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| Posted on Saturday, September 18, 2004 - 12:06 am: |
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I just purchased a Toshiba 52hm84 and I love it. The picture is great and I have no complaints. I currenty use comcast and everything works great. The pictures are wonderful. I wanted to know would it be worth me getting the new 52hm94 wich has a built in HD turner? would it make my pictures that much better? I am new to this and wanted some feed back. Also I understand that ESPN broadcast in 720P however when watching the chanel it broadcast in 4:3 versus the 16:9. Do I have to change some settings or something? |
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Silver Member Username: John_s
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| Posted on Saturday, September 18, 2004 - 08:19 am: |
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LG:
The only use for an on board HD tuner is to receive local over the air HD signals that may be available in your area (with an adequate antenna). It would have no effect on picture quality you see from your cable box.
Not all video on ESPNHD is shot in HD. So a lot of their stuff such as game highlights or even complete games is still in 4:3 "pillar boxed" standard definition. This will change in time as HD production equipment becomes cheaper and more plentiful. |
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| Posted on Saturday, September 18, 2004 - 10:54 am: |
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Thanks for the heads up. I was about to return my 52hm84 and get the 94 with the built in tuner but I think I will stick with what I got. I don't think it is worth the extra money. I was dissapointed that the Red Sox Yankees game was broadcast in 4:3. |
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| Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 04:14 pm: |
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"wide screen" versus "WEGA" ... Can someone explain? Also I would be curious as to opinions on each, ... as well as comparison. |
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| Posted on Friday, September 24, 2004 - 03:28 pm: |
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"WEGA" is the name of a certain line of Sony displays. Widescreen denotes a ration of 16:9 vs the 4:3 ration of standard displays.
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New member Username: Gbutler12
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| Posted on Friday, September 24, 2004 - 10:31 pm: |
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SDI vs SXGA
SXGA, although a analog signal (1280x1040) should be a better picture than SDI that is a digital signal that low resolution (720x480).
Would this be your opinion and why?
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New member Username: Bampie
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| Posted on Thursday, September 30, 2004 - 04:10 pm: |
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I just ordered a Mitsubishi WD62725. It has a built in tuner. I am currently on Directtv with the triple LNB including TIVO. What else will I need to get HD? |
WD62725 owner Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Wednesday, October 13, 2004 - 05:25 pm: |
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Bampie posted: "What else will I need to get HD?"
You will need 2 things:
1) A decent quality cable from your DirecTV box to the WD62725. You didn't mention the box model number, but a "Component Video Cable" (actually 3 cables bundled together) should work.
2) An antenna to pull in Over The Air (OTA) channels. Connect this to either of the Antenna connections on the back of you Mitsubishi.
In DirecTV, if you get Showtime or HBO, there should be a HD version of that. FromDirecTV for another $10.99 a month, you can add 5 other channels - ESPN-HD, Discovery HD, HD Net, etc. These are HD, although some of hte "ESPN-HD" is really 4:3 aspect ratio 480i stuff.
You local OTA HD channels will vary by area and how good your antenna setup is. Most of hte HD programming is in the evening Primetime slot. |
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| Posted on Thursday, December 02, 2004 - 07:56 am: |
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I just purchased a 60in. sony LCD. I'm trying to get my local channels in HD. Which OTA antenna is best. I live about 25 miles north of Birmingham, AL. |
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| Posted on Thursday, December 02, 2004 - 12:27 pm: |
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I just purchased a 60in. sony LCD. I'm trying to get my local channels in HD. Which OTA antenna is best. I live about 25 miles north of Birmingham, AL.
Are you looking for an indoor or outdoor antenna? Are the stations you wish to receive in the UHF or VHF band?
Better yet go here http://www.antennaweb.org/aw/welcome.aspx and click on "Choose an Antenna" and you will be walked through all the steps you need to make your best selection.
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| Posted on Saturday, December 04, 2004 - 02:08 am: |
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What's up everybody! I have a couple of questions about the 27" sony wega[KV27HS42O] 4:3 HDTV.I saw it in action at circuit city and was VERY impressed with it's picture quality. I planned on getting it until a friend told me that i would be better off getting a 16:9 HDTV because of its widescreen ratio which is best for HDTV. My question is since i play alot of xbox playstaion2 and gamecube games wouldnt it be better for me to get the 4:3 HDTV sony? I mean dvd movies would still look good on 4:3 HDTV right? And the sony had the best picture(in my opinon)at the store.If anyone could explain or let me know if a 4:3 HDTV is a over all better TV for games than a 16:9 HDTV is i'd really apreciate it. THANKS! |
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| Posted on Saturday, December 04, 2004 - 02:10 am: |
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What's up everybody! I have a couple of questions about the 27" sony wega[KV27HS42O] 4:3 HDTV.I saw it in action at circuit city and was VERY impressed with it's picture quality. I planned on getting it until a friend told me that i would be better off getting a 16:9 HDTV because of its widescreen ratio which is best for HDTV. My question is since i play alot of xbox playstaion2 and gamecube games wouldnt it be better for me to get the 4:3 HDTV sony? I mean dvd movies would still look good on 4:3 HDTV right? And the sony had the best picture(in my opinon)at the store.If anyone could explain or let me know if a 4:3 HDTV is a over all better TV for games than a 16:9 HDTV is i'd really apreciate it. THANKS! |
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| Posted on Monday, December 13, 2004 - 12:41 pm: |
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I have a 57"Hitachi hdtv ready,and a dish some stations come in good and clean and some come in just ok.when i play a move from a dvd player it is grate,would it be good to get a hd tuner or what would ba a good salutation to get a good pictur on all chanels. |
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| Posted on Saturday, January 08, 2005 - 12:33 pm: |
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"My question is since i play alot of xbox playstaion2 and gamecube games wouldnt it be better for me to get the 4:3 HDTV sony?"
Most ps2/xbox games and all new ones coming out support 16:9 although you do have to change it to 16:9 mode in the options/setting the first time you play.
My opinion is the 16:9 is the way to go otherwise you'll find yourself wanting to go buy one within the next year or so. Time Warner cable claims 80% of there programming will be hdtv by 2007, and there is no doubt that hdtv/dvd's look best in 16:9.
The only downside I see is that not all hdtv programming is not broadcast in 16:9 yet, but like JOHN S explained earlier, it will come in time. |
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| Posted on Saturday, January 08, 2005 - 12:55 pm: |
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Time Warner cable claims 80% of there programming will be hdtv by 2007, and there is no doubt that hdtv/dvd's look best in 16:9.
That would be digital transmission, not HD programming.
The only downside I see is that not all hdtv programming is not broadcast in 16:9 yet, but like JOHN S explained earlier, it will come in time.
Incorrect, all HD is broadcast in a 16:9 ratio. Currently all programs broadcast on an HD channel are not necessarily being broadcast in Hi-Def, that is when you see 4:3 ratio programs. A good example of this is on the ESPN-HD channel when you see the sidebars, this is SD programming. The waters are further muddied when you take FOX into account which will sometimes choose to broadcast in widescreen 480p. Many people confuse this for HD programming because it is shown in a 16:9 ratio, the Simpsons is a good example of this type of broadcast by FOX.
In summary if the program is 4:3 it is not Hi-Def, if it is shown in 16:9 it is usually Hi-Def but not always. Clear as mud now?
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HOTDOGVNDR Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Thursday, January 20, 2005 - 07:08 pm: |
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Ok. So, If I want to receive HD content and Digital content, at the same time, when it's being broadcat that way, without the use of an external receiver, what do I look for in a Televisions description. Or better yet, what models are currently out there that can do both? Thanks |
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| Posted on Thursday, January 20, 2005 - 07:38 pm: |
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What is the difference between HDTV Monitor and HDTV ready? |
xvxvxvx Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Saturday, January 22, 2005 - 09:03 pm: |
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What is the difference between HDTV Monitor and HDTV ready?
Nothing, it is simply marketing preference.
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New member Username: Np8502
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| Posted on Sunday, January 23, 2005 - 06:48 pm: |
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I am considering buying a TV that is HD ready. The only thing is; I don't watch a lot of digital channels and so I think when my special runs out I may give back the cable box to save some money. Am I unable to watch HDTV if I don't have the cable box? I have heard that I can use an antanna if I have an HD built-in TV. Does this make it more complicated.
I just hate giving the cble company money. |
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| Posted on Monday, January 24, 2005 - 02:16 am: |
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built-in HD tuners are getting cheaper by the day, for example Walmart is selling a Sanyo 30" widescreen hi def with built-in HD tuner for around $650.
All you add is an antenna for Hi def, no cable is necessary
Of course you have to be in an area within broadcasting range of digital signal sources -usually within about 50 miles |
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| Posted on Monday, January 31, 2005 - 08:02 pm: |
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Ok. So, If I want to receive HD content and Digital content, at the same time, when it's being broadcat that way, without the use of an external receiver, what do I look for in a Televisions description. Or better yet, what models are currently out there that can do both? Thanks |
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| Posted on Monday, January 31, 2005 - 08:03 pm: |
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Ok. So, If I want to receive HD T.V. and Digital content, at the same time, when it's being broadcat that way, without the use of an external receiver, what do I look for in a Televisions description. Or better yet, what models are currently out there that can do both? Thanks. |
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| Posted on Tuesday, February 01, 2005 - 12:31 am: |
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look for the term "integrated tuner". Sets with built-in digital tuners are showing up everywhere now, too common to mention all
normally what happens if you have lets say a group of 12 channels in the hi def section of the 150 cable channel lineup - when they are not broadcasting in true widescreen HD (720p or 1080i) they will default to standard digital (e.g.ABC News) which looks pretty good at 480p too, better than regular TV
so in when you are watching just these 12 channels all the time, you will be varying between digital and hi def - good quality nearly all the time
on the other hand, digital signals from analog channels really are not digital quality |
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| Posted on Thursday, February 03, 2005 - 06:18 pm: |
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I was just wondering what the diff is between HD ready vs HD built-in? |
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| Posted on Thursday, February 03, 2005 - 07:54 pm: |
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"HD READY" means you need to add an HD tuner and you receive actual (720p or 1080i) hi def TV. Most common way is to subscribe to hi def cable. Next w/b to get hi def Satellite hookup. Third w/b to buy an OVER THE AIR hi def tuner box and add an antenna - e.g Samsung OTA digital box
HD - built means integrated built-in hi def tuner and you simply add an antenna to get hi def over the air
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| Posted on Sunday, February 13, 2005 - 09:47 am: |
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I have a 52 " Hitachi Ultrascan HD (HD ready) tv, an Onkyo TX-DS575X AV/Receiver, a Pioneer Elite Progressive Scan DVD and several other legacy pieces (i.e. Laserdisk, etc). We just moved and now have a Motorola HD Cable receiver to play with. The cable tech would only hook directly to my tv's component video input. I would like to hook this to my surround sound system. What is the best way to ensure HD quality pictures for the cable box and DVD since my Onkyo doesn't have component video inputs and still get surround sound through my system? |
Silver Member Username: John_s
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| Posted on Sunday, February 13, 2005 - 11:50 am: |
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tsmallmon:
Leave the component video line the cable guy hooked up alone. Just install an RCA phono jack-ended coax line from the digital audio output on the cable box into one of the two digital coax audio inputs on your Onkyo receiver.
Hopefully, your Hitachi has two sets of component inputs, as you'll want to run the Elite DVD player's component output into the second component input on the TV. |
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| Posted on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 01:07 am: |
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Hi,
I am new to this HDTV stuff and I have a couple of ?'s. Do you know what the best brand HDTV to get? and If I got a HDTV built in turner and used it over the air for the local channels, would it cost me anything to get HDTV over the air? |
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| Posted on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 12:18 pm: |
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" Do you know what the best brand HDTV to get?"
Very subjective question, there is no "one size fits all" answer. It depends on your budget, viewing distance, lighting conditions and other minor but important factors.
"and If I got a HDTV built in turner and used it over the air for the local channels, would it cost me anything to get HDTV over the air?"
OTA HD channels are free but you will need an antenna in conjuction with your built in tuner.
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| Posted on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 04:30 pm: |
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I was wondering if a small HD-ready tv will be able to play my xbox games in high definition and in 16:9 right out of the box. Or do i need an HD Tuner? |
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| Posted on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 09:59 pm: |
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No HD tuner = no HD.
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| Posted on Friday, June 17, 2005 - 09:05 am: |
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"No HD tuner = no HD."
You should explain that more because if you are responding to Bubbachuck you are incorrect.
If you have an HD Ready TV then all you need is the Xbox HDAV Pack.
Bubbachuck please see:
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hardware/highdefinitionavpack.htm
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/expertguide/hdtv.htm
http://boards.ign.com/message.asp?topic=89770686&replies=6&ui=cb_post_03 |
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| Posted on Friday, June 17, 2005 - 04:36 pm: |
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i just bought a 57" hdtv ready tv.I'm new at this and was wanting to know if you by a hd top box would you get a better picture.I have dish network but I don't have the hd package with them.Can you get hd with out going through them? |
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| Posted on Saturday, July 23, 2005 - 12:31 pm: |
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DISH vs CABLE when it comes to watching the most for your HDTV buch, which one give you more opions or HD wide screen movies? |
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| Posted on Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 03:29 pm: |
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Plase I need an Answer, I went to Best buy to purchase a HD tv and the sales person told me that the tv had a built in tunner and that if I want to have Direct tv hd the only thing I need it's a card????? not a hd box?? it's this tru? |
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| Posted on Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 03:30 pm: |
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Plase I need an Answer, I went to Best buy to purchase a HD tv and the sales person told me that the tv had a built in tunner and that if I want to have Direct tv hd the only thing I need it's a card????? not a hd box?? it's this true? |
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| Posted on Wednesday, October 12, 2005 - 05:43 pm: |
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Untrue Hernan,
The built-in HD decoder works for local OTA stations only, it is an ATSC tuner, If you want satellite service from either Dish or Direct TV you will need to signup through them and will need a seperate receiver for the sat channles although you will not need a seperate OTA receiver for your locals.
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nubee-4-ever Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 12:36 pm: |
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what are the actuall numbers for hd tv?? 720p and 1080i i know but when i look at tvs on the net all i see are 1280x768 or 1366x768. is the 1280= 720p and 1366=1080i or what?? i'm confused. what do the 720p and 1080i actually stand for in lines of resolution?? and does the sony 60"wega lcd actully use any of these numbers or are they just coming close? |
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| Posted on Tuesday, November 08, 2005 - 05:51 pm: |
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I initially wrote a four paragraph detailed explanation. Insted of posting that I'll offer you a simple link that explains it all clearly and even includes 480i, 480p and ED as well as HD scan rates.
http://www.axiomaudio.com/archives/pixelcount.html
Enjoy,
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nubee-4-not much longer Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 01:43 pm: |
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WOW!!! THAT WAS GREAT!!!
so if i want hd i need to make sure i have at least 720 or 1080 lines. and that sony does not have 1080 lines it only has the 768, so that means it does have hd but not the clearest of the hd.
at least thats the way i understand it now.
if a program is sent out in 1080i it will fit it to the native res of 720i.
correct??
thanks!! |
nubee-4-ever still?? Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 02:22 pm: |
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but now after reviewing sonys 60" hd tv im still lost. these specs tell me its not 1080i capable but will be converted to a lower res. right??
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| Posted on Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 06:47 pm: |
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The virtues of 1080i vs 720p have been discussed for years and will likely never come to a definitive agreement due to the progressive vs interlaced nature of the two types of programming.
What is best is what looks good to your eyes under your specific viewing conditions.
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| Posted on Wednesday, November 16, 2005 - 08:29 pm: |
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If anyone could help me out i'd much appreciate it, i'm about to blow E2000 on a Sony hd ready 50" grand wega tv with 3LCD technology and a pc input i cant seem to find the model no but i'm specifically getting it for my xbox 360, but hd tvs are practically unheard of here (we don't have hd tv stations yet i'm in ireland by the way) i don't have a clue about res levels or anything but need to find out a bit about them, additionally i was told its quite easy to burn an image onto the screen, not on purpose like say you forgot to turn your tv off for 5 hours and you had a game paused you come back and theres like a ghost of your pause screen left there. Does anyone know anything about 3LCD? I'll try some more to find out the model number if that helps. |
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| Posted on Sunday, November 20, 2005 - 09:08 pm: |
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FX, I read your article and it is very informative but I guess I'm still abit confused (which is typical). My Sharp Aquos specs say its "Pixel Resolution Wide XGA (1366 x 768)". So does this means its 720p and "upscales" to 1080i?
Sorry for being so dumb but I am trying to learn.
Thanks,
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| Posted on Sunday, November 20, 2005 - 09:30 pm: |
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Newton,
Your Sharp displays everything in 720p only. Keep in mind 768 is commonly called 720p because it is too difficult to differentiate between all the different displays.
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New member Username: Justfig
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| Posted on Sunday, November 20, 2005 - 10:36 pm: |
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Thanks FX. I guess thats ok because to be honest I can't tell any difference between the 720p and the 1080i settings on my set. I'm happy with this set. Can't wait til they come out with a 1600x1200 TV and something to show on it 
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| Posted on Tuesday, November 22, 2005 - 02:53 am: |
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Hey everybody, I was researching TV's and found this message board. From what I have read on this board, as written by JOHN S, the only advantage of built-in HD over HD-ready is the ability to receive local channels in HD. I am mainly purchasing an HDTV(built-in or HD-ready) for the playstation 3 that is coming out soon. The playstation 3 will have HDTV capabilities when being played. Being that the playstation 3 has nothing to do with actual TV broadcasts, does that mean that built-in HDTV and HD-ready will not make a difference in this case? |
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| Posted on Tuesday, November 22, 2005 - 12:05 pm: |
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That is correct Bran L, no difference between the two for your specified usage.
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| Posted on Tuesday, November 22, 2005 - 02:36 pm: |
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Dumb question but im asking anyway: Bought a Phillips 30 inch wide screen with built in tuner. Am hooking it up to a duel Motorola HD from comcast. Was told to buy a monster cable (HDMI) or just high grade cable for HD. Do I need those items with the built in tuner?? Am I going to get a better HDTV picture |
Silver Member Username: John_s
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| Posted on Tuesday, November 22, 2005 - 08:43 pm: |
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Joe, your cable box is your HD tuner. Who told you to buy a monster HDMI? Have you been talking to a drone at Best Buy? What does Comcast say? |
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| Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 03:50 pm: |
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fx... So a plain CRT HD Ready tv will have the same gameplay on the XBOX 360 as an HD with the built in tuner? If so tha's sweet. |
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| Posted on Friday, November 25, 2005 - 04:25 am: |
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So if you were to get a hdtv-built in TV you don't need to get an antenna for OTA channels? |
Silver Member Username: John_s
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| Posted on Friday, November 25, 2005 - 09:40 am: |
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Yes you need an antenna to receive OTA HD, the same as for the regular standard def channels. |
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| Posted on Thursday, December 01, 2005 - 02:06 pm: |
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I recently purchased a RCA 52'' HDTV only to find out that it only works as a monitor with cable and satelite. I am a college student living in the country and need to save some money. I do not have either. I have been told to purchase a HD receiver or HD tuner in order to get regular local channels. There is about $120 difference in the two. Can I even get local channels on this tv after purchasing one of these and if so, which one do I purchase? |
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| Posted on Thursday, December 01, 2005 - 02:13 pm: |
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One more question. Do the local channels have to be sending in HD for the HD tuner/receiver to work? What are the odds that my local channels are? |
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| Posted on Thursday, December 01, 2005 - 04:49 pm: |
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I want to buy a 42 Inch Plasma screen, can I use it without getting HDTV thru my Satelite and if so how will it look if I just set it up without HD. Will the picture still be decent or is it a waste without.
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