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Thread: Odd Message On My Camera |
   
Platinum Member Username: Nyyfan13
Northern VA
Post Number: 11080 Registered: Jul-06
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| Posted on Friday, February 06, 2009 - 01:03 am: |
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It says...... Happy birthday Charlie. Even if you do like Boston lol. |
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Platinum Member Username: Insearchofbass
Post Number: 11282 Registered: Jun-04
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| Posted on Saturday, February 07, 2009 - 02:05 pm: |
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Already wished you a happy birthday but happy birthday again Charlie. |
   
Gold Member Username: Redliner
Wilmington,
Ma
Post Number: 4923 Registered: Jun-05
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| Posted on Saturday, February 07, 2009 - 11:12 pm: |
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lol thanx johnnie boy and sean. oh sean btw i got ur check today thank u sir. and yanks arod=steroids lol i knew he was to good to b true lol |
   
Platinum Member Username: Wingmanalive
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Post Number: 19786 Registered: Jun-06
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| Posted on Sunday, February 08, 2009 - 12:23 am: |
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Happy B-day bud! I probably should know this but how old? |
   
Gold Member Username: Redliner
Wilmington,
Ma
Post Number: 4924 Registered: Jun-05
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| Posted on Sunday, February 08, 2009 - 01:09 am: |
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22 lol ya i don think u should have known i dont think it was a known fact lol. but whats up paul havent seen much of u around lately ive missed the fatherly advice i enjoy it |
   
Platinum Member Username: Wingmanalive
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Post Number: 19790 Registered: Jun-06
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| Posted on Sunday, February 08, 2009 - 01:43 am: |
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22. Good year in life. I hope you take that girl of yours to great places in life man. She's a beauty. Been busy with my business and all. |
   
Platinum Member Username: Insearchofbass
Post Number: 11286 Registered: Jun-04
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| Posted on Sunday, February 08, 2009 - 10:55 am: |
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Im glad to hear you got the check Charlie. |
   
Platinum Member Username: Nyyfan13
Northern VA
Post Number: 11082 Registered: Jul-06
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| Posted on Sunday, February 08, 2009 - 09:33 pm: |
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Fukking A Charlie lol. I gotta admit, I'm not surprised in the least but I am glad it didn't happen when he was in pinstripes. But I mean lets be serious, he used them in 2003 and not since and his numbers are still absolutely Godly so what good did they do? I dunno though. Sucks to say the least. |
   
Gold Member Username: Redliner
Wilmington,
Ma
Post Number: 4925 Registered: Jun-05
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| Posted on Sunday, February 08, 2009 - 11:15 pm: |
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lol but u know wat to be honest they have it on 103 other players in the league. I mean i guarantee every team had guys on them so what can u do. but i bet also that most of them including him continued to use them after that. ps if they disclose info on roger clemens since they said this info would stay private he could go to jaileo lol |
   
Platinum Member Username: Rovin
1 15 = 149.5 DBs ... Trinidad & T...
Post Number: 14721 Registered: Jul-05
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| Posted on Monday, February 09, 2009 - 11:15 am: |
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oh i didnt see this b4 but happy belated birthday charlie ... |
   
Gold Member Username: Redliner
Wilmington,
Ma
Post Number: 4926 Registered: Jun-05
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| Posted on Monday, February 09, 2009 - 11:38 am: |
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thanx rovin hows it going man i dont c u around to much u need to get aim again lol |
   
Platinum Member Username: Rovin
1 15 = 149.5 DBs ... Trinidad & T...
Post Number: 14725 Registered: Jul-05
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| Posted on Monday, February 09, 2009 - 07:31 pm: |
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im always around but u know d net gets boring sometimes havent been on aim since when we all used to be there which is like 2yrs ago - bored of that too im spending alot time on my ol ps2 playing monopoly lol hey guys it seems like tough times for chad ??? http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/4/550076.html somebody shud jump on that deal & help him out too if he really needs it .... |
   
Platinum Member Username: Wingmanalive
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Post Number: 19806 Registered: Jun-06
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| Posted on Monday, February 09, 2009 - 11:03 pm: |
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It's tough times for about everyone. My knife business was doing good before the holidays of last year. Seems ppl are tightening their wallets and not spending all over. Mind you I turned off the heat in my house when I can and stopped recycling my cans, taking them to the center myself to get the $$ my cans are worth. Up to $.75/lb for scrap aluminum. I shop at thrift stores for food, go home for lunch, and try and sell knives on the side for extra $$. It truly IS tough all over. My sister and brother in law had to drop the price of their house by $30,000 in order to sell it, so they can move to where he now works. $30,000. That's a LOT of $$$ to lose because of the recession. They are happy to have a buyer but I personally wouldn't be doing handstands. |
   
Gold Member Username: Redliner
Wilmington,
Ma
Post Number: 4930 Registered: Jun-05
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| Posted on Tuesday, February 10, 2009 - 12:02 pm: |
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ya it sux if u want to buy a house like me its a good time but it still hasent seen the bottom. It will be another 1-2 yrs till this gets turned around and gas will be goign back up by the summer. Sh*ts gonna hit the fan during the summer jobs will be way down because nobody will be going on vacations like before. Also the commercial/industrial market in real estate hasent takena biug blow like the housing market, but it will see it and thats going to be when it is the worst. Which will most likely b the summer so dont think things will be getting better. |
   
Platinum Member Username: Basshead86
FTW
Post Number: 10364 Registered: Aug-05
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| Posted on Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 02:22 am: |
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happy B-day Charlie!!!!1 even though i am late saying it.  |
   
Gold Member Username: Redliner
Wilmington,
Ma
Post Number: 4934 Registered: Jun-05
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| Posted on Wednesday, February 11, 2009 - 10:02 am: |
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thats cool muddy thanx bud |
   
Diamond Member Username: Bestmankind
Post Number: 23227 Registered: Oct-05
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| Posted on Thursday, February 12, 2009 - 10:31 pm: |
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happy birthday charlie. wassup everyone.
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Gold Member Username: Redliner
Wilmington,
Ma
Post Number: 4950 Registered: Jun-05
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| Posted on Thursday, February 12, 2009 - 10:37 pm: |
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lol thanx chad u r the man or everything |
   
Platinum Member Username: Wingmanalive
A pic is worth
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Post Number: 19824 Registered: Jun-06
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| Posted on Thursday, February 12, 2009 - 11:03 pm: |
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Puzzy doing push ups lol. |
   
Gold Member Username: Big_edge_head
Milwaukee,
WI
Post Number: 3450 Registered: Mar-07
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| Posted on Friday, February 13, 2009 - 01:23 am: |
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lol. whats up everyone? |
   
Gold Member Username: Snowball123
West Allis,
WI
Post Number: 2189 Registered: Oct-07
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| Posted on Friday, February 13, 2009 - 04:40 pm: |
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bi*chin. wassup |
   
Platinum Member Username: Basshead86
FTW
Post Number: 10368 Registered: Aug-05
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| Posted on Sunday, February 15, 2009 - 02:38 am: |
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i got my tv today                                                                                                                       |
   
Gold Member Username: Bernymac
Phnom Penh Cambodia
Post Number: 4595 Registered: Sep-04
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| Posted on Sunday, February 15, 2009 - 09:14 pm: |
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Sup guys. I got my 99 integra gsr sedan today ftw! It needs a little fixing but it won't take long to fix unlike the civic.
Has 83k miles and I got it for $2500. Imma put the jdm front end on it. |
   
Platinum Member Username: Wingmanalive
A pic is worth
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Post Number: 19830 Registered: Jun-06
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| Posted on Sunday, February 15, 2009 - 09:26 pm: |
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To me it looks like more than a little work lol. Good price as long as the frame is intact. |
   
Gold Member Username: Bernymac
Phnom Penh Cambodia
Post Number: 4596 Registered: Sep-04
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| Posted on Sunday, February 15, 2009 - 09:29 pm: |
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A jdm front end $800 which includes radiator support, bumper support, fenders, hood, front bumper etc with lights. And then we just have to straighten some parts out and it'll fit like a charm. Then paint it. My brother knows how to use the frame machine and does a little bit of body work. So I estimate a good $1300-1500 and it'll be fixed and painted. |
   
Gold Member Username: Redliner
Wilmington,
Ma
Post Number: 4960 Registered: Jun-05
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| Posted on Monday, February 16, 2009 - 10:59 pm: |
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very nice berny when i was younger i always wanted a integra but instead i went for a eclipse lol which was my other favorite |
   
Gold Member Username: Snowball123
West Allis,
WI
Post Number: 2213 Registered: Oct-07
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| Posted on Tuesday, February 17, 2009 - 01:18 pm: |
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what TV Muddy. |
   
Gold Member Username: Snowball123
West Allis,
WI
Post Number: 2214 Registered: Oct-07
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| Posted on Tuesday, February 17, 2009 - 01:18 pm: |
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oh so guys, I got banned from CA. |
   
Platinum Member Username: Wingmanalive
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Post Number: 19845 Registered: Jun-06
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| Posted on Tuesday, February 17, 2009 - 06:35 pm: |
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Selling Asian midget p0rn again? |
   
Platinum Member Username: Basshead86
FTW
Post Number: 10373 Registered: Aug-05
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| Posted on Wednesday, February 18, 2009 - 12:29 am: |
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i bought a 46" Samsung 650 series. ABSOLUTELY AMAZING PICTURE. i love it!!!! i also went out and bought a Sony HT-CT100 HT system. never had a HT system, and it was exactly what i was looking for in one as well. i am going to be watching a LOT more Blu-Ray movies for sure now.   |
   
Platinum Member Username: Rovin
1 15 = 149.5 DBs ... Trinidad & T...
Post Number: 14744 Registered: Jul-05
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| Posted on Wednesday, February 18, 2009 - 10:45 am: |
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^^^there goes ur car audio $$$ ... |
   
Platinum Member Username: Wingmanalive
A pic is worth
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Post Number: 19851 Registered: Jun-06
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| Posted on Wednesday, February 18, 2009 - 12:46 pm: |
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I have a blu ray player in my PS3 but don't have the expensive cable for it to connect to my HDTV.
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Gold Member Username: Snowball123
West Allis,
WI
Post Number: 2234 Registered: Oct-07
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| Posted on Wednesday, February 18, 2009 - 03:17 pm: |
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weak, just buy it. |
   
Platinum Member Username: Wingmanalive
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Post Number: 19853 Registered: Jun-06
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| Posted on Wednesday, February 18, 2009 - 05:59 pm: |
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Gimmee $60 and I will. |
   
Gold Member Username: Snowball123
West Allis,
WI
Post Number: 2250 Registered: Oct-07
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| Posted on Thursday, February 19, 2009 - 02:12 pm: |
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paypal addy? |
   
Platinum Member Username: Basshead86
FTW,
FL
Post Number: 10379 Registered: Aug-05
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| Posted on Thursday, February 19, 2009 - 11:37 pm: |
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DONT SPEND MORE THAN $10 ON AN HDMI CABLE OR I WILL KILL YOU. www.monoprice.com they should have every kind of cable you will ever need and for WAY cheaper than you can find them ANYWHERE and they are of the same/if not BETTER quality than the Monster Cable overpriced BOSE wannabe's in the store. CNet uses them in their Lab when conducting tests for reviews of all new Tv's and has for a while and havent had any problems. They even wrote a review condemning Monster cable and how overpriced they are and RECOMMENDED monoprice and other websites like them to buy all your cables and stuff. because knowing is half the battle...G.I JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOE!!! |
   
Platinum Member Username: Wingmanalive
A pic is worth
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Post Number: 19880 Registered: Jun-06
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| Posted on Friday, February 20, 2009 - 12:48 pm: |
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4 years I've had my HDTV. 4 years I didn't want to shell out the extra $10/month for the HD receiver for my satellite. 4 years
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Gold Member Username: Redliner
Wilmington,
Ma
Post Number: 4968 Registered: Jun-05
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| Posted on Saturday, February 21, 2009 - 04:22 am: |
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oh paulie hd is so worth 10 bucks i only wish we had it at my house. I have it on my pc but thats about it |
   
Platinum Member Username: Basshead86
FTW,
FL
Post Number: 10385 Registered: Aug-05
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| Posted on Sunday, February 22, 2009 - 01:18 am: |
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i have HD on my Blu Ray player and my 360...dont watch much tv at all. and if i do, its just regular cable. doesnt look too bad on my newer tv.  |
   
Gold Member Username: Big_edge_head
Milwaukee,
WI
Post Number: 3491 Registered: Mar-07
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| Posted on Sunday, February 22, 2009 - 05:16 pm: |
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What's up guys? I got bord today so I went in paint and made this for fun lol. Now I just have to wait for a time to use it in a post. I'm thinking I could draw up some other ones too. Like for multiple amp setups and whatnot.... Ugghh the things I do to avoid homework lol.
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Platinum Member Username: Wingmanalive
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Post Number: 19892 Registered: Jun-06
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| Posted on Sunday, February 22, 2009 - 05:31 pm: |
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Homework first dude. Man I wish this place would allow sigs. I need more exposure for my knife store. it's tough to do it without Google. Just imagine having 20,000 additional internet tags floating out there lol. Capps WAS interested in some knives but he just dropped interest like a hot potato. Dunno. Hey what's up with Dustin lately? He seems to show up every couple of months, make a few more enemies, then leaves. He's a smart kid but I don't know what his intentions are though. **Sig insertion** www.stainlesssteals.ecrater.com Your source for affordable tactical, hunting, pocket, bowie knives and more. |
   
Platinum Member Username: Basshead86
FTW,
FL
Post Number: 10388 Registered: Aug-05
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| Posted on Sunday, February 22, 2009 - 05:42 pm: |
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put your website where your location is... instead of A pic is worth 1000 posts have it say StainlessSteals.ecrater.com |
   
Gold Member Username: Big_edge_head
Milwaukee,
WI
Post Number: 3492 Registered: Mar-07
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| Posted on Sunday, February 22, 2009 - 05:51 pm: |
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Who is that Dustin kid? Did he used to have a different name on here? Or did he just show up, post a few times, and now everyone hates him? lol |
   
Gold Member Username: Big_edge_head
Milwaukee,
WI
Post Number: 3493 Registered: Mar-07
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| Posted on Sunday, February 22, 2009 - 05:52 pm: |
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x2 Muddy. Good idea. |
   
Platinum Member Username: Wingmanalive
Www.stainles...
Post Number: 19893 Registered: Jun-06
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| Posted on Sunday, February 22, 2009 - 06:04 pm: |
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It's too long. Dustin has been a member for quite some time. He forgot his login info and had to start a new name. He's one of the old school guys. |
   
Platinum Member Username: Wingmanalive
Www.stainles...
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Post Number: 19894 Registered: Jun-06
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| Posted on Sunday, February 22, 2009 - 06:05 pm: |
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Still trying....... |
   
Platinum Member Username: Basshead86
Steady as she goes...
Post Number: 10390 Registered: Aug-05
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| Posted on Sunday, February 22, 2009 - 11:35 pm: |
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your username!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you can make that as long as you want. rob's is always something goofy, but it is also very long. |
   
Gold Member Username: Snowball123
West Allis,
WI
Post Number: 2299 Registered: Oct-07
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| Posted on Monday, February 23, 2009 - 11:13 am: |
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whats up dudes. |
   
Platinum Member Username: Nyyfan13
Northern VA
Post Number: 11117 Registered: Jul-06
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| Posted on Monday, February 23, 2009 - 12:44 pm: |
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Like this Paul  |
   
Platinum Member Username: Nyyfan13
Northern VA
Post Number: 11118 Registered: Jul-06
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| Posted on Monday, February 23, 2009 - 12:45 pm: |
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Well damn, if that isn't the epitome of fail I don't know what is  |
   
Platinum Member Username: Wingmanalive
Www.stainles...
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Post Number: 19901 Registered: Jun-06
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| Posted on Monday, February 23, 2009 - 12:56 pm: |
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Thanks for trying Yanks. 99 to go. |
   
Gold Member Username: Redliner
Wilmington,
Ma
Post Number: 4971 Registered: Jun-05
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| Posted on Tuesday, February 24, 2009 - 01:08 pm: |
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lol almost there paul keep pumping away |
   
Platinum Member Username: Wingmanalive
Www.stainles...
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Post Number: 19909 Registered: Jun-06
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| Posted on Tuesday, February 24, 2009 - 06:11 pm: |
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I have to look around and see what I can give away. |
   
Gold Member Username: Snowball123
West Allis,
WI
Post Number: 2344 Registered: Oct-07
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| Posted on Wednesday, February 25, 2009 - 11:24 am: |
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man, is E pissing you guys off? that thieve's kid is a major douche. |
   
Platinum Member Username: Rovin
1 15 = 149.5 DBs ... Trinidad & T...
Post Number: 14749 Registered: Jul-05
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| Posted on Wednesday, February 25, 2009 - 05:35 pm: |
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sup kidz ! man my fackin dial up is down since last thur but after a long story & some waiting , about an hr ago i finally jus got for d 1st time a 2mb connection so im out of d stone age now .... time to really discover d net by looking at some videos & pics of car audio stuff i couldnt see b4 ......
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Platinum Member Username: Wingmanalive
Www.stainles...
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Post Number: 19912 Registered: Jun-06
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| Posted on Wednesday, February 25, 2009 - 06:01 pm: |
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"time to really discover d net by looking at some videos & pics of car audio stuff i couldnt see b4" Ahhhmmmm..........P0rn |
   
Gold Member Username: Redliner
Wilmington,
Ma
Post Number: 4976 Registered: Jun-05
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| Posted on Thursday, February 26, 2009 - 02:05 pm: |
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lol paul. and yanks do u now who is pretty annoying is that kid mike williams |
   
Platinum Member Username: Nyyfan13
Northern VA
Post Number: 11144 Registered: Jul-06
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| Posted on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 12:34 am: |
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You're telling me Charlie lol. There are a couple guys on here that are bugging the hell out of me. I just hate people that speak with no experience which Mike appears to be doing. |
   
Platinum Member Username: Wingmanalive
Www.stainles...
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Post Number: 19930 Registered: Jun-06
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| Posted on Friday, February 27, 2009 - 01:00 pm: |
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Take it with a grain of salt. Members come and go, even the good ones. I've let sh1t bother me in the past that means absolutely nothing to me now. That's the ugly face of the net. it's so easy to be a d1ck, and some are even respected for it. This place has changed quite a bit in only the three years I've been here. That's life, but....... OT threads will always be posted in the sub section, the admin will continue to bombard us with ads and gimmicks while ignoring our pleas, members you grow to like move on and are replaced with some you don't, ect, ect...... At least we can rely on some things. |
   
Platinum Member Username: Basshead86
Steady as she goes...
Post Number: 10399 Registered: Aug-05
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| Posted on Saturday, February 28, 2009 - 12:44 am: |
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like me putting one of theze muthafukas at the end of every post |
   
Platinum Member Username: Wingmanalive
Www.stainles...
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Post Number: 19938 Registered: Jun-06
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| Posted on Saturday, February 28, 2009 - 12:09 pm: |
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Yup. |
   
Platinum Member Username: Wingmanalive
Www.stainles...
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Post Number: 19954 Registered: Jun-06
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| Posted on Sunday, March 01, 2009 - 08:25 pm: |
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Getting snow tonight. Possible 12". Might be working from home tomorrow.
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Platinum Member Username: Nyyfan13
Northern VA
Post Number: 11158 Registered: Jul-06
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| Posted on Sunday, March 01, 2009 - 11:59 pm: |
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Couple inches on the ground and coming down heavier. |
   
Platinum Member Username: Wingmanalive
Www.stainles...
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Post Number: 19971 Registered: Jun-06
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| Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 12:02 pm: |
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Yeah I'm home, just not working lol. It's about to stop snowing so I'll be shoveling soon. |
   
Gold Member Username: Redliner
Wilmington,
Ma
Post Number: 4982 Registered: Jun-05
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| Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 04:37 pm: |
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ya we got over a ft up here. still have about 3 -4 more inches. sucked snowblower wouldnt start 2 hrs later lol im tired but driveways done even though we have more coming |
   
Diamond Member Username: Bestmankind
Post Number: 23278 Registered: Oct-05
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| Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 06:38 pm: |
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man all that snow. seems like fun. i wish it snowed here like that. |
   
Platinum Member Username: Wingmanalive
Www.stainles...
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Post Number: 19980 Registered: Jun-06
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| Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 07:24 pm: |
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And I wish it was 70+ all year long. Wanna switch? |
   
Diamond Member Username: Bestmankind
Post Number: 23279 Registered: Oct-05
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| Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 07:53 pm: |
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its dropping down to 62 the next few days with some scattered showers paul. its no picnic here. |
   
Platinum Member Username: Wingmanalive
Www.stainles...
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Post Number: 19982 Registered: Jun-06
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| Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 08:01 pm: |
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Hang in there bud. Brighter days are coming. BTW, do you even own a coat? |
   
Diamond Member Username: Bestmankind
Post Number: 23282 Registered: Oct-05
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| Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 08:11 pm: |
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what is a coat? i am in shorts most of the time paul. only time i wear pants is if its a special occassion. |
   
Platinum Member Username: Wingmanalive
Www.stainles...
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Post Number: 19983 Registered: Jun-06
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| Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 08:26 pm: |
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A coat is an apparel device used by homosapiens in the aid of retaining body heat. Made of various materials and fabrics usually bound together with either a zipper or button fastening device in the frontal region. If further clarification is needed see Yanks. I believe he received one this last Xmas and can aid you further in your quest for knowledge. |
   
Diamond Member Username: Bestmankind
Post Number: 23285 Registered: Oct-05
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| Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 08:31 pm: |
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lol smartazz. hahahahaha i see you are creeping up on me paul. almost a diamond member. nice. it will be an honor to share the diamond member status with you. |
   
Platinum Member Username: Wingmanalive
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Post Number: 19984 Registered: Jun-06
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| Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 08:38 pm: |
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Maybe tonight. Maybe not. Depends on how it goes. Maybe I'll leave it hanging at 19999................. Always a pleasure Mr. Lee, and gang. |
   
Diamond Member Username: Bestmankind
Post Number: 23286 Registered: Oct-05
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| Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 08:41 pm: |
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i remember my 20,001 post. damn that thread filled up real fast. bunch of vultures looking for free stuff. hahahaha |
   
Platinum Member Username: Wingmanalive
Www.stainles...
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Post Number: 19985 Registered: Jun-06
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| Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 08:46 pm: |
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Yeah I was thinking about that lol. Decided not to go down that path. I mean it's your accomplishment right? Why reward someone else? Free ALWAYS has many followers. Maybe a knife or two lol? |
   
Diamond Member Username: Bestmankind
Post Number: 23288 Registered: Oct-05
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| Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 08:56 pm: |
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that reminds me. i was looking through your knife site and i must say it is nice. look for me to buy some knives from you in the future. |
   
Platinum Member Username: Wingmanalive
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Post Number: 19987 Registered: Jun-06
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| Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 09:15 pm: |
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Sure thing man. I have a huge assortment of "affordable" knives and you get what you pay for but I want to see an echelon knife go to an echelon person. Sell one to you at cost too. You'll still be amazed at the value. Take a peek in my premium area on my site. Those are my best knives. Good stuff. www.stainlesssteals.ecrater.com |
   
Platinum Member Username: Nyyfan13
Northern VA
Post Number: 11165 Registered: Jul-06
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| Posted on Monday, March 02, 2009 - 07:11 pm: |
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Yea, you could say I own a nice little jacket Freaking love the jacket Pauly |
   
Platinum Member Username: Basshead86
Steady as she goes...
Post Number: 10401 Registered: Aug-05
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| Posted on Tuesday, March 03, 2009 - 11:27 am: |
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i live in Florida and i own 2 coats 4 pullover hoodies and 3 zip-up hoodies. so fug yall!  |
   
Platinum Member Username: Rovin
1 15 = 149.5 DBs ... Trinidad & T...
Post Number: 14753 Registered: Jul-05
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| Posted on Tuesday, March 03, 2009 - 11:36 am: |
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time 4 a new thread ... |