| Author |
Thread: Here is a topic for the newbies who dont know anything |
    
|
| Posted on Sunday, July 06, 2003 - 11:32 pm: |
|
This topic i guess is somewhat opinionated, but for newbies to the hobby, would be a good thing to refer to when buying equipment.
I've put this into three sections:
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Bad
-------------------------------------------------------------------
American HiFi (Rockwood)
American Pro
Audiovox
Boss
DHD
JDL
Jensen
Kenwood (speakers)
Kraco
Kronik
LA Sound
Legacy
Optimus
Planet Audio
Power Acoustik
Profile
Pyle
Pyramid
Rockwood
Sherwood
Sony (amplifiers, speakers)
Sound Storm
Sparkomatic
SPL Audio
Thump
Ultimate Sounds
Visonik
Volfenhag
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Moderate
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Alpine (amplifiers and speakers)
Audiobahn
Blaupunkt
Aiwa
Crunch
Hifonics
Hollywood
Kenwood (amplifiers, head units)
Lanzar
Lightning Audio
MA Audio
Matsui
MTX
Panasonic
Pioneer (amplifiers and speakers)
Precision Power (PPI) (newer amps)
Rockford Fosgate
Sony (HUs)
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Reccomended
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Altec Lansing
Alumapro
Ample Audio
Audio Development
Boston Acoustics
Cerwin Vega
Clarion
Crossfire
Crystal
Digital Designs (DD)
Directed (DEI)
Earthquake
Eaton
Helix
Illusion
Image Dynamics
Infinity
JBL (amplifiers)
JVC Digifine
Kicker
Lunar
MB Quart
Memphis Audio
MMATS
MTX (amplifiers)
Phoenix Gold (some models)
Polk Audio
Rockford Fosgate (some models)
Soundstream
USAcoustics
a/d/s
Adire
Alpine (head units, signal processors)
Arc Audio
Audax
Audio Control
Brax
Butler Audio
CD Technologies (CDT)
Diamond Audio
DynAudio
Eclipse (Fujitsu Ten)
Focal
Harrison Labs
Infinity Kappa
JL Audio
Kove
Luxman
McIntosh Laboratories
Morel
Nakamichi
Orion
OZ Audio
Pioneer Premiere
Precision Power (PPI) (Art & Power series amps, old)
Rainbow
Sinfoni
US Amps
Xtant
Zapco |
|
Relevant Product Info
|
|
Derek |
| Posted on Monday, July 07, 2003 - 11:51 am: |
|
That's a prety good list...
Good Job. |
Anonymous |
| Posted on Wednesday, July 09, 2003 - 10:13 pm: |
|
This list is semi-accurate but there are some major things wrong with it. |
|
| Posted on Thursday, July 10, 2003 - 12:39 am: |
|
like i said, everything is subject to opinion. this is my opinion of most brands, and if you dont like it, prove yourself. |
Anonymous |
| Posted on Thursday, July 10, 2003 - 10:55 pm: |
|
I have a question. You put Pioneer under moderate. I have 2 pioneer 15's. I was thinking of selling them to get a pair of RF Punch HX2's and a bandpass box, wise decision? |
joey |
| Posted on Monday, July 14, 2003 - 07:12 pm: |
|
I was lookin to buy 2 15" volfenhag subs and an amp, but im reconsidering it now after seeing your list, but before i do why do you rate them so low??? |
Drew S |
| Posted on Sunday, July 27, 2003 - 07:17 pm: |
|
hey, you put rockford fosgate in moderate catigory and said some models are reccomended. can you tell me what models are reccomended and which models would fall under the moderate catigory. i dont want to get the wrong rockford.
thanks |
Jof |
| Posted on Wednesday, July 30, 2003 - 12:27 pm: |
|
Add Audison to that list for amps. |
ADAM |
| Posted on Wednesday, July 30, 2003 - 12:31 pm: |
|
audiobahn under moderate. HAHAHAH |
|
|
Derek I. |
| Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 11:30 am: |
|
I'm sorry you guys... but I'm an idiot. There's no way I could possibly know what I'm talking about for each individual brand I have listed since I have never even seen most of them in real life. All I did was go down a price listing of various amps and subwoofers and then switched a few around here and there... Once again, I apologize for being such a moron. |
Anonymous |
| Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 02:14 pm: |
|
hey derek, i was looking to put some serious beat into a small civic coupe. could u recommend a setup for me (brand of subwoofers, amp, headunit, components, etc.)? price is not an issue. i want to have a very efficient system that causes earthquakes when i'm on the block. thanks. |
|
| Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 06:27 pm: |
|
that just shows how immature people have come to be these days. someone putting my name and insulting my for no reason. how cool are you?? yeah, anyways, on to helping people, the real reason im here.
well, im not too bad at recommending setups, but it will also depend on what kind of sound you want. it looks like u pretty much want spl so here we go.
subwoofers:
look into Resonant engineerings X.X.X series, they are completely crazy, and if you had 2, there is no way anyone else in your area would be louder.
same with Monsters DBX series, but you gotta realize that each of these subs is going for around 400 dollars apiece.
headunit: do you want mp3? dvd? for head units look into alpine, alpine makes some of the best head units on the market today.
if u dont wanna go with alpine look into eclipse, the quality of eclipse cannot be surpassed in most cases, you will be pleased.(alpine looks better though) 
for components, i'd recommend:
oz audios vector2 series components.
MMATS Pro series components.
Kove audio KC components.
Infinity Kappas will do fine too.
amps, i'd say JL 1000/1 since price is not an issue, or ARC audio amps are good too, if u want arc, look into the 1000.2T, its nice. you would be wanting 2-4 of those to run the subs that i've recommended by the way. those X.X.Xs need a lot of power
but they will cost ya again.
if you want the best amp you can get, look into the sinfoni 150.2 x. sinfoni makes some of the best amplifiers in the world, and you will get pure quality out of them for a lifetime.
for the components amp, i'd look into the US amps USX-4065, that will do just fine.
and by the way, whoever tried to insult be back there, saying i dont know anything, and i've had no experience.
1.i worked at car toys when i was 17-19(at 18 i started college and by the time i was 19 i was too into my studies to have a job any longer)
so yes, i have experience with most of the brands i've listed.
no, i havent heard dyaudio, butler, or mcintosh but i've heard enough about them to know they are some of the greatest equipment ever to be created.
do you want me to list off all of the speakers that i've owned? okay, i will.
American HiFi (Rockwood)
American Pro
Audiovox
Boss
DHD
Jensen
Kenwood
Legacy
Optimus
Planet Audio
Power Acoustik
Profile
Pyle
Pyramid
Rockwood
Sony (amplifiers, speakers)
Sound Storm
Thump
Visonik
Volfenhag
out of all those brands that were listed in my first post in the bad category, i have owned all of these listed here. most of them i acquired from customers who were upgrading or friends who did not have the need for a system any more. as for the other brands, i have owned a few by the same means as the bad brands, but most of my experience is from installs and such. I am now 24 years of age and a card carrying electrical engineer.
its cool if you have a contradictory opinion to my own, but dont go around and personally criticize me for my opinion when i am just trying to help the people that need it.
thx
have a good day
-Derek |
|
| Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 06:40 pm: |
|
yes adam, i put audiobahn under moderate, the lower end of audiobahns stuff isnt too good, but the high end stuff can be nice. so thats why i put it in the middle.
oh yeah, and by the way, how could i have gone down a price listing of amps and subwoofers? where could i find one of these? have you ever seen one? this list was carefully made with thought to it, so dont start b*tching at me for my opinion, which is a general starting point for people who need to get away from buying crap equipment like pyramid, boss, sony, and legacy, so if you think you have the right opinion, make your own list. |
Drexel |
| Posted on Friday, August 01, 2003 - 12:32 am: |
|
hey derek... what do you think about my decision to change from my visonik bandpass to an audiobahn bandpass? they're both around 170 on eBay, so I decided to switch to audiobahn since I thought it was a more respectable brand. Does the ABP12T dual 12" box from audiobahn fall into the "lower end" of audiobahn? And if so, do you think I'd still be better off with them instead of the Visonik dual 12" bandpass? I've heard that audiobahn needs a lot of power, but are people just talking about their higher end line of amps? I was intending on buying that audiobahn intake amp anyways. Thanks |
drex |
| Posted on Friday, August 01, 2003 - 12:38 am: |
|
by the way... if I ever blew my audiobahns in that bandpass box or got tired of them for whatever reason, do you think they could be easily replaced in that bandpass setup? Do you know of any other higher quality audiobahns that would accept that bandpass environment or any other quality bandpass suitable subs? |
jane |
| Posted on Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 02:06 am: |
|
hey derek, in your honest opinion should i get a pair of 12" punch hx2s or a pair of 12" infinity perfects? which has better sq? which has better spl? i hear good things about both so i can't decide which is better. thanks. |
|
| Posted on Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 02:14 am: |
|
i'd go with the perfects in either case, they certainly have better SQ than the hx2s and they are not too bad at all for SPL, so i'd say thats your best bet. the only downside to the perfects is that they are really sensitive, but i wouldnt worry about it, they will do great.
good luck |
Jason |
| Posted on Friday, August 08, 2003 - 02:17 am: |
|
hey derek. i was thinking about buying a clarion equalizer from a friend of mine for $40. it is the EQS560 model. do you know if it's any good? there aren't many reviews on it. i know there are better equalizers out there, but for the price i can't turn this one down. thanks a lot. you're da man. |
|
| Posted on Friday, August 08, 2003 - 04:21 pm: |
|
most of clarions stuff is pretty decent, i dont know about that specific model, but i'd go for it, it sounds like a pretty good deal, is it 1/3 octave or is it digital? |
George |
| Posted on Friday, August 08, 2003 - 05:40 pm: |
|
Hey Derek, nice list, thorough. I am slowly building an average audio system in my car. I have two 3 1/2 MB Quarts in my dash, a Kenwood headunit, and 2 Kenwood 6x9's in the back.(which I think are pretty nice, but I don't have experience with that wide a range of speaker brands.) The MB Quarts are powered great by the Headunit, but the Kenwood's are underpowered. I'm also looking into adding a subwoofer, but first an amp. What would be a good amp to buy that will give the Kenwoods(220 watts max) a nice boost, and possibly power a subwoofer at a later time? (Is it possible to only amplify the signal going to the rear speakers? Or would the amp have to amplify the signal to all four speakers? )--Thanx ahead of time. |
|
| Posted on Friday, August 08, 2003 - 09:02 pm: |
|
well, first off, its lookin like u got a pretty good start there, kenwood is decent and the quarts are nice. well, i'll start u off with a recommendation for an amp to power your 6x9s, and yes, you can amplify the signal to only the rear, just hook up those speakers to the amp.
here is the link for the amp i think would be best suited for your situation, and dont think that the wattage is modest, because theres no way you are going to want to actually 220 watts to each of those speakers.
http://www.thezeb.com/caraudio/us_acoustics.html
look at the USX2050 there, its cheap, quality, and will do the job as well.
once you get the subwoofer you will want to get a different amp most likely, unless you are planning on getting a low power woofer. im not thinking you are going to want to take the power away from those speakers once you put it to them anyways so i'd look into the JBL BP150.1 for a small maybe JL w0 sub unless you are planning to go big on the sub that would be great. check ebay for that amp if you want to look at it. |
Jake |
| Posted on Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 12:15 am: |
|
hey derek. I recently got a zx2 and already blew one of my rear deck speakers. I was thinking of replacing them with pioneer TS-A6870R 6x8s (custom fit for Ford) and I was planning on just powering them with my pioneer DEH-1500 head unit... but I was also planning to add one 12" Audiobahn 1200Q sub sealed powered by a JBL 600.1 as soon as I scrounge up enough money. Is this sub going to overpower my rear deck speakers like you were cautioning to George? If so, do you recommend that I add an amp for my cabin speakers or just get a smaller sub and amp combo or what? I am looking for pounding bass... but good bass that will be good for hip hop. |
|
| Posted on Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 05:51 pm: |
|
pioneer's newer stuff is a big improvement, so the 6x8s should do relatively fine. before i got a separate amp for my interior speakers i had problems hearing them over the bass. if you decide to run the speakers off the HU you might have this same problem. that sub and amp combo sounds good, but again, you may want to use another amp to power your mids. i usually recommend the usx 4065 4 channel amp for affordability and durability, but the JBL p80.4 is also a good choice for a midrange amp. |
Ryan M. |
| Posted on Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 08:00 pm: |
|
Man when you put visonix under bad you don't know what your talkin about. I will prove myself. Get one 12 visonix put any class D Zeus Hifonik not over 600 watts and you would change your mind. Visonix amps such but not the subs and the hifonik amps are awesome but not the subs. I would probably place both under moderate. Cause one has good subs and the other really good amps. |
Anonymous |
| Posted on Sunday, August 10, 2003 - 09:43 am: |
|
hey derek i recently bought some plant audio speakers i know nothing about car audio did i make a bad chocie if so what would u recommend to finsh my system off for someone that listens to rock really just wants good sound and isnt looking to be heard two blocks away |
|
| Posted on Sunday, August 10, 2003 - 12:06 pm: |
|
actually thats one thing that i could probably change on here, planet audios latest stuff isnt half bad, i've just listened to it and its passable so i'd have to put that into the moderate category. i'd say you are fine with those speakers. |
susan wilkins |
| Posted on Monday, August 11, 2003 - 03:07 am: |
|
hey derek. i'm new to car audio and was wondering if you could give me some advice on subs. i already have an alpine class d mono amp that puts out 350 watts rms. i want to know which would be a better decision; a pair of 12" infinity reference subs or a pair of 12" alpine type e subs. those are my only options since they are the only ones available at the local audio shop. i kinda like the type e's even though they're not very popular. i would greatly appreciate it if you listed the pros and cons of each sub and why you would choose it. thank you very much. |
|
| Posted on Monday, August 11, 2003 - 03:57 pm: |
|
are the infinitys the DVC model or the SVC model?
either way, the frequency response on the infinitys is better at lower frequencies than the type-e. it can handle 300 watts RMS(im sure the 350 would be fine but you never want to have your gains at full anyways so it will be around 300)
the alpine can only handle 200 watts RMS.
both have a 4 ohm impedance which you can wire both subs in parallel to get an optimal 2 ohm load.
so overall, it looks like the infinity would be the better choice.
just as a side note, i dont usually trust alpine for speakers too much, i have a pair of their 6x9s and they arent all too special, theyre allright. the 30 dollar polks i got off ebay were better. anyways, go with the infinities, they are great, i've heard them in a sealed enclosure and theyre awesome. |
D M |
| Posted on Tuesday, August 12, 2003 - 01:29 am: |
|
Well hello. I have somewhat of a problem. I have a 1997 Nissan Maxima with a Bose sound system, and I added two 10" subs and a 1000w amp last night. Today, I was driving over to a friend's house, and all of a sudden my sound stopped working. The display on my cd player kept going, but no sound came from any of the speakers. I wonder if you have any idea what could have gone wrong? Thanks |
D M |
| Posted on Tuesday, August 12, 2003 - 01:30 am: |
|
Oh by the way, I checked all of the wiring and it appeared to be hooked up just as it was at first. No loose wires or anything... |
teflondog |
| Posted on Tuesday, August 12, 2003 - 01:50 am: |
|
check how your speakers are wired. if the impedence on your speakers don't match the amp, then the amp will automatically shut off. if you notice, when you turn off the cd player and turn it back on, the sound will be on for a moment before shutting off again. |
D M |
| Posted on Tuesday, August 12, 2003 - 01:53 am: |
|
Well everything worked fine on my 10 minute drive home last night, and for maybe 10 minutes today. Now, no sound works at all. I tried turning it off and back on, checking all the connections, etc. CD, radio, tape... nothing works. |
teflondog |
| Posted on Tuesday, August 12, 2003 - 01:54 am: |
|
i'm assuming that your speakers are 4 ohms and are wired in parallel, which brings them down to 2 ohms. some amps are 4 ohm stable. try wiring your subs in series and see if that works. |
Ryan |
| Posted on Wednesday, August 13, 2003 - 01:37 am: |
|
Hey Derek, thanx for the list. Just got one question. Which one should i get, SONY 6" 200W 3way (XSGT6035) or Clarion 6.5" 160W 2way (SRR1626)? Thanx. |
Ryan |
| Posted on Wednesday, August 13, 2003 - 01:38 am: |
|
Door mounted speakers they will be. |
D M |
| Posted on Wednesday, August 13, 2003 - 01:58 am: |
|
Hello again. The guy at the Nissan place says that my radio went out. The volume control was already a little messed up at times. The solution comes with two options: 1. Have them ship the whole thing off for about 3 weeks and $150, or 2. go to a junk/salvage yard and pull one from a maxima for about $30. I think I'll go with number 2. |
D M |
| Posted on Wednesday, August 13, 2003 - 01:58 am: |
|
Oh but the fact that it went out had nothing to do with the amp or subs. it just happened to go out then. |
|
| Posted on Thursday, August 21, 2003 - 02:49 pm: |
|
Okay here is my situation. I have a 97' Isuzu trooper. Right now i got factory front and back. I have a fairly new kenwood deck. 2 12" mobile authority subs in a bandpass box. Powered by an american pro 800x2 amp. Now i'v got some money and want to do the whole thing over. I want t.v in the front possibly headrests. front and back speakers possibly infinity components trying to use american pro amp for rear speakers. I like kenwood decks had em in my last 3 cars upgrage every 1 1/2 years. But i need dvd capability but i hear decks with screens already in them motors burn out(problem). My biggest problem is my amp/sub setup i was thinking 4 kicker s12l7 but i dont think i will have the power to push it correctly. So what about 2 with strong amp(s) my concern is having a banging quality system. Oh and if you can figure a way for 3 or 4 s12l7's let me know. Oh yea help with the cap too. Thanks in advance. |
Vinsullo |
| Posted on Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 02:42 am: |
|
Derek your opinion is appreciated.No doubt when we all entered the car audio realm we all got an encounter with the over pushy sales sh**head.So, props to you for looking out for people.Hey, just 1 comment about Planet Audio(amplifiers)- I got a 600w 2-channel model 3002 in 2000 and haven't looked back.No lie. This amp is pure man.Hanging out in my hood my friends all pull up with same dilemma; "my sh** just don't sound right?!". I'd take their box hook it up to my amp and pound the hell out of it!(various woofers top of line to various enclosures).This amp has me satisfied and I'm gonna get rid of it soon, so I can get a newer one from planet audio.Also, the boxes that my boys were bringing me were hooked up to all sorts of high power amps(fosgate,monos,kicker,phoenix gold etc.) and after making sure they were wired correctly and still sounded little I hooked them to mine and boom! no problem.Anyway just thought I'd give a heads up opinion on that.Peace! |
teflondog |
| Posted on Saturday, August 23, 2003 - 04:02 am: |
|
the good thing about planet audio amps is that they stay clean and don't distort unless you really drive them hard. they provide plenty of clean power and the best part is that they don't cost an arm and a leg. not all inexpensive brands suck. i remember buying a cheap $50 magnavox amp at a yard sale that put out only 200 watts rms; it pounded harder than many of my rockford punch 500 watt amps. there's hidden treasure out there and you have to keep searching for it. |
Strongman |
| Posted on Monday, August 25, 2003 - 07:40 pm: |
|
How do you Give advise when you have 6x9s in your car? You say you are a Card Carrying Electical Engineer. What school. I don't know an Engineer who still works as some low rate Car stereo installer. Crossfire is crap. Alumapro is crap. Old Hifonics is awesome. Orion is among the top five. Subs, components, amps. Ever heard a complete HCCA system playing off of a high end Alpine?
The new Alpine components (top of the line) will keep up with almost any component set on the market under $1000. Their newer amps will also keep up with most of the $1000 amps on the market. Don't believe me? Go to a sound off sometime. I mean a real one, try Daytona or LA.
Don't give advise in a field where you are not an absolute expert. I've been doing this for 13 years and I'll never recommend a low class product. You get what you pay for. EVERY TIME. |
VINSULLO |
| Posted on Monday, August 25, 2003 - 10:26 pm: |
|
STRONGMAN-out of curiosity I would like to know what you think about planet audio amplifiers and any experience you have had with them.I think they're great.Never had a problem and always been more than satisfied with mine.Orion woofers have always been easy to roast and no warranty.Just my experience with them.Then again they were orion 12" series 3's and that was 5 yearsago.Earthquake magma is expensive and I smoked 2 of them.Luckily they have warranties.that is my fault because i mismatched my amp with them.Even still I don't have any good things too say about them.Strongman let me know what you think about the new planet audio line of amplifiers. |
Strongman |
| Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 12:06 pm: |
|
I've never known anyone with any of the Planet Audio products. Honestly I've never seen any of them, other than advertisements. If you had Series 3 12"s then they were Rockford Fosgate. Unless they were like a Cobalt(Orions better priced models) or something. I have ran the old school Orion XTR DVCs in the past with 300 watts per sub and had great performance with them. Haven't used any of the new Earthquake stuff. I ran 4 15" CPXLT subs off of 2 Earthquake Hohman Series 2150s. The Cast Pro Xtra Long Throw (CPXLT) was the first high excursion sub. Before the original RF Power or the Critical Mass back in the early nineties. Right now I run a single 10" RF POWER HX2 off of a bd1500.1 @4 ohms. My full range is a set of Boston Z6 in the kick panels and an ambient tweeter in the top of the dash running off of an Orion old school 2150 SX. The rear is a set of Boson Pro 6.5" midbass drivers running band pass from 100 Hz up to 3000 Hz driven by another old school Orion XTR 275.
This all comes from a Pioneer DEH8400 head unit(XM is awesome) and a set of audio control EQTs. Want to talk about loud AND clear? Now this SATURN has it under control. This Saturn is my family car. My truck is another story. 8 old school Pioneer IMPP 10"s running off a Phoenix gold MPS2240. "48 watts"..150 DB... Not extreme, just a loud hotrod S-10 with a V-8. |
Vinsullo |
| Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 05:17 pm: |
|
Nice man! Sounds good!(no pun intended!)lol Those Orions were 12" xtr series 3's.I barely got any use out of them and now they just sit in my room on my floor.1 blown and 1 sounding kinda shitty.my next buys are going to be- 4-channel planet Audio amp 400 watts for my interior sound.The speakers will be 4"x6" cerwin vega and 6-1/2" cerwin vega.I'm satisfied with my woofer setup.Just 1 planet audio 2-channel 600 watt to 2 12" C2 PPI subs and it pounds!Tell me how the cerwin vega sounds for interior sound.I'm not sure of the models of the speakers.My car is a 1991 Infiniti G20 just if that would help you with any interior sound ideas.Thanks! |
Strongman |
| Posted on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 05:35 pm: |
|
I have owned CV Stealth speakers in the past, had two sets of 6.5 components up front. I had a set in the doors and a set in the kick panels. They had good imaging...BUT..They just wouldn't hold any real power and the sound was pretty lack luster. If you haven't invested yet you should consider another company. You can get a set of Boston Accoustics Rally series 4"ers for the front and a nice Boston 6.5" coax for the rear. You will spend under $320 for the whole setup. I can never say enough good things about those rallys. They soung GREAT and they last a long time. You should buy the 4" and tweet component set for the front, cut out a plate of 3/16"-1/4" aluminum. Make the aluminum fit the 4x6 cutout and bam, you have round, proper speakers for your infiniti. Your car deserves to get rid of those oval speakers. Any time you can get rid of an oval speaker and put in a round speaker you will make a vast improvement in sound quality.
If you run about 40-65 watts of good CLEAN power to those Bostons you will never look back. Cross them over at 90Hz with about an 18Db slope and run the opposite to your subs, you will be a happy proud man. You will be able to ROCK without worrying.
Good luck. |
VINSULLO |
| Posted on Friday, August 29, 2003 - 02:07 am: |
|
Actually boston accoustics was a speaker I had in mind.The cv 4"x6" for the front was a plate design not oval.Anyway,I have my car shaking bass,now I want the inside clarity and loud sharp bass.You know what I mean?Me personally,all the installs have always been the same;amp. with woofers,throw some ok aftermarkets speakers inside and let the radio power them.Not this time.This time, I want my interior to hold it's own.Well,actually hold it's own against my box but compliment it with that sharp tight bass.I have some knowledge about the technical like;db and slope,but I definitly forgot most of it.lol.As of right now my system is all "woofer bass" and sound coming out of my speakers.I want my system to be more than just all that rumbling.I want the tight bass for the inside.Give me a hand with this.THANKS! |
Jim Strong |
| Posted on Thursday, September 04, 2003 - 05:07 pm: |
|
If you want a tighter more punchy bass, and more fullrange volume then you are going to have to put an amp on the fullrange. What you need is about 50 watts per channel of good clean power. Never run a decent amp at less than 3ohms, the power MUST stay clean. Find yourself at least a Rockford Fosgate 500x. That will be 62.5 watts per channel by four. Run a seperate crossover network, set it at 80Hz with at least an 18Db per octave cut. This will allow the hight frequency bass tones to get to the full range speakers without overwhelming them. You need a nice 6.5" midbass for the front. Those boston 4x6 plates will be great for the midrange and highs but will really lack in the midbass range. You should get those 4x6s crossed over at about 200 Hz, for the best performance. You can run those with as little as 25 watts of good clean AMPLIFIER power. I don't even use the head unit power and would not recomend anyone to either. It is comprised of "chip amps" and not a mosfet or darlington type. In other words, if you compare the "50 Watt Hi Power" head units to a real amp that puts out only 25 watts, the amp would smoke the radio every time. Put the 6.5" midbasses in the kick panels or lower door, and a set of 5.1/4 in the back and you'll be rockin. |
|
| Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 09:15 pm: |
|
dear anyone who knows a thing or two about car speakers. I am really looking into buying some subs for my car. right now i jus stumbled apon the audiobahn abp12T. is this a good choice to buy this sub box or what else is in the same price range but better performance. plus if i did get this sub box what type of amp should i get. i want an amp thats gona be under 300$. the cheaper the better but i dont want to sacrifice performance. Thank you for your time and for reading my message. Here is my email RideBlueForLife@yahoo.com if anyone would please help me email me. thank you and have a good day. |
Anonymous |
| Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 11:13 pm: |
|
Alpine and moderate shouldent even be in the same sectence .... just rediculous PEACE |
Anonymous |
| Posted on Monday, September 08, 2003 - 11:14 pm: |
|
sentence... my bad lol |
|
| Posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2003 - 02:31 am: |
|
actually, alpines performance in speakers is not all that great. i mean its all personal preference i guess, but they are moderate to me, and do not belong in the recommended area. now alpines head units and signal processors are top of the line, some of the best you can buy.
and in response to this guy
"
How do you Give advise when you have 6x9s in your car?"
this shows right off the bat that this guy does not carry as much knowledge as he thinks or says he does. rear fill does not really matter all that much, in any case, it is not completely necessary.
"You say you are a Card Carrying Electical Engineer. What school. I don't know an Engineer who still works as some low rate Car stereo installer."
who said i work as a low rate car stereo installer? ever heard of CAE recruiters? my official job title is "Foundry Business Development Manager" if you really need to know. what school? Henry Cogswell College. enough said.
"Crossfire is crap. Alumapro is crap."
i respect your opinion, but dont know many people who would agree.
"Old Hifonics is awesome. Orion is among the top five. Subs, components, amps. Ever heard a complete HCCA system playing off of a high end Alpine?"
yeah, i've heard most every brand on the market today. and orions newer stuff just isnt nearly what it used to be, especially the cobalt series. old HCCA is probably among the best ever made, right up there with the PPI art series amps.
"The new Alpine components (top of the line) will keep up with almost any component set on the market under $1000. Their newer amps will also keep up with most of the $1000 amps on the market. Don't believe me? Go to a sound off sometime. I mean a real one, try Daytona or LA."
been to many sound offs, havent been real impressed with any alpine products(amps/speakers)
"Don't give advise in a field where you are not an absolute expert."
i could direct this statement right back at you.
"I've been doing this for 13 years and I'll never recommend a low class product. You get what you pay for. EVERY TIME."
ever heard of a good sale or a deal? i got a pair of memphis 6.5s for 60 bucks the other day, clearance sale, brought the guy down from 120 to 60 with no receipt or invoice. you sometimes get more than what you pay for. mb quart is no match for memphis at high levels. period. anyways, im done.
LIKE I SAID BEFORE, THIS THREAD IS SUBJECT TO OPINION, you have the right to your opinion, but dont go around doubting me or my credentials just because i share a different view than you do.
bye |
Mona T. |
| Posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2003 - 11:09 am: |
|
Hey Derek
I need some advice. I wanted to get my boyfriend something for his car. Can you suggest some good products for me to get? I'm looking to start his system off. He only has a headunit now but he wants to start to hook it up. He has a '96 Accord. Any suggestions? |
Jim Strong |
| Posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2003 - 11:57 am: |
|
Idiot... When I say you get what you pay for. Everyone except YOU understood that was the normal price, not what kind of DEAL you were able to get. I have been GIVEN subs before from the old Good Vibrations shop in Cincinnati, OH. That doesn't mean they were crap. They were Kicker Competitions. The old school originals, this was to try to get me to swap out my Pioneer IMPP 10"s. I had eight of them and they gave me the Kickers just to put their name on the window. I kept the Pioneers and only used the Kickers at two comps. This was about 11 years ago though.
Chris S.
Look on Ebay, you can get an Orion 275HCCA for $300. This one of the top three Sub amps EVER produced. You will NOT be disappointed, I'll guarantee this. The Audiobahn Prebuilt boxes are actually pretty nice and will put out some pounding bass. Especially with an Orion pushing them. I am talking about the three sub boxes by Audiobahn. Good luck. |
Anonymous |
| Posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2003 - 06:10 pm: |
|
derek have u ever heard of resonant engineering how come there not on ur list... |
|
| |
