Forrest Vs. Evans-I'm hoping Rashad takes it just because I'm not a huge fan of Forrest.
How can you not be a fan of him?!? Hes a great fighter and hes SO humble! After the fight tonight he said how he was defeated and congratulated Sugar on a good fight AT LEAST 4 times. Hes a great, humble guy and an awesome fighter...Forrest had the stand up, no doubt. Once it hit the mat, it was a different game though. Great fight either way.
All around, except for Rampage, (who deserved the win) tonight was a disappointment for me. I paid $45.00, plus liquor and food too see my favorites get laid out
I wish Massenzio would have taken Dollaway just because of the college thing they had going on but, oh well. Twas a good fight no matter what.
As for Mir/Nogueria, I was pulling for Nogueria big time. I like both but would have rather seen Nogueria win. Mir has a great "come back story but Nogueria seems so humble you can't help but like him.
Too bad Junie Browning wasnt in this one. I would love to see him get knocked into next week!
Rob I agree about Kongo. He's been kind of boring in the past but I think that was because he was SOOOO one-dimensional before. Now that he's getting so much more comfortable with with the rest of MMA, I think he'll start to let loose what is undeniably some vicious striking.
Mir was unbelievable. He could really restore credibility to what has been a weak division in the UFC. I'm already waiting on pins and needles for Mir v. Lesnar II.
Funny thing about Forrest is I actually suspected before this fight (and moreso after) that he may have a glass jaw. The beatings he's endured to get his "super tough" reputation involved mostly shots to the nose/eyes/face that get bl0ody and swollen and look worse than they are. I can think of two times that he's really been ROCKED on the jaw, Rashad and Jardine, and both times he was knocked out cold. The other problem with Forrest is he just doesn't seem to be a knockout threat, he's just not an explosive striker.
".Forrest had the stand up, no doubt. Once it hit the mat, it was a different game though. Great fight either way. "
Do you realize that the reason it went to the ground was because Rashad had better stand up? I don't think you do. The reason it went to the ground is because Forrest made a mistake and threw a kick that Rashad CAUGHT and then Forrest caught a countering right hand from Rashad with his face which knocked Forrest on his azz(this shows how great RASHAD'S stand up is). Saying Forrest had the stand up is just retarded.
"Funny thing about Forrest is I actually suspected before this fight (and moreso after) that he may have a glass jaw. The beatings he's endured to get his "super tough" reputation involved mostly shots to the nose/eyes/face that get bl0ody and swollen and look worse than they are. I can think of two times that he's really been ROCKED on the jaw, Rashad and Jardine, and both times he was knocked out cold. The other problem with Forrest is he just doesn't seem to be a knockout threat, he's just not an explosive striker."
I couldn't agree more haha. I thought the exact same things. I'm glad to see the belt around Rashad's waist.
"Rob I agree about Kongo. He's been kind of boring in the past but I think that was because he was SOOOO one-dimensional before. Now that he's getting so much more comfortable with with the rest of MMA, I think he'll start to let loose what is undeniably some vicious striking."
What I think brought out the monster in Kongo was the knee to the groin that he took. After recovering he returned the exact same knee to Al Turk and then just unleashed his demons. I honestly think that knee to his groin flipped a switch and pissed him off which caused him to fight how he did.
I think Dan Handerson will win and Shogun will too. But the fight I am looking forward to is Marcus Davis vs Chris Lytle. Both are tough and both are pretty good on their feet. Davis having a good boxing background and Lytle is just a decent all around fighter. Davis has repeatedly challenged Lytle to keep it standing up, so they have a "gentlemen's agreement" to do so. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.
While I am here, you guys should check this fight out, its a pretty good one.
Yea, Shogun is trash in comparison to the other 205 pounders. From what I saw, he doesn't belong in the UFC. Now he'll feed Chuck Liddell a victory and they'll try putting Chuck back at the top.
I wish I had named this thread "MMA" but I didn't, big fail. Guys, make sure you check out the Fedor Vs. Arlovski fight this weekend. I'd say it will be a great fight but I think Fedor will destroy him like nothing, Arlovski was barely able to beat Big Ben Rothwell so...
He's just really overrated to me, and for arbitrary reasons I just find him obnoxious.
At 170 he beat a bunch of nobodies, his best wins were probably against Karo Parisian (HUGELY overrated; never in shape), and Joe Riggs (workout warrior, not a great fighter), and Nick Diaz which I'll give him credit for I guess, Nick is a bad dude.
Jon Fitch beat him, and Josh Koscheck OWNED him, so he basically dropped weight cause he couldn't hang at 170.
On the bright side, if he does beat Joe daddy, hopefully we'll get to see a rematch against Florian, this time in Florian's weight class... Florian will absolutely sh!t on Sanchez at 155 pounds 100% guaranteed. Hope we see that fight in the near future.
I don't really care too much about Sanchez Vs Stevenson but...Joe looked like complete trash in his last fight so I dunno. I'd prefer that Sanchez wins for the same reason Pit mentioned, to see him get raped by Florian.
I wouldn't be surprised or disappointed really. My "prediction" was really more of a hope. I'm not a fan of Stevenson or anything, I just dislike Sanchez and look forward to seeing him get owned... If it isn't against Joe daddy, they'll probably move him up to a title-shot fight pretty quickly against one of the 155lb elites, where he WILL get destroyed.
Jardine is an ugly, awkward mother f@#$er, with NASTY leg kicks... and the leg kicks were what changed the fight for Griffin when he took Ramp's title. Ramp better be in crazy shape and ready to dance.
With that said, I feel like Ramp's gonna be hungry, I like what I've heard from him in interviews and such, he wants it bad... I'll say Ramp knocks Jardine's ugly as$ out Saturday night.
I don't remember seeing Shane Carwin fight before? Hope he wins though, Gonzaga annoys me with that stupid monster face he makes.
Gonzaga is fuck1ng a 10-0 monster. 6' 3'' 262(?) Should be a good fight as well.
What the hell kind of crack was I on? Haha.
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With that said, I feel like Ramp's gonna be hungry, I like what I've heard from him in interviews and such, he wants it bad... I'll say Ramp knocks Jardine's ugly as$ out Saturday night.
I don't remember seeing Shane Carwin fight before? Hope he wins though, Gonzaga annoys me with that stupid monster face he makes.
I wanna see Rob vs. Reece though one day
My god, Carwin has insane K.O. power, he threw half of a punch and knocked Gonzaga out like nothing. Rampage definitely put it to Jardine but Jardine absorbed like 8 MEAN shots to the jaw and kept getting up, very, very impressed with Jardine's ability to take a beating haha. As far as Rob Vs. Reece goes, that would be silly, I'd have to gain like 75 pounds to be at his weight or he'd have to lose. My friends say I look like I'm 185-190 though even though I'm 160 so I'm eventually going to be a huge 155 pounder. I may actually cut to 140, my buddy keeps begging me to fight because he's seen me in the streets haha. I don't want to get too involved with MMA because I know it will end up absorbing my whole life. Kind of like working out that I spend quite a bit of time doing.
I was wondering the same thing Rob... say no to drinking and posting
I agree about Carwin, sick power. Not surprising as he is 6'3" ~265lbs, doesn't carry much fat, and as a former standout wrestler/football player, he knows how to generate power from his hips. You could tell the way he turned his whole body, he's not playing around with little arm punches, he throws to knock people's heads off. Using the whole kinetic chain FTW!
Jardine did do a good job of hanging in there. Although I thought the kick to Rampages junk in the 2nd round was intentional. It was just after Ramp had him really rocked, and I've NEVER seen an "inside leg kick" come from that angle... it was like a 10 year old girl kicking straight up into a kids nuts on the playground. The best run of Jardine's career is probably behind him now, I think he caught some people with a little luck cause he's awkward and unorthodox. I don't think he'll ever be that close to title contention again.
Jackson vs. Evans should be insane. Both guys love to dance around and box, both guys are supremely athletic with great wrestling, should be a great fight. Early thoughts, Evans might be small, he can easily fight at 185, Ramp can't.
P.S. Completely unrelated; ever done towel grip pull ups? Good times. Did them for the first time ever today, my hands and forearms are sore as hell.
WHOA!... Just glanced at some of the upcoming fight cards... happened to notice the date for Evans vs. Jackson at the MGM Grand, May 23rd... I'm gonna be in Vegas for that Might have to see about some tickets!!!
Actually was thinking about trying to get some tickets to see Miguel Torres in Chi town on April 5th too... Torres is a bad mother f@#$er.
P.S. Completely unrelated; ever done towel grip pull ups? Good times. Did them for the first time ever today, my hands and forearms are sore as hell.
Can't say I have haha, I stick with the power lifting exercises mostly but I do bent over barbell rows and normal pull ups, I've never tried towel grip pull ups.
I saw Torres nearly get beat back in his earlier day haha, he basically cheated to win. He was nearly submitted but he kept crawling through the ropes since it was in a ring and the ref would have to restart the fight...on feet. It was pretty sh1tty of him to do it but I guess if you can abuse the rules...might as well.
I have the same philosophy. Every program should be designed around the big compound lifts. If you like variety, try the towel grips in place of your regular pull-ups. It's the same exercise, just instead of gripping the bar you wrap a little towel (or t-shirt or w/e it doesn't matter) around the bar and grip that instead. Just makes it more difficult to hold on. I've never done any exercise that matches this in terms of grip strength.
Ha, if you haven't had anything that matches grip strength I bet you haven't done really heavy deadlifts Looks like a pretty good workout though, one reason I'd like doing those for grip strength is because it doesn't look like it tears up your hands like the heavy aass weights.
"Ha, if you haven't had anything that matches grip strength I bet you haven't done really heavy deadlifts"
Well I meant outside of the obvious lol. Heavy deads are the classic test of grip strength, they invented straps for a reason! (p.s. Way I was taught: If straps were used, it didn't count.)
I used to use the heavy grippers Mark, they're pretty cool. I guess I just think the towel grips, and also wrist rollers, give a bit more of a functional/dynamic workout to the hands & forearms.
get a 4x4 or an I-Beam that is about same height as a pull up bar, then with finertips touching from both hands do a pull up till top of head almost touches 4x4 or i-beam, then walk(using fingertips only) the length of the beam. It will hammer your tendons all thru your arms. Keep in mind without tendons, your muscles mean nothing. or get a bounch of 1/2 gallon paint cans filled w/ sand make a pyrmidwith the then using only fingertipsgrab tops of cans and restack pyrmids. you will feel the burn. both are great (tested by national and world champions) workouts.
Meh, I hope Rashad wins. I don't like Machida. There are counter-fighters, and then there are fighters who fight to not lose, Machida is the latter to me.
He may be undefeated, but what significant wins does he have other than Thiago Silva? A supremely washed up Tito Ortiz? Sokojou (sp) on a bad knee?
He's more about self-defense than fighting IMO... I hope Sugar Shad kills him. He doesn't even deserve the shot if you look at his record. I don't care if he's undefeated, you need to have some top tier wins before you get a title shot, he doesn't have them. This fell into his lap because Ramp is injured.
lol... up until his last couple of fights Rashad was KING of the unfinishers or fighting not to lose, but hey, a win is a win! They have both surprized me lately, should be interesting. I'll take L.M. by unam. decision.
"up until his last couple of fights Rashad was KING of the unfinishers or fighting not to lose"
I wouldn't say that's accurate. You're thinking back to like, what, 2006?... in his first couple fights after winning TUF? Since then he KO'ed Jason Lambert, knocked Salmon's head clean off, out struck a VERY polished standup fighter in Michael Bisping, and then knocked out two champions in Griffin and Liddell.
Shad is a far better athlete and overall fighter to me. With that said, this could be a tricky matchup for him. He likes to throw a lot of short quick hooks and stuff, and he's pretty stocky for 205... Machidas goofy stance and those straight kicks could give Shad problems getting close enough to unleash. We'll see.
he sure did - salmon just loves getting killed. i guess thats what you get for being a buckeye
i like bisbing a lot but i will say that his win in england over Hamill was complete BS. it seems like bisbing is always in great shape, but i dont see many of his punches really hurting someone
Considering Lyoto hasn't taken but a few hits in all of his fights combined it's going to be a tough fight for Rashad, the only way I see Rashad winning is if he takes it to the ground and uses his amazing wrestling. I like Lyoto more and I'd like to see either guy win, I definitely am a Rashad fan as well but Lyoto is exactly what a fighter should be, he avoids all damage and deals it. He finishes fights as well. Also, take a look at how badly Lyoto beat Thiago and Thiago has fought some very good fighters as well. Should be a great fight.
Pretty good night for what didn't look like a very exciting fight card.
The main even was a GREAT fight. Although I didn't agree with the decision... I thought Carlos Condit won that fight. The submission attempts pretty much canceled out, couple of chokes and heel locks attempted by each fighter, but I thought Condit landed cleaner shots and did more damage.
Griffin/Dos Anjos was a good fight too. Although I felt Dos Anjos would've faired better had he tried to take the fight to the ground more. In the short time they did spend on the ground, he had Griffin in a NASTY leg lock, and almost locked up a kimora too. It seems like a lot of fighters (Dos Anjos tonight) abandon what might be a better game plan, for vain reasons... wanting to prove their standup abilities and/or score a more crowd-pleasing victory... Oh well I like Griffin a lot anyways so I'm glad he won.
It was actually a surprisingly good night for a small event. I would have liked to see more from Griffin but he did win the fight. Carlos Condit won the first two rounds in my opinion but it seemed like he really gave up that last round. Either way, winning 2 rounds out of 3 I believe he won that fight as well.
Anyone notice how TUF seems too good to be true so far? All fights were great and UNBELIEVABLY exciting. It just seems fishy to me that all the fights could be so good, it's possible but TUF has never been so good and it makes me wonder =/
Lol. If they really do fight, I think Silva will murder GSP.
Well, GSP has to first get through his match against Thiago Alves who does pose a threat. That's assuming Thiago even makes weight haha, the guy is a MONSTER in that weight class and he didn't make weight for his match against Matt Hughes. There's talk of Andersen Silva having another match at 205 but Dana White is far from happy with his match against Thales Leites, Thales should be let go from the UFC in my opinion. He didn't come into that match to fight, he went into that fight wanting to take a nap. I understand how it's a good idea to avoid damage but after you've lost 3 out of 5 rounds you better either try to deal damage or submit your opponent, don't just go into the fetal because you're not going to win like that. Anyhow, Shogun looked like a completely different fighter and I'm now happy with him, he looks like the old Shogun that I used to see and he put Chuck Liddell into his UFC grave, he will no longer be seen on the canvas according to UFC president Dana White but he will be working for the UFC. Cheick Kongo also looked very impressive for once, he came out and went for the kill, it seems he's improving greatly and has learned that you do have to put forth some aggression and not just be a defense wh0re. I'm excited to see Evans Vs. Lyoto as 2 undefeated fighters will enter the octagon but if you look at every fight from both of them you'd have to say that Lyoto is the much better fighter. He has avoided damage in all of his fights and his closest loss was from Tito through a submission attempt, funny how Rashad's draw is from Tito. It seems he gave each of them their best fight haha. Anyhow, I'd have to say Lyoto wins it as he's a much more precises striker and is very elusive in all aspects. Rashad seems to be a very powerful wrestler though and Tito was as well but Lyoto managed to shake him off like nothing. I think it will be a close fight but I believe Lyoto's insane and elusive style of karate will get the best of Rashad to win the belt. Also, I'm kind of excited to see Matt Vs. Matt and hopefully Hughes wins it because I think Serra is a douche but Hughes is pretty much only a wrestler so I think Serra has a better all-around game. Hopefully Yushin Okami wins and I hope to see that cheater Sean Sherk gets his a ss kicked. I hope to see improvement from Houston Alexander and want to see him move back up the ladder 205. That's enough of this book of a post haha.
I don't know how Serra has gotten so many people to think he's an a$shole... he seems like a funny, down to earth kinda dude to me.
Hughes on the other hand is an arrogant meathead. He did several things on his season as TUF coach that annoyed the hell outta me, including repeatedly trying to force his guys to read bible verses.
Hughes is a washed up waterhead, but if he is on his game the he should beat Serra. I have 50 on it..
As for Silva Vs. Griffin. That is a thinker and a no-brainer at the same time.
Common sense tells me that silva shoud take Griffin apart, and he finishes with the best of em... Even though he's giving up size-he is ranked #1 pound for pound. Griffin on the other hand is My dude. Great heart, ability, and man does he like to bang. I still watch his fight with Bonner. Got to be one of the, if not, THE best fight ever. I cant root against him. HGe is huble and has great sportsmanship. Sh!t, it took a great MAN to accept the BS loss to Tito like he did. That decision fu<ked ME up, so I know if had to torment him. I have my gut instint telling me who is gonna win, but I refuse to say it. I don't want to put the jinx on him. This fight is by no means a walk thru- either way. Great match making from the UFC.
I hope Matt Hughes beats cocky Matt Serra but on paper it won't happen. Matt Serra has more tools than Hughes and much better stand-up, everyone knows that Matt Hughes is pretty much a wrestler and that's it...this is supposed to be Matt Hughes last fight so we'll see if that holds truth.
As far as Griffin Vs Silva goes....I'm just LOL'ing how people think it will be a remotely good fight, Griffin is nothing impressive in my opinion as he just BARELY climbed his way to that belt and beat Rampage who DIDN'T EVEN TRAIN for that match-up haha, Rampage was such a head case and he didn't even try, he just let Forrest win it and he barely won that fight. All my crap talk aside, I do hope for a good fight but I don't see it happening that's all. I think Griffin is trash and Silva is nothing short of amazing.
We're getting ahead of ourselves though, 22 MORE DAYS!!!!
I was somewhat agreeing with you by saying the Silva-Griffin is a no brainer..But IF (and it is a big if) Anderson goes in this fight with a preconceived notion that he will dominate EVERY aspect of Griffin's abilities, the it will be a good fight and would lower his chances for a victory. If he goes and plays to Forrests strengths, then it will be interesting (Silva still having an advantage-but Forrest still having more than a punchers chance). Griffin is far from trash.. Not only is he a champion (however you may feel about that), But he is a positive influence and promoter of MMA and the UFC. You don't beat Rua, Jackson, Ortiz(he DID win- fu<k you if you won't admit it-LMAO), ect... by being trash. My personal opinion- He beats Evans 7 out of 10 fight.. Just not the last one. FTL. I started off HATING Evans. He is a great athlete but didn't finish his fights. He is not the same Evans now. I give him props for that.. Although I am still not a fan, He deserves the belt and is a pretty good dude. L. Machita, came out of nowhere. My first thought back at UFC 67 (i think) was WTF, A Karate fighter..... IN the UFC... Oh wait, he does have a black belt in BJJ. Could be interesting. Then the fight went the distance. Well I shrugged it off. Forgot about him. The he wins the next 2 against better opponents(still by unan. decisions. Well still going, then he fights Sokoudjou , Who had recently knocked out Nog, and Arona in under 2 mins. finally, we will see what Karate kid has.. lol KO'ed Sokoudjou . Okay. He has my attention and resect..He also has a new fan.. I'll take him to beat Evans. They both have a way of making their victories look easy. gonna be interesting.
I REALLY can't wait for UFC 100. I know I'll be arguing with everyone here lol. Well probably. Lesnar WILL MAIM Mir. hopefully. LMAO
Mark, you should watch Lyoto's fight where he dominated Rich Franklin. I had it in my head that Rashad could out wrestle Lyoto but after seeing Lyoto fight a heavyweight(Sam Greco I believe...) (235 pounder) and having more strength I don't see it. Rashad has a great chin though from what I've seen so I really don't think a K.O. will happen but you never know. I still see Lyoto winning no matter what. After reviewing Griffins record I'll say it again, in my opinion he's trash and he's going to be slaughtered by Silva. I've been waiting so long for Saturday and I don't think I'll sleep tonight or tomorrow night because I'm too excited for a couple of reasons. One for the huge fight of Lyoto vs Rashad and two I'm coming off of my super strict and insane diet =/ I can't even believe that I made it through this sh1t.
I loved it... Made my weekend. I called it 3-4 mins in 2nd round (ufc Fantasy) ko. only one I got 100% correct. I won $50 on the Hughes win as well. Machida will be there a while-imo. Wonder if a Machida-Silva fight can be in the works after Griffin gets beat? I don't see anyone at 185 giving Silva a real run. And as bad a GSP is, I don't think he could win 99 times out of 100 against Silva. But I have been wrong before.
So far as I know, Machida has never lost a round, and he has fought Sokoudjou, Tito,Evans, Franklin, Bonner, Theilgo, Hogar, Heath, ect... And a few of them were undeafeted at that time. He is impressive to say the least.
It is gonna take an explosive striker to beat him standing up. Someone whos standup overwhelmes his counter punching style. Or an equally talented counter puncher. But that would be harder to find since he is soooo ellusive. CroCop in his prime would have been a great matchup, but it looks as if he has run his course, unfortunatly. I would take Fedor over Machida if UFC would dish out the dough. but I don't think he would make weight for that class, but I can wish.
I know that this is gonna tick a few people off and it won't happen due to weight and size difference, But I would bet that Lesnar would beat him. lol i know, I know.
Any input on Lesnar/Mir rematch? Would love to open this can of worms.
I'll take lesnar via brutal G-N-P!..,2nd round I know he is workin' his sub defense.
i don't see anyone contesting any of the 3 weight classes I was refering to, anytime soon. But who really knows... I've seen too many upsets to rule anything out++.
I was very surprised to see Rashad knocked out and as everyone saw he has an amazing chin but took way too many shots. As for the Silva Vs. Machida fight it isn't supposed to ever happen. Silva and Machida train together and are good friends and have said that they'll never fight each other but money talks. If Machida and Lesnar were in the same weight class I guarantee Machida would win easily. Fedor could easily make weight to fight in 205 look up his stats and look at his body, he has plenty of weight he can drop but he never cuts weight for his fights. Now for Mir Vs. Lesnar, it's a tough one but on paper it goes to Lesnar as long as he doesn't get caught with a submission again but Mir is no joke and is still getting back into the game. He was out for a long time from injuries and never came back the same. I hope that it's a great war though.
If Machida and Lesnar were in the same weight class I guarantee Machida would win easily.
Well for that to happen, Lesnar(who cuts weight to make 265) dropping weight would be out of the question, so that leaves Machida to put on 40 + pounds. That being said, I don't see ANY possibility of Machida winning that fight. Very few people can carry that kind of weight and still be as quick and explosive as Lasnar. He is definately a rare breed to say the least. That dude is AMAZING to look at (NO H0MO) and he moves like a 185'er.. Very few want a peice of Lesnar and I respect that. I wouldn't want to see that dude in the octagon. He is a monster and takes hurting people very seriously. lol
/quote{Well for that to happen, Lesnar(who cuts weight to make 265) dropping weight would be out of the question,}
Not true, Brock carries a lot of body fat and he could cut probably 30 pounds of fat alone. If he muscle wastes another 40 pounds(this would be a bad idea) away he could make that weight. Would it be a good idea? Nope. Is it possible? Yes.
Anyhow, it's a stupid match to even talk about haha. I agree with you that Brock is a beast, I've never seen such a big guy that is so agile but still so insanely powerful. I wonder how much he's improved over all this time of training. That is going to be one hell of a fight card Mark. Also, I think you just like Lesnar because Brock is part of your last name you h0mo! Just playin.
What do you mean "how"?... Funny to me how fans are acting like Forrest has NO CHANCE in this fight...
How about because Anderson is going up a weight-class, and not just to fight some schmuck, but to fight one of the elites at 205. Forrest will be bigger and stronger, he won't be afraid of Anderson at all, he's tough and scrappy, and he and his camp are EXCELLENT game-planners.
I won't be shocked at all if Forrest wins a decision, or even stops Anderson by way of submission. Or Anderson may knock him the f@#$ out, I'm not ruling that out either. But I'm going to look at the odds, and if they're what I expect them to be, I think betting on Forrest could be very profitable.
Anderson isn't as invincible as people think, and he's due for a loss. The guy hasn't been tested AT ALL in a loooonnnngggg time, and I think that becomes more and more of a factor the longer it goes on. He doesn't even remember what it's like to get hit right now.
What kind of sh1t were/are you smoking these days?
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What kind of sh1t were/are you smoking these days?
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Anderson isn't as invincible as people think, and he's due for a loss. The guy hasn't been tested AT ALL in a loooonnnngggg time, and I think that becomes more and more of a factor the longer it goes on. He doesn't even remember what it's like to get hit right now.
Again, what kind of sh1t were/are you smoking these days? You have no idea what you're talking about. Silva gets hit by Lyoto all the time ya goofy scrub. You do realize they train and spar together all the time right? Lyoto owns Silva in stand-up.
Forrest stands no chance at all, he's sh1t in my opinion. His greatest win was over an untrained Rampage, he was out of shape as hell and didn't even train for the fight against Forrest as he said and Forrest still barely won by decision. Look at his record and you can clearly see that Forrest is far from impressive with wins only over mediocre fighters, he stands no chance. Also, you have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to Silva having to go up in weight, he actually CUTS DOWN to 185. He walks around at more than 205 haha...shows how much you don't know. But yea, he's going up in weight class in the sense that 185 is what he normally fights at but he shouldn't be fighting in that class really. 205 is closer to his natural weight.
Disagree with me all you want, no need to be an a@#hole about it though.
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You have no idea what you're talking about. Silva gets hit by Lyoto all the time ya goofy scrub. You do realize they train and spar together all the time right?
IMO there's a big difference between even the most intense sparring sessions, and being in a real fight where an opponent is trying to destroy you. AGAIN, Silva has not been tested in that way in some time.
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Also, you have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to Silva having to go up in weight, he actually CUTS DOWN to 185. He walks around at more than 205 haha...shows how much you don't know.
Shows how much I don't know!? Virtually all professional fighters these days cut significant weight to be as big as possible in whatever division they fight in. Do you think Forrest walks around at exactly 205? Wait til they take the center of the octagon to touch gloves, and then tell me forrest doesn't have a size advantage. He does, and he will.
Your opinion is CLEARLY biased anyway when it comes to both Anderson AND Machida, you've been on their nuts for some time. Enjoy your ride on the bandwagon. I'm just thinking about how the fight could go down from an unbiased perspective, I'm not a fan or hater of either Forrest or Anderson really. I just don't think this fight is a complete LOCK for Anderson like most fans seem to.
Silvia has a clear advantage, but it is NOT a guarantee. There are NO guarantee's if UFC. And Forrest does have a clear size advantage. But not quickness, BJJ, muhi thia, experience or striking. I've already stated my predictions, but if Silva goes into the fight with the wrong game plan and wants to just bang with Forrest, then Forrest's chances greatly improve. Forrest is far from "Trash" and is a class act. I lose respect for people who hate on someone and call them "trash"(if you care to have my/our respect- I do care and hope to have the respect of most E-regulars whether we agree or not) because they don't like them for whatever reason (unless it is obvious to everyone that they are complete and total pr!cks that lack sportsmanship- ie. Serra- ) Forrest does NOT fit into that class of losers. The first S. Bonner vs. F. Griffin fight is one of the best fights ever in UFC and shows that he is game and far from trash. As far as The Griffin/ Rampage fight, who cares how Rampage trained, he was the champ and would truly beat ANY "trash" fighter on his worst day.
Lol, Bonnar is so bad. Rampage didn't train. His fight with Forrest was right after he ran over all those cars with his F350 haha, he was far from ready to be in the Octagon. It's not so much a matter of being biased because if you do the math or put it all on paper it only makes sense for Forrest to lose and I'm certain he will. Mark, I agree with you there are no guarantees but I don't think Forrest can win unless he meets lady luck. I'm not exactly sure why everyone thinks this so called size advantage is a big deal. James Irvin isn't a little guy in the 205 pound class either. Rich Franklin was a huge 185pounder FYI. Anyhow, a guy that is 6' 2'' tall probably shouldn't fight in 185 if you ask me. Anderson Silva can easily pack on 10-20 pounds of muscle mass and then cut to 205 ;) Bigger is better right? Oh no, it's not right? Unless it's with your GF ya scrubz!
Hmm, as Paul said, long time no see Naledge. What's been up? Paul, I didn't know you lurked these parts (UFC thread) but I guess you always pop your head in but just don't post.
Kimbo is going to be on TUF season 10 as you said and I think it's pretty lame because Dana White talked so much sh1t about the guy but Dana wants to make money so there you have it.
UFC boss Dana White ridicule the big man as a "joke."
As ProElite went bankrupt, Slice was set adrift, but the Ultimate Fighting Championship refused to come to his rescue. Instead, White told anyone who would listen that the only way Kimbo could ever be welcomed into the UFC was if he won his way through the Ultimate Fighter reality show, like any other journeyman.
This week, Slice accepted that challenge, and everything that was set in place for the tenth season of TUF was thrown into chaos.
"[Kimbo has] a contract if he wins the show," said Dana White in an interview after the announcement. "He's got a contract to fight in the UFC, and it's a good one. So, that's his carrot. .... He has the same TUF deal. If he makes it into the UFC his contract is different, a lot f----ing different." Slice, whose real name is Kevin Richardson, is a 34-year-old father of six who worked as a bodyguard for a p0rn production company before taking part in video-taped backyard beatdowns that became an online sensation on YouTube.
He earned money in the high six figures for his three pro MMA fights to date, but will have to bunk with, live with, train with and fight 15 other MMA hopefuls for $5,000 per fight - just like anyone else - if he wants a shot at the big contract White is dangling in front of him.
“It’s an opportunity for me to prove myself, being a mixed martial artist coming from the backyard, coming from being a street fighter and all,” Slice told Yahoo Sport. “It’s time for me to step my game up. I’m coming here to kick @ss and take names and to continue to feed myself and my family.”
“DW can say whatever the f--k he wants,” Slice said. “The greatest revenge, to my knowledge, is success. I don’t care about the s--t talking
any takers on a 50 spot . I say he makes the finals. Hopefully Bas Ruttan trained him well. a few years of quality traing will make him interesting... I was curious if he could hang.. Glad I get to find out.
I'm sure that some will say he is not at their level. As a striker he is all there. He damm sure got em in fugleyness. If he gets a contract.. I say throw a quality striker in there with him, maybe cro-cop. see what he's got. lol
Kimbo is going to be on TUF season 10 as you said and I think it's pretty lame because Dana White talked so much sh1t about the guy but Dana wants to make money so there you have it.
Seems to me like Dana stuck by his word 100%. He always said Kimbo would have to earn his way into the UFC by way of TUF. I'm not a Kimbo fan, but I think he's probably good enough to get a shot on TUF.
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I can see Kimbo getting tied in a leg bar
Or an ankle lock... or a rear naked... or an arm bar... or a triangle... yeah.
FYI, Dana White has always talked sh1t about Kimbo saying that he was trash and all that jazz. Dana White pretty much talks sh1t about everyone who isn't already in the UFC, also, when you leave the UFC he talks sh1t about you. He talked trash about Couture, Roger Huerta, Frank Shamrock for starters. He also says Fedor is garbage and not a top fighter even though Fedor has defeated what were once the two best Heavyweights the UFC had.
Good enough to get a shot on TUF? A lot of those guys are terrible haha, I think Kimbo has a good chance to WIN TUF personally. This season of TUF has been surprisingly good though.
Good enough to get a shot on TUF? A lot of those guys are terrible
My point exactly. I don't understand why you think Kimbo on TUF is lame if you think he's good enough.
I like Dana. I think he's a marketing genius, and while he has some cavalier methods, he is almost solely responsible for the massive rise in MMA's popularity over the past several years. I think as a person he pretty much calls it like he sees it, and doesn't hold back. I don't know specifically what he's said about Huerta and Couture etc., but I wouldn't put it past him at all to be saying things to challenge them into fighting for the UFC again. Hes got business on his mind 24/7.
Do you have any links to what he said about Huerta and/or Couture and/or Fedor? I'd be curious cause I haven't heard about this.
Huerta not in the UFC sucks, he's a beast.
Same with Fedor, who is a beast don't get me wrong, but will always be slightly overrated to me until he fights in the UFC... sorry I know you love Fedor, but the until you fight your way thru the organization with far and away the deepest talent pool, I reserve at least a little doubt.
Definitely better than the last card. I like this one. Wanderlei just didn't look the same. He had a hard time cutting weight and I think that is what ultimately did him in.
Kongo vs Velasquez though.....man. Cain made it look WAY too easy on the ground. Cheick had nothing for him on the ground. Cain showed a TON of heart and a damn good chin even though he got knocked a couple of good ones. I am excited to watch Cain in the HW division. He is gonna do some damage I think.
Nice quick KO from Mike "Swift" Swick though. This is one fight that I thought would go a little bit longer and have a little more action. Thats what I get for putting too much faith into such a raw noob. Ben will get better though.
Whhhhaaaaattttt uppppp Naledge! Good to see you back man.
I was disappointed by the card as a whole.
Wanderlei just continues to be exposed as an overrated fighter to me. He's 3 of 4 since coming back to the UFC to fight top-tier opponents. To me he is not a highly skilled fighter, he is a reckless brawler. Look at his list of wins, and long as it may be, he only has a few against premium fighters.
Kongo really pissed me off. He had a number of opportunities to separate from Velasquez, and wasn't taking advantage of that even though his best shot to win was clearly in a striking match. His corner was yelling at him to crouch more and widen his stance to avoid takedowns but he just stood straight up like he was in a kickboxing match not an MMA fight.
Saunders really pissed me off too. He is a giant in that division. Even compared to Swick who is big for 170. I would've loved to see him use those huge arms and legs to jab and even straight kick at Swick, but he just looked nervous or something.
oooo yea....and i personally think cro cop fight was BS!!!
seriously like wtf.....i m not against cro cop but taht eye poke was fuked up. Blind @ss ref... Mostapha was a lil over agressive but could have pulled it off imo...
Mustapha made a fatal error though. When he got hit with the finger in the eye, he just covered his face up and TURNED HIS BACK to Cro Cop. I think he assumed that the ref was gonna give him a timeout for the eye poke. It's just like a kick to the nuts though, you gotta keep fighting or at least protect yourself until you're sure the ref is stepping in to give you a break.
did not see all matches tonight but seemed to be a UK night. However i did see Sanchez fight...i honestly don't think he deserved that win. He had first round...no doubt - but for the fact that Clay took the beating and still fugged around with diego was very impressive to me to say the least. There were too many face shots and flying knees for him to be standing and making it to a decision.
Are you trying to say you thought Clay won the fight, or that it was just a sloppy win for Diego? Cause I was annoyed that it was a split decision, Diego clearly won that fight, shoulda been unanimous. Clay never really did much of anything other than control position at times, and when the other guy inflicts significant damage throughout the course of the fight, that FAR outweighs positional control to me.
What a sh1t win for Cro Cop, he knew he poked him in the eye. It almost seemed intentional, I think it was part of his game plan to secure a sh1tty win and he did.
Bobby Lashley vs. Bob Sapp Gilbert Yvel vs. Pedro Rizzo Din Thomas vs. Javier Vazquez Chris Horodecki vs. William Sriyapai Tom Atencio vs. Randy Hedderick Brett Cooper vs. Waachiim Spiritwolf Danny Abbadi vs. Lance Thompson Colby McMahan vs. James Orso Eric Bradley vs. Colin McKee Drew Wallace vs. Eric Graham Greg Maher vs. Wes Shivers Mark Kergosien vs. Shawn Hayes Shilo Pisarich vs. Jonathon Mackles Weldon Galle vs. Trent Billiot Jacob Leckich vs. Jim McLemore
FFI Ultimate Chaos
Bobby Lashley Vs. Bob Sapp should be crazy, two massive guys beating the crap out of each other is always fun. Also, Tom Atencio is the guy who runs things for Affliction if I'm not mistaken.
I think GSP will own Alves. Not that it'll be an upset or anything, but I don't think this will be the matchup people expect. I say it's REALLY one-sided.
Jon Jones scores the KO of the night.
In the main event, my heart says Mir, but my head says Lesnar. Just too much roided up freakishness for Mir to overcome. Hope I'm wrong though. I find it hilarious that Lesnar is upset that he isn't the undisputed champ... what a joke... he got a title shot with a 2-1 record with 1 quality win... if he wasn't so hyped he would still be trying to work is way up the rankings for a shot like everyone else has to.
Lesnar got a title shot before most could do. , but this guy is not you run of the mill rookie. He might be a lil green, but there is NOTHING normal about this mongaloid.Mir better hope to catch Lesnar making another rookie mistake, otherwise he's toast. !st round TKO-- Maybe 2nd, but I doubt it. I don't see why everyone wants Lesnar to fail... He is dedicated and gifted. I wnat to see him get a good as he can and keep learning... Then throw him in with Fedor. If CroCop gets back to his old self, I see the possibility for Lesnar to be beat. It is gonna take a superb striker like CroCop to put him to sleep.
i can't gurantee this but i heard from someone that crocop is not longer with Dana..something about him getting a contract with someone else...i am not sure nor do i have anything to really back this up...jus something i hrd from a friend..any1 got info on this if its tru or not?
i agree wit u Mark..i dunno why a lot of ppl are bashing Lesnar....he is talented and works hard. I would really like for him to go very far - especially for that fact that he is still very young/new and has title
Bashing Lesnar!?!? Guess it depends who you hear from cause all I see is people jumping on the bandwagon. I don't know anyone who thinks Mir is gonna win this fight.
I'm definitely not bashing Lesnar... He's a beast. Heath Herring and The Natural are both quality opponents, and he beat 'em. All I'm saying is he for sure didn't earn a title shot the way most have to. His preexisting fame and notoriety played a huge role. There are guys who start out with a dozen or more professional wins, with no losses, and don't get title shots. He got it because the UFC needed some hype, especially in the heavyweight division where it's largely believed that the best fighter (fedor) is not in the UFC. I'm not saying he isn't worthy. If he had to go about it like everyone else he would've mopped the floors with most/all of the UFC's heavyweight division anyway. I just laugh when he acts like a victim like he gets no credit or something cause Mir has the interim title.
HOLY SH1T IM SO EXCITED I COULD NOT SLEEP BECAUSE OF UFC 100!!!! I AM SO EXCITED 'N SH IT LOOK AT THIS TEXT WOW BY THE WAY YOU LOSERZ, THERE BE FREE SLURPEES 2DAY AT SEVEN-LEVEN! GET THA HOOGUP
^^^ why do you hate him? i don't get it...wtf does everyone hate him for? cause he is new and beating the sh!t outta everyone? or is it coz of his ego? if its his ego....the fans made him like that.
I'm very glad he won the way he did and didn't give a fak about the audience...seriously wtf wit ppl not liking him?plz explain.
Anyway it was a great night. I din't see fitch fight but will catch up on it tomorrow. Dan rocked Bisping and GSP owned Alvez. should have paid for it tho rather than watchin live stream
What do you mean by that? More like years of PEDs made him like that.
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seriously wtf wit ppl not liking him?plz explain.
Virtually all fighters have some cockiness in them, fine. Virtually all fighters talk a little trash leading up to the fight to help promote it, fine. Lesnar emits a true arrogance in my opinion. And it was blatant as ever after the Mir fight.
Even when two guys hate each other going into a fight, they usually have enough respect for the sport to shake their opponents hand or bow afterwards. Lesnar chose to get in Mir's face and scream at him and show him up unnecessarily when his corner was picking him up, bloodied and battered. THAT was when the crowd started to boo him, deservedly so. And in his supreme arrogance, the thought that maybe he crossed the line, didn't cross his mind. Instead he stuck his middle fingers to the crowd and gave an obnoxiously boastful post-fight speech.
Better question, why WOULD people like him? He's an incredibly one-dimensional fighter at this point, and common sense tells you that if it weren't for his massive steroid-created body, he wouldn't even be able to compete in the sport.
Granted In the WWE Steroids were abused, but He was a mongoloid waterhead even when he was in college. Genetics is to blame. Any effects of the roids would have wore off years ago, and his body will pay the price in one way or another. He is a pure athlete and is dedicated to MMA and I welcome him to a week (but getting better) HW class. He will only get better. FU<K MIR... That pr!ck is so cocky and smug it is rediculus. He got lucky and caught an inexperienced fighter while he was getting pummeled. That I don't have a problem with. It was the comments that he made about saying that Brock could not be a good fighter and doesn't belong in the cage. WAKE THE FU<K UP MIR!! All you seen in the fight was a big tattoo swollowing up what looked like a midget. I did notice that Brock was dropping his hands during the standup and I can see that will be the reason he eventually loses. It will take a Great striker to beat him.. Or a lucky Sub. If he is fighting a great BJJ fighter, it will be hard to beat Brock if he utitizies the same gameplan as he did with mir. As for Brocks attitude. I know that they all have to be confident and a lil cocky. If this fight was with anyone else other than Mir, I would have been offended. Mir played the "I BEAT BROCK" card too hard and said some offending things that he knew was not accurate. And Brock took it to heart.Mir payed the price. There was absolutely NO WAY Brock would have lost that fight. He was too ready... Thanks to MIR's mouth. Look at Brocks sportsmanship when he beat Couture. He was gracefull and showed great sportsmanship.. I expect that will be the case in the future. Give him a couple more years and he'll be ready for Fedor. Any sooner the he will have a problem, and later then Fedor will be washed up or past his prime. I don't mind the Brock haters. They paid me $200 bucks last night..lol
He was a mongoloid waterhead even when he was in college. Genetics is to blame. Any effects of the roids would have wore off years ago
I'm glad you said that. There is a difference between a genetic freak, and a PED freak. Brock is obviously the latter. If you met Frank Mir in person, you'd be like "holy sh!t this dude is a stud", 6'3", 245lbs of highly conditioned/skilled athlete. And yet, standing next to Brock, he looks like he hasn't hit puberty yet.
Brock was a stud college wrestler, no argument there. But then he went to pro wrestling, where it's common knowledge that the overwhelming majority of the athletes are on PEDs. And Mark, it sounds like you're assuming that he isn't taking PEDs anymore. My money would bet that he absolutely is. The testing policies aren't nearly as evolved in MMA as they are in pro baseball for example, and guys still manage to take them there. They're always a couple steps ahead of the testing, there's always new ways to mask the drugs, or new drugs that get past the tests.
Don't tell me he's a genetic freak. Most pro athletes have exceptional genetics, but you can usually tell the difference between guys who work hard and have great genetics, versus the guys who clearly have unnatural, freakish proportions.
How you think Frank Mir is more cocky and smug than Lesnar is beyond me. He hyped the fight, he put on for the fans. HOWEVER, when fight time came, and it was time for reality to set in, what did he do? He stuck out his gloves like a class act to show good sportsmanship. Brock turned his back without touching gloves... and then put on a disgraceful display of unprofessionalism after the fight.
I just think the guy is an idiot, and a sideshow, and I don't understand why anyone would like him. He's not a very skilled or versatile MMA fighter. I don't think he'll stand the test of time. He'll get caught. Kongo or Cro Cop or some other schmuck will knock him the f@#$ out.
For Starters Mir has NEVER showed an ounce of class or sportsmanship. Just because he stuck his gloves out doesn't change that. And Lesnar (with the exception of his confidence-which they all have) has never been unsportsmanlike like until this fight(interviews or fights) You gotta put yourself in his shoes, he is training everyday with his trainers always keeping the focus on his lose to mir. and them telling him what mir says over and over ond over while he's doing whatever exercise. He was fired up and he was giving MIR what he got from MIR..... NO RESPECT!! While he was jacked up he flipped off the people who were hatin'. Trust me, He signed autographs for his fans, He went to his after party to celebrate with the people who like him.. If I just won an easy fight and made it look easy(which I assure you was part of the boo's) and I was hearing boo's, there is no telling what I would do if I was that pumped. I go with a guys track record rather than a single instance when judging class in an athlete. I foresee him going back to his usual shaking hands/touching gloves/hugs after a fight,ect.. so long as he is being respected by his opponent.. Since day one people has written him off as a fighter due to lack of experience and his past as a Pro Wrestler. He hears it constantly. After putting everything he has into trying to excel in a new sport to be able to compete and some die hard MMA fans don't want to take him seriously and say he is a fad and won't last, well although there is no guarantee that he will last due to possible injuries, i am positive that he is in it for the long haul... He may seem one dimensional, but his stand up is comparable to couture's as he got the better of couture during their stand up's. He definitely is a GNP guy. . I mean he controlled Mir's body with one watermelon sized hand. Easily . There are many successful gnp oriented fighters. That don't make em and worse or less successful. I do agree that Crocop has the best chance to beat him and I don't want to see that fight.... First I want to see Crocop back to his usual self like he claims to be.. I would be torn on that fight. Lesnar don't make the GNP look as good as say,ohhhhh tito, lawaso, hughs, ect because he is so huge and it looks like there is nothing on his shots, but that doesn't mean it isn't effective.. He needs to work a lot more on his stand up if he wants to be champ for any length of time. . And the dude moves like a middleweight..
As for the roids. well having a 265# weight limit and most anabolic roids wouldn't work well for him... He admitted that they were a problem in WWE. He quit them before he left WWE and has not used since, and every test has proved it. I see no reason for him to lie. Naturally or roided up there is no one in the UFC that can match his strength. as of now.. I've done 3 cycles in the past for my sport(armwrestling), but I assure you, they are not helping me right now.
Haha Mark, not all steroids are to put on pure mass. Anyhow, you'd have to eat in order to gain quality mass. I'm saddened that you've done cycles by the way, oh well.
lol... I am aware that not all steriods are for mass, I took Winstrol V which was a cutter. There is no way I can glorify using them, but I was competeing in about 10-12 Armwrestling tourneys / year including Nats and Worlds. There was no testing and there was no way to keep up with the users w/o doing it yourself. At that time I ate, sleep, sh!t armwrestling and would probably do it again if I were in the same situation.
embarassing night for Griffin. Great win for Anderson. Amir fight was completely fugged up. I think thats the same ref dat messed up with mostapha last time too. .
I don't like bj peen - but was an ok win for him - considering he reallly toned up for this match.
too bad Couture didn't take it... he looked to be in awesome shape. he's still ripped lol. can't say i've seen anybody at 46 look that good. truly an inspirational athlete.
Lol, I see Pit hasn't been back to his thread. His prediction about Forrest was hilarious, where is Forrest Griffin crying at now Pit?
On Machida Vs Shogun: Shogun should be called Sh1tgun because he's terrible these days, Machida will make quick work out of him.
UFC103 looks like it's going to suck a fat one. I don't care for Rich Franklin at all and Vitor is just mediocre. Bringing back Frank Trigg? Give me a f'in break.
Lol, I see Pit hasn't been back to his thread. His prediction about Forrest was hilarious, where is Forrest Griffin crying at now Pit?
I've posted like a million times in this thread since we had that conversation... are you trying to imply that I've been avoiding talking about it or something? lol.
I have a nack for picking upsets, which has made me a lot of money (by my standards) over the past couple years. I was wrong on this one. Who cares? And really I wasn't even wrong about anything, because I just felt he had a better chance than most thought, and that there might be good enough odds to bet on him (which i ended up deciding against).
I give you credit though, it took balls to pick Anderson to win that fight... in which he was heavily favored... good call. Way to really go out on a limb lmao. Whatever. Half of what I've read in your posts seems to be just raving over how great fedor is, or silva, or machida etc. Maybe you're just a complete front-runner, I dunno.
It's not a matter of you posting in this thread but after your prediction proved to be nothing short of terrible I figured you might make a post and eat your words in regards to A. Silva Vs Griffin. I've been on Machida's d1ck probably long before you had a clue as to who he was. Silva is a guy I always thought was the underdog until the last couple of years, he's always been too scrawny and weak looking for me to suspect he'd become what he has. Fedor...eh, I'm hoping Brett Rogers K.O.s his azz at this point to be honest.
Again, seriously, f|_|ck this bullshh1t language filter.
UFC 103 is weak at the top but there are some sleeper fights. I'm looking forward to seeing Swick/Kampmann, Griffin/Franca, and even Emerson/Dos Anjos.
Haha, it's pretty funny how they're selling this "fight". However, the rest of the card looks like it's going to be pretty good. I do want to watch Lyoto destroy someone though, that's always entertaining.
Yeah there are some good fights this weekend. I'm more excited about the next couple of events though. I've always liked Vera, can't wait to see him against Randy. And as much as I hate Brock Lesnar, I'm glad he's around. Lesnar/Carwin should be insane. The heavyweight division is finally legit again. No more lameazz Tim Sylvia fights.
I'd just like to congratulate the new UFC Light Heavyweight Champion of the world, Mauricio Shogun Rua.
What took place during last night's main event was a disgrace, and made a complete mockery of the way MMA fights are scored in the UFC. I wasn't a Shogun fan going into this fight. I thought he would get trounced. I have no bias. Mauricio Rua ABSOLUTELY won that fight. It was NO WHERE EVEN CLOSE to being a "didn't do enough to beat the champion" situation.
Rua won the fight easily, 49-46, if not 50-45. No disrespect to Machida, he doesn't get a say in how the judges score it, but what a joke.
Rua DESTROYED the legs and body of Machida, period. Rua moved forward and was the agressor the ENTIRE fight. He landed more blows, harder blows, more damaging blows. From the 3rd round on, Machida was wincing in pain at times from the kicks and knees to his legs. His balance, and agility in his legs, were CLEARLY damaged badly by Rua's kicks.
I'm angry because Rua pulled an epic upset. People gave him no chance to win this fight, and he DOMINATED Llyoto Machida.
The only rounds you could even argue for Machida were 1 and 3 in my opinion. Round 1 Machida landed a couple of very nice knees/kicks to the body, but Rua still landed more and did more damage, so it was close, but pretty clearly Rua IMO. Round 3 was the closest, really could score it either way. Machida himself knew damn well he had lost the first two rounds, so he upped the aggression and had a nice flurry, but even in that flurry, Rua landed the best single shot (a vicious right hand)h forcing Machida to wrap him up immediately becuase it dazed him.
After the 3rd round, Machida displayed virtually zero effective offense, his legs were absolutely annihilated.
Thousands of fans in attendance, some very savvy fans of the sport, some not, UNANIMOUSLY booed Shogun when he was being introduced. That same group of thousands in attendance, UNANIMOUSLY chanted "Sho-gun, Sho-gun" in the closing minutes of the fifth and final round, because they had just witnessed him dominate the champ.
When Bruce Buffer announced Machida as the winner, Llyoto looked as though he had just won the lottery. When asked if he would accept a rematch, Llyoto's translator quoted him as saying "I will try again".
Although I really don't see the complete domination of Machida the way those judges scored it was pretty bad. I was trying to watch the fight again online to see if I saw it the way they did but the sites I was attempting to use were overloaded horribly. This is why you can't leave it to the judges, apparently they're not even watching the fight and biased beyond belief.
Pit was correct about the damage that Machida to the legs and body definately killed his in the last 2 rounds... ButI agree with Ray... It was closer than you are giving him credit for. One point about Rua beding the aggressor in the earlier rounds isflawed IMO.. It is true, but that is Machidas gameplan.. counter striking and being elusive... Can't be those two things and the aggressor at the same time.. Not saying that Machida won.. Just saying it could have gone either way.. I want to see a rematch... Rua deserves that for sure..
I was ranting for sure. Don't get me wrong though, it was a close fight. "Close but clear" is how I would describe it. It just pisses me off because like "Ray" (LOL) said, the judges are very biased.
It's probably not even their fault. I think UFC executives make them that way and get in their heads. The last thing Dana White wants to see is an outrageously popular champion like Machida to lose a decision that could've been a coin flip. The problem is they take the mentality that "you have to REALLY BEAT the champion", one step too far. This fight was not "coin flip" close. Again, close but clear IMO.
I honestly just felt so bad for Shogun. I will be the first to admit, I pretty much thought he was a chump going into this fight. I thought after 2 reconstructive knee surgeries he was a shell of his former self. He just earned so much respect from me in this fight, I was pissed to see him get jobbed. I was sort of hoping he would take the mic and turn to the judges or Dana and tell them they should be ashamed of themselves or something, but the guy handled it with pure class.
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that is Machidas gameplan.. counter striking and being elusive... Can't be those two things and the aggressor at the same time.
And that is exactly the downside of that style of fighting. I get angry when people say that he has the "perfect style", because it's not true. It can be incredibly effective as we've seen in Machida's other bouts, but it has weaknesses too. In Saturday's fight we saw those weaknesses exposed. Shogun did not over-pursue Machida, he focused on attacking the body and legs which cannot dodge blows as quickly as the head, and he was able to avoid the vast majority of Machida's counters.
Machida is still an elite fighter, but he has weaknesses. I think Machida was INCREDIBLY frustrated, and IMO on Saturday night, we saw that he does somewhat lack the ability to create offense when the opponent doesn't play into his style.
Shogun WAS the aggressor the entire way. I understand Machida's gameplan very clearly, but if you're going to employ that gameplan, your counter-striking had better be effective, because you don't get aggression points for just avoidance.
That's my main beef with the scoring system, damage should come above all else. In fights where the damage is fairly even, that's when you have to look at: who was the aggressor, who controlled position, who had more successful submission attempts etc.
Sorry for the marathon posts lol. Very opinionated on this one in case you couldn't tell.
Outside of the main event my main thoughts were this:
1. Anthony Johnson is the most explosive striker in MMA. Maybe not the best overall if you look at accuracy and technicality and whatnot, but in terms of pure explosive KO ability, he is a FREAK.
2. Cain Velasquez is going to bulldoze thru most of the heavyweight division, and yet, why do I feel like he should drop to 205 because he would have no chance against Brock Lesnar?
I just got done watching Machida Vs. Shogun for a 2nd time and there's no way in hell that Machida even won TWO rounds. I can barely give him 1 round and that's VERY iffy. The round I can ALMOST give to Machida would be the third and even that would be overly generous. As I had thought initially, Shogun was robbed.
We watched it a second time Sunday afternoon to see if we were crazy. But yeah, felt even more strongly after reviewing it.
The arguments I've read on the net in Machida's defense, were ppl saying he landed more blows to the head which should count for more damage. The third round is the only round where I can understand that point of view. And even then Shogun actually landed the best shot of the round at the end of Machida's flurry.
Oh well, I hope there is a rematch asap cause it'll be a sick fight to look forward to. I expect Machida to change things up a bit, he was disappointed in himself. He'll probably look to attack more.
You can tell Dana White must be thrilled that this Strikeforce event is airing on national TV. The UFC coincidentally is airing never-before-seen-on-free-tv main event fights, in the same time slot as the strikeforce event, lol.
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i thought wanderlai had the win....was great fight tho. Franklin came better than i expected. 