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30plusaweeek Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Tuesday, December 13, 2005 - 02:04 am: |
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thannks i needed a job! |
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gotscammed Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Tuesday, December 13, 2005 - 04:52 am: |
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Well, I guess I'm not the only pidgeon here. I share everybody's aggravation. Got scammed today in Sherman Oaks, CA. 2 guys, black suv. Had the HDTV magazine and showed me the Kirsch K10 5.1 system retailing for $3,199. Gave me some crazy story about it being an extra that wasn't on the manifest and they were just looking to get some money for beer and the strip club. Got me for $240. Ugh... If anybody sees these guys, please beat their heads in for me. Thanks! |
gotscammed Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Tuesday, December 13, 2005 - 11:44 am: |
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I might also add that one of the guys name was Eric. Dirty Blond hair, blue eyes, red tatoo on his arm, silver watch. They were both wearing dk blue "work" shirts with their names on it, claiming to work for a stereo install company. He gave me his cell phone # in case I had any questions about setting it up, and this was after he already had my money, so he seemed really legit!! the # is 702-265-1377 and it is his voice on the machine. This is a Vegas area code, which he acknowledged, but said he lived near Huntington Beach. |
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| Posted on Friday, December 16, 2005 - 03:02 pm: |
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my dad got taken yesterday for 200$. same story as others, 'professional installers with extra units that needed selling off'. oh well too late now.
Laramie, WY |
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| Posted on Friday, December 16, 2005 - 05:58 pm: |
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Got scammed today at a Wal-mart parking lot.
Pulled up and told me they had an overstock, had recieved pairs instead of seperate speakers. Said the boss would just take what they had so they wanted to sell em off. I spent $250 on the Kirsch K3 5.1 speaker system. Seemed too good to be true but the magazine ads is what got me! Oh well you win some, you loose some! At least they work so I just put them on my computer for gaming and music! They were in a white chevy or likeness. A very good learning experience! |
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| Posted on Saturday, December 17, 2005 - 12:39 am: |
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These scammers have been in the NEPA area they sold me kirsch k803 speaker I haven't hooked it up yet. I saw there book and it looked good enough for me, I bought the speaker only to make money off it on ebay but after reading the posts I find it very interesting. These people i have in nepa for a while now selling there garbage and tried many times to sell to my friends. But I will see him again very soon and when I do they are both getting tied up and robbed for it all the scammed the wrong person. When I get these idiots I will let everyone know so when they are in my basement with there head in a vice you all can come down and collect your money alot with some parts to a chevy van. Im going to be looking for these people now when im out. The speaker looks very nice brand new with nice woodwork but After i bought it I think I have over paid for it. I thought I got a deal and I cannot belive that im not the only person this happened to. I live in scranton, pa and I go all over the place I will take a memo on the lic plates provided. They are good at what they do and they seem to be approaching people in busy business parking lots they pulled up to me at circuit city telling me that they have over stock or some bull. I thought well hes blowing smoke up my azz and if its stolen then who cares stolen goods is always cheaper. But i never even heard of kirsch I tried doing some research of these speakers and all I came across what Blinds. Oh well they got me but will see them very soon im going looking. My cell phone # is 5706771991 you guys can call me to see if I have them or any updates I don;t mind. I will have others looking too. So speaker guys if your reading this watch out because this speaker you sold me is going through your windshield!!!
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| Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 12:21 am: |
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painesville ohio east of cleveland guys be carefull i had them for six months now didnt even bother to hookem up now i got a round to it bought a reciever but they dont work or im not doing it right i know the whole deal wioth it being a scam but id like to know if they work or not my email is jvincci@yahoo.com anyone has an idea or advice hit me up thankss |
gotscammed Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 12:39 am: |
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Now that I calmed down, I have some advice for those who got scammed like me. Most of us bought these systems and/or speakers with the intention of making some extra money or thinking that we bought something stolen at a bargain price. For me, I didn't need the system. I actually was trying to hook these guys up with some extra cash (that I really didn't have) and figured maybe I could turn them around and make a much needed few extra bucks. I just thought these guys were lazy and didn't want to make an effort. Well they caught me at a moment when I was rushed, tired, and not thinking clearly. It is all so obvious now- I can't believe how stupid I was!
In any event, here's a suggestion for those (like me) who got one pulled over on them. Give the system away as a gift. That's what I'm going to do- hell, I was going to spend about $200 bucks on this client anyway, so what's an extra $40? Hopefully the damn thing works! Maybe it's not the $3200 system that I was thinking I was getting for a bargain, but it does look nice and maybe my client or his kids will like it. I obviously over paid for the system, but how many times have I bought this guy electronic gifts from Sharper Image for $200 that I could have bought elsewhere for less? If you don't have a person to give it to, donate the system to a charity and take the tax write-off.
Im not going to let the whole thing upset me or ruin my holiday- these guys thrive on that. I'm not going to waste time that I dont have looking for the f**kers, but if i see them, they will wish they never met me.
Anyway, that is my advice for those who got scammed and are reading this. Don't dwell on it or it just will make you more upset to the satisfaction of these lil f--ks. Then again, if you happen to run into them without looking, might as well take a bat or a maglight to their heads. Hope this helps..... |
vans in vancouver Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 02:54 am: |
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they are in vancouver canada. I knew it was a scam but bought them anyway. They were at a wal-mart in north van. I will attempt tp get my money back only because the quality issue. I haven't opened the box yet because I needed to do some research so I don't know how they sound. After I told 4 people two of them thought it was a scam and 2 of them wanted to buy them. I am only weary of reselling them because of the negative press they've been given on this site. there is vurtually no info on the quality or performance or even the manufacturer or anything. everyone knew it was a scam because they even told you it was, nothing is free and theft is theft. |
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| Posted on Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 04:44 pm: |
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i had the same thing happen to me today about 2 hours ago. two dudes, looked shady, flipped out the magizine, showed us "2300$" i "talked" him down to 196. sounded like a good deal. i called the # on the side of the van and it came back as the actual name of the company. dont know if they work yet. |
vancouver burnaby Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 07:52 pm: |
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happened to me today for 500 for the kirsch tower speakers, i feel like a f--king moron. i knew it was a scam at the beginning, but then they started showing me their work id and the magazine which said they were msrp 3100. it was a red head with a scottish accent who did the talking and his white friend in the passenger seat. they said they work for commonwealth distributers. the speakers sound like sh-t and i should have followed my instincts. if i ever see them on the street, i will get my money back |
PSSDOFF Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 - 11:09 pm: |
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YOU'VE MADE A BIG MISTAKE BY TAKING ADVANTAGE OF MY SON. I'VE GOT FRIENDS LOOKING TO SPOT YOU IN THE ALLENTOWN PENNSYLVANIA AREA WHEN YOU'RE FOUND I'LL GET THE 1ST CALL AND IF YOUR LUCKY WE'LL MEET AND TALK BUSINESS. I KNOW ALOT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT PEOPLE AND I WOULD EVEN HATE TO THINK YOU MAY BE SELLING MORE THEN AUDIO EQUIPMENT. SAY IT ISN'T SO. IT'S CALLED AN EYE FOR AN EYE. YOU KEEP SKAMMING AND I'LL KEEP SEARCHING. HOW'S THAT DEAL? FYI LEAVE THE LEHIGH VALLEY. |
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| Posted on Thursday, December 29, 2005 - 12:05 am: |
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my daughter was also approached at the lehigh valley mall in allentown, pa.. when she told the two she had no interest in speakers the one guy hesitated getting back in the white van lic. # PA. YSB4719 and offered to sell her something to make her feel good. if you run into them please be careful. |
nickyfrmvegas Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Thursday, December 29, 2005 - 12:39 am: |
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what was it a blow up doll a little finger for the a s s lo just asking lol all of u are fleas and need to keep it up u are making guys such as myself RICH with your no street smart a s s lol lol lol lol lol lol ol |
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| Posted on Thursday, January 05, 2006 - 05:20 pm: |
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New England sound and home theater is a scam beware. Their MILLENNIUM THEATER mts 3100 is an international front speaker company. They don’t even post their real address but here it is: 41 bringham road unit 18 in Marlboro, ma. It is off of route 85. John (if real name) runs the place with his goons corey and lenny. I got my money back. Just show up there and act shady, they will give you back your money.
Have fun…..
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| Posted on Friday, January 06, 2006 - 02:45 pm: |
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i got scammed today in vancouver on my way to work in the kitsolano area. it cost me 500$ for the 5.1 k10 system , it was a brown dude driving and a white guy with red hair named richard. richard was wearing a brown jacket and he kept braggin about all the patches he is gonna sew on it,them they were driving a sliverish-white mini van and they too said that they recived a extra shippment or sumthin like that. i fell for it because of the magazine they showed me ... but i guess i deserved this and the only thing i can do is try to rip someone else off..... i know this is horrible but what can i do i need this cash and now im up the creek.If anyone knows where i can find these guys i would be happy to go kick some scammer butt! anyone in the vancouver area that has had the same problem pls e-mail me at thurdbaak@hotmail.com maybe we could work together and get these guys. |
howecandyman Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Tuesday, January 10, 2006 - 07:07 pm: |
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I was just added to the huge scammer list. These two pieces of trash that lied to my face drove a white van with the company name Avalon on the side. They were both white and in there twenties. if your reading this you may have made your money now but you forgot that I am a salesman too and I get around a huge area, about eight counties in a week and I will be looking for you! What kind of low life scum are you? I hope you enjoyed the 800 dollars that you got from me and the extra money for beer. I hope this made you sleep better at night ripping someone off! I hope someone catches you and pounds the piss out of you! They got me in Clearfield, PA if anyone is tracking them! |
NewportBeach Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - 02:12 pm: |
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The fact that new postings to this message board on a daily basis is just scary. I was scammed for $400 for the Kirsch "package" in Orange County, CA. Like all the other messages, it serves me right for really falling for something too good to be true. I was fooled by the work ID, the magazine and quality of the packaging and contents. It's classic how they have the www.kirschloudspeakers.com website on the box, which is also bogus. The key is to pass the word on, so nobody else falls prey...and kick the crap out of these guys when you find them. |
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| Posted on Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - 07:07 pm: |
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I just got conned about 2 hours ago at a Wawa in Mayfair section of Philadelphia...$420 gone, and that was just about all I had to my name, I was fooled by the professional look of the magazine they showed me and the box, as well as my desperation for money, I figured I could make a good amount off Ebay. Im ready to kill myself. I bought Kirsch Prodigy K803 tower speakers. -DarkXPower |
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| Posted on Thursday, January 12, 2006 - 08:30 pm: |
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just got my friend in chico, CA... |
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| Posted on Friday, January 13, 2006 - 05:51 pm: |
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Wholly F*** I cant believe this. It happened to me today in Burnaby, B.C. Got the Kirsch K10 for a wicked deal of $400  Two white guys in a white van. I was in a rush heading somewhere and they pulled up beside me. They seemed very convincing and I fell for it. Although Im usually quite skeptical. The HDTV mag is what really did it! Is that a real mag and wtf is this BS $3,100 retail??? To the pple who had this happen to them in Vancouver, did you get a license plate or anything? This scam seems so common, Im surprised I havent heard of it. |
same as above Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Friday, January 13, 2006 - 07:26 pm: |
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I had gotten the guy's phone number. I searched for it on google and found this ad on van.net:
"HOME THEATRE CO. Newly opened Australian Co. has full time positons avail for Managers, Sales & Drivers. Company car provided. Eugene 604-220-8894"
The ad has been removed though. I got it from google's cache. It sucks because, its not like we were doing something right anyways. But seriously we need to get the word out to the media, to try and shut these guys down. |
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| Posted on Tuesday, January 17, 2006 - 04:07 pm: |
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Just had a guy and a gal in a white cargo van in parking lot in Tyler, TX attempt to pull this "deal" on me. I was at an ATM and they pulled up beside me telling me the "overstocked my van" installer story. Fortunately I have been in the Audio/Video business since early 80's and told them the were "full of it"!!! They didn't seem to want to talk to me much after that.
As the saying goes..."If it sounds too good to be true...It probably is!" That is absolutely he case here!
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604User Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 04:15 am: |
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I got taken for $500 in Surrey today. K10 system, two white guys, white van... Usual story.
If someone gets any info on these guys post it up... |
wiener reiny Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 07:13 am: |
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Why? What are you gonna do about it? Complain to Reinhart so he can tell you you're an idiot and you should've done your research? Or flag down Patrolman to write a report because he loves his job and hates to see people taken advantage of 'on the beat'? Clowns. |
GotScamInSacramento? Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 03:05 am: |
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3301 Sunrise Blvd STE. C
Rancho Cordova California 95742
U.S.A.
Phone Number:
916-308-9328
This is all i have to say. If you got scammed in the sacramento area, this is the place to go. Around 8:30- 9:30 every morning, they will load up their shits into the cars, and take off for the whole day til 6:00 PM. Just stop by those time, tell them you want your refund there's nothing they can do bout it except hand it back to you. Make sure you let others know where you going and have at least a buddie with you in case they decided to throw somethin at you..;) I was one of the few who got their money back, and for sure i dont blame them for doing their job, i blame myself for greedness, but lying to me bout the magazine is what pisses me off. |
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| Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 07:41 pm: |
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They're in denver. three dudes white suburban.
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| Posted on Sunday, January 22, 2006 - 11:53 am: |
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hey you guys...anyone have any info on this scam in massachusetts?? they're in the boston area now, and yes...we got SCAMMED!! |
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| Posted on Sunday, January 22, 2006 - 05:50 pm: |
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Got scammed here outside of philly for kirsch loudspeakers, 3 white dudes one had tatoos and a beader while the other white dude was kinda old with a bald head, the other one just sat in the car. pulled out a magazine that said they were worth 3,100 but i think it might have been in canadian money cause of the large C next to the price. They got me right next to a bank. Learned my lesson though, just tryin to look out and warn others |
iwasscrewed Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - 02:22 am: |
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So yeah. I fell for it too. Oh well, I think I lost a lot more money than all of you though ... they got me for $450. I'm in Colorado Springs, CO. They were driving a Gold Ford Explorer. 3 guys in the car. One rode with me (STUPID ME!!!) to the bank so I could get cash. Oh well, what can you do?! I feel like a complete idiot ... and I know I am one. |
igotTaken Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - 01:19 pm: |
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They are in Austin, TX. I just got taken for 200. Guy named Fernando, but goes by fern. His cell number is 512.573.0484 He is driving a white suv, maybe a ford.
Unfortunately, if you are reading this here it is too late. I wish the media around here would pick up the story. I really wish I wasn't so gullible... |
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| Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 01:48 am: |
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Hmm I got scammed in Burnaby BC a week ago at a mall. Yesterday I walk out of the same mall and two more scammers try the same exact scam word for word. I tell them that I bought some speakers from guys just like them and that they didnt work(they work) and he gave me their bosses phone number and address for a refund. There located in North Van under the name Commonwealth Distributors. I phoned him today but got his voicemail. When I get his response I'll post back with his address and phone number guys. Wish me luck. |
my friends stupid Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 07:28 pm: |
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my dumba$$ friend just got mad scammed for only one ONE ONE ONE speaker, he gave them 200 dollars and thought he was getting a great deal. however he did get a microphone cord minus the microphone out of the deal... tr-2930 left speaker sounds awesome!! what 7,000 dollar system says how much its worth on a website and on the box. it made me laugh so loud, especially when he looked like he got such a great deal out of it.
they were in kent, ohio today, said they were heading for cleveland, heads up ohio.
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Jackdaniels Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 08:21 pm: |
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"When I get his response I'll post back with his address and phone number guys. Wish me luck."
Please do. |
Rufus P. Buttwipers Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Friday, January 27, 2006 - 02:53 am: |
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'Oh my God, they're heading for Cleveland. Lock up yer women and children. Board up the winders and lock the cellar door'.
Idiots, do you really think they aren't already there. Guess what? There's more than just one crew selling. you ducks crack me up. |
xxx xxx Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Friday, January 27, 2006 - 05:44 pm: |
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Im in corona california and my dad just got scammed by this white van speaker guys... any leads to where we can find the distribution or location of the scammers to get a refund would be greatly appreciated. I found out by law that you have 3 days to get a refund. |
Berniehorton Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Friday, January 27, 2006 - 11:12 pm: |
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Got taken today at Home Depot in San Luis Obispo Ca. What a scam. I should have known. Dumb Dumb but obviously the scam works and keeps on working. Too bad for us suckers |
Oh well Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Wednesday, February 01, 2006 - 10:58 pm: |
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FYI They are in NJ |
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| Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 04:06 pm: |
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They got me too $200 for a Kirsch K3. In HongKong market Austin,TX. Man called himself "Fern" driving a Lincon Navigator. Seem like business is quite good for them. Will never believe anything "too good to be true" from now on... Lesson well learned. |
cnote182 Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 07:02 pm: |
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They got me in Harrington DE. I feel like a real jerk, but atleast they threw in the magazine. Does anyone know who I contact to get the money back? Or any suggestions on how to get rid of these 50lb paperweights? cnote182@yahoo.com Thanx |
shortcut Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 09:32 pm: |
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Hey Cnote, why do you think they are paperweights? Have you even listened to them yet or are you just going by what people are saying here? |
dumb and dumber Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Friday, February 03, 2006 - 10:20 am: |
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Well they got me too yesterday, my son is the one who they found, in Harrington De. and he called me and his father, they said they had these speakers and K3 home cinema left over from a delivery, and the place they delivered to never realized they had these left over, and they could not take them back to warehouse, they two white males, by the way they were friendly, showed us the book too on the value, and that is what sold us too, oh boy, so look out Dover, Harrington, and surrounding areas for these boys...Got us for 800.00 |
cnote182 Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Friday, February 03, 2006 - 12:32 pm: |
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Shortcut, anything that i pay for that is misrepresented by a salesman to be something that it is not is useless. Therefore, my friend, i consider these speakers paperweights. Not saying that the speakers do not work, but that they are not what i want. But hey, seriously and not trying to be a jerk in any way whatsoever, if you are interested in them maybe we can work something out. |
shortcut Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Friday, February 03, 2006 - 04:25 pm: |
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Nah, I have a friend that has a pair. we were at a Home Depot when he got them. We both knew that they weren't worth $2000 but my friend had a spare $300 and needed some time to build up his system so he bought them.
As far as misrepresentation goes. Everybody gets mislead and I know it's been said before but look at Nike, Adidas and Reebok. Their shoes and clothing have been made in China and Korea for years but their price has never gone down yet we know their COST is way below what they sell for. Yet we buy them anyway. Is it because a millionair basketball player advertises them? I don't know. The same applies to these speakers. It's just that nobody actually pays the big price tag for them. And yes I know they aren't worth it either but are a pair of Nikes?
I see what you are saying about not wanting them. But I have to say that for $300 they are better than some Sony, Kenwood, Panasonic and KLH I have heard. My friend is quite happy with them and you seem to be as well. I think they are good value and considering you got them for only $200 you got a bargain. I heard the least the speakerguys will take is $200 to make minimum profit. I could be wrong.
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Hustled in Houston Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Monday, February 06, 2006 - 12:59 pm: |
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Those sorry SOBs got me in Houston, I was going to the mall and these guys in a brand new Expedition, still with dealer tags, flagged me down said they worked for a home audio store and they were over stocked, they whipped out the magazine, showed me the rediculous price tag and I fell hook line and sinker.
They scammed me out of 200 bucks, they said they were going to Heartbreakers, a strip club out inerstate 45, I immediately went to a pawn shop and tried to get rid of them I figured if they were listed at 2200 I could get five for them. They guy offered me 100 bucks for them, I told him I'd have to think about it, and he told me that he could order the same setup out of crutchfield for 35 dollars, that pissed me off, I think I'll be going down to heartbreakers tonight and do some breaking of my own. |
Schoooter Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Monday, February 06, 2006 - 11:38 pm: |
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I nearly got scammed at Wal-Mart in Newcastle Delaware. I was lucky to get into the parking lot as all the lazy nigggs park in the fire lane in front and block people from getting in and out. Will they ever learn?
Anyway, they had a van with some Hi-Fi Audio labeling all over it. Looked really legit. Also had the magazines and invoices. Seemed like cool guys too. I talked them down to $300. Sure it was a good deal but I just thought about what my wife would say if I shelled out the cash for speakers.
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| Posted on Wednesday, February 08, 2006 - 06:52 pm: |
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Got taken today in Vancouver's westend by 2 guys in a dodge caravan, one dark persian, one aussie or brit guy with a limp...sold me a surround system.. it works but is a piece of garbage.... the name sounded and looked like klipsch and it was pretty early in the morning,, anyone in vancouver who got scammed and has info please call me or post any relevant info... my number is 778 896 1417...
my own fault but also i was lied to and product grossly mis represented...want to get my money back and return goods. |
Typesor Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Wednesday, February 08, 2006 - 07:02 pm: |
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They found me in Lancaster, PA at the Tanger Outlets around 1:30 today. They didn't seem like they were smart enough to be scamming. I was going from store to store trying to save 10 bucks on a coat when these guys pulled up and easily took 400 from me in return for their bullshit speakers. I don't even know how to explain it. I'm in shock. |
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| Posted on Wednesday, February 08, 2006 - 07:02 pm: |
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have you got the telephone number in vancouver, i got scammed today..
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thissuck realy Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Wednesday, February 08, 2006 - 09:06 pm: |
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there in dallas texas 3 guys one fat ,bald and tats one beard and on irish looking dude, said they work for the home thethere store, in a white van. |
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| Posted on Thursday, February 09, 2006 - 01:45 am: |
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hey ballistico...i got scammed in yaletown, vancouver today...same description and i dont have any more info for you. did you get a receipt? oh the 'aussie' is from new zealand. wish i knew more. pissed off! |
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| Posted on Friday, February 10, 2006 - 06:42 pm: |
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I know where these two guys in a blue dodge van selling mts 3100 system and some tower speakers are going to be monday february 13. On my job site on plymouth ave in belmont Mass. If you want your money back look for the house that has a canton corp sign in front of it they'll be there for the third time. I'm glad I looked this system up. |
bmurray Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Friday, February 10, 2006 - 11:25 pm: |
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Hey I got his address in West Van and phone number. I got ahold of him and got his address and am meeting him tomorow. I will post a followup tomorow. |
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| Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 05:49 pm: |
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I just got screwed over also by the guy in vancover washington, He came allthe way to corvallis oregon. Drives like a older 4runner his name was alex and his number was 3606081461. Called back because i was furious and also i wanted to refund. Told me he was going to talk to the manufactures about it. If you find him give me his adress. |
theRenegade Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 06:31 pm: |
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Hey I got his address in West Van and phone number. I got ahold of him and got his address and am meeting him tomorow. I will post a followup tomorow"
Please do. |
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