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Thread: Sad but funny observation |
    
Silver Member Username: Boopers
Lima,
Ohio
United states
Post Number: 143
Registered: Jul-04
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| Posted on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 11:10 pm: |
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so I'm sitting in my car at a stoplight listening to a song, and I just happen to look at my tach.... well when the music hits the tach drops a bit, pretty obvious that that means something bad, no noticeable dimming of lights though, only 1/2 volume too. guess that upgrade in alts is getting to be more of a need now, not later, type thing. |
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Silver Member Username: Johnnylemoine
LaPlace,
Louisiana
United States
Post Number: 156
Registered: Aug-04
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| Posted on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 11:13 pm: |
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yeah I'd say. Thats wierd. |
Silver Member Username: Southernrebel
Louisiana
USA
Post Number: 230
Registered: Mar-04
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| Posted on Tuesday, October 12, 2004 - 12:01 am: |
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anytime your tach drops, your loosing ALOT of voltage...lol
i'd say you really need an HO alt. |
Silver Member Username: Fishy
Tamarac,
FL
USA
Post Number: 492
Registered: Sep-04
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| Posted on Tuesday, October 12, 2004 - 01:25 am: |
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It simply means your alternator is putting a higher load on your engine when the bass hits(which makes perfect sense, the extra energy has to come from somewhere), not necessarily a bad thing unless it stalls your engine completely. :P I bet if you rev it up a bit you won't notice much if any change in rpm.
-Fishy |
Silver Member Username: Fishy
Tamarac,
FL
USA
Post Number: 494
Registered: Sep-04
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| Posted on Tuesday, October 12, 2004 - 01:46 am: |
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Actually a higher output alternator can put MORE load on your engine at stoplights potentially making your "problem" worse. Personally, if your getting good voltage(no dimming lights) I don't think you have much to worry about.
You got a lil 4 banger in that vehicle?
-Fishy |
Silver Member Username: Boopers
Lima,
Ohio
United states
Post Number: 149
Registered: Jul-04
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| Posted on Tuesday, October 12, 2004 - 01:47 am: |
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rofl, not even, it's a supercharged 3.8l :-) and the tach doesn't drop a whole notch, just like 1/4 notch, so like 10 rpm or so.... was just disturbed by that, figured it meant my alt was kicking it up a notch. |
Gold Member Username: Jonathan_f
GA
USA
Post Number: 2235
Registered: May-04
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| Posted on Tuesday, October 12, 2004 - 01:56 am: |
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10 rpm, or 100? 10 sounds a little low to be considered anywhere near a problem, the idle itself will fluctuate more than that. |
Silver Member Username: Fishy
Tamarac,
FL
USA
Post Number: 496
Registered: Sep-04
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| Posted on Tuesday, October 12, 2004 - 02:01 am: |
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How much does your idle change when your a/c compressor kicks in? If its about the same I wouldn't worry none.
Remember unless you have massive amounts of torque your engine doesn't develop much HP at low rpm so any extra load will have more visible effects at idle.
-Fishy |
Gold Member Username: Jonathan_f
GA
USA
Post Number: 2237
Registered: May-04
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| Posted on Tuesday, October 12, 2004 - 02:27 am: |
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Really, horsepower is nothing but a measurement of torque x rpm. 400 lb ft of torque at 3,000 rpm of 8,000 rpm will be the same, horsepower will be higher with a motor making it at 8,000, but it'll still "feel" like 400 lb ft of torque, just like a 200 hp V8 will feel more powerful than a 200 hp four cylinder because the torque is actually higher over the RPM range, the V8s RPMs will just be lower than the four cylinder at peak horsepower. It's the torque that moves things, burns tires, turns accessories, etc  |
Silver Member Username: Fishy
Tamarac,
FL
USA
Post Number: 501
Registered: Sep-04
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| Posted on Tuesday, October 12, 2004 - 02:54 am: |
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Yep, all "low end torque" means is lotsa "low end" horsepower or horsepower that is readily available at low rpm.
The formula for rotary power is simple. Its simply Torque times Radial Frequency(w=2*pi*f) or
P = T*w = T*2*pi*f = T*2*pi*RPM/60
-Fishy
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Bronze Member Username: Sixstar
Post Number: 62
Registered: Aug-04
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| Posted on Tuesday, October 12, 2004 - 12:45 pm: |
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Is it neccessarily the engine being strained? The tach is almost certainly electronic, and just might be fluctuating due to lack of power getting to it.
I would get out of the car and listen to see if the revs actually drop. |
Gold Member Username: Glasswolf
NorthWest,
Michigan
USA
Post Number: 4544
Registered: Dec-03
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| Posted on Tuesday, October 12, 2004 - 12:46 pm: |
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Fishy is right.
when the bass hits, a large spike of current is drawn from the alternator, which puts strain on it.
this in turn puts more load on the engine which causes the RPM to drop just a bit.
it's more noticeable because you're at idle, and the alternator isn't in it's charging state, so its only putting out 12VDC.
above about 900rpm, you'll put out 13-15 volts as a charging bias, and this will supply better current to the system, and RPM shouldn't be as noticeable.
also, consider adding a capacitor to the system if you want the drop to be less noticed.
the cap will supply current for brief demands, then slowly recharge, thus smoothing out spikes in demand on the alternator. It won't replace a need for a larger alternator if lights are dimming etc.. but it will help smooth out spikes and handle little things like you're seeing.
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