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Thread: DLS Iridium 8.3 comps, CDT ES-643, Focal 165VR3 |
    
New member Username: Miked56
Alexandria,
VA
USA
Post Number: 9
Registered: Feb-08
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| Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2008 - 08:26 pm: |
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Well, it looks like I got screwed on eBay on my speaker purchase so I'm in the market for speakers, AGAIN.
What do you all think about the items listed above? I can get all for about the same price, 450-500, new.
Help please
Thanking you in advance
Mike |
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Gold Member Username: Adddisorder
Palm Beach,
Florida
Post Number: 5991
Registered: Jan-06
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| Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2008 - 09:18 pm: |
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i would go with dls iv heard good things about them. |
Silver Member Username: Ewok
Fairbanks,
Alaska
U.S.A.
Post Number: 103
Registered: Jan-08
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| Posted on Friday, February 29, 2008 - 05:43 am: |
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id go with focal 165, because i know how they sound and it producec great quality, i havent heard the other two brand but you can give them a try, i heard good things about them too |
New member Username: Miked56
Alexandria,
VA
USA
Post Number: 10
Registered: Feb-08
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| Posted on Friday, February 29, 2008 - 10:08 pm: |
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Thanks all. I bought the DLS's. |
Silver Member Username: Ewok
Fairbanks,
Alaska
U.S.A.
Post Number: 105
Registered: Jan-08
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| Posted on Saturday, March 01, 2008 - 04:23 am: |
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congratz, enjoy the new sound |
Bronze Member Username: Miked56
Alexandria,
VA
USA
Post Number: 11
Registered: Feb-08
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| Posted on Saturday, March 01, 2008 - 08:01 am: |
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Thanks ewok |
Gold Member Username: Adddisorder
Palm Beach,
Florida
Post Number: 6003
Registered: Jan-06
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| Posted on Saturday, March 01, 2008 - 12:59 pm: |
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good choice |
Silver Member Username: Ewok
Fairbanks,
Alaska
U.S.A.
Post Number: 107
Registered: Jan-08
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| Posted on Sunday, March 02, 2008 - 02:21 am: |
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welcome bro, |
New member Username: Max_killer
Cherniwzi,
Ukraine
Ukraine
Post Number: 4
Registered: Apr-08
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| Posted on Sunday, April 06, 2008 - 11:32 am: |
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dls best.
Nobelium 8.2 + midrange iridium !!!!! My friends system |
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New member Username: Drumheadz
Post Number: 1
Registered: Apr-08
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| Posted on Sunday, April 06, 2008 - 04:08 pm: |
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Nice to see folks enyoy swedish Speakers i have a couple of Iridium 3" mids if someone needs they are by far the best choice for mid applications Lots of competition winners here in sweden/europe use them!.. Will trade for a old school Zapco amp if anyone have one lying around? Excuse my bad english!.. Im swedish you know !! ; )) |
Platinum Member Username: Van_man
Boston South,
MA
Post Number: 3799
Registered: Mar-06
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| Posted on Sunday, April 06, 2008 - 09:19 pm: |
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Dag, I emailed you back about the zapco.. Sorry sold. |
Bronze Member Username: Miked56
Alexandria,
VA
USA
Post Number: 16
Registered: Feb-08
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| Posted on Sunday, April 06, 2008 - 11:15 pm: |
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I think you have it wrong, with all due respect. DLS is Swedish. Manufacturing is an open Q but the company is definitely Swedish.
From the DLS web site
"All R&D are made in our head office in Gothenburg – Sweden by Dawid Koniarski and Mats Andersen"
Their contact info
DLS Svenska AB
P.O. Box 13029
SE-402 51 Göteborg
Sweden
Telefon +46 31 840060
Fax +46 31 844021 |
New member Username: Drumheadz
Post Number: 2
Registered: Apr-08
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| Posted on Monday, April 07, 2008 - 01:51 am: |
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I agre is definiely swedish i shuld know where im workin  |
New member Username: Drumheadz
Post Number: 3
Registered: Apr-08
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| Posted on Monday, April 07, 2008 - 01:54 am: |
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And i can tell you guys a secret the driver basket/Voicecoil is a Israeli konstruktion "Morel" but the cones are of swedish design/construktion |
Silver Member Username: Exige
Cincinnati
Post Number: 228
Registered: Nov-07
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| Posted on Monday, April 07, 2008 - 02:19 am: |
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There's two things to note. DLS has never "designed" their own products. Their amps were built by Genesis. DLS had them reverse-engineered and sent to the Far East. Their comps were built by Morel. Again, they were reverse engineered and brought East. This still holds true today, amp designs and speakers are as they were before.
On most DLS boxes, you'll find a nice little sticker that says "Made in Taiwan." I highly doubt you'll find a "Made in Sweden" sticker anywhere near their boxes. They can say "Designed in Sweden" if they want (although I don't think that holds much truth at all with other companies designing their products), however "Made in Sweden" does not apply. All that applies is that they are a Swedish owned company, headquartered in Sweden.
The only speakers (that I know of) currently produced by a Swedish buildhouse are CDT. CDT is headquartered in Buellton, CA....but the owner (Kenneth Persson) and the employees are all Swedish. Call CDT and check out the accents in the voices when they pick up if you don't believe me
There's not too many companies that produce the high-end products in their European or American buildhouses anymore. Here's just a few, there's plenty more we could talk about though.
Coming out of the same buildhouse in Taiwan:
JL Audio
Rainbow Audio
Arc Audio
Zapco
Other products made in Taiwan:
Rockford (and all its brands)
Nakamichi
Zed Audio
Korea:
All Zenon-built amplifiers: RD Audio, Sundown Audio, etc.
I could go on and on....but the point here is very simple. There's a few people out there who buy speakers because a company tries to use their name and country connection to sell them. This is notable with DLS, among others (US Amps-->China, etc). In my opinion, this is a pretty misleading advertising attempt. For all that anybody knows, DLS is from Sweden....but once you check that amp box...it's built right in Taiwan.
To be fair and fully honest (this is not a "CDT is great" thread, afterall)...CDT's EF, HD, and ES lines are built in Sweden. The CL line is built in China.
Everything is not as it seems in the audio world these days. There's a LOT of bullsh!t that you have to read though to get anywhere. |
Silver Member Username: Exige
Cincinnati
Post Number: 230
Registered: Nov-07
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| Posted on Monday, April 07, 2008 - 09:19 am: |
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Sorry I mispoke, Zed is still US-built AFAIK. |
New member Username: Drumheadz
Post Number: 5
Registered: Apr-08
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| Posted on Monday, April 07, 2008 - 12:00 pm: |
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And you are wrong about the amps true earlier we had Genesis to build the amps.The cheaper Classic series and Reference series are Asian massprodukts designed in asia the A-series are Designed in sweden and built in Taiwan and are NOT a Genesis construktion. Sure they look alike on the outside but open one up and its clear. I have a Genesis Fourchannel amp in my car and they sound better than any of DLS amps PS:excuce my bad English im swedish you know |
Diamond Member Username: Bestmankind
Los Angeles,
CA
USA
Post Number: 20067
Registered: Oct-05
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| Posted on Monday, April 07, 2008 - 12:10 pm: |
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dls over focal anyday. unless you get that $3000 focal. lol.
exige audio, mmats is still built in us. |
Silver Member Username: Exige
Cincinnati
Post Number: 231
Registered: Nov-07
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| Posted on Monday, April 07, 2008 - 12:54 pm: |
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I'm still digging around, I've been quite intrigued by this topic. However, one thing has become very clear. Nobody really has a clue what they're talking about anymore, my sources included I believe. The only pages I will continue to trust are the actual buildhouse's websites which list what manufacturers they build for.
So for that, I will not make any more statements here as they could easily be pure speculation. What I am certain of is this:
CDT's EF, HD, and ES lines are built in Sweden.
JL's lines are built in Taiwan/China.
DLS's lines are built in Taiwan/China.
Mmats and Audiopulse/TC Sounds are built in the US.
Zed is built in the US.
All Zenon-built amps are from Korea.
McIntosh is made in the US.
Tru's Billet series is made in the US.
Sinfoni and Audison are built in Italy.
Helix and Brax are built in Germany.
Arc is built in Taiwan. |
Diamond Member Username: Bestmankind
Los Angeles,
CA
USA
Post Number: 20094
Registered: Oct-05
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| Posted on Monday, April 07, 2008 - 09:33 pm: |
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ok just got home and looked at the box my dls speakers came in. it says product of sweden. |
Gold Member Username: The_image_dynamic
San Diego, California
Post Number: 3710
Registered: Dec-06
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| Posted on Monday, April 07, 2008 - 09:45 pm: |
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All of CDT's drivers are produced by Vifa of Denmark and modified (silkscreened dustcaps and stickers placed on magnets) in Sweden. If this means made in Sweden to you then go with it. |
Silver Member Username: Exige
Cincinnati
Post Number: 233
Registered: Nov-07
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| Posted on Monday, April 07, 2008 - 10:19 pm: |
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The basket used on the HD-6 midrange and ES-6 midrange are a Vifa basket that's been in use for years. The rest of the driver is CDT's. Find me an ES-02, ES-06+, ES-06 or any other driver in Vifa's lineup. You won't find it cause it's not built by them. The former ES-01 was a direct copy of a Vifa tweeter.
The frame used on the two mids mentioned and the ES-01 are the only connections to Vifa. |
Gold Member Username: The_image_dynamic
San Diego, California
Post Number: 3712
Registered: Dec-06
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| Posted on Tuesday, April 08, 2008 - 12:34 am: |
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Vifa M18WO09
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Silver Member Username: Exige
Cincinnati
Post Number: 234
Registered: Nov-07
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| Posted on Tuesday, April 08, 2008 - 01:34 am: |
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I stated the basket was a Vifa basket. The basket on the speaker you've presented isn't even the same one as CDT. Notice the jointed spokes. CDT's basket uses straight spokes.
Specs on the driver you've presented:
Sensitivity: 87.5 dB
Qms: 6.70
Qes: .39
Qts: .37
Fs: 35hZ
Vas: 28.5 L
Moving Mass: 17.5g
Bl: 7.5
ES-6
Sensitivity: 89 dB
Qms: 2.89
Qes: .472
Qts: .406
Fs: 52hZ
Vas: 16.02 L
Moving Mass: 13.3g
Bl: 5.54
HD-6
Sensitivity: 93.1 dB
Qms: 2.68
Qes: .56
Qts: .46
Fs: 78.5hZ
Vas: 11.79 L
Moving Mass: 9.11g
Bl: 5.03
The driver you've presented is not a CDT driver at all.
My challenge still exists since you believe all CDT drivers are rebadged Vifa drivers. Find me a driver from Vifa that shares any similarities with the ES-06, ES-06+, ES-02.
I'm not here to hide anything. I'm completely open about the fact the ES-01 was a copy of a Vifa tweeter. It's an extremely popular tweeter today. M&K is one other manufacturer that has also used that tweeter. I have openly stated that the basket used on the HD and ES mid is a Vifa basket. But if you're gonna spread myths about the brand, I'll be happy to defend what is true. So far all that you've done is present a picture of a driver and make claims. The picture you've presented as evidence doesn't even match up to a CDT driver. You have absolutely no facts to back anything up of what you're saying. Present some facts and I'm happy to talk about it. Prove me wrong. Prove to me that CDT has been hiding info about the drivers from me all these years and I've believed every word of it. I can swallow my pride if need be. But so far you haven't put anything on the table yet. |
Gold Member Username: The_image_dynamic
San Diego, California
Post Number: 3715
Registered: Dec-06
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| Posted on Tuesday, April 08, 2008 - 01:40 pm: |
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Email from CDT Apr 8, 2008 7:34 AM:
NONE of our products are Vifa
John,
CDT support
I stand corrected. |
Gold Member Username: Van_man
Boston South,
MA
Post Number: 3815
Registered: Mar-06
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| Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2008 - 08:52 am: |
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Hey Dag, Check out the Zapco Forum for sale area. Usually a few there too.
Interesting thread guys. Morel seems to supplie a few drivers to a few diffrent companies then? PG TI has them. |
