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New member Username: Rickjames42
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Registered: Jan-08
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| Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 12:35 pm: |
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Ok I have a choice between a 12 inch type r or a 15 inch cvr. When I was looking at there specs the alpine can handle more power but would the 15 be louder? Also which of the two subwoofers would sound better with more clarity. I listen to anthing from red hot chilli peppers to young joc so it cant just sound good for bassy songs. I want to power them with either a hifonics amp or a crunch amp. |
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Platinum Member Username: Wingmanalive
A pic is worth
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Post Number: 12596
Registered: Jun-06
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| Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 12:39 pm: |
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Crunch? |
New member Username: Rickjames42
Post Number: 2
Registered: Jan-08
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| Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 12:48 pm: |
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is crunch bad? |
Gold Member Username: Big_edge_head
Milwaukee,
Wisconsin
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Post Number: 1184
Registered: Mar-07
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| Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 12:49 pm: |
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I dont have experience with either of them, but yes the 15 will be louder. more cone area. It also depends on the box for what will sound better. |
Gold Member Username: Big_edge_head
Milwaukee,
Wisconsin
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Post Number: 1185
Registered: Mar-07
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| Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 12:51 pm: |
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crunch is made by maxxsonics. They also make mb quart, hifonics, and autotek. There crunch stuff is kind of there cheap stuff. Its not really recommended. |
New member Username: Rickjames42
Post Number: 3
Registered: Jan-08
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| Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 12:53 pm: |
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would the 15 sound clearer or the alpine |
Gold Member Username: Big_edge_head
Milwaukee,
Wisconsin
MY SUB...
Post Number: 1186
Registered: Mar-07
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| Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 12:57 pm: |
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If i had to choose between the two, i would take the alpine because i dont care for kicker subs that much. JMO. |
Gold Member Username: Tatonka
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Post Number: 1373
Registered: Mar-07
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| Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 01:16 pm: |
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Go with the Type R in a correctly built box. Not too much of a keeker fan.
As far as crunch goes, I heard their new stuff stepped up a little bit and actually does rated power, but I could be wrong. If you want budget, a Hifonics would be decent, but only if you are on a budget. |
New member Username: Rickjames42
Post Number: 4
Registered: Jan-08
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| Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 01:19 pm: |
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Im not exatly on a tight budget I just dont want to spend alot of money. What amps would be good to power each sub? Also are L7s any good? |
Silver Member Username: Boomtank
Rochester,
NY
USA
Post Number: 484
Registered: Oct-06
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| Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 01:34 pm: |
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If you just want it to be loud and don't care how it sounds L7's are the way to go. If you want any sound quality at all then don't get kicker L5 or L7's |
Gold Member Username: Mj23dynasty
Some where 12 wangin o...,
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Post Number: 1088
Registered: Oct-07
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| Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 01:39 pm: |
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L7's are great for SPL.
SPL = Loudness
SQL= half loudness half sound qaulity
SQ= sound qaulity
L7's build qaulity is questionable but in the right box and a good install L7's get extremely loud if u have the power to move them.
X2 on the alpine my friend has 2 12" and they bring the pain!. I would take the type R over the CVR everyday and twice on sundays lol |
Silver Member Username: Philly306
After 194dBs your car ...,
North carolina
Post Number: 796
Registered: Apr-07
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| Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 01:45 pm: |
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"L7's build qaulity is questionable but in the right box and a good install L7's get extremely loud if u have the power to move them"
lmfao so now you examen the "build" of subs
sorry dwight but reading stuff online doesn't make it true. im sure there are plenty of people that would disagree and say the l7s are very well built. i dont like them but please don't just repeat stuff you've read online |
Gold Member Username: Mj23dynasty
Some where 12 wangin o...,
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Post Number: 1089
Registered: Oct-07
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| Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 01:51 pm: |
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Uhhh phil actually get ur facts straight as a previous owner of 2 10" L7s ported and more recently 3 8" L5's I would know about their build qaulity so stfu. Maybe u should ask first instead of assuming tht way u won't look like an azz! Thanx |
Silver Member Username: Philly306
After 194dBs your car ...,
North carolina
Post Number: 797
Registered: Apr-07
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| Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 01:55 pm: |
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how would you know anything about the build quality of a subwoofer? Im sure the designers at Stillwater would have to disagree with you. |
Bronze Member Username: Loudass
Toad suck park,
Ak
Post Number: 31
Registered: Dec-07
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| Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 02:00 pm: |
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go with the kicker if you want to be loud. alpine if you want more sq. remember at least half of your sq is the box not the speaker |
Gold Member Username: Mj23dynasty
Some where 12 wangin o...,
The Mighty J...
USA
Post Number: 1090
Registered: Oct-07
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| Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 02:04 pm: |
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Maybe because I had mine installed by the best car audio place in the area. And I was giving them between 500-600 RMS a piece and one of them just stop working one day I hacent messed with the gain or messed with the sub/HU or amp at all it just stopped working correctly. One would hit hard and the other would hit very soft I took it in the said something ripped tinsel lead or spider or something I dnt remember that was almost a year ago. So I ditched them. now are u happy stop starting sh1t wit me u just want to argue! I have owner L5's and L7's. I had no prollems with the L5's I was happy with them and the L7's I owned 1 of them blew I think tht gives me enough reason to say the build qaulity is "questionable". Ok now stfu and leave me alone phil d4mn. |
Silver Member Username: Nickyp0219
Post Number: 372
Registered: Jun-06
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| Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 02:06 pm: |
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guys, lets not get into some bullsh*t arguement about something off topic. The guy had a specific question, type r or cvr, not L7. I have no say in your conversation even having had an L7, i didnt examine its build quality so either one of you could be right.
Stick to the question that way we can all be happy  |
Gold Member Username: Mj23dynasty
Some where 12 wangin o...,
The Mighty J...
USA
Post Number: 1091
Registered: Oct-07
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| Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 02:09 pm: |
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And of course the designers would disagree??? Who's going to build a project that's supposedly the next big thing (sqaure woofer) and top of the line (L7) and then say "well the build qaulity sucks". Nobody so shut up ur not making much sense u sound like an idiot that's picking an e fight |
Gold Member Username: Mj23dynasty
Some where 12 wangin o...,
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Post Number: 1092
Registered: Oct-07
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| Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 02:11 pm: |
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Exactly what I'm thinking nick like I said and others said. Alpine over the cvr. IMO |
Silver Member Username: Philly306
After 194dBs your car ...,
North carolina
Post Number: 798
Registered: Apr-07
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| Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 02:12 pm: |
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don't feel all hurt now dwight. but i highly doubt kicker is going to put out a sh!tty product. im not a big fan of kicker but they have proved they know what they are doing.
oh btw dwight don't know if anyone told you but i was your secret santa
to the thread
i would prefer the type r |
Gold Member Username: Mj23dynasty
Some where 12 wangin o...,
The Mighty J...
USA
Post Number: 1093
Registered: Oct-07
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| Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 02:23 pm: |
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Well I already said thank u for tht but I'm not going to take ur sh1t bcuz of tht I didn't say anything wrong and u started comin at me for no reason. I've been making useful posts today and still no respect from any1. What does it take for u guys to get off my case.
Well search the net and see how many L7 problems there are.
This was a question of opinion I gave mine and u didn't agree so u started makin fun of my opinion w/o getting the info behind my opinion first that's my only problem with u bud nothing personal I'm just sick of every1 tlkin sh1t on me especially when I've been making useful posts and not non sense ones like every1 complains about.
So sorry if I offended u thanx for the secret santa gift to again didn't get to use it yet but I will soon. |
Gold Member Username: Bnd_rulez
Phoenix,
AZ
USA
Post Number: 1185
Registered: Mar-05
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| Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 02:49 pm: |
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I have a type R and really like it.
What is your budget? Maybe we can upgrade for a few extra bucks.
As for Crunch goes, the new "GP" series I believe is supposed to do rated power. Ask Joey De Salvo as he knows more about them then I do. |
Silver Member Username: Drant19
DUB-C,
TX
Post Number: 219
Registered: Aug-07
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| Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 02:57 pm: |
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ya post a budget. maybe the type-r is the best for you, maybe its not. but with a budget we can give you better options |
Silver Member Username: Dsmith07
NC
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Post Number: 767
Registered: Jun-06
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| Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 07:44 pm: |
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speak of the devil dwight FTW! LOL
http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/4/437388.html |
Gold Member Username: Ctmike
Ct.
Post Number: 5723
Registered: Feb-06
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| Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 08:01 pm: |
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damn, and i was hoping dwight was gone for good. |
Gold Member Username: Mj23dynasty
Some where 12 wangin o...,
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Registered: Oct-07
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| Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 08:15 pm: |
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hahaha thts funny as he11 well the proof is in the pudding. And ctmike my nutz. . . ur mouth. . . Never liked ur b1tch a55. Anyways good lookin out derek thts just more proof to an already proven topic |
Silver Member Username: Dsmith07
NC
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Post Number: 768
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| Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 08:23 pm: |
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yea well they do ride ur d!ck pretty hard |
Gold Member Username: Mj23dynasty
Some where 12 wangin o...,
The Mighty J...
USA
Post Number: 1101
Registered: Oct-07
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| Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 08:38 pm: |
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yea well i have made my fair share of stupid threads but they never forgive and forget around here even on days like today where ive did nothing but make helpful posts they still hate on me idc bcuz i can take it |
Gold Member Username: Insearchofbass
Post Number: 7597
Registered: Jun-04
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| Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 08:53 pm: |
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ok everyone vented now we can all get along |
Gold Member Username: Nd4spd18
Northwest PA
Post Number: 5628
Registered: Jul-06
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| Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 09:17 pm: |
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Everyone like to rip on dwight but you shouldn't be this time...... hes right here......... except I'd even say the square kicker's quality is worse than questionable. Those subs have one of the highest failures rates in the business, are cheaply made, and are probably THE most common type of woofer I see blown. |
Gold Member Username: Sinful_systems70
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| Posted on Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 09:38 pm: |
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"crunch is made by maxxsonics. They also make mb quart, hifonics, and autotek. There crunch stuff is kind of there cheap stuff. Its not really recommended"
X2!!!!!!!!!!!!  |
Gold Member Username: Ctmike
Ct.
Post Number: 5725
Registered: Feb-06
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| Posted on Monday, January 21, 2008 - 12:00 am: |
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"And ctmike my nutz. . . ur mouth. . . Never liked ur b1tch a55"
so, you want to put your nuts in a guys mouth? i always thought you were stupid and corny, but never knew you were ga_y until now. |
Gold Member Username: Denali_on_22s
Post Number: 3614
Registered: Feb-06
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| Posted on Monday, January 21, 2008 - 03:31 am: |
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Go with the R. Better build quality, probably as loud, and it will sound much better.
"What does it take for u guys to get off my case."
Leave. |
New member Username: Rickjames42
Post Number: 6
Registered: Jan-08
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| Posted on Monday, January 21, 2008 - 12:38 pm: |
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Ok so I think id like to go for the type R. Should I buy the 2 ohm or the 4 ohm I dont understand the difference. |
Gold Member Username: Bnd_rulez
Phoenix,
AZ
USA
Post Number: 1205
Registered: Mar-05
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| Posted on Monday, January 21, 2008 - 03:27 pm: |
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Depends on what amp you get. |
New member Username: Rickjames42
Post Number: 7
Registered: Jan-08
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| Posted on Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - 10:00 am: |
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Ok so one last question here if I get two type R's in 4 ohms when I hook it up to a mono amp does the rms get cut in half because it is going to 2 speakers or does it stay the same. For example with a 1600rms amp would 800 rms be going to each speaker or would 1600 rms be going to each speaker and what would be a decent amp to use with two type R's. If anyone knows a really inexpensive car audio website for amps let me know. Sorry for all the questions if they seem dumb I have hardly any experience with this stuff and just wanna end up with a decent system. |
Bronze Member Username: Bonhamd
Northern,
Michigan
USA
Post Number: 87
Registered: Nov-07
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| Posted on Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - 10:12 am: |
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it all depends on the resistance. If your amp does 1600 in to 1 ohm, you would need two dual 4 subs to wire down to one ohm where each sub would get around 800 a piece. |
New member Username: Rickjames42
Post Number: 8
Registered: Jan-08
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| Posted on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 12:17 am: |
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I am sorry but I really dont understand what you just said lol. |
Gold Member Username: Shortysetnies
Rock Vegas,
NC
US
Post Number: 1743
Registered: Mar-06
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| Posted on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 12:48 am: |
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basically if your amp is rated at 800w rms at 2 ohms and you have one speaker wired to 2 ohms, it will recieve that 800w. If you have 2 speakers and they are wired together on that amp to a 2 ohm load, each speaker will see 400w.
Clear it up any? |
New member Username: Rickjames42
Post Number: 9
Registered: Jan-08
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| Posted on Thursday, January 24, 2008 - 12:34 am: |
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I just dont get what the difference between a 4 ohm and a 2 ohm speaker is and which is better? Or does it not really matter? |
Gold Member Username: Bernymac
Cambodia
Post Number: 3640
Registered: Sep-04
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| Posted on Thursday, January 24, 2008 - 12:57 am: |
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1 Dual VC subwoofer
You can wire it in two ways. Series, or parallel.
Series you add up the ohms so dual 4 (4+4 = 8ohms) The amp will provide power @ 8ohms.
In parallel, you wire positive to positive and neg to neg. And from one positive to the amp and one negative to the amp. By wiring it in parallel, you cut the resistance in half. The proper equation for this is:
(R*R)/(R+R)
Where:
R = Resistance
Example:
Dual 4
(4*4)/(4+4) > 16/8 = 2ohms |
Gold Member Username: Bernymac
Cambodia
Post Number: 3641
Registered: Sep-04
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| Posted on Thursday, January 24, 2008 - 01:05 am: |
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I just dont get what the difference between a 4 ohm and a 2 ohm speaker is and which is better?
There is no difference in terms of quality or which one is better. What you need to know is what amp you would like to use. Once you find out that the amp does the amount of power that you prefer to give the sub at a certain ohm load then you can choose the right model.
Example:
If you wanted to give the alpine type r 400rms. Find a amplifier in the 400rms range. Lets say you found a kicker zx400.1, and this amplifer puts out 400rms x 1 @ 2ohms <PAY ATTENTION THERE. By now, you will realize that you can only go with a Dual 4 Subwoofer, if you only run 1 subwoofer. A Dual 2 is out of the options unless you decide to run 2 subwoofers.
Also, go to www.bcae1.com . Very useful information there. |
New member Username: Rickjames42
Post Number: 10
Registered: Jan-08
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| Posted on Saturday, January 26, 2008 - 12:33 am: |
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OK and my last question is I am planning to hook all this up to my factory navigation on my vw gli and I was wondering am I going to have to cut any wires and could this possibly void any warrenty I have on my nav? My car has only like 4000 miles on it I really dont want my navigation to get muffed up this early lol. |
Gold Member Username: •cam•
BC
Canada
Post Number: 1754
Registered: Nov-06
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| Posted on Saturday, January 26, 2008 - 01:35 am: |
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Go Berny! |
