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Thread: Component advantage |
    
Silver Member Username: Riskyb
Post Number: 107
Registered: Feb-06
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| Posted on Tuesday, August 22, 2006 - 08:30 pm: |
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Will component speakers make a huge difference over co-axials? When I say huge I mean does it merit me buying a whole new pair to replace my Infinity Kappas?
I have these http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_4278.html
But I am considering buying these
http://cgi.ebay.com/DIAMOND-CAR-AUDIO-D651A-D651S-COMPONENT-DOOR-SPEAKERS_W0QQit emZ140018361916QQihZ004QQcategoryZ32818QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Worth it? I would be powering them with a Diamond Audio D3400.4. As it is the infinitys are nice buy they distort when I crank them to about 50 on my h/u that goes up to 60. They get really loud as it is but you know how that goes. |
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Gold Member Username: Theelfkeeper
Stockbridge,
GA
USA
Post Number: 2608
Registered: Feb-05
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| Posted on Wednesday, August 23, 2006 - 01:17 am: |
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well, Coaxials are best if you are powering them by the HU. Components need more power then the 10-14 watts the HU will put out. the only way to get louder yet clear sound is to get more power from an external amp. |
Gold Member Username: Alteraudiousa
Concord
Post Number: 1164
Registered: Jan-06
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| Posted on Wednesday, August 23, 2006 - 01:23 am: |
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This topic has been talked about alot so you could do a search for more detailed explanations but all in all it comes to how much power you are going to put to them and actually just how loud you want to go. Components have a better crossover network than the resistors used on coaxs and they handle more power. BUt components do take a little more thought to the install than a coax. |
Silver Member Username: Justblaze
St.Louis,
MO
USA
Post Number: 104
Registered: Jun-06
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| Posted on Wednesday, August 23, 2006 - 01:30 am: |
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even when i had my type-R components hooked up to my headunit, they sounded much clearer and detailed then past speakers ive had, but when i hooked them up to an amp he difference is night and day. |
Gold Member Username: Illuminator
USA
Post Number: 4353
Registered: Apr-05
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| Posted on Wednesday, August 23, 2006 - 01:35 am: |
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If you're thinking about selling your kappas, I could probably give you $50 for them if you wanted...I need some speakers for my brother's car. |
Platinum Member Username: Glasswolf
Wisteria,
Lane
USA
Post Number: 11576
Registered: Dec-03
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| Posted on Wednesday, August 23, 2006 - 07:49 am: |
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the separates will only be a marked improvement if you plan to use an amplifier for them, and mount them in a way that allows you to position or angle them ideally to get the best response.
If all you're going to do is stuff them into the factory door locations and run them from a head unit, then no, not worth the effort or cost. |
Silver Member Username: Riskyb
Post Number: 114
Registered: Feb-06
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| Posted on Wednesday, August 23, 2006 - 04:43 pm: |
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I said in my post that I would run them off a D3400.4 amplifier. But thanks for the info. I will def have to consider selling them to jexx. They are 6X8 so basically fit ford and mazda. |
Gold Member Username: Illuminator
USA
Post Number: 4385
Registered: Apr-05
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| Posted on Wednesday, August 23, 2006 - 07:08 pm: |
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Cool, if you would rather do a trade, I also have a Rockford Fosgate Punch 401S amp that works great, just missing the end plates (not necessary for anytning) and the terminal screws for the speakers(which can be replaced easily). I could ship it USPS priority mail as part of the trade.
100 watts RMS x 2 at 4 ohms
200 watts RMS x 2 at 2 ohms
400 watts RMS x 1 at 4 ohms in bridged mode
50-250 Hz high-pass/low-pass (12 dB/octave) crossovers
If you want me to throw in a distro block or some cable, I could do that. I'm still good with the $50 trade too if you want. I need to get rid of this amp  Give yourself some time to think about it and let me know: spinsharp@gmail.com |
Silver Member Username: Riskyb
Post Number: 117
Registered: Feb-06
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| Posted on Wednesday, August 23, 2006 - 07:36 pm: |
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Thanks for the offer but Yea I would have no use for the amp. Sorry though I think I will just stick with the kappas for now. They definitly get the job done.
Also glasswolf mentioned mounting position, would there be anything wrong with cutting a piece of mdf? Then mounting the mid driver and tweeter in that piece and then just putting that piece where the normal door speakers go? |
Gold Member Username: Illuminator
USA
Post Number: 4394
Registered: Apr-05
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| Posted on Wednesday, August 23, 2006 - 08:10 pm: |
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Okay cool, let me know if you ever want to sell them
Yeah, you can use MDF in the factory location, but I would definitely mount the tweeter near or on the A pillars(slightly below head level), otherwise the imaging won't be as good as it could be. |
Silver Member Username: Riskyb
Post Number: 118
Registered: Feb-06
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| Posted on Wednesday, August 23, 2006 - 08:25 pm: |
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Yea one thing I liked about the infinitys is that I can point the tweeter wherever I want and attenuate it +/- 3db. |
Bronze Member Username: Bobimpact
Danbury,
CT
US
Post Number: 54
Registered: May-06
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| Posted on Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 05:15 pm: |
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There is nothing wrong with mounting tweeters low in the door. JL recommends it with their ZR line. Some of the best systems I have designed/heard have used plates to house woofer/tweeter or D'Appolito arrays to house two midranges and a single tweeter. In this case the second tweeter IS placed high in the door, but is severely cut down or run as an ambient tweeter to slightly raise the stage.
Yes having the tweeter high can help raise the stage, but it's also very easy to destroy both the image and color the sound quality of the system. |
Gold Member Username: Basshead86
Google is your Friend,
FL
Post Number: 4982
Registered: Aug-05
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| Posted on Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 05:54 pm: |
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quote:Yes having the tweeter high can help raise the stage, but it's also very easy to destroy both the image and color the sound quality of the system.
don't play with my emotions like that. i have mine in the sail panel. lol |
Gold Member Username: Illuminator
USA
Post Number: 4701
Registered: Apr-05
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| Posted on Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 08:10 pm: |
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Some of the best systems I've heard have had the tweeter mounted on the A pillar.
It's a matter of taste. |
Bronze Member Username: Bobimpact
Danbury,
CT
US
Post Number: 60
Registered: May-06
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| Posted on Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 09:11 pm: |
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I'm not saying that tweeters up high are always bad, in fact mine are up by the door pulls in the stock locations, you just have to be a little more careful about them coloring the sound. |
Gold Member Username: Illuminator
USA
Post Number: 4703
Registered: Apr-05
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| Posted on Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 10:23 pm: |
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Yeah, I was just offering another point of view
When it comes to imaging, it's definitely a matter of personal preference. |
