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Silver Member

Username: Ghiacabriolet

NC

Post Number: 106
Registered: Apr-04

Posted on Monday, May 24, 2004 - 10:34 pm:

Do you ever find stuff you either didn't know you had or forgot you had? That's been the case this past week:

For instance, there's a Pink Floyd DSOTM commentary going on another thread that reminded me that I have that on SACD. I listened to it and found that I like the surround mix quite a bit. I think I prefer it to the stereo mix. I also did the "Dark Side of the Rainbow" thing where you play DSOTM as the soundtrack to "Wizard of Oz". Interesting but not earth shattering.

Then, tonight while researching some SACD reviews, I came across a review of Heart's "Alive in Seattle" SACD. I knew this was in my collection but didn't realize it was SACD. Naturally, I tossed it into the player. Wow! As one who used to "stalk" Heart on tour, I'm very familiar with the ambience of their concerts and this SACD captures it perfectly. I can't tell you if this is a "well recorded" mix but it damn sure sends me back to the many coliseums and arenas in which I saw Heart. Recommended.

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Username: Ghiacabriolet

NC

Post Number: 107
Registered: Apr-04

Posted on Monday, May 24, 2004 - 10:36 pm:

p.s. I believe the review said Heart "Alive in Seattle" is also on DVD-DTS for those without SACD/universal players.

Silver Member

Username: Myrantz

Post Number: 299
Registered: Feb-04

Posted on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 12:08 am:

Ghia

Stop it and get back to your studies! (grin)

Unfortunately we've thrown out or sold anything we didn't know we had, but the favourable comments like yours and others beginning to appear here with more regularity gives me confidence with the WAF as we save for our universal player. I had promised a TV upgrade first but she relented - she loves good sound also.

So the SACD without delay settings was okay with your setup?

Silver Member

Username: Ghiacabriolet

NC

Post Number: 108
Registered: Apr-04

Posted on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 07:55 am:

MR

My test is this a.m. - we'll see if I had too many "distractions". ;-)

This "Alive in Seattle" SACD is really very good! I bought it a year or so ago (not for the SACD since I didn't have a player but just because it was Heart) and, honestly, had not listened to it completely (2 discs) a single time - until last night. For the past few years, I haven't listened to much Heart because I thought I had "outgrown" them....but, the SACD was such a revelation. It is mixed with the music in the front 3 channels (I didn't realize my sub was off so don't know how active it is - will listen to that tonight....maybe) and the Paramount Theater/audience ambience in the rear channels. As I listened to it, my impression was that it has a good mix and seems to be "well recorded".

I have set delay settings based on the distance settings available in my receiver setup and using a tape measure to measure the distance from my listening position to all speakers. I believe I duplicated the settings in the DVD-2200. To me, it sounds really good. In a few weeks (after I get through the testing cycle and my vacation), I will do some more serious calibration using setup discs and an SPL meter.

You are wise to do the sound upgrade first. I think you and your wife will agree once you have it in place. I'm still using my 32" Sony Wega TV and it is fine for me. There hasn't been much time to watch DVD's yet (music has always been my priority) but I've tested it out with excerpts from Matrix , Titanic and Wizard of Oz - and, the sound is bigger than the picture but it works for me.

Silver Member

Username: Ghiacabriolet

NC

Post Number: 109
Registered: Apr-04

Posted on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 08:03 am:

BTW, as I listen to more hi-rez music, I think my preference between multichannel & stereo is proving to be more "recording-specific" over other factors. While the multichannel/stereo factor may change from recording to recording, the one thing that stays constant is the warmth and richness that comes from the hi-rez recordings. I've yet to find a disappointment in that regard.

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Username: Myrantz

Post Number: 302
Registered: Feb-04

Posted on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 06:12 pm:

Ghia

Thanks so much. Yes 'recording specific' is the key to all formats. From what you and others are saying, I'm realling looking forward to the universal player. I seem to be going through one of those 'progressive incoming expense' modes at present and the player seems to be at the end of a long dark tunnel. Oh well, we've all been there!

"Heart" - now that is a blast from the past.

Silver Member

Username: Ghiacabriolet

NC

Post Number: 113
Registered: Apr-04

Posted on Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - 08:56 pm:

Today's Discovery:

Stopped by the music store on the way home and picked up 5 DVD-A and/or DTS discs. Three of the titles were only $10 each so I bought some titles I otherwise might not have gotten.

Got home and found myself disappointed in 4 of the 5....hmmmm...not sure if it is the music selection I made or the mood I'm in....I won't give negative feedback on any of them until I listen to them again.

After the aforementioned disappointments, I put in the Heart SACD. Cranked it up. Whoo-hoo!! Rock on!

Silver Member

Username: Myrantz

Post Number: 306
Registered: Feb-04

Posted on Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - 09:20 pm:

Ghia

I don't know if you're into Van Morrison, if you're not and don't mind him I recommend you listen to "What's Wrong With This Picture." If you are a fan, and like jazz or jazz blues then just buy it - you'll be knocked out by this Blue Note release.

I don't know if it's available on the Hi Res formats, but even for CD, it's a truly excellent recording. Morrison, like good wine, is aging superbly and the musos are top notch.

Ben James

Silver Member

Username: Black_math

Post Number: 109
Registered: Dec-03

Posted on Thursday, May 27, 2004 - 09:41 am:

I think the Stones and Dylan remasters are excellent. They can be had for $13.99-16.99. I am really fone of "Nashville Skyline" by Dylan and "Aftermath" by the Stones. If you don't own much of the Stones catalog already "Let it Bleed" or "Hot Rocks" might be a better choice.

Silver Member

Username: Ghiacabriolet

NC

Post Number: 114
Registered: Apr-04

Posted on Thursday, May 27, 2004 - 05:15 pm:

MR,

I have several Van Morrison recordings....my favorite is Moondance. Will put your suggestion on my (ever growing) list. I'm pretty sure I've heard some tracks from your suggestion but I'm having a little trouble with the recall, right now. Thanks!

Ben,

"Nashville Skyline" is one that has been on my "need to get" list for a long time. When I do get it, I believe SACD is the way to go. I've been considering "Let it Bleed" on SACD since it is one of my faves.

A question for you guys... This occurred to me last night while listening but I didn't have time, er, inclination to investigate it (will do so if answer is unknown). Can the audio from DVD's be ripped to computer? I usually rip all my cd's to computer so I'll have them available for iPod. It occurred to me that if the DVD's cannot be ripped - then for albums I really like and want to have some portability - it would be necessary to buy on redbook cd, too? In this case, it would seem that hybrid SACD's would have a little of an edge over DVD-A.

It was interesting (to me anyway) that only 1 of 5 of the DVD-A's captivated me last night - compared to previous listening when SACD releases impressed me right off the bat. As previously mentioned, maybe my music selection was poor or maybe I wasn't in a mood....Will give those DVD-A's another listen to see if impressions change. The one DVD-A I bought that did please was the Buena Vista Social Club. Excellent!

Silver Member

Username: Myrantz

Post Number: 314
Registered: Feb-04

Posted on Thursday, May 27, 2004 - 05:23 pm:

Ghia

There's something about cd and dvd ripping going on in this thread:

http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/2/16456.html

Silver Member

Username: Myrantz

Post Number: 315
Registered: Feb-04

Posted on Thursday, May 27, 2004 - 05:26 pm:

Ghia or someone

I keeping reading in these threads about Redbook CD's. I haven't heard the term in Aus. Could you tell me the difference from an ordinary CD or what they are? Thanks

Silver Member

Username: Two_cents

Post Number: 204
Registered: Feb-04

Posted on Thursday, May 27, 2004 - 06:49 pm:

MR

"Redbook" is the standard for writing audio to a CD. All commercially sold CD is written in this format. A redbook CD can be played on every CD player. I think people use the term interchangably with ordinary CD to differentiate it from HDCD, SACD, and other "non-ordinary" CD formats.

Excuse me while I have my own Van Morrison moment: If anyone powerful at Time-Warner is reading this, please, please, please release a hi-res, multi-channel recording of "Astral Weeks." The album is meant for h-r m-c.

Silver Member

Username: Myrantz

Post Number: 316
Registered: Feb-04

Posted on Thursday, May 27, 2004 - 06:58 pm:

Two Cents

Thanks for clearing that up for me. I'll be able to sleep nights now (grin).

"Astral Weeks" that's one of his most outstanding recordings. I agree 2C, I'll want that one on hi-res too - just as soon as we get our universal player.

Sem

Silver Member

Username: Sem

Post Number: 106
Registered: Mar-04

Posted on Thursday, May 27, 2004 - 07:28 pm:

2c,

I only recently heard "Astral Weeks" at a friends house and thought is was VERY good. I agree, it would be fabulous to hear in hi-rez.

My son is home from college and working this summer at a local Time Warner. Somehow I don't think that he's in a powerful enough position :-)

We can always keep our fingers crossed that someone in TW with the decision making capability has the same idea.

Silver Member

Username: Ghiacabriolet

NC

Post Number: 118
Registered: Apr-04

Posted on Thursday, May 27, 2004 - 09:57 pm:

Thanks, MR! I posted my question about DVD-A ripping on that thread....hopefully, its the appropriate place to do so.

Update on the DVD-A disappointments I mentioned earlier. One of the recordings I got for $10 was Paul McCartney and Wings "Band on the Run". I'm not crazy about some of the multichannel effects - but, I do prefer the openness of the multichannel on this recording to the stereo mix. It seems to be a clean mix but I don't have anything to reference it to....this is my first time having this particular recording in any format. Upon second listen, I'm no longer disappointed.

Another disappointment that I re-evaluated is kd lang's "invincible summer". I'm still disappointed. The best thing about it is the Albert Camus quote in the liner: " in the depths of winter, I finally learned there lay an invincible summer..." The multichannel effect is very, very subtle....most of the mix is in the front 3 speakers. The songs are a disappointment too. There are 4-5 songs I really like....but overall, I'd like to have my $17 back on this one. If I can figure out a way to rip the songs I do like to CD, I think I'll sell this DVD-A back to the store where I bought it (they sell used DVD-A's too).

Another $10 DVD-A I bought was Barenboim's Beethoven Sym 4 & 5. I just don't like this recording - even after a second listen. This version of the 5th isn't as good as the version on Naxos done by Edlinger and Zagreb Philharmonic.

As I write, I'm re-evaluating Glen Phillip's "Abulum" - also a $10 DVD-A.....it seems to be faring better with me on this listen.

My other purchase Buena Vista Social Club is top-notch in the recording and the music! A definite recommendation.

Silver Member

Username: Myrantz

Post Number: 322
Registered: Feb-04

Posted on Friday, May 28, 2004 - 03:04 am:

Ghia

I have the "Buena Vista Social Club" on DVD-V. It is a documentry following Ry Cooder and his son as they travel through Cuba to re-discover the country's once great musicians who had disappeared almost into oblivion. As he locates one, it leads to another, and so on. It's enough to make you cry. I can't recall the names right now, but one of the old singers was found to be shining shoes for a living - and the pattern is similar for the others.

They all once had a dream - to play Carnegie Hall in New York. To see them realise it, thanks to Cooder was something else. These wonderful old musos are so into the music it's a special experience. And they also got to see and perform around the world. You can image their feeling.

Adam

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Username: Docdat

Copenhagen
Denmark

Post Number: 77
Registered: Apr-04

Posted on Friday, May 28, 2004 - 10:38 am:

My Rantz,

If you're still considering the DVD-2200/2900, check out the update to this thread:
http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/1/17140.html

Maybe someone with connections to Denon (Lorenzo?) could provide some answers to what this is about? If it is a worldwide issue, maybe you should wait a bit or make sure somehow, that you get a player with the modification done.

Silver Member

Username: Myrantz

Post Number: 324
Registered: Feb-04

Posted on Friday, May 28, 2004 - 04:59 pm:

Adam,

Thanks, yes I have been following. Our purchase is still a little down the track (recent expenses), so I'll be checking then.

Silver Member

Username: Two_cents

Post Number: 209
Registered: Feb-04

Posted on Friday, May 28, 2004 - 07:51 pm:

My Rantz, Sem, (and other Van Morrison fans),

For more insight into Astral Weeks, here's an article by Lester Bangs: http://www.maths.dundee.ac.uk/~sanderso/music/astralrev.html

Silver Member

Username: Ghiacabriolet

NC

Post Number: 135
Registered: Apr-04

Posted on Wednesday, June 02, 2004 - 06:05 pm:

MR,

I'm not sure if the video is on the Buena Vista Social Club DVD-A I have. I noticed when I had it running on the computer (trying to figure out how to rip audio tracks from it) there seemed to be some sort of video tracks on it. This is worth investigating based on your telling of their story. That is inspiring! I'm glad some of those musicians got to realize their dreams but I'm surprised Castro let them out of Cuba.

This reminds me of a recent feature on an organization called Buskaid which is a trust that funds a music school for youth in South Africa. Like the elderly Cubans, the students coming out of this school have gotten a rare opportunity to see and perform around the world. From what I heard of their playing (a string ensemble) in the report, they are quite talented. They are taught by a viola player, Rosemary Nalden, who left a cushy life in London to relocate to Soweto.

2c,

Thanks for the link to the Leter Bangs article. I was able to score a few points with my BF after mentioning it. See, a couple of months ago, we were discussing books and he made a recommendation on a book about Lester Bangs. Naively, I asked "who is Lester Bangs?" - which was greeted with complete silence and a sharp pang of visible disappointment on my BF's face. At least now I can say I've read something written by Lester Bangs. Maybe one day I'll read the book the BF recommended.

Ben James

Silver Member

Username: Black_math

Post Number: 114
Registered: Dec-03

Posted on Thursday, June 03, 2004 - 10:33 am:

I think Astral Weeks is a great album, but I also know that Lester could also rave about some iffy albums (like Nico's "The Marble Index"). Nevertheless, Lester was a great read and a critic who wasn't afraid to tell you what he thought. I wish there were more like him.

Silver Member

Username: Two_cents

Post Number: 210
Registered: Feb-04

Posted on Thursday, June 03, 2004 - 01:20 pm:

Ghia,

I don't think the Buena Vista Social Club DVD-A would also include the film My Rantz recommended. The film is a full length documentary by Wim Wenders (director also of "Wings of Desire" and "Paris, Texas"). I agree with M.R.--the movie is a joy to watch from start to finish.

Re: Lester Bangs--Glad to have helped you score points with your beau. Might I suggest dropping a reference to Cream magazine next time for bonus points.

Ben,

Lester was no doubt eccentric, but you gotta admire his singularity. He wrote like there was no tomorrow. I haven't heard "The Marble Index," but once in while I like to play "Chelsea Girl." I don't know whether to laugh or cry when I listen to Nico. I guess that's what I like about her. (Just had a funny thought of her as a contestant on American Idol.) There's supposed to be a good, recently made documentary about her.

Sem

Silver Member

Username: Sem

Post Number: 116
Registered: Mar-04

Posted on Thursday, June 03, 2004 - 11:19 pm:

2c,

Thanks for the Astral Weeks link. Very interesting reading. I'll look for more of Lester Bangs' writings.

Ben James

Silver Member

Username: Black_math

Post Number: 117
Registered: Dec-03

Posted on Friday, June 04, 2004 - 09:11 am:

$.02...I like Chelsea Girl and the work she did with VU. Marble Index is completely different...Jandek comes to mind, but that isn't really a good comparison.

There are two books out there with his writings. Do an Amazon search under Lester Bangs. "I have Psycotic reactions...." It is a good read.

Silver Member

Username: Ghiacabriolet

NC

Post Number: 137
Registered: Apr-04

Posted on Friday, June 04, 2004 - 04:59 pm:

2c,

Thanks for the info on the Buena Vista Social Club DVD. Since both you and MR loved it, I'll have to seek it out as I trust the recommendations of you both.

Thanks for the Cream magazine suggestion....that's actually a little bit of pop culture I'm familiar with. :-)

Well, I'm off to the beach for the next 10 days! Cheers!

Silver Member

Username: Ghiacabriolet

NC

Post Number: 162
Registered: Apr-04

Posted on Saturday, June 26, 2004 - 05:43 pm:

2c,

I picked up Jolie Holland's "Escondida" cd today. Excellent! In a past post, I mentioned I heard one of the songs briefly on the radio and she reminded me of Erin Mckeown, vocally. After listening to the full cd (in a better listening environment than first time I heard her) I can say with certainty that Holland and McKeown are cut from the same cloth. Since you like Holland, I suggest McKeown's "Grand". I think you'll like it.

Also, picked up Beck's "Sea Change" DVD-A. Haven't listened to it yet. Will post impressions later.

Silver Member

Username: Two_cents

Post Number: 245
Registered: Feb-04

Posted on Sunday, June 27, 2004 - 11:37 pm:

Ghia,

I'm glad you liked "Escondida." I'll have to check out Erin McKeown's "Grand" or better yet go see her in person if she ever comes to the Bay Area. As I may have mentioned, I first heard Jolie Holland at a live show. There's nothing like live music, no matter how great one's audio equipment is. (I'd guess you'd agree that technology cannot replace real experience.) I just spent a weekend in SF, where I heard the SFO perform Mahler's "Resurrection" symphony (which was apt considering it was a day after my b-day). It sent chills down my spine, made my palms sweat, and brought tears to my eyes. I've never experienced that listening to the recording.

All the best.

Silver Member

Username: Kegger

MICHIGAN

Post Number: 559
Registered: Dec-03

Posted on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 - 02:06 am:

ghia i just recently picked up becks sea change dvd-a.

i am completly in love with that disk.

the music is incredable and very well recorded.

some might find the surround effects to much but
i enjoy it.

question for anyone who has listened to the pink
floyd (dsotm) sacd.

i find this recording to be flat/not very bright
or dynamic, just plain not very well recorded
compared to other dvd-a's or sacd's. the surround
effects are excelent but i don't find it very
"sparkly or shimmering" .

is it just me?

i know it's an old recording but i thought they
would spruce it up.

i would really appreciate seriuos feedback on this.
as i wonder if it's just my system,but everything
else sounds really good.

Silver Member

Username: Two_cents

Post Number: 246
Registered: Feb-04

Posted on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 - 11:44 am:

Kegger,

Have tried listening to it in an altered state?

All kidding aside, the 30th anniversary DSOTM sacd is one of the best surround sound rock recordings I've heard. I find the sound remarkable for a 30-year old recording and the clocks that open "Time" sound "sparkly and shimmering" to me. The sacd sounds comparable to the original vinyl edition, but with the added benefit of the 5.1 mix. Strangely Alan Parsons didn't do the surround mix.

There are early cd versions of DSOTM that sound horrible because the original master tapes weren't used. I'm fairly certain the original masters were used for the sacd version. There's someone on this board (Sem maybe) who has multiple versions of DSOTM and could probably say a lot more about the recording.

The only multi-ch rock recordings that I've heard that are better are Beck's "Sea Change" and Flaming Lips' YBTPR (both mixed by the same guy who mixed "Two Against Nature," which I haven't heard yet).

Silver Member

Username: Kegger

MICHIGAN

Post Number: 569
Registered: Dec-03

Posted on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 - 01:48 pm:

well i was a little tired last night.
i'll have to check it again tonight.

and i did compare it to becks sea change which
is an outstanding recording.that i had just listened to.

but i was unimpressed!
the surround and mix was excelent.

but i found myself wanting to increase the volume
and turn up the treble to make it sound like what
i was use to hearing."which of course i'm not going to do"

also the steely dan sacd gaucho sounded much better.

Silver Member

Username: Myrantz

Post Number: 424
Registered: Feb-04

Posted on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 - 04:27 pm:

Kegger

I have to agree with Two Cents. It is an old recording and Guthrie did use the original masters. I think he did well with the surrounds and yet keep things close to the original. Here is a review I had previously posted elsewhere:

http://www.highfidelityreview.com/reviews/review.asp?reviewnumber=19939611

Maybe we all hear things differently or we have different expectations, but DSOTM to me is superb, though I do like it loud.

BTW, Neill Young's "Greendale" is my favourite hi res disc at present. Heavy, relaxing, haunting with great use of distortion and feedback. Like rock was and should be!

Silver Member

Username: Kegger

MICHIGAN

Post Number: 582
Registered: Dec-03

Posted on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 - 07:58 pm:

never mind it was just me.

i was a little tired last night and forgot/didn't
notice i was on 2 channel input with dtsneo6 on.
uuuhhhhhh yyyyaaaaahhhhhh!!!!!! that didn't work!

anyways dsotm sounds great/excelent, still not as
good as the beck dvd-a but then again that is an
extemely well recorded disk.

Silver Member

Username: Ghiacabriolet

NC

Post Number: 164
Registered: Apr-04

Posted on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 - 09:14 pm:

Kegger,

I'll join the DSOTM bandwagen because I think it is excellent too. Like 2c, the clocks jump right out and are very bright to me. Right now, it is my favorite surround mix of the discs I have.

I still haven't listened to Sea Change yet. Before I went on vacation, I had disconnected the rear speakers so my BF could run the speaker wires under the house (crawling around under the house is something I cannot bring myself to do so the BF occasionally shows some chivalry and does stuff like that for me) and up through the bookcases in the back so the wires would be hidden. I've been too lazy to strip them and put banana plugs back on to reconnect the speakers. Maybe I'll get this done one day this week.

2c,

Glad to hear you had such a terrific experience at the SFO performance! One of these days I'm going to go to a symphonic performance. Happy belated b-day! Hope it was a good one!

Silver Member

Username: Kegger

MICHIGAN

Post Number: 594
Registered: Dec-03

Posted on Thursday, July 01, 2004 - 09:57 am:

Ghia i am very interested in your oppinions of the
sea change disk.

when you get a chance to listen i'd love to hear
your report.

JOHN S

Silver Member

Username: John_s

Columbus, Ohio
US

Post Number: 152
Registered: Feb-04

Posted on Thursday, July 01, 2004 - 10:57 pm:

Two Cents:
We've dicussed the Mahler 2 before, so you know my feelings on the subject. Michael Tilson Thomas conducting? What about the hall, whatever it's called? On trips out West I've driven by it but didn't have time to see it. Who were the soloists? Other impressions about the performance? Can you tell I'm green with envy? Belated birthday greetings. :-)

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Username: Two_cents

Post Number: 248
Registered: Feb-04

Posted on Friday, July 02, 2004 - 02:01 pm:

John S.

MTT conducted, the soloists were Isabel Bayrakdarian (soprano) and Lorraine Hunt Lieberson (mezzo). IB was good, but LHL's performance was one to remember. It's hard to explain, but she has a big voice that also sounds vulnerable, which is perfect for this work. The violins were split to the left and right with the cellos on the (audience's left). I counted 11 French horns, not including the horns off stage. There was a massive percussion section and an organ that shook the hall. It was the most visceral classical music concert I've ever attended, felt with the heart, mind, and body. I think it was due to the combination of the size/force of the orchestra and chorus and the music itself. The orchestra played brilliantly and passionately. At times, the fear and anxiety imbued in the music seemed palpable (hence the sweaty palms). MTT also conducted with passion. A couple times he came close to throwing himself off the podium. The only critical thing I have to say is that MTT chose some extreme tempos for some passages. When the recording comes out you can hear for yourself. I'm looking forward toward the recording, realizing it won't capture the power of the live performance, even on SACD. FYI, next in the MTT/SFSO Mahler cycle is the 9th this fall. If you find yourself near SF, it's definitely worth going.

The concerts are at Davies Hall. The acoustics are good, not as good as Orchestra Hall in Detroit, but much better than Dorothy Chandler Pavilion in LA (the only two halls I'm familiar enough to compare it too).

Silver Member

Username: Ghiacabriolet

NC

Post Number: 168
Registered: Apr-04

Posted on Saturday, July 03, 2004 - 11:52 am:

Kegger,

Listened to the Beck "Sea Change". My initial impression was "Wow!".......at least until it crashed. The first track plays flawlessly. The second track starts playing and a couple of minutes into it, I was thinking 2C and Kegger were right, this is incredible. But then at the 5:25 mark, it stopped abruptly. I checked the player and you could hear the disk spinning but, it couldn't be stopped nor could the door be opened. I had to power it off.

After powering it back on, I skipped the first track and started the second one. It got past the 5:25 mark but crashed again a minute or two later. This time I was able to stop it. When I started playing again, I tried to skip to track 3 and it would get to that point but would not play. I could not advance it past track 3. Plus, it then froze again and I had to power the Denon down again.

I'm currently trying it again. Got through track 1 ok and so far its playing track 2 without error.

When it plays, it is simply outstanding!!

OK....it got through track2 but is now stuck trying to go to track 3....and the display just went to "no play". I think it is time for a trip to the store to exchange it.

Kegger, do you know of any firmware updates for the Denon 2200?

I have to say from what I have been able to hear this is an outstanding recording/mix! I have the stereo HDCD version which "used to be" great but, the multichannel is definitely superior. My Rantz, if you don't have it yet, it is highly recommended by 2C, Kegger, and me!

Silver Member

Username: Kegger

MICHIGAN

Post Number: 633
Registered: Dec-03

Posted on Saturday, July 03, 2004 - 12:39 pm:

GHIA I AM SORRY TO HEAR YOUR PROBLEM WITH THAT
DISK BUT NO I HAVE NO FIRMWARE TO REPORT.

dam caps button!

at this moment i don't really have a need for a
firmware upgrade.

there is no store bought disk my player has an
issue with. infact my old scratchy messed up cd's
that have problems on other players work just
fine on this player!

I would exchange it for another one!
you probably just have a bad disk. any other disk
problems?

the only issue i have is burnt dvd's.

and i am so glad you find that disk as amazing as i do!

freeeeeeking incredable.

now you can probably see what i meant by the pink
floyd not sounding so sparkly/shimmering or whatever
you want to use.

don't get me wrong after a relisten the dsotm disk
is excelent it's just that beck is unbelievable.

i'm sure you will but do yourself a favor and get
that disk replaced as soon as possable and start
enjoying it.i can't say anymore about it.

to me it's just insane that disk is so clear and
the music is just as good. aawwwwsssooommmee!!!!

Silver Member

Username: Kegger

MICHIGAN

Post Number: 634
Registered: Dec-03

Posted on Saturday, July 03, 2004 - 01:24 pm:

ghia.

i just thought of something.

have your tv on so you can see the menu.
if you put that beck disk in and press enter on
surround it brings up the song list. from there
you pick what song you want to start from. if you
start from say 4 or maybe 5 you might be able to
get past the bad section and at least listen to
some more of the disk until you replace it.

Silver Member

Username: Ghiacabriolet

NC

Post Number: 170
Registered: Apr-04

Posted on Saturday, July 03, 2004 - 09:55 pm:

Kegger,

No, I did not have the TV on. I'll try that when I get back in town. I did go by the store to replace it and they don't have it back in stock. It's on order and should be in this week so I'll go back and exchange it then. This is the first time I've had any problems playing discs through the Denon.

DSOTM had been my favorite surround disc until I heard Sea Change. The music is so atmospheric and is perfect for multichannel. And the mix is definitely the best I've heard.

Aimee Mann's "lost in space" would have been a good candidate for surround sound. It's pretty atmospheric and has a lot of effects going on that would probably be brought out in a surround mix. Alas, it is only a stereo SACD. But, it still sounds great! If you like Beck, you might like this disc, too.

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Username: Kegger

MICHIGAN

Post Number: 642
Registered: Dec-03

Posted on Sunday, July 04, 2004 - 02:34 am:

I know! becks sea change to me would not be the same
in 2 channel. it was clearly meant for multi.
it's also so incredably recorded that i now feel
cheated when listening to others sometimes.

and i had meant to mention aimee mann to you awhile back.

I was playing some of my older cd's through the
speakers i was building and wanted some different
types of music including female voices to get the
tweeter just right. and i stuck in my til tuesday
disk, i'm not even sure why but i looked at the
cd insert and hey low and behold aimee mann lead
singer.

i heard you mention her several times without even
realizing she sang on one of my disks.

i truly do love her voice and i have to admit my
liking her voice is partly to do with how hot she
sounds "sorry for that" but i find her voice so
passionate.(i know another m.s.p. i admit it)

but hey i'm just being truthful and telling it how
i feal. "can you forgive me" but that voices carry
song, every time i hear it i picture the video.
i would deinatly like to check out more of her
work. but lately i've been trying to fill out the
surround disk collection.

if you like steely dan i just picked up 2 against nature.
on dvd-a and it is very well recorded also. i think
it was either rantz or 2c that suggested it. and
it's done by the same guy that did becks sea change.

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Username: Ghiacabriolet

NC

Post Number: 171
Registered: Apr-04

Posted on Sunday, July 04, 2004 - 12:15 pm:

Kegger,

No need to apologize for feeling an attraction. I suppose if I were a guy I'd be attracted to her too. But, for me, the attraction is to the voice (much better now than the 'til Tuesday days), the music and the lyrics - particularly for her solo work. I don't listen to much of the 'til Tuesday work, except for the last TT album, "Everything's Different Now". And, that title pretty much is a "label" for how she has evolved. Her work now is very different from the TT days.

I tried using the video menu to navigate the Beck DVD-A and found that I could move past song 3 on the menu but it still won't play anything beyond the first two songs. Hopefully, Manifest will get it back in stock this week as I'm anxious to hear it.

In the meantime, I picked up an SACD of Benjamin Zander conducting Mahler's 5th Symphony. It is excellent! The liner notes is one of the best explanations of a work that I've seen in my small classical library. Additionally, this SACD has a second disk with Zander explaining the movements of the symphony. I haven't had a chance to listen to it yet but it looks like it could be very helpful to a novice such as myself.

Mahler rocks! Hehehe...really, the 5th symphony is astounding to me. There is so much going on. This is not one that would put you to sleep - despite its length. And there are passages that will give the subwoofer a workout.

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Username: Kegger

MICHIGAN

Post Number: 647
Registered: Dec-03

Posted on Sunday, July 04, 2004 - 01:09 pm:

ghia do you know of or there any multichannel
aimee mann recordings?

that's unfortunate about the beck.

and the classical stuff if you go over to "your
thread"
plunging into multi channel you can see what i
picked up yesterday.

i love that everyone is posting there experiences
with the music they enjoy.

you can just go through these posts and pick out
all kinds of music.

good solid review of those disks when i get a chance
or the inclination to buy more i will look at those.

i find it very interesting that it seems yourself
and people like myself once you get a better sounding
system your whole outlook on what music sounds good
to you can change.

i think sometimes it's actually not that we like
the music so much but what it makes our systems
sound like. "is that possable ?"