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Thread: Mini DV PAL vs. NTSC |
    
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| Posted on Monday, October 04, 2004 - 04:41 pm: |
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I'm thinking of purchasing a multi-region DVD player/recorder - would I be able to record my camcorder miniDV images (NTSC) directly on to a DVD disc through this unit (i-link etc.)?
I'm assuming that I'll be able to view the recorded images on the DVD disc when played through the multi region DVD player?
Or is this far too simplistic?
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Jazzypap |
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| Posted on Tuesday, October 19, 2004 - 08:38 pm: |
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hey guys when i record on my jvc mini dv tape is it possible to erase or delete the video which i have recorded on the tape.plz help me out wid this guys.thanx |
comp_download Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Tuesday, November 02, 2004 - 04:26 pm: |
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Question downloading video file to a computer
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I understand its possible to connect the camcorder to your computer and download the video file..however I am not sure what is the way to do so. Any thoughts on downloading a video file by connection to a computer and burning a CD with a MPEG file would be much appreciated say the camcorder records on a Mini DV tape. |
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| Posted on Sunday, November 28, 2004 - 08:48 pm: |
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Hello , i am going to get a mini dv cam for xmas but my pc doesnt have one of those firewire ports and im not sure i will be ablt to go and get one of those cards installed without my parents knowing is there any other way for me to get videos trasfered. And also i want to get pinnacle studios 9 to edit and can u use that edit program for any camera |
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| Posted on Monday, November 29, 2004 - 05:16 pm: |
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Hi i have the same dilemma as SteveGannon.
i know little about camcorders and rely on info from numerous helpful sites such as this.
I live in New Zealand (pal tv )and am considering buying a panasonic gs 200 or gs400.
If i buy the ntsc model from USA i can save approx.nz$1000 on either model.If i buy in nz (pal model) i am stretching the budget at a gs120 (retails here for about $1800)but i wont have any problems if i need to use the warranty. Some say pal is better.Some say any difference between pal and ntsc is negligible.
Do i buy a cheaper pal camera locally (even 1ccd) and end up with similar picture quality to higher end ntsc
camera?
Do i import ntsc for same price but with better features and hope that i'll find that i really can't see a noticeable difference in picture quality?
can anyone using an ntsc camcorder in a pal country who has been able to compare the two please let me know.can you see a difference?
Thanks |
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| Posted on Tuesday, November 30, 2004 - 12:45 pm: |
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| Posted on Tuesday, November 30, 2004 - 12:56 pm: |
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| Posted on Sunday, December 12, 2004 - 04:48 pm: |
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Hi
I have a question regarding digital tvs and miniDV camcorders. Am i correct in understanding that digital tvs are NTSC/PAL independent, thus will be able to play any video signal inputted to them without any video quality loss?
Your feedback would be most grateful.
ps. has anyone tried this? |
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| Posted on Sunday, December 12, 2004 - 10:56 pm: |
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I need to buy a audio and video editing machine(NTSC) also need a camera to make some movies.
Please help me to find out for low price. |
Hamilton Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Monday, December 13, 2004 - 12:06 pm: |
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Can I transfer some material, recorded in NTSC format, into my computer and change it in PAL format, using Fireware and Adobe Premiere Pro without image quality loss? Thanks? |
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| Posted on Saturday, December 18, 2004 - 11:33 pm: |
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I am planning to buy Canon ZR85, which only has NTSC format. Will this work with my TV in India ? I have read on this site that latest TVs can play both NTSC & PAL, but has anybody got the real time experience of this ? |
Dennis Horton Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Sunday, December 19, 2004 - 03:54 pm: |
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OK I've read, and learned a lot from, this thread, however....
1. I live in the US
2. I have an NTSC VCR, and some PAL VHS tapes from the UK.
3. I want to get the content of the PAL tapes on to my hard drive, and then convert them to ANY viewable format.
I can capture the tapes as .avi files using Pinnacle Studio 7, but I can't find the magic software to convert those files to where I can view them. I've tried TMPGEnc, DVDSanta, and of course Studio 7.
Can somebody please help, even if it's just to tell me I'm wasting my time?
TIA
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| Posted on Wednesday, December 22, 2004 - 01:23 am: |
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Hi ,
IN LAYMAN WORDS I WOULD SAY, AS ALL POWER PACKS RANGE (110V-240V)...!!! DON'T YOU THINK CAMERAS SHOULD ALSO RANGE (PAL-NTSC-SECAM)...AND VICE VERSA.
WELL I HAVE A PROBLEM TRANSFERING PAL VHS STUFF TO DV NTSC. MY CAMERA TAKES ANALOG INPUT BUT THE COLOUR SKIPS..
ANYBODY WORKING ON OLD VHS STUFF.
THANKS GUYS. |
tomsk1111 Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Thursday, December 23, 2004 - 02:18 pm: |
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I have a simple question that has not yet been asked or answered.
I have a Sony HC18E miniDV that records onto PAL. We need to send tapes to family in Argentina where the standard is PAL-N.
Apparently this is incompatible with the European version.
Options I see are:
a) By them a European compatible video or DVD player just for watching these videos (might be cheaper than converting everything)
b) Convert everything to PAL-N. If easy please let me know as all above threads talk only about PAL-NTSC.
c) Something else.
Grateful for any advice.
thanks |
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| Posted on Sunday, January 23, 2005 - 07:44 pm: |
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Hi everybody,
Have you ever heard about Digital converter box (not software) that able to convert PAL to NTSC Vice-versa with DV i-link/in-out? (on the fly)
I think this is going to be the device that every digital camcorder's owner should have for rendering the NTSC/PAL problems.
Converting/transcoding through PC is a headache! |
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| Posted on Sunday, January 30, 2005 - 03:37 am: |
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Here's a tip. If you have a question (like i did), read the previous posts before you ask your question as chances are it has already been answered (like mine was) and you can save everyone's valuable time!!! |
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| Posted on Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 02:22 pm: |
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hi,
ok, i'm a little confused. my boyfriend is going back home to Morocco for a visit and would to buy a Minidv. we were told to buy one of the models w/ an E at the end of the model #. first question..is that correct? second, he would like to video footage here and then play it there on the TV, will that work? and does he need to buy special tapes for the camera? AND do you know what is a good model?
thank you,
confused girlfriend |
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| Posted on Saturday, March 05, 2005 - 02:57 pm: |
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I live in both UK and USA, I'm English.
You can only play an NTSC recorded tape in a USA Video machine and PAL recorded tape in a Euro machine. The way to get around all of this is to buy a MiniDVD Disc Camcorder. This will record onto disc and is playable in any suitable dvd player or computer with a dvd player.
You can run a recording from a pal player into a computer and edit and save the movie as a pal or ntsc format, depending on your software. I believe Premier will do this... but the bottom line is playing either countries tape in the opposing machine is not going to work. |
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| Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2005 - 03:51 am: |
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I asked the question whether miniDV camcorder Cannon ZR85 will work with PAL TVs in India, I finally bought & using it in India & not finding any problem.(though ZR85 only has NTSC)It is working perfectly.
Most of the TVs in India can play both PAL & NTSC. |
Mark Doherty Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Sunday, March 13, 2005 - 12:25 am: |
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Wow 3.5 years of debate and still I'm not 100%sure what fomat to buy, but based on cost I think I'll go with the NTSC(I live in PAL land). Incidentally whats the replacement for the PV GS120 and is it as better?, Mark |
Bronze Member Username: Gromit
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| Posted on Thursday, March 17, 2005 - 05:17 pm: |
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Mark, although I am firm believer in PAL, that is not affecting my answer here.
Generally speaking, I would advise anybody to choose the video system which is applicable to their country of residence. Even if you (like me) are lucky enough to have dual standard TV/video systems, there will probably be times when you want to share DVDs with friends and family locally. If you are using the "wrong" standard, this will just lead to heartbreak.
Of course, if you have friends/family overseas where the video standard is different (and you do want to send them DVDs), then it can make sense to buy equipment following the video standard of your target destination.
Hope that helps |
Angelos-Greece Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Saturday, March 19, 2005 - 05:19 pm: |
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The real question can be express as that simple:
"I live in PAL country but i found in an internet site a NTSC camera in a very good price,
should i buy it?????????????"
And the real answer is....
BUY IT.
-> explanation
As i have seen PAL camera editions come later than NTSC editions. (see SONY HC90 (ntsc) and HC90E (PAL) the "E" is for pal editions).
Using Adobe Premiere and not pinnacle studios (pinnacle has the worst software-based-architectures) you will have NO problem capturing or burning as it supports BOTH standards.
Nowadays tvs supports BOTH standards so there is no problem to see DIRECTLY through the s-video output of your camera.
Furthermore, concerning the quality, the differences are not viewable.
The only problem is how to see a DVtape written in ntsc on a PAL camera or vice versa. This cannot be done unfortunately.(*only in "dual" cameras)
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| Posted on Monday, April 11, 2005 - 01:06 pm: |
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Recently I bought Sony handycam DCR-HC21 from Best bBuy in NY(US). now i came to know it suppots only NTSC. So is it possible to see my reacorded videos in India where connection is PAL? |
Bronze Member Username: Gromit
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| Posted on Monday, April 11, 2005 - 07:08 pm: |
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Sujata,
Your choices are:
1) Convert the NTSC file on your PC using Adobe, TMPGEnc, or other similar software, then burn a DVD in PAL (conversion will take quite a long time and the quality will degrade somewhat)
2) View your NTSC DVD on a dual-standard TV (they do exist as mentioned just above, and work very well)
3) View your NTSC DVD on your PAL TV through a dual standard CONVERTING video recorder (there is an Aiwa model, don't recall the number. It works quite well though)
4) Buy a magnifying glass and watch it on the camcorder display ;-)
I think that just about covers the option.
Cheers |
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| Posted on Friday, April 15, 2005 - 02:55 pm: |
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Now years down the line, I am looking for some advice!
I am going to america where I can get a Sony DCR-HC42 (NTSC) for a lot lot cheaper than the DCR-HC42E (PAL).
I live in the UK so I use PAL.
Is it possible to edit the NTSC movie on my PC and then create a PAL DVD and still maintain High Video Quality?
Also, what software would you recommend?
Thanks in advance
Jazzy |
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| Posted on Friday, April 15, 2005 - 02:55 pm: |
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Now years down the line, I am looking for some advice!
I am going to america where I can get a Sony DCR-HC42 (NTSC) for a lot lot cheaper than the DCR-HC42E (PAL).
I live in the UK so I use PAL.
Is it possible to edit the NTSC movie on my PC and then create a PAL DVD and still maintain High Video Quality?
Also, what software would you recommend?
Thanks in advance
Jazzy |
Bronze Member Username: Gromit
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| Posted on Friday, April 15, 2005 - 08:40 pm: |
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Jazzy,
Check out my April 11th response and post again if that doesn't answer your question
Cheers. |
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| Posted on Saturday, April 16, 2005 - 08:44 am: |
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Thanks for your response but I was looking for some help with editing NTSC video and then burning a PAL movie.
Is this possible?
Also, what software do you recommend?
Thanks |
Bronze Member Username: Gromit
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Registered: Mar-05
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| Posted on Sunday, April 17, 2005 - 01:06 am: |
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Jazzy, any of the video editing packages you are likely to come across should be pretty much ambidextrous when it comes PAL v NTSC. So do all your clip editing in native NTSC format. Then, use TMPGEnc or Adobe to convert the "finished" clips into PAL (taking into account the quality caveat). Then build a PAL DVD using these converted clips.
Does that make sense?
Cheers. |
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| Posted on Sunday, April 17, 2005 - 10:41 am: |
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Thanks for your reply Gromit.
So you are saying it is best to record in NTSC as the camera's are cheaper and then convert to PAL?
Thanks |
Bronze Member Username: Gromit
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| Posted on Sunday, April 17, 2005 - 09:18 pm: |
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Jazzy,
I never actually said that! My suggestion is how to deal with a situation where you do have mis-matching camcorder and TV/video system. But if you aren't already in that situation, I don't think the game is worth the candle. The conversion step is quite tedious and the result is less than perfect. Any improvement in quality you could leverage by cheaper cameras in the USA would almost certainly be wiped out by the degradation caused by conversion.
If you are travelling, check out the duty-free areas overseas. They are targeted towards international travellers and always have both formats (PAL and NTSC) available - at least, in Asia where I live....
The other solution of course is to get a dual-standard TV, which is even more expensive and doesn't solve the problem of sharing video with friends...
Good luck! |
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| Posted on Monday, April 18, 2005 - 12:43 am: |
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:-) |
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| Posted on Tuesday, April 19, 2005 - 07:14 pm: |
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Does the PAL vs NTSC issue matter if you convert your video to AVI, MPEG or VCD formats on your PC?
I have also seen some resolutions and fame rates being listed for PAL and NTSC systems which indicates the amount of data on a mini DV is fixed. So where does the CCD resolution come into play? How do you get better resolution videos.
I plan to buy and NTSC camcorder from the US and I live in UK. I checked and most DVD and VCR players here are listed to have PAL and NTSC support. I think the issue is using (trying to) PAL in US or Japan. |
Bronze Member Username: Gromit
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| Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 05:46 am: |
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Ogun,
So long as you remain inside your PC, both PAL and NTSC should both work. When you try to play back on a TV, PAL/NTSC matters...
You are correct in stating that all DV camcorders (within PAL or NTSC respectively) have the same resolution - unless one goes for a very high-end semi-professional Hi-Def model of course. A larger CCD can be thought of as the equivalent of a larger lens. With a bit more space available for capturing light, the accuracy tends to be better.
You are also correct that most videos and DVD players support both NTSC and PAL. However, only a few will CONVERT, meaning that if your TV is a different standard to your video camera, you still have a problem.
Hope that helps. |
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| Posted on Wednesday, April 27, 2005 - 10:14 am: |
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Is there any free software to burn the Mini DV footage to a DVD |
Bronze Member Username: Gromit
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| Posted on Wednesday, April 27, 2005 - 07:07 pm: |
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skd, don't think so - let us know if you find something good!
Cheers. |
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| Posted on Friday, April 29, 2005 - 01:01 am: |
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I'm looking at a canon xl2 and I'm just learning about PAL and ntsc. Which might be a better way to go. Plan on remaining in the states. |
Bronze Member Username: Gromit
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| Posted on Friday, April 29, 2005 - 02:54 am: |
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Kenny, generally speaking, I would advise anybody to choose the video system which is applicable to their country of residence - NTSC in your case. Even if you (like me) are lucky enough to have dual standard TV/video systems, there will probably be times when you want to share DVDs with friends and family locally. If you are using the "wrong" standard, this will just lead to heartbreak.
Of course, if you have friends/family overseas where the video standard is different (and they are your prime target for sending DVDs), then it can make sense to buy equipment following the video standard of your target destination.
Hope that helps. |
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| Posted on Tuesday, May 03, 2005 - 02:42 pm: |
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i recently filmed some footage for a project, using one ntsc camera and one pal camera (not realising the difference in format...). i've been able to import into imovie separately, but want to put the footage from the two cameras together, which imovie is not allowing me to do since they are of 'different video standards'. can anyone tell me a cheap and easy way to make them compatible with each other? preferably ending up with a PAL product... |
Bronze Member Username: Gromit
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| Posted on Tuesday, May 03, 2005 - 07:19 pm: |
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Viccy, you can convert .avi files from PAL-NTSC and vice versa on your PC using Ulead VideoStudio (I tried just now with VideoStudio 6 SE, it seems to work OK). On the "finish" tab, click "Create Video File" and choose DV plus the video standard you want.
Don't forget, this will reduce the quality a bit.
Cheers. |
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| Posted on Tuesday, May 03, 2005 - 09:08 pm: |
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cheers Gromit- unfortunately i'm using a mac (OS X 10.3.9) and it doesn't seem to be compatible... |
daveyret Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Wednesday, May 04, 2005 - 10:09 am: |
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my nose sticks out too far |
david hibbert Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Wednesday, May 04, 2005 - 10:11 am: |
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where are the nuts? |
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| Posted on Wednesday, May 04, 2005 - 08:30 pm: |
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hi all,here we go again!!
o.k. I just get a jvc grd72( ntsc ) for half the price of a pal model!! I live in the uk, should i get rid or keep this item?
I do p.i. work and i give the finished items to clients!
I do have adobe premier 6.5 , can i do anything with this??
thanx 4 your advice u beautiful people |
Silver Member Username: Gromit
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| Posted on Wednesday, May 04, 2005 - 08:45 pm: |
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d34no,
I am told that Adobe Premier can do NTSC-PAL conversions. As per my post just above, I have tested and can confirm that Ulead VideoStudio can do conversions.
Don't forget that the quality will deteriorate a bit.
Cheers. |
Silver Member Username: Gromit
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| Posted on Thursday, May 05, 2005 - 12:20 am: |
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Viccy, according to my friend who is a mad-keen Apple user, you can do format change using a Mac application called "i-Movies"
Cheers. |
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| Posted on Friday, May 13, 2005 - 09:14 am: |
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Hi, I belong to India and I am currently in Canada. I am planning to buy a Sony camcorder DCR TRV 480 / DCR TRV 280. These will record on a tape. I heard that the recording will be in NTSC format and in India TV and tapes are in PAL format. My doubt is can I play the recorded video on an India TV by giving video-out of the camcorder to TV/with a Video Player there. One more doubt in future can I buy video casettes in India and use them to record in this camcorder. |
Silver Member Username: Gromit
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| Posted on Friday, May 13, 2005 - 09:46 am: |
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Kiran,
Yes, it's true you won't be able to play the tapes back on your local TV unless:
a) you have a dual-standard TV (might not be common in India) or
b) you play them through a PAL-NTSC converter (some VCRs have this function, but not many), or
c) you upload the tapes into your PC and do a format conversion before burning a DVD(very tedious).
The actual cassettes don't care whether they are recorded NTSC or PAL.
Hope that helps. |
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| Posted on Friday, May 13, 2005 - 09:58 am: |
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Thanks Gromit,
One more doubt I have in this issue. How to find whether my Indian TVs support both NTSC and PAL formats and Where I can get a PAL supporting Camcorders in Canada. May be Sony or any other company.
Any other information which can help me in resolving this issue. I need a camcorder [badly].
Thanks once again.
Kiran. |
Silver Member Username: Gromit
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| Posted on Friday, May 13, 2005 - 07:06 pm: |
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Kiran,
Any TV store will be able to tell you whether any of the sets they have are dual-standard. Any sets you currently have will certainly list standards supported in the specifications section of the user guide.
In any country, most stores will only sell camcorders supporting the local TV standard. That is because 99% of their market is such purchases. So, you need to find a Duty Free/Export shop - most of which are located at airports, of course.
Good luck!
Cheers. |
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| Posted on Saturday, May 21, 2005 - 01:40 am: |
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I need to make a rough, low quality NTSC VHS copy of a PAL DVD to send out for review. The DVD plays on my Mac laptop. I have a miniDV camcorder-- NTSC and firewire. Shall I shoot off the screen in real time?
If I can access the video & audio files on the DVD and convert them won't it take a long time? Can I use iMovie in some way? Or FCP? |
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| Posted on Tuesday, May 24, 2005 - 09:25 am: |
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I have recently purchased a Samsung (SC-D353) DV-Camcorder. The software that comes with it (Ulead VideoStudio 7) works great, but I had a copy of Pinnacle Studio 9 and my videos look even better on DVD. My question is, regardless of Firewire or USB (I use firewire), should the software you use be a factor? If so, whats a good software recommendation to transfer to DVD? Can someone help? |
Silver Member Username: Gromit
Post Number: 183
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| Posted on Tuesday, May 24, 2005 - 06:01 pm: |
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Camera User,
Yes, the software can make a difference to the quality of the finished DVD. The critical process is the rendering from native .avi format to MPEG-2, which is used in video DVDs.
Myself, I tried a few programmes before settling on Ulead MovieFactory. Rendering is rather slow but I like the end result.
Hope that helps. |
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| Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 - 04:08 am: |
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Hi
I am new to this forum.
I have a DCR-HC40E Pal DV Camcorder. It is not recording on the miniDV tapes I used to use with Sony TRV-18. Is there anything like NTSC DV tape or PAL DV Tape. |
Silver Member Username: Gromit
Post Number: 188
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| Posted on Wednesday, May 25, 2005 - 06:11 am: |
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babalu,
DV tape is NTSC/PAL agnostic. Whatever standard the camera uses, will record to the tape. You need to look elsewhere for an answer to your problem.
This is probably a stupid question, but are you sure you didn't slide the "record protect" switch across on the tapes?
Cheers. |
Camera User Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 08:24 pm: |
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I have a question regarding the "Time/Date" stamp feature on my DV camcorder. While recording, it is on the display. Even during playback it is there. But while transferring to my PC however, the time/date display on the PC is blank (no matter what software)...I'm sure this is specific to my camcorder, but is there anyone else out there with this problem?? |
Silver Member Username: Gromit
Post Number: 194
Registered: Mar-05
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| Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 08:51 pm: |
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Camera User,
Something I learnt from the real video-meister on this site (Berny) is "You can't transfer the date, you have to put it in yourself on the final edited product." Here is the sister page with that Q&A.
http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/8691/84713.html
Cheers. |
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