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Mezsmin
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Dear Berny & Chris ,
Me again. Is it necessary to use filter to protect lens? If it is necessary , pls kindly suggest me a budget filter for 17-85mm lens. How can I protect not to vaporise infront of lens when the camera move from cold place to hot place ( eg. from air-conditioned car to outside hot place , it make the lens blurr and I can see droplets of vaporisation infront of lens eventhough I keep the lens cap on ). If I use lens filter, will this issue be solved? Thanks a lot for all your wise advices.
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No need for a filter. But this is protection that is left to personal choice. However, if you do drop your lens in a way that will crack the filter...your lens will be damaged as well.

Condensation is not easy to avoid. Keep your camera in a plastic ziplock bag and give it a few minutes outside after coming out of an air conditioned room before taking it out of the bag. Feel if it is almost the same temperature as outside before removing it from the bag.
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Dearest Berny & Christ,
I would like to take 70-300mm IS USM lens. When I read internet forum, I find out that within 220-300mm range, in portrait orientation, the lens has some issue ( blurr image ). Is this issue common to all 70-300mm lens or only to a few unfortunate fellow's lens? Is it advisable to get 70-300mm IS USM lens? Other alternative within same budget ( canon lens ). Thanks a lot for all your replies. I really feel encourage with all your kind replies.
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I'm not personally familiar with the lens, but the reviews I quickly checked on it looked positive, though there was mention of the issue you are asking about.

For alternatives, the best I know of is the 70-200 f4.0L. It does have a shorter reach & no IS, but is one of the most highly regarded lenses in Canon's lineup. I do have personal experience with it and IMHO the reputation is well earned. If I could get away with an F4 non-IS lens, I would get that myself (the F2.8 IS version is 3x as expensive and on my to-get list).

Another option I see in the general price range is the 100-300 F4.5-5.6 USM. It's half the price & I can only find user reviews on fredmiranda & they are lukewarm, but for that pricepoint I'd expect it.

Beyond that, I see nothing in the Canon lineup. There looks to be Sigma alternatives, but we know their quality is spotty so I don't blame you for wantingto stick with Canon.
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Dearest Chris,
Thank you very much for your kind reply. What about 70-300mm DO IS USM lens? but it is more expensive. I am confuse now.... I want a zoom lens....
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It looks pretty promising. Here is a fairly in-depth review: http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/lenses/Canon-70-300mm.shtml

It sounds like a pretty good lens overall; from what I read it sounds like it's the replacement for the 75-300 & outperforms that lens, but doesn't quite match the spectacular results of the 70-200 lenses; though those are bascially the gold standard in the telephoto zoom range for Canon.

Personally, if I didn't need the speed of the 70-200 f2.8, I would be sorely tempted by this lens. At the price, the 70-200/f4 and 70-200/f2.8 are really worth looking into if you don't need that long end. And for about $280, you can get the 1.4x extender to take the 70-200 out to 280.

I guess the main question is do you need that 200-300mm range? If so, then this looks like a good lens. If 200mm will be good enough in general, you cannot do better than one of the three 70-200mm lenses. And, with a 70-200/f4 + 1.4x extender, you're looking at about $870 for a range of 70-280mm at a constant f4 vs $1150 for 70-300mm at f4.5-5.6; the IS will basically make up for the loss of the stop or so. So to me it's about $280 for the last 20mm range & being one piece.

To put some perspective on where I'm coming from, I currently own just the crummy kit lens and the 50mm f1.8 Mk I. I have used the 70-200 f4L, 70-200 f2.8L IS, 24-70 f2.8L, 28-70 f3.5-4.5, 10-22 f3.5-4.5, 17-40 f4L, and 85 f1.2L. I am saving to get first the 24-70, then 70-200 IS; after that maybe the 17-40. In the future I might play with getting some more primes (swapping the 50/1.8 for the 50/1.4 & adding an 85/1.8).
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What's the best camera on the markrt?Photo Stamp
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None.

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I am looking for a camera for amature Point & shoot photography. Canon has models A610 and A530 in 5MP P&S cameras. Looking at the specifications both appear to be similar but there is a substantial price difference between the two(~ 25%). One major difference which I can make out is that A530 has 1.8" LCD screen vs. 2" LCD with swivel for A610. I am not too sure whether A530 also has swivel screen or not, but the specification does not say so. The other difference is that A530 uses only 2 AA size batteries instead of 4 AA size batteries in A610 making it a bit less bulkier than A610.

How important are these diffrence?

How do these Canon models compare with Sony DSC W5 which has price similar to A610 of Canon?
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Manoj,
I suggest that you read the whole thread and you might be able to glean more information about your question.
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Berry,
Thanks for the reply. I had already read the whole thread, but I could not find any discussion on Canon A530 model and Sony W5. I will be grateful if you could help me on that. Thanks for your time.
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Sony is getting better but still a few improvements behind Canon. They just don't have the experience yet.

Canon still has a better lens even with the Sony touting Carl Zeiss lenses. It has less chromatic aberrations than the Sony. A better zoom lens without having to go with digital zoom (which is useless anyway). The macro feature focuses much better without less hunting and the multi point autofocus is spot on. The white balance is also more advanced on the Canon.

But, from what you have written you are focused (no pun intended)more on physical attributes. A swiveling screen is not important. Even the size of the screen is irrelevant...it only serves to drain the battery a lot faster and then you have no power and no camera to capture photos. I don't ever use the LCD screen to compose my shots anyway, but that is just me.

If you are picking between the Canon models, you will be happy with either one, just chose the one that appeals to you as the shooting capabilities will be the same. I will pass on the Sony.
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Thanks a lot Berry,
Another difference which I could make out between canon A610 and A530 is regarding the size of CCD sensor. A610 has 1/1.8 whereas A530 has 1/2.5. Your advise on that please.
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The bigger sensor will be better. Much like bigger film size.
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I'm sort of a dinosaur, being forced out of hiding by the recent demise of my beloved Mavica FD-71. What I need now is a lower-priced camera that will allow me to take good animal shots, so after reading reviews and Consumer Reports I got a Canon A530 today. The photo quality seems to be wonderful--I've already gotten great shots of a black cat, for instance, which were impossible with the Mavica. But the Canon takes forever to just take the shot once I press the button, and by then the animals have moved. This wasn't a problem with the Mavica, so I didn't expect it. I've tried all the relevant settings and I'm still losing lots of shots. Lots of empty scenes and nose close-ups. Very frustrating.

Two questions: one, is there anything I can do to change this slow speed, and two, should I return this Canon and try Sony again, or some other camera, to solve this problem? Thanks for your thoughts.
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What shooting mode are you using?
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I've been using the auto mode, the portrait mode, and the sport mode (that I thought was supposed to be good for things in motion). No significant difference in terms of shutter delay that I noticed.
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IMHO the real solution to dealing with P&S shutter delay is to spring for a DSLR. I have yet to see a P&S camera with quick enough response time to deal with quickly-moving subjects--like animals, children, or dancers.
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Ouch. Well, thanks for the info, because I sure don't know much about recent digital cameras. Guess I was assuming that everything about the new crop would be superior to my old two-pound floppy-using Mavica, from the pixels to the speed. The picures from that camera were no comparison to this Canon, but the response time of the shutter was much superior. Rats.

Know any place I could get the old Mavica repaired?
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Check out your local yellow pages to search for shops that may be able to repair your Mavica. You can send it to Sony but they will probably laugh and then charge you a lot of money for equipment they no longer repair themselves.

I don't think it is worth the repair cost. At least not for a camera that has less than a 1 megapixel resolution.

The good thing is, now you have a baseline for what you want in your next digital camera. That is one of the key features when looking for your next digital camera purchase. Search the specs for shutter lag. Your Mavica has a shutter lag of about .12 secs.

Some of the faster cameras in the point and shoot category that I have used are the Casio Exilim series. Check out the EX-Z110, EX-Z57, EX-S500. Great lenses as well and very intuitive controls. Chromatic aberrations are tolerable but worlds better than your older Mavica.

Although the Sony Cybershots are acceptable in terms of speed, however, I cannot stand the chromatic aberration in most of the pictures it takes. Great disposable little digital cameras, though:-)

The Canon series are great but the shutter lag is still present. The better ones are in the SD series.

Forget the Nikon point and shoots, great lens, very slow response. They are too concentrated on the Digital SLRs and it seems like the point and shoots are an after thought..
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Yes, i know I have been harping on the megapixel war, but a .31 megapixel resolution compared to a 3 or even a 5 IS noticeable. Watch out for the Sony cameras, as they have an artificially brightened picture, makes you think that the quality is really great. And moving from the Mavica to the Cybershot will look really impressive.
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That's why I usually preface my megapixel-war soapbox comments with the caveat about current models. Any *current model* camera it doesn't matter--they've all caught up enough that for new stuff it doesn't matter.

I'm finding the same dynamic in just about every product now--there is always one simple, not very truly important (any more), stat that everyone fixates on. With digital cameras it's megapixels, computers is GHz, HT receivers is overblown wattage or how many ways to distort the sound, cars is HP among others. Now my wife is shopping for a new sewing machine & I'm seeing it there too (how many friggin' stitch patterns do you really need anyway?). So the moral is do your research & determine for yourself what aspects are truly important, then make the decision based on that.
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First I'd like to say that I am a professional photographer and have twenty years experience in this field.

Canon cameras are simply the best cameras. From the ultra-compact Ixus (SD in America) to dSLR cameras they are simply the best.

If you want an ultra-compact camera you buy for example Ixus izoom. Very small and beautiful camera. Also the Ixus 750 is great if you want high quality 7 MP camera. Better yet get the dRebel dSLR camera if you want a real camera.
Sony! forget it. No point in buying Sony, Kodak, Olympus. They force you to buy expensive memory stick or xd cards and the picture quality is nowhere near the Canon. Canon also offers excellent lenses for dSLR cameras. And if you buy the other brands you can't get these high quality lenses.

I also recommend the Canon Powershot S3 IS for those who want ultra-zoom and good movie mode. 12*optical zoom and great image quality. But doesn't have the same flexibility as dRebel. Fixed lense, aaarrgh
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Hold the press...we have reached the search for the best camera. The great Halldor has proclaimed Canon to be simply the best. His 20 years in the field is simply the measuring stick by which everyone else must heed, surely you must all see that. Being a professional gives him absolute authority in all things camera!

Simply laughable!

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hehe ;; i have canon powershot a620, good camera. uses 4 heavy AA batteries and is heavy but i like the fact if i'm doing something that requires a recharge ;; ooohhh i can just pop in some more batteries. image quality is great for what it is. not as good as my old canon AT-1 which is a real camera with all the bells and whistles that the 70's offered hehe, but is does the job and is convenient. search for best cameras, ehhh, i'll agree w/ berny's sinicism in the matter that there is no best camera. only the best camera for the consumer at a certain price point. by that i mean, your going to have to opt for certain "features";; shutter speed, picture quality, compatibility, software compromises, zoom, etc.. w/ whatever u buy. to just say canon is the best is incorrect. i would stay away from sony and kodak for my price range which was 400 bucks at purchase time, but that is just trial and error. when it comes down to trial and error,,,, and my money is involved, i do just that. i trial the whole lot of cameras and read reviews and spend my hard earned money comfortably. i almost didn't buy my canon because i didn't like the build of it. completely made of low grade plastic, swivel lcd that i could give a rats *** about, etc.. But, when it came down to it, i found that for 400 bucks it was the best that i could do for my intended purposes in that price range at the time... i take pictures of my newborn daughter pretty much is all. i paired it with a canon pixma ip6600d printer and quality canon paper and couldn't be happier. THE POINT: do your homework.. find out what u want to spend, trial and error plenty of different cameras in your price range. this is easy and fun. do this and be happy with your purchase. DO NOT LISTEN TO ANYONE'S ADVICE EXCEPT TO POINT YOU INTO A DIRECTION FOR AUDITION. THERE IS NO BEST CAMERA OR BEST CAMERA COMPANY. if there was, there wouldn't be choices.......
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hi! over a period of time i've been reviewing canon (middle end)digital cameras, can you tell me how canon A530 supercedes over nikon coolpix or sony of equivalent resolution.
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Canon - excellent reputation as a camera maker. Wonderful lenses, great response time. Very little chromatic aberrations, great color without artificial saturation.

Nikon - same as above, with exception of response time. Very slow and confusing controls.

Sony - Nice little cameras and seem to be made for mass consumer market. Simple controls lots of features. Over saturation of colors, acceptable response time. Horrible chromatic aberrations and distortion, but good enough for consumer use. Lousy customer service and longevity of cameras not established.

Pixels-not an issue!
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thnx a lot Berny for you prompt response.....I'll go 4 Canon A-530
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You are welcome.
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Hi! I am debating between a Canon SD630 and a Sony T30. Can someone tell me which they think is better? I am also looking at the Sony T9, but I think it's mostly because it looks soooo sleek. Please help!
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If you've read this thread, you should already know what Berny and I will say (three guesses, hint: it doesn't have an "S" in it ;) ). Something to think about: does a pretty case help the camera take better pictures?
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LOL!
Unfortunately however, it does help to sell cameras.
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I am trying to decide between the Sony DSC H5, and the Canon S3 IS. Any suggestions???
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Read the previous posts and you will have come to a conclusion :-)
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I understand you like Canon better, but I was looking for info related to these two cameras. If you are biased to Canon, I will look else where for some non judgemental advice. Thanks anyway. :-)
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Have fun on your search.
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No, we are biased against inferior cameras. It sounds like you have already made your decision & don't want to hear a conflicting opinion. Like Berny said, have fun & remember where all the Sony problem threads are--we'll be looking for you there.
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I understand from previous discussions that Canon Lenses are better and probably sony in electronics. I have zeroed in on Canon IXUS 750 and Sony W100 which are available almost at same cost. IXUS is 7 Megapixel and W100 is 8 MP. I can't make out which is better overall VALUE for MONEY as both Lense (Canon with better lense) and Electronics/resolution (sony withh 8 MP) are important here. Please suggest.
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OK, first of all forget the MP specs, they are so close as to be equal. They both make their own sensors, IMHO Canon's a far superior--and Canon isn't the one seeing potentially massive recalls on failed sensors. Canon makes their own optics and are the 800-lb gorilla in the field right now, that's for a reason.

I really don't think Sony's electronics are all that great any more, they have been coasting along on brand name recognition for a while now.

Anyway, looking at specs, these two are so close it's one of those down-to-personal-preference comparisons. Resolution, lens parameters, etc. are a close match. It looks like the Canon has the edge with lens (f2.8-4.9 vs it looks like f2.8-10(!) for the Sony). I am not a fan of the Sony memory stick, which the W100 uses. If it were my money, I would go with the Canon just because I trust their reliability more.

Here's a site with reviews on both models, so probably a good side-by-side
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/SD550/SD55A.HTM
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/W100/W100A.HTM
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Sony's electronics are not that great.
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A very quick test came to mind, and you don't even have to leave this site. How many "broken Sony" or "Sony problems" threads are there here? Now, how many "broken Canon" threads are there? That should help the decision.

Here's a thread that should give pause with Sony electronics: http://www.dgrin.com/showthread.php?t=40913
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I think "Very Sneaky" really wants validation on Sony cameras as he probably already made a purchase :-)

"Non judgemental advice"...will advice favoring Sony be non-judgemental???
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A very interesting read.
Especially the negative comments about Sony's reliability.

I guess this must be something concerning US customers only, I don't hear/read that much complaints in Europe.
(ofcourse there are some who are dissatisfied about Sony products, but an equal amount of complaints about Canon)

The reliabilty issues aside, if the camera would just work, it would be difficult for me to pick a winner.

I read a lot of testreports about Sony's dsc W70, dsc W100 and Canon's SD 600 (Ixus 60), SD630 (Ixus 65) and SD700 (Ixus 750)

What's interesting is that American reviews in general are more favourable towards Canon whereas European, especially German magazines, are more favourable towards Sony.

Every magazine/site has their own way of testing the camera's performance, most importantly the quality of the image.
But since the technical quality of an image (colour, sharpness etc.) can be measured in an objective way (not like audio equipment for instance) it is all that more surprising that the results by different magazines can differ a lot.

For instance the Fuji Finepix F30 is praised by some, a testwinner, where others find it mediocre at best compared to rivals.

The optics of the Canon and Sony camera's are both pretty good, the ergonomics too.
Even the looks match, both series, Sony's "W" and Canon's Ixus are very classy and very well built.

Both types have an optical viewfinder, Sony's a bit better than Canon's.

Canon is able to adjust the white balance manually, Sony cannot.
With Sony you can set the flash strenght manually, Canon cannot.

Sony's scd W100 is the only camera of which I mentioned, in the price class of $300, where you have a (limited) manual exposure control.

The battery life of both brands is interesting.
With the Sony you can take up to more than 3 times the amount of pictures the Canon takes, but recharging the battery of the Sony will take 3 times the time it takes for the Canon to recharge.
So which one is better?

I have seen pictures taken by both Sony scd W100, W70 and Canon sd700.
I couldn't tell which was better, but I'm not a professional.
Canon's pictures seemed a bit "warmer" and softer.

I reckon to play with both types, Sony and Canon and decide for yourself, the testresults of the magazines aren't that relevant for me to make a choice, it only tells me all cameras perform well.

But considering the negative experiences I encounter on this forum with Sony products I'd go for Canon, if you live in the US that is, otherwise Sony is an equal alternative.
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hey! ppl...m
temme the best value digicam in market with price range between Rs.10000(200USD) to Rs.15000(250USD) in canon.
thnx a lot...
:-)
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Please help me dont know what to buy.
Sony Dsc -W50 or Canon A530.
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Read the above discussion :-)
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Berny or Chris or anyone...
After The holidays i am looking to buy a digital camera i have my own opinions on what is the best. I would like it to stay $300 rang. The less the better for a college student. I need it to be compact, and somewhat durable. I would like the lense cover to be good. mega pixel, i guess i don't know. Is 7.2 MP really much much better than 5.0 MP or are they pretty close. I also would like to beable to hold a lot of pictures (i am going on a 2 week trip to germany, chance of a life time, going to take abundance of photos). The screen... well i would like it to be in the 2.4' range or around that if possible.
Good night vision if possible, and "action".
Battery life! going to need good batteries. what do you suggest?? HELP
I pretty sure Canon is REALLY good. i think sony is, Casio i am startting to hear is good. Olympus in the past i heard was good.
KODAK i HATE!!!! the rest i don't know.
HELP ANYONE!!!
Thanks,
Spalding
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If you have perused this thread you will notice the lean towards Canon.

I would recommend the Canon SD700 for the requirements you have stated. Anything else might make you unhappy...cheaper, yes, but you may not like it. BUt if budget is a big consideration, try out the older line of the SD series. I recommend the 700 because of the Image Stabilization feature which will help with low light.

Do not go into the megapixel debacle, it is fruitless and is not a selling point unless the sales rep just want more money/commission.

The batteries last fairly long but as with any digital camera, it will serve you well to have a spare. A bigger screen will only serve to use up battery power so it is not a plus. Try to avoid using it if at all possible during your trip. You will need the power.

If you want it to hold plenty of pictures, you will need a memory card with plenty of storage. Or plenty of memory cards with medium storage space. I would recommend mulitple memory cards as opposed to 1 huge card. It only takes 1 ruined picture to mess up everything that is stored in the card.
There is also the Casio exilim series. Another great little camera and very small with a very big screen. Takes great pictures too and very intuitive to use. One drawback is the lack of image stabilization. but still a great camera, you just need a steady hand for low light shots.