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New member Username: Radone
Sydney,
NSW
Australia
Post Number: 4
Registered: Oct-05
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| Posted on Saturday, October 08, 2005 - 06:57 am: |
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And Rienhart, you sound like a know-it-all tool. We all know you can get better systems out there but that's not what we're talking about. Use another thread to hear yourself speak. |
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New member Username: Notsobright
Pennsylvania
U.S.A
Post Number: 9
Registered: Jul-05
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| Posted on Saturday, October 08, 2005 - 04:15 pm: |
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SO WHO MAKES DURABRAND??????? |
Reinhart Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Saturday, October 08, 2005 - 09:44 pm: |
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Mr. Conrad, I "know-it-all" because I really do know this stuff.
The only reason for you to try and insult me is because you either don't know the stuff that's been discussed or you yourself are a tool to the scam.
There are better systems out there, and that's the point. You can get a better system and not be raped in price, quality, and service by buying from a reputable hi-fi dealer.
White van speakers are being sold under the false pretense that they are worth the overinflated prices as suggested by bogus catalogues and literature and that the items sold were "extra inventory" that was "accidentally" provided to the installers who were supposed to install them in some place that would use them professionally.
In other words, blatant lies and high pressure sales tactics are used to push the product for the sale in such a way that it would make a used car salesman blush.
I am providing information to those interested in protecting themselves from such a scheme so they won't fall victim to it. That's the point! - Reinhart |
Reinhart Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Saturday, October 08, 2005 - 09:46 pm: |
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Mr. T.
"Durabrand" is an electronics brand that is owned by Wal-Mart. Another Wal-Mart brand is "iLo." - Reinhart |
Reinhart Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Saturday, October 08, 2005 - 09:58 pm: |
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"THANX FOR CLEARIN THAT UP RIENHART. WE ALL THANK YOU VERY MUCH,BUT I`LL TELL YOU WHAT I DID.I HAD MY SYSTEM HOOKED UP THROUGH THE 5.1,AND I WILL AD THAT IT SOUNDED VERY NICE. THEN MY CD PLAYER HAD THE LEFT CHAN. HOOKED UP TO THE FRONT AND REAR LEFT SPEAKERS,AND THEN THE SAME THING ON THE RIGHT CHANNEL WITH QUICK CONNECT ON THE WIRES NEAR THE CD PLAYER SO WHEN I WAS DONE WITH THE CD PLAYER I WOULD DISCONECT THE WIRES TO MAKE SURE NO ONE COULD TURN ON BOTH AT THE SAME TIME. NOT A BAD IDEA HU RIENHART?"
In other words, you ran the stereo feed to all speakers by splitting each of the channels into two and connected using the 5.1 analogue inputs at FRONT LEFT, FRONT RIGHT, SURROUND LEFT, and SURROUND RIGHT.
Either that, or you connected to those same inputs on the receiver by using both L and R output jacks, if you CD player had two pairs of outputs instead of one.
That's nothing new. If anything, it may have been unnecessary. A better way to do it is to use one of the surround modes on your receiver to achieve the same thing without splitting the stereo feed from the CD player.
As for me, if I'm dealing with a two channel source connected using the analogue outputs, I want to listen to it from two speakers using the ANALOGUE DIRECT mode on my receiver. - Reinhart |
Reinhart Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Saturday, October 08, 2005 - 10:00 pm: |
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Forgot to add something else.
Making four channel surround out of a standard stereo source may also be achieved on a receiver by using both A and B front speaker outputs of the amplifier. - Reinhart |
New member Username: Radone
Sydney,
NSW
Australia
Post Number: 7
Registered: Oct-05
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| Posted on Saturday, October 08, 2005 - 10:24 pm: |
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Please see my previous post. You proved me right. Anyway, I was at a Walmart and saw the scam for what it was. But you still have to wonder what angle anyone is coming from. I just bought some new speakers from a not so well know company and had to be sceptical especially after know about the white van specials exploiting the greedy. I know car and home audio very well and have an electrical and electronic engineering background, both technical and sales, working on UPS, rectifiers, inverters, and large power stations so I understand it from both a sales and technical point of view. The forum discussion is the 'Digital Research Scam' not that there is better equipment out there which is alway going to be the caseeven with better equipment. Reinhart, there is a saying: "would you rather be right or happy?" meaning would you rather prove yourself right and be miserable being right or would you rather be happy and let others go about their lives thinking they are right and letting them go about their life. It's a choice. You sound like you would rather be right and argue the obvious out. Peace be with you, my brutha. |
Reinhart Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Saturday, October 08, 2005 - 11:48 pm: |
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"Please see my previous post. You proved me right."
What, that I'm knowledgable? If so, I'm guilty as charged.
It's better than being an idiot.
"I know car and home audio very well and have an electrical and electronic engineering background, both technical and sales, working on UPS, rectifiers, inverters, and large power stations so I understand it from both a sales and technical point of view."
Then you should also understand why white van speakers are not what the salespeople claim them to be.
"The forum discussion is the 'Digital Research Scam' not that there is better equipment out there which is alway going to be the caseeven with better equipment."
The scam is that people are lead to purchase a piece that was advertised as expensive and superior when they are neither. The point is that the stuff you buy from a hi-fi store will provide simply almost everything that the white van merchandise will not.
"Digital Research" is but one of many white van brands that contribute to this scam.
"Reinhart, there is a saying: 'would you rather be right or happy?'"
I'd rather be right. Because it's bad being happy about something that is WRONG.
"meaning would you rather prove yourself right"
I'm not proving anything to myself.
The reason why I went to such lengths to make my case is because I made claims. When you make claims, you are supposed to back your claims up with facts to validate them.
This is what's called "making a convincing argument." That goes further than trying to throw a smokescreen with such a pointless philosophy. - Reinhart |
New member Username: Radone
Sydney,
NSW
Australia
Post Number: 8
Registered: Oct-05
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| Posted on Sunday, October 09, 2005 - 01:41 am: |
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You've got alot to learn, my friend. A bit defensive, Mr. Reinhart? Perhaps you got took yourself. So how did they get you and how much did you fork out? Did they r much you know about speakers? Or was it the thrill of buying possibly stolen goods that made you feel alive again? Perhaps it the very convincing magazine article. Did you tell everybody about how great they were and how you negotiated such a low price? Do you still have them? I'd love to hear your story. |
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Reinhart Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Sunday, October 09, 2005 - 02:24 am: |
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"You've got alot to learn, my friend. A bit defensive, Mr. Reinhart? Perhaps you got took yourself. So how did they get you and how much did you fork out?"
You do know what they say about assuming, do you?
I will say it again:
I have NEVER purchased white van speakers.
Again now:
I have NEVER purchased white van speakers.
One more time to make it sink:
I have NEVER purchased white van speakers.
What the heck is it with you guys? I voice my opinions and findings on the matter and you all assume that I was suckered?
As I've said before, I have an avid interest in hi-fi, which means also being familiar with the crap as well as the kind of stuff that's actually worth plunking down a couple of grand for.
Part of my hobby also involves repair, and I have repaired loudspeakers, in addition to other A/V components, before.
I've seen these things firsthand in a repair shop, as opposed to being shown by a sales chump in the back of a Chevy Astro (or, in your case being from Australia, a Ford Transit), and they were C.R.A.P. I've heard repair technicians in the shop commenting about them being C.R.A.P. Learning where those crappy speakers came from lead me to research more about it and that's how I've come to know about the scam without being a victim.
Besides, I guess I'm one of the few guys around that has a level of common sense, including knowing when something is too good to be true, much less buying something in a manner that raises more red flags than the Soviet Union during the cold war.
Besides, I would not buy goods from the back of the van for the very reason you think I'd get a thrill if I didn't know about the scam to begin with: the possibility that the goods were stolen. I'm afraid I have a greater sense of ethics than you think I do.
In addition, I buy only if I can audition first. I can't audition and test equipment from a van, nor would I buy anyways, since:
1. Possibility of a ripoff in the event that I am not satisified with the speakers after the sale. Having a van means being mobile, so you can cover your tracks to keep dissatisfied customers from looking for you by providing bad contact info and false business addresses.
2. Can't test the speaker sound out in the field since it won't be the same as the listening environment that the speakers would ultimately go to. This means I'd have to buy the speakers to audition them at home. Re-read reason no. 1.
3. Before I buy, I always research about prospective products using a variety of means, including the internet. Since the white van speakers are scams and that people post on forums, like this one, about them, I would be shown links to websites that have information that would lead me to shoot the deal down.
4. The speakers would never pass some of my tests on the field. One test is to whap the side of the speaker. If the thing sounds hollow and/or emits rattling noises or the like, I will not buy them as those are indications of a badly designed loudspeaker. Good enclosure design is one of many important attributes for a good loudspeaker, and that's one attribute that a lot of people do not realize or understand. It's also one aspect that the white van speakers typically lack.
I've not told you a story because, quite frankly, I don't have one to tell. I've not been had by this. And, because of what I know and because of my values, I never will.
If someone were to come up to me and ask if I'm interested in some speakers, I'll just drive away without paying any attention to that person. - Reinhart |
New member Username: Radone
Sydney,
NSW
Australia
Post Number: 9
Registered: Oct-05
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| Posted on Sunday, October 09, 2005 - 03:12 am: |
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Like putty. Thanks for the good time, I'll catch you later. |
SPKR.GUY Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Sunday, October 09, 2005 - 05:05 am: |
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YO GREG RIENHART SURE IS GOOD FOR A LAUGH HU?
YA HE REALY CRACKS ME AND MY FRIENDS UP IT`S FOR SURE A GOOD TIME. I ALWAYS WANTED TO GO WORK AUSTRALIA HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF SPEAKERMEN DOWN UNDER?
GET BACK TO ME..STFO!! |
Reinhart Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Sunday, October 09, 2005 - 01:52 pm: |
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"Like putty. Thanks for the good time, I'll catch you later."
Believe what you want to.
That doesn't change the truth. - Reinhart |
Reinhart Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Sunday, October 09, 2005 - 02:22 pm: |
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For everyone and anyone researching speakers need to read, particularly pay attention to mistake no. 8:
http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/34579/109262.html
Other points worth reading:
http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/buyingguides/loudspeakers/index.php
(Pay attention to point 3 in the "top ten mistakes")
http://www.scamshield.com/Feature.asp?id=1
http://www.mastersonaudio.com/audio/20030801.htm
http://www.mastersonaudio.com/audio/20030901.htm
http://www.avguide.com/newsletter/Mar_27/whatyoushouldknow_loud.jsp
http://www.silcom.com/%7Ealudwig/Loudspeaker_construction.html
http://www.decware.com/paper13.htm
- Reinhart |
New member Username: Radone
Sydney,
NSW
Australia
Post Number: 10
Registered: Oct-05
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| Posted on Sunday, October 09, 2005 - 08:28 pm: |
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Yeah, he is good entertainment and doesn't even know it. It's seems he really likes having the last word and proving to us that he is right. I don't think the guy slept last night because he was responding to this thread. I'm on a 14 hour time difference in Australia so it was daytime here. Can't wait to see what he has to say next to get his last word in. |
Bronze Member Username: Radone
Sydney,
NSW
Australia
Post Number: 11
Registered: Oct-05
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| Posted on Sunday, October 09, 2005 - 08:34 pm: |
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Hey SpeakerGuy, I think 'white van' speakers would do well here in Australia. Everything is much more expensive here than the USA so buyers would be getting a bargain. A good set of speakers go for 1.5 x the amount you would pay in America. I heard they were being sold in New Zealand but don't know if they are in Oz (Australia) yet. Come on over and check it out yourself. It's beautiful over here. Now snow during winter and the people are really cool and laid back. Not all uptight like some people we know. |
Bronze Member Username: Radone
Sydney,
NSW
Australia
Post Number: 12
Registered: Oct-05
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| Posted on Sunday, October 09, 2005 - 08:35 pm: |
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Hey Reiny, thanks for the links. I have been a regular visitor to Audioholics and some of the other ones. |
doyeler99 Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Sunday, October 09, 2005 - 09:40 pm: |
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Windsor Ont, My buddy just got had!! paid $1000 bucks for two DR1620s, buddies a good guy who fell for the exact same story the rest did. "You'll have to buy me a beer", " We have to sell these or we're going to lose them..." "Look at the price in the mag." This shits hilarious! Said these guys stopped him at the University convienence in a black minivan, deal sounded great, the price was awesome, and so on!!lol. We haven't hooked them up yet, hoping they work somewhat! I won't speak bad of DR yet, got to get proof before i start trashtalkin eh. Hope they work .OUT. |
Bronze Member Username: Radone
Sydney,
NSW
Australia
Post Number: 13
Registered: Oct-05
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| Posted on Sunday, October 09, 2005 - 10:09 pm: |
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$1,000!!! Wow, that speakerman could've stayed home for a couple of days on that sale. I hope your friend actually likes the speakers. If not, he's gonna be PISSED! Did he give him any beer money? Man, I gotta get into this gig. As long as there are guys out there thinking they are getting a super deal by someones apparent mistake, the speakerman will be in business. I don't see that changing anytime soon. |
Reinhart Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Monday, October 10, 2005 - 12:26 am: |
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"$1,000!!! Wow, that speakerman could've stayed home for a couple of days on that sale. I hope your friend actually likes the speakers. If not, he's gonna be PISSED! Did he give him any beer money? Man, I gotta get into this gig."
An example of a person less interested in serving customers and more interested in just getting money off of them.
Would you do business with someone like this?
And, as for being a regular reader of Audioholics, you would also have to be aware of the staff's stance on white van ripoffs, which is the same as my stance. - Reinhart |
SPKR.GUY Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Monday, October 10, 2005 - 01:09 am: |
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I HAVE MORE DOUBLE AND SINGLE GRANDS$$$ THEN I CAN COUNT ON BOTH HANDS ITS NO BIG WOOP JUST RENT PAID IN ONE SALE ALWAYS NICE TO MAKE 900$$$ PROFIT IN ONE SALE!! |
Reinhart Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Monday, October 10, 2005 - 02:00 am: |
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And it's all at the expense of the people you bilked by giving them a product that's all show and no go, no doubt about that.
Like asked others who may read this before: would you do business with anyone who thinks like that? - Reinhart |
Bronze Member Username: Radone
Sydney,
NSW
Australia
Post Number: 14
Registered: Oct-05
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| Posted on Monday, October 10, 2005 - 02:49 am: |
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Reiny, you just gotta have the last word don't you? I bet your 'Life Partner' loves that. Yeah, I do read Audioholics but I don't read every single article, mate. Great for researching new equipment. I'm not a superbig audiophile like you but I enjoy what they have to say. I especially liked the 'speaker cable face off 1 and 2' very interesting considering there are people out there spending huge amounts of $$$ on uni-directional speaker cable. Riddle me this: Are they any better than guys that sell speakers out of the back of a white van? Think about it.
Anyway, BACK TO THE THREAD SUBJECT. If you look at the 'white van speakers scam' for what it is, you have the buyers thinking they are getting a superhot deal at someone else's loss or expense due to a "overstocking error", buying from guys who happen to understand that part of human nature and take advantage of it with glossy brochures and magazines. Try explaining those facts to the Police.
Buyer: "Well officer, I thought I was getting a superhot deal from this guy who said they overstocked his truck and would sell them to me to make a bit for himself and asked for beer money. But it turns out that the speakers were only worth what I paid for them"
Police Officer: "so you bought potentially stolen goods for what they were worth? Hmmm, so who do you want me to arrest?" Misrepresentation at best.
It works both ways; It's not just the question of would you do business with anyone who thinks like that, but are you the type of person to buy goods knowing it is at someone else's loss as they do? Who's the real bad guy? |
SPKR.GUY Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Monday, October 10, 2005 - 03:22 am: |
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RIENHART YES SOME PEOPLE WOULD RATHER DO BUSINESS WITH ME BECAUSE SO MANY DISAGREE WITH YOU THAT THEATER RESEARCH IS AS BAD AS YOU MAKE IT OUT TO BE. SO FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIKE MY SYSTEMS FOR WHAT THEY ARE AND THE PRICE THEY GO FOR THEY COME BACK TO ME FOR ALL THERE AUDIO NEEDS.THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO KNOW WHAT THE PRODUCT IS AND STILL THEY LET THERE EARS BE THE JUDGE. NOT LETING PEOPLE ON AN INTERNET CHATLINE MAKE UP THERE MIND FOR THEM.COOL PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT DUMBASSSSSES . |
Bronze Member Username: Radone
Sydney,
NSW
Australia
Post Number: 16
Registered: Oct-05
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| Posted on Monday, October 10, 2005 - 03:38 am: |
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True, And it's funny to see people, that after stating in here that the speakers are a scam, still go on to say that they like them. So where's the scam? Believe it or not, $3,000 speakers are not made for everyone. Some people don't know or care about the difference when it affects their wallet. Where there's a demand, there will be a product and where there's a product, there will be a supplier. In this case it just happens to be guys in white vans. Just the nature of the beast. Shares, speaker cables, bling bling watches or speakers, it's all part of the machine. |
New member Username: Cool_bill
Newark,
DE
Post Number: 1
Registered: Oct-05
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| Posted on Monday, October 10, 2005 - 04:53 am: |
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Hey I just bought these speakers this weekend. Why are they a scam? they sound pretty good for the price. Hell i just wanted to see how much they are really worth. I didnt think they were really worth all that much anyway. SPKR.GUY and Greg are right about how some people like them so it don't matter what anyone else says as long as I like them. I got a little pioneer receiver and dvd hooded to em and they sound pretty good. I was at home depot and these guys say hey you like quality speakers,,,well you know the rest. pretty good deal considering I only paid 250 bucks for them. at best buys they would cost twice as much and youd only get two speakers and I got five. There just speakers and Ive always wanted a home theater system in my family room. I didnt buy that they were worth $2000 and I didnt buy them because I believed they really loaded up to many in the van, i liked the way they looked, the guys were cool and I had $250 on me. Its the guys that think they are getting a real steal and actually think they are buying them illegally that should be ashamed and then trash them on this webpage saying they got ripped off. and whats going on with that reinhart guy? he sounds like we all care that he knows about stereos and all that. Well buddy, take it somewhere else we all know there are better speakers out there but whos getting scammed? Us or you the guy that spends all kinds of money on speakers and stereo stuff and then comlains about speakers he doesnt even own? Get real buddy and get lost. Take it easy spkr.guy and greg, I have to go to work. In the meantime Ill be enjoying these speakers and I might just tell all my buddys about them but I wont be telling them I got ripped off. |
Reinhart Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Monday, October 10, 2005 - 11:50 am: |
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Ecoustics is an audiophile website.
If you think that hi-fi is a hobby where something that's merely decent is good enough, then this is not exactly the right place for you guys.
Hi-Fi requires quality equipment designed to deliver audio for the purpose of accuracy.
Accuracy is a very difficult thing to achieve with audio and takes high quality equipment to make it happen. This quality costs more money, but that's because more effort was put into design and higher quality components are used.
And, when I talk about high quality, I'm not talking about mass produced equipment you can find at a Best Buy. I'm talking about high class components from some Japanese mass manufacturers, including stuff that's not sold at places like Best Buy, as well as truly premium audio gear that isn't so mainstream that was designed and built in the USA, Japan, and Europe.
Some of you Americans may like your white van speakers, but they would get such a panning in the English hi-fi press. - Reinhart |
Nickyfrmvegas Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Monday, October 10, 2005 - 03:45 pm: |
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LOL we are in LONDEN  REINHART it sound like you are on the wrong post! lol |
Bronze Member Username: Radone
Sydney,
NSW
Australia
Post Number: 17
Registered: Oct-05
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| Posted on Monday, October 10, 2005 - 04:31 pm: |
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Hold on, what does this have to do with just Americans? White van speakers are all over the world. If you look they took a panning from the American Hi-Fi press as well but people are still buying them and obviously there are still people who like them regardless of what the English hi-fi press or you have to say. I know you will debate this and it's for another thread but Americans make some of the best speakers in the world. Sure there are some great European and poofda English ones but in the last 20 years it's been American speakers. And this comes from a guy that owned a very beautiful pair of Vintage Wharfedale Dovedales.
Reiny, you need to get over yourself. Why don't you pander to your fellow audiophiles on others posts if you are so into accuracy and quality? Or have they turned you away as well? Why are you digging in the dirt here when you don't even own the speakers? You've been shot down time and again and you keep on coming back for more to get the last word in. If everybody here just said "Reinhart, you're right" would you leave it at that or is there something more you'd have to point out? Perhaps it's not just about speakers, maybe it's something else. |
New member Username: Cool_bill
Newark,
DE
Post Number: 2
Registered: Oct-05
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| Posted on Monday, October 10, 2005 - 05:04 pm: |
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heh heh, you tell him. Maybe he wet his bed as a child. Who knows? Get off your high horse buddy and tell someone that gives a fcvk. Like the guy said expensive speakers arent for everyone. I told my wife and kids about you yesterday and they had a laugh. They dont seem to care that they only cost $250 while we are having a good time watching movies. Theres more to life than worrying about where your speakers came from and how much they cost. And what is your point? I came here wondering about -the digital research speaker scam- and here reignhart is prancing around talking about other stuff that I dont seem to care about. I still havent been convinced its a scam if I only paid $250. |
Reinhart Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Monday, October 10, 2005 - 07:01 pm: |
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"You've been shot down time and again and you keep on coming back for more to get the last word in."
Shot down? How so?
What magically changes the facts? - Reinhart |
Reinhart Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Monday, October 10, 2005 - 07:18 pm: |
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"I told my wife and kids about you yesterday and they had a laugh. They dont seem to care that they only cost $250 while we are having a good time watching movies. Theres more to life than worrying about where your speakers came from and how much they cost. And what is your point?"
It's about what you actually got.
You were put under the impression that the speakers you paid $250 for were used professionally and are of high caliber.
The simple fact is that they are not what they are advertised to be. These speakers are not used professionally at all and are made in a level worse than the typical low end speaker from a retail establishment.
You were sold under misrepresentation, whether you like what you got or not. That's the point.
And, as for you paying $250, you likely could've gotten a pair of new KLH towers from an electronics store that would've cost you about $150 a pair and would have gotten a level of quality out of them that's higher than your Digital Research speakers, and that doesn't even bring to light manufacturer warranty support and the store return/exchange policy.
Your equipment is an investment, so it pays to have something that's actually what you thought you were spending your money on.
As some other guy around the net once said about these white van speakers: "Save your goddamn money." - Reinhart |
Bronze Member Username: Radone
Sydney,
NSW
Australia
Post Number: 18
Registered: Oct-05
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| Posted on Monday, October 10, 2005 - 07:46 pm: |
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Reiny, you still don't get it. It's not even fun messing with you anymore. You remind me of the boss in that Brit show 'the Office'. Sad. It sounds like William is happy with his 'investment' so piss off. Apparently people buy things for different reasons than you but you can't comprehend that. Others would have stopped trying but you still insist. Weird. Anyway, please have the last word and I'm sure you'll always have it until you breathe your last breath but that's your business. Prove us wrong. Good luck in life, my friend. One day it'll all click. STFO!!! |
Reinhart Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Monday, October 10, 2005 - 08:12 pm: |
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"Prove us wrong."
I already have, countless times.
The only ones that disagree are the ones who are selling these poor excuses for speakers. - Reinhart |
Reinhart Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Monday, October 10, 2005 - 08:13 pm: |
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"Prove us wrong."
I already have, countless times.
The only ones that disagree are the ones who are selling these poor excuses for speakers. - Reinhart |
SPKR.GUY Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - 01:47 am: |
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I CAN PROVE YOUR WRONG (The only ones that disgree are the ones who are selling these poor excuses for speakers.)YOUR WRONG RIENHART THERES A LOT PEOPLE ON HERE THAT BOUGHT THE SPEAKERS AND ARE HAPPY WITH THEM LOOK AT CONRAD HE HASNT SOLD NOR BOUGHT SPEAKERS AND HE DOESNT AGREE WITH AT ALL.. HU GREG YOU TELL HIM BRO. |
New member Username: Cool_bill
Newark,
DE
Post Number: 3
Registered: Oct-05
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| Posted on Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - 02:02 am: |
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lol. This reinhart guy aint too bright is he? Whats your problem buddy? You dont even own the speakers but you keep trashing them. I already said I was happy with them and thats all that matters but you keep going on and on and on. I said I got 5 speakers for $250. I dont care about KLH or whatever. They never told me they were professional speakers and i never thought that they were worth $2000. Get a clue buddy and pull the pud out of your ears. Dont worry about getting the last word either because i wont be returning to this site if theres guys like you logging on. Youre like a goddamn woman. Not my woman though because I wouldve b!tchslapped you by now. |
New member Username: Jb46292
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| Posted on Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - 03:07 am: |
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i was duped today in Austin. same old story. I have to say, the speakers sound pretty good to me, but i'm no "pro." (so why do i need 'professional' speakers, one might ask).
The problem is that these 'salesmen' are misrepresenting the product. plain and simple. things should be sold as is, not as believed.
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Renihart Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - 03:40 am: |
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"Youre like a goddamn woman. Not my woman though because I wouldve b!tchslapped you by now."
Not without you getting a couple of shots of .45 hollowpoint first. - Reinhart |
Bronze Member Username: Radone
Sydney,
NSW
Australia
Post Number: 19
Registered: Oct-05
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| Posted on Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - 04:12 am: |
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I agree, if anything misrepresentation is definitely a problem.
Hey SPKR.GUY I hear ya, mate. As long as people are somewhat happy with them who cares what me, you, that weasel Reinhart or anybody else has to say. As far as Reinhart goes, let him think what he wants thinking he's right about everything and trying to prove it. I'd rather not waste anymore time or words on him. The guy needs to address some personal issues and just let go. Unfortunately, I've met guys like him. I'm sure he's the life of the party whereever he goes. Give him a month or two and he'll be at it with someone else. Guys like him live for it. |
Patrolman Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - 01:12 pm: |
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Keep up the good fight, Reinhart. |
Reinhart Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - 02:16 pm: |
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"I agree, if anything misrepresentation is definitely a problem."
Then why support a business that's dependent on it? That's how these speakers are moved.
If the speakers were truthfully described as what they actually are, then people will not buy them.
These things were designed for one purpose only: to get as much money out of the targeted hit as possible.
The sellers generally don't care about customer satisfaction if the speakers don't deliver what they were represented to give to the buyer.
Then, the buyer typically has to work hard and fast, within three days according to law, to try and find the base establishment that was responsible for employing the sellers to obtain a full refund before it's legally too late.
Do you have to face this level of dishonesty and work this hard and fast to get satisfaction from a reputable retail establishment?
"As far as Reinhart goes, let him think what he wants thinking he's right about everything and trying to prove it"
And then you go agreeing with one of the points me and others have brought up: misrepresentation.
Doubletalk, anyone?
"Give him a month or two and he'll be at it with someone else. Guys like him live for it."
Much like how you want to live for ripping people off? You did say on numerous occasions that you wanted in on this kind of gig, didn't you?
You get into a business like this, you have to lie and cheat in some of the worst ways possible to make your money. Misrepresentation is basically a fancy word for lying.
You have to convince your hit that the merchandise is worth a couple of thousand of dollars and make him think about what kind of deal he's getting at $500, and you have materials such as catalogues and fabricated magazines to try and further sway the hit towards the sale.
When the hit is pursuaded by razzle and dazzle, unable to make a logical conclusion due to the overwhelming emotional manipulation, convinced that this is such a "once-in-a-lifetime deal," then you get him to pay as much as possible for the goods. Then, you play on his potential guilt about how you were "swindled" in the deal by the hit by asking for beer money as compensation for such a "bargain" of a buy.
The only gig that's worse than this scam is insurance fraud.
This is a crooked business. It's also unfortunately legal, but sometimes what's legal isn't always right. That's where ethics and common sense are supposed to kick in: to help you determine what is right and what is wrong.
A lot of buyers need to learn about common sense and ethics very much. But that still doesn't make this kind of business right. And the displays of deluded and misguided righteousness by the speaker pushers and even some of the victims shows the kind of attitude and morals that people supportive of such a business have.
There's what you believe, then there's reality. And the reality is that the buyers were suckers no matter what they believe, and the sellers usually get away with it. - Reinhart |
Reinhart Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - 02:26 pm: |
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To Patrolman...
I've read some of your posts before and you offered good advice.
Be careful out there and stay true and safe on the beat. - Reinhart |
skateboarder Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - 08:38 pm: |
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well i also bought a system from a dude in his 20s i bought 2 of the dr1620s and a 5 speaker system called the global digital dr 8600. now i realize that i got scammed the second i came on this sight. the person who sold me them was dishonest and i am a very trusting person. i just moved into a sweet place that is 2000 square feet. i had no intention of selling them for profit i just wanted a speaker system for my new house. i gave him 600 dollors that i had to borrow from a good friend of mine. i would of been ok with the fact that i was sold merchandise that want authentic. but the fact that i was lied to and when i plugged in the system it sounded worse then the speakers that came with my dell computer really disappoints me in a way that affects my faith in humainity. now i have to tell my friend that the system that he selflessly lent me money to buy doesnt work well at all. i was really excited and was really hoping that it was gonna be great. but i guess that when it is too good to be true, it really isnt. :to the speaker guy- lying is a very bad thing to do, the karma will get u believe me, i know. And to reinhart-what is it you are getting out of relentlessly writing about this. just a curious question. |
skateboarder Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Tuesday, October 11, 2005 - 08:58 pm: |
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you know what also really sucks i brought him to my house and showed him where they were gonna go and i gave him a pepsi, and all he could do was lie to me about how they were such high quality speakers. upon intrucing myself to him and inviting him into my home i issued trust to someone who i didnt know. money is just money my concern is that i was lied to and not to be a cry baby but it hurt me to know that i was played in such a way. to those who sell the systems look into the eyes of the consumers and read into them, ask yourself if these people deserve it. i truely dont think i did. |
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| Posted on Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 12:35 am: |
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figgin A, karma's gonna get those a$$h*les
i hope |
Reinhart Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 12:35 am: |
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