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Thread: HELP!!! vga vs component vs s-video vs dvi vs hdmi |
    
New member Username: Ghst1941
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| Posted on Monday, July 25, 2005 - 07:50 pm: |
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I am really confused. First I heard that vga is the best then I heard that component is. Then people are talking about dvi and hdmi. Can someone please tell me which is best and rank them. I am more interested in knowing if vga is better than component (because i actually know what these are) |
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New member Username: Ghst1941
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| Posted on Monday, July 25, 2005 - 08:09 pm: |
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Component
S-Video
Composite
Coax |
Silver Member Username: Virus5877
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| Posted on Friday, July 29, 2005 - 08:46 pm: |
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if you can find dvi output cards and a monitor with dvi input, that is the best video connection you can get...
video connections on a scale of 1-10 (1-worst, 10-best):
HDMI/DVI - 10
Component - 9
S-Video - 6
VGA - 5
Composite - 3
Coaxial - 1
...that should clear that confusion up! |
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| Posted on Monday, August 08, 2005 - 02:02 pm: |
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vga is way better than component and a teraload better than s-video. Think about it, would you connect your computer monitor with a s-video cable? Heck no |
New member Username: Ghst1941
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| Posted on Tuesday, August 09, 2005 - 01:54 am: |
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see this is what i mean some people say component is better than vga and others say it is worse. if anyone really knows and has proof(example: put an uplink(url) to the place you saw it) |
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| Posted on Wednesday, August 17, 2005 - 07:46 pm: |
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Isn't VGA the same as component? I have worked with equipment that uses a VGA output and the cable breaks out into RGBHV component. That's red, green, blue, horizontal & vertical. Is this the same arrangement your normal everyday monitor connected to your computer? |
New member Username: Hiendhifi
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| Posted on Saturday, August 20, 2005 - 04:10 am: |
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one is not better that the other. When you're connecting a component cable to a TV (non monitor) you are using red, green, and blue. Your TV cant, and doesnt need to process anything else. On the other hand if you need to connect a device to a monitor you will need a signal that will give you more than just RGB. A standard 15pin VGA cable sends RGB + HV (horizontal and vertical sync) as well as other wires that allow things like refresh rates and basic computer communication back and forth (things TV's dont need) So, if you have a TV with a VGA and a component connection use whatever makes you happy cause it just doesnt matter. |
SuperDave Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 06:45 pm: |
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Component is not RGB (however, VGA is). It has three lines, but only two carry information about color, the third carries brightness. VGA carries more bandwith than Component (about 2x), but it is still an analog connection. DVI and HDMI are digital connections, which is great for your DVD player or anyother digital device because it doesn't have to convert the signal (conversion = loss of information), but if you are outputting to an analog device (like most televisions are) it really doesn't matter because you are converting the digital signal to analog in the end. |
SuperDave Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Friday, September 02, 2005 - 06:45 pm: |
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Component is not RGB (however, VGA is). It has three lines, but only two carry information about color, the third carries brightness. VGA carries more bandwith than Component (about 2x), but it is still an analog connection. DVI and HDMI are digital connections, which is great for your DVD player or anyother digital device because it doesn't have to convert the signal (conversion = loss of information), but if you are outputting to an analog device (like most televisions are) it really doesn't matter because you are converting the digital signal to analog in the end. |
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sumwanelse Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Friday, September 09, 2005 - 07:16 pm: |
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VGA and Component video are essentially the same thing. If you pull apart a VGA cable you will see that inside there is a RED, GREEN and a BLUE whire inside. All VGA is is component with additional wires to control the monitor from the computer. A VGA to Component adapter can easily be made simply by splicing pins 1 and 6, 2 and 7 and 3 and 8 while shorting 4 and 5 as vsence (ground). Each of those pairs in that order are; RED, GREEN and Blue. |
d.charalampidis Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Monday, September 12, 2005 - 10:07 am: |
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VGA, surely is better.
The main thing is that VGA is pure RGB, as opposed to Component which is compressed into YPbPr. This has to be decompressed into RGB at the TV end.
This is grossly simplified, but that's the gist of it.
For this reason, some people (myself included) argue that RGB Scart is superior to Component for interlaced SD content. True, the YPbPr compression used with Component connections saves bandwidth, but this is a non-issue on a VGA connection.
Besides, VGA has always looked superior to my eye anyway. You ever seen VGA look anything but stunning?
FYI, when the XBox 360 comes, my Component cable is staying in the box, I'm heading straight for VGA, and plugging it into this sets' DVI-I socket. |
New member Username: Ghst1941
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| Posted on Monday, September 12, 2005 - 10:55 pm: |
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yeah i one of the reasons that i am asking this question is because of the xbox 360 thank you to everyone who has replied but it seems that no one can actually say which is better which is annoying and i am still unsure |
Bronze Member Username: Kevinp
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| Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 - 11:26 am: |
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I have the new Sony A10 LCD TV, which has a RGB slot in the back, which says "PC IN".
Is this where I would put the VGA cable into from my Xbox 360?
I too am looking for the best connection as I will be playing DVD's with the 360 as well. |
Michael in Ohio Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Saturday, September 17, 2005 - 09:05 pm: |
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This looks like just the place to ask this question. I have a Sony LCD hd monitor with my Xbox hooked up thru component. I also have a VGA adaptor for it and plan to use that when the 360 comes out, then hook the 360 thru the component connection. Or I could do the opposite. But here's the problem. I used the VGA adaptor and though it's a great picture, I can usually see faint vertical lines in the picture. Auto adjusting doesn't get rid of it. Can anyone suggest how to adjust these away, or what the problem is? Many thanks. |
Bronze Member Username: Kevinp
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| Posted on Saturday, September 17, 2005 - 10:25 pm: |
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Michael,
After doing some research I'd stay stick with the component at this point. No one knows how the VGA will look with the 360 & component will be just fine. |
New member Username: Greybeard
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| Posted on Wednesday, September 21, 2005 - 11:02 pm: |
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Hey Mike,
VGA is better than component because it is not compressed or processed on the way to the display device like component video. VGA will arrive at your TV in a purer form. How your tv handles component vs. VGA is a WAG. Consider this though. An XBox is really just a computer in a different package. What do almost all computers use? VGA! The two following sites have good descriptions of VGA component video. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VGA
http://www.projectorcentral.com/component.htm |
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| Posted on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - 04:13 pm: |
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I am having the same problem... VGA or DVI to hook up my 27" LCD TV/monitor. I am having trouble with picture quality using VGA when playing online games like Call Of Duty... Also, the screen Auto adjust tends to be off. That could be the LCD manafacturer(Syntax Olevia). I will try DVI and let you know if there is any diff. in quality. |
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| Posted on Saturday, October 01, 2005 - 06:18 pm: |
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i have a normal Lcd TV (not HD) with a pc connection on it, is this VGA because i want to connect the 360 to my TV but im not sure if the VGA cable for the 360 is compatible with non HD TV's, does any1 know? |
scotty cupra Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Sunday, October 02, 2005 - 09:19 am: |
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what is the best connection then from a pc to a hd tv? my g card has dvi output but my new tv has 1 x VGA input ( 15 PIN HD D-Sub (HD-15) ) ¦ 2 x SCART ( 21 PIN SCART ) ¦ 1 x composite video input ( RCA phono ) ¦ 1 x S-Video input ( 4 PIN mini-DIN ) ¦ 1 x component video input ( RCA phono x 3 ) ¦ 1 x audio line-in ( mini-phone stereo 3.5 mm ) ¦ 1 x audio line-out ¦ 1 x headphones what is the best connection to use? i was gonna use a dvi to vga converter then use a standard vga lead. for the sound a 3,5 jack to 2 plug |
ErictheViking Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Thursday, October 06, 2005 - 05:43 am: |
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I have a Asus laptop with a VGA and S-Video output and a LG HDTV with both VGA and S-Video input, which is the best option? VGA or S-Video? from what i read here VGA should be better quality but the problem is that maybe some TVs arent able to handle the signal properly? |
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| Posted on Saturday, October 08, 2005 - 09:51 am: |
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This will probably help building an own ranking of the quality of analog signal types:
http://www.epanorama.net/links/videosignal.html
I think there are also links to infos about the digital ones. If available I would ever prefer the newest digital standard: DVI (HDMI is similar with respect to quality)! |
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| Posted on Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - 02:58 pm: |
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Okay...This seems like the place. I have a Sony 4x3 CRT Wega HDTV. I've been using Component for my PS2 and DVD player. I was going to hook up one of my laptops. I was using S-Video, okay but still not crisp. I purchased a VGA to Component cable. My TV no worky. Does anyone know what gives? I get a whole butt load of res and refresh settings but none work. My pc sees that display, but I get no picture. Any help would be greatly appreciated. |
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| Posted on Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - 10:29 pm: |
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i want to splice the stock xbox a/v cords and turn it into an s-video with left and right RCA or VGA with Left and right RCA Seperate. does anyone know how ? or just how to turn a VGA cable to an S-video Cable. |
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| Posted on Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 03:30 pm: |
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About the VGA vs. Component quality. You guys have touched on the technical aspects, which does suggest that VGA is supperior. From a practical perspective, or real world use, I have to say that VGA is in fact superior. I used an HD satellite receiver that used both outputs and my 50" plasma supported both, and the difference is night and day. VGA was much clear/sharper, compared to its component alternative, which displayed artifacts in the picture, as you would see in highly compressed JPG images, for instance. |
New member Username: I3one21
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| Posted on Sunday, October 16, 2005 - 12:42 am: |
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DVI-D (D for digital) is the highest resolution connection. DVI-I and DVI-A (for more information check this site: http://www.datapro.net/techinfo/dvi_info.html). HDMI is a digital connection for Video and 8-channels of Digital Audio as well as device control features (basically DVI with audio).
Here are the advantages and disadvantages of connection types:
http://www.ramelectronics.net/html/howto-av.html
Connecting to Tv:
http://www.techlore.com/article/10061/ |
New member Username: I3one21
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| Posted on Sunday, October 16, 2005 - 11:41 am: |
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All about cables
http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/34579/122868.html |
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| Posted on Tuesday, October 18, 2005 - 05:44 pm: |
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i have an olevia syntax 32" lcd which is one of the best quality picture i have seen when u adjust the colors as soon as u buy it ........ and it has a vga connection so i was thinking the same thing about using the vga for my xbox 360 instead of the component cables....... its gonna be sick .. i wish they had dvi at least for xbox 360 i sont understand why they went that route i hope the vga does the job ...... i recommend the olevia syntax lcd to everyone its the biggest surprise you'll have especially $$$$$ very affordable $999 and works just as good without ahving to pay a mortgage..... u just gotta adjust the colors bring down red greeen and blue ... it comes out the box very saturated |
vin benzine Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 - 02:19 pm: |
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I was wondering what about the refreshrate if you connect an XBOX 360 to your computer monitor. When i set a monitor to 60hz it realy start hurting my eyes after a while.
I hope there will be an option to set the refreshrate. And if not maybe it is possible to make a VGA cable where you can set the refresrate by doing something to the cable.
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texan95 Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Friday, October 21, 2005 - 02:17 pm: |
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I have a Syntax Olevia LCD as well, and it's amazing. Mine's 30", cost $777 at Fry's, and HDTV picture is as good as any I've seen. Didn't have to adjust saturation on mine, it's still playing as it came out of the box. |
TechieMike Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Saturday, October 22, 2005 - 08:16 am: |
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I have a DVD player with a component output. I am planning on buying an AV receiver that has component inputs and outputs. My TV only has RGB through the scart socket though. Is it possible to connect the DVD player to the receiver using a component cable then connect the component out to the TV using an RGB to scart adaptor? |
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| Posted on Monday, October 24, 2005 - 12:45 pm: |
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the quality of the cable is also important |
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| Posted on Monday, October 24, 2005 - 12:56 pm: |
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DVI is definately better quality....TESTED and proven! |
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| Posted on Monday, October 24, 2005 - 01:03 pm: |
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I tested the picture quality on my Syntax 27" Olevia LCD using VGA and DVI and Using DVI was so crisp I felt like I was in the game. Changing to DVI also fixed my auto adjust problems (Can't figure that out). |
New member Username: Pmf
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| Posted on Saturday, November 05, 2005 - 08:47 pm: |
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Hi i found this forum as i was trying to find out which connection between pc's and tv's is the bets. So far i can tell that s-video is quite good for video playback or picture display but the colours on the desktop and the text get very bad. do these item s improve if i connect bothe machines via DVI? Thanks. |
New member Username: Pmf
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| Posted on Saturday, November 05, 2005 - 08:49 pm: |
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By the way im trying to link a ATI 9600XT to a Loewe Xelos A26 HD-LCD TV. if anyone knows how to improve the visual performance between these two please mail me. |
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| Posted on Monday, November 07, 2005 - 02:05 pm: |
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is it my imagination or is this tread all-over the place! anyway C-net.com has HD Stats on conections.
HDMI is great but it's media road block for copying so to speak thats why it was invented! DVI might be the same as it's digital and pretty much the same (with-out sound)! Sheep use a DVI to d-sub converter
it should be fine!>Scotty cupra same!ATI 9600 get drivers use DVI if possible! |
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| Posted on Monday, November 07, 2005 - 02:16 pm: |
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who makes the Syntax Olevia's panel? sounds pretty good! I've got a Pavo 32"HD lcd with a Sharp panel connected to my pc with DVI and it's unbelivable only way to watch porrnn! oh yer |
Guy with same issue Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Saturday, November 12, 2005 - 12:35 pm: |
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here is a link that explains the difference between them all. Now keep in mind this has nothing to do with computers, but rather the connections them selves when used with a TV only!!
http://lyberty.com/encyc/articles/svideo.html |
xcarcraft Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - 12:54 pm: |
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I'd like to know were scart comes into the equation?
anybody! |
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| Posted on Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - 09:47 pm: |
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So after reading all of this, it looks like I'm going to hook up my XBOX360 to my Syntax Olevia 32" LCD via the VGA adaptor. I know this is going to be awesome.
BTW, I'll jump in and recommend the Syntax HDTV too. It has the specs and picture to rival anything up to $4k for $999. Philips makes the LCD's and it uses the IPS (In Plane Switching) panels so you get a much wider viewing angle. I love mine. It makes my buddy's $3500 Sharp Aquos look like dogsh*t. |
New member Username: Xcarcraft
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| Posted on Saturday, November 19, 2005 - 01:44 am: |
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why wouldn't you use a DVI connection on your xbox 360? I also have a hard time believing a philips panel will out perform a Sharp's! |
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| Posted on Saturday, November 19, 2005 - 08:45 am: |
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I have a Samsung DLP TV (HL-R5064W). There have been some posts about "time lags" with PS2 and XBox games. Does anyone know if this is also the case with XBox 360? If so, is there anything to get around this problem? Samsung gives some advice, but not sure if it applys to the 360 (http://erms.samsungelectronics.com/customer/ca/jsp/faqs/faqs_view.jsp?PG_ID=3&AT _ID=20012&PROD_SUB_ID=41&PROD_ID=-1). Thanks in advance! |
Dante Benjamin Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Sunday, November 20, 2005 - 04:41 pm: |
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So after reading all this I'm still not sure if I should get the 360 VGA cables, b/c my tv only has a DVI input. Are they the same? d.charalampidis wrote
"FYI, when the XBox 360 comes, my Component cable is staying in the box, I'm heading straight for VGA, and plugging it into this sets' DVI-I socket."
So can I buy the VGA cable and plug it into a DVI input? |
NJInsane Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Monday, November 21, 2005 - 03:38 pm: |
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XCraft: It isn't supporting DVI, that's why. Not sure why. Wish it was. |
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| Posted on Tuesday, November 22, 2005 - 03:44 pm: |
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Ok i have a big problem everyone! I got hold of a really cheap 20 inch lcd,hdtv (polaroid 2011). I intended on pluggin in my laptop vga into the tv and low and behold...there is no vga input on the tv. However it does have a component input. I need to convert from a VGA output on my laptop to component (tv input). A: how is the best way to do that? and B: will i lose quality? |
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| Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 09:29 am: |
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Is it worth paying alot extra for a DVI connection on a 19" TFT as opposed to one without? |
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| Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 10:53 am: |
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In Regards to the Xbox 360 Vga vs Component
I can settle it perfectly right now.
There never has been and currently is not a TV in the world that can do what a standard 5 year old CRT monitor can do and thats a fact. Its just a tigher and sharper image. Mind you it is much smaller and that to me is a factor to consider.
The VGA cable running from your monitor to your video card needs not only to carry multiple types of data but fast enough for a good sync/RefRate.
A component cable essentially does the same thing but it is designed for a different display architecture. Televisions as I said are significantly inferior to CRT's and so data is not only carried diffeently it is also diplayed differently. Signal degradation is not nearly as noticable on a television as it definately would be on a monitor.
Your XBOX 360 is a computer in every way and even processes display information through a video card. It would perform best( as in looks the best) in this order.
1. Flat Computer Monitor with VGA (CRT still looks best but LCD is fine if not for some occasional ghosting issues)
2. High Definition LCD/DLP running through, DVI or even VGA at 1080i resolution n(DVI and VGA will give the same performance to the human eye on an LCD Television though DVI is superior for this display type.
3. High Definition LCD/DLP running through Component Y,Cr,Cb, or Y,Pb,Pr at 1070i
4. Standard Flat Analog Screen running through analog component Y,Cr,Cb, or Y,Pb,Pr at 480i
5. Standard Flat Analog Screen running through s-video at 480i (degraded image from compression)
6. Standard Flat Analog Screen running through composite cables at terrible performace.
7. Standard Flat Analog Screen with a coaxial connection.... oh god its bad and oh yes.. it does get worse!
Hope that helps anyone!
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darkandlong Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 08:41 pm: |
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Uh, wouldn't you want a progressive image over an interlaced image for gaming? 720p would be a lot better with fast motion then 1080i I would think.
Either way, I'm curious as to whether the VGA hookup will look marginally better then the component on my 50" DLP. |
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| Posted on Thursday, November 24, 2005 - 08:04 pm: |
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I think it's best to buy both cable connections and test it out yourself with your own equipment. I will try that with my Xbox 360 once I can get my hand on one. I have a 42" Plasma EDTV. |
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| Posted on Monday, November 28, 2005 - 11:39 am: |
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For DVD (max resolution 854*480), component is not a bad choice as DVDs are actually encoded in component video. Just make sure you have progressive scan component output (480P) on your DVD player and 480p input on your television (or projector), and you should get the best possible playback result out of your DVDs. HDMI/DVId are good too, but you can hardly see any difference with progressive scan component, unless you have true high definition input signal (which DVDs are not) with resolutions equal or above 720p. |
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| Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2005 - 02:54 pm: |
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Can anyone post any images up. That would probably be the best to help everyone out (including myself). There's an article somewhere on the internet that actually shows images of vga and component output on the 360(once i find it again, i'll post it here). The component did look much richer (which doesn't make sense to me, becuase I would think vga is better). |
bombmeo Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2005 - 03:10 pm: |
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Ok, here's the article I found:
http://www.gamespot.com/features/6139690/index.html
But I still wanna know, which is the best for a Plasma. I have a VGA input (no component). I'm currently using it. Just wanna know if component will look different. I'm even thinking of getting a converter from VGA/Component to DVI. At least this way I can connect all my other component enabled devices to DVI. |
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| Posted on Thursday, December 01, 2005 - 10:12 am: |
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i want to go from my ps2 to my computer monitor...
so my question is if i go from my ps2 composite video cable into a vga adapter for ps2 will it look the same as if i went from my ps2 component video cable into the same vga adapter????
thanks |
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| Posted on Thursday, December 01, 2005 - 06:42 pm: |
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Hi All,
I Purchased an Olevia 26'' LCD TV recently. I tried to play some movies which were in Real Media format from my computer connected to the LCD TV using VGA. I am unable to see the Real Media format on the LCD TV though it plays well on the computer. Can anyone suggest me some solutions for it? I tried adjusting the display settings both in the TV and the computer(Resolution changed to 800*600). It did not work. Any ideas?????
Thanks,
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New member Username: Wiggy
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| Posted on Friday, December 02, 2005 - 11:43 am: |
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Hi all
I think you will all be able to help me here
I am trying to connect a Laptop To a Sony HDTV LCD
Laptop has a 256meg Nvidia 6800 Ultra card with VGA & DVI-D also S-video out
my HDTV has Scarts,(Scart RGB) S-Video & Component YPbPr.
I made a mistake & bought a DVI-I to component lead (a bit wiser now)
My question is:- can I use a vga/component lead to connect them in not why not?
or do I need a transcoder thingy.
or is there another way to make a HD connection with my lappy
many thanks |
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