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| Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - 12:17 am: |
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hey heard something ? |
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| Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - 04:00 am: |
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i would love to say this ...or better yet ask this ....with all that knowledge about smart card and its tec secrets ..and what can be implimented and modify..........you seem like you know alot about this new p4/d1 card......so i have a couple comments
1. if you so so much......you wouldnt be tell us so much about it ....and for what reason ....to see where we are at....let me enlight you with a piece of info.......
i will post a file tomarow that only you and a couple knowledgable pll in here can understand.
and let me clear up a few points:
1/p4/d1 can be spoof
2/ getting into rom and tring to stop the card from going into shut down mode is everybody problem meaning :it has a shut down mech.that shut down when you play around .
3/how do you fix rom shut down problem. there is a file that we allways use to access the 9hole in a hcard with wtx2flash and waffer ....works flowless with v!rgin p4...the problem is it wont take a/v auth...in stream.....but frens of mine have gotten around that..so have i .....which leads me to my next point.
3/ its true this card has shut down mech. in fact 2 and when card is compromize... it shut down and card becomes ice scraper .
YOU WANT TO KNOW WHATS THE KICKER NOW .......THIS CARD HAS 2 ASCI...WHY....ONLY DAVE KNOW THAT.CAN WE EVER GET AROUND THAT PART.....ONE WILL HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE.
BTW .....WE CAN GET PARTCIAL DUMP ON THE CARD
THX. |
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| Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - 04:11 am: |
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but we dohave a p4 work around ...juss that pll have the same ... and scamming pll with activation and something like a hack....key words
(somthing like a hack).....i say this this card is well put together...AND THERE IS NO KNOWN HACK FOR P4/D1 CARD PUBLIC OR PRIVATE .......WILL THERE BE ONE ............YES&NO...LEAK INFO WOULD BE GOOD....ANYBODY FROM NDS HERE?????????HEHEHEEHEHE. |
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| Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - 04:22 am: |
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NDS Command Structure 2 v0.5
Card Version 2.0
This information is for academic interest and educational purposes only. There is nothing in this text that will enable decoding of NDS encryption. Illegal watching of encrypted TV is not condoned.
1. Introduction
2. Answer to Reset (ATR)
3. The Zero Knowledge Test (card verification)
4. The communication Protocol
5. The Entitlement Control Message (ECM)
6. The Entitlement Management Message (EMM)
7. The Instructions in detail
8. The signature
9. Codes
9.1 The Fuse Byte
9.2 The Rating Byte
9.3 The Parental Control Byte (PCB)
9.4 The Country Code.
9.5 The Regional code
9.6 The Bitmap algorithm
9.7 The keys
9.8 Structure of Date and Time
9.9 The Status Words
9.10 The Channel Entitlements (taken from Colibri Doc: http://colibri.move.to/)
1.Introduction:
The card is always asked by the ICAM to receive or send information. The card never asks the ICAM to do anything! To do this the ICAM always sends a 5 byte long command packet header to the card.
Standard 5 byte ISO-7816 header : "CLASS INSTRUCTION PARAM1 PARAM2 PARAM3"
With the introduction of the new card 2 new classes were introduced:
Class Meaning
D0/D1 Replaces 48 of the old card
D2 appends a 16 byte signature on the instruction reply
D3 Use an additional stream cipher to secure transmission between card and box (NOT using internal HashCircuit)
(Class 48 is no longer supportet and causes the card to rerun part of the initialisation including the ATR output.)
PARAM1 and PARAM2 are used differently and are often ignored. PARAM3 is the length of the packet to be send or expected to receive. The cards first reply is the instruction number which is a vital value for the ICAM. These instruction numbers are possibly contained in a jumptable in the ICAMs source leading to a specific offset where processing continues.
2.The Answer To Reset (ATR):
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| Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - 04:25 am: |
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Former ATR: 3F 7F 13 25 03 40 B0 0B 69 4C 4A 50 C0 00 00 53 59 00 00 00
New ATR : 3F 7F 13 25 03 33 B0 06 69 FF 4A 50 D0 00 00 53 59 00 00 00
3F TS - "3F" indicates inverse convention ("3B" would be direct convention)
7F T0 - "7" (0111...) indicates TA1,TB1,TC1 will be sent "F" (...1111) indicated that 15 historical bytes will be send.
13 TA1 \
25 TB1 - used for baudrate calculation
03 TC1 /
33 B0 06 69 - version Info. Has been "40 B0 0B 69"
FF - Has been ASIC reply. Now FF because he is no longer used due to multiple reasons
4A 50 C0 00 00 53 59 00 00 00 - the 15 historical bytes (system ID)
3. The Zero Knowledge Test (card verification)
These three Instructions are sent to verify that the card in the decoder is a true NDS card
Variables used:
r - 512 bit random number
n - 512 bit number which is the product of two large prime numbers;is constant;can be found in the ROM of the card and in the IRD firmware
s - based on a complex function of n
3.1 generate a random number r
>D1 4A 10 01 01
<4A - acknowledgement
>01 - selects one of two seeds that is to be used for a random number r
<90 20 - OK (90 00 not OK)
3.2 send 96-bit hash of rē MOD n to IRD
>D1 5A 10 01 10
<5A - acknowledgement
<F2 64 20 49 81 D4 14 86 E2 9A FE CA 00 00 00 00 - 96bit hash of rē MOD n
<90 20 - OK (90 00 not OK)
3.3 send either r*s MOD n or r to IRD
3.3.1 IRD asks for r
>48 5A 10 02 40
<5A
<bd fa d2 2d ef 2b 63 fa c7 b2 68 82 9c 5d 13 31
<33 f5 99 a1 63 cb aa cf 41 c9 b0 78 d4 c4 42 f1
<1f d8 93 b9 bb 3b 6f 6f 62 2f c7 2f 06 d3 c4 1d
<48 84 d7 b2 c1 64 6e 7c 05 56 f1 29 61 bc c7 00
<90 20 - OK (90 00 not OK)
3.3.2 IRD asks for r*s mod n
>48 5A 11 02 40
<5A
<71 94 69 64 7F 84 B2 EA 1D E2 16 E9 AE 79 F2 49
<CC 64 42 FE 36 52 44 90 FA C5 E9 C9 72 66 71 25
<6E 6A 82 D9 B5 7B 1C EE 21 1C 55 0B BF DE 51 B4
<A0 F0 98 BD 19 E8 AD 9C C0 61 E2 B1 DA 39 02 00
<90 20 - OK (90 00 not OK)
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| Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - 04:30 am: |
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10 [02] - Bogus!
11 [04] - Bogus! 4.The communication Protocol:
4.1 Instruction Overview
Instruction Meaning
02 BSkyB identifier "SYAV" and ROM version 02.00
04 receives one byte and writes it to 8022h
06 sends the byte at 8022h
0E sends one byte (09) - unknown
12 sends encrypted chip information
1E sends 9 bytes - unkown
28
2A sends detailed card information (mostly from EEPROM)
40 makes it possible to process commands
42
4C
4.2 Command Overview
The values in brackets indicate the fixed length byte for this command. The remaining commands have all a variable length.
Red - commands are processed in realtime (no matter if signature is correct or not)
Fuchsia - commands are buffered and executed via the deferred command buffer only if the signature is correct
Lime - command is processed in real time but don't change anything. Only important for ASIC.
Blue -
Teal -
Black - handled seperatly
Basic command set:
00 [00] - No Operation
01 [04] - Sets Date/Time
02 [01] - Sets rating byte, marks message as ECM
03 [03] - checks channel entitlements
04 [00] - set bit 2Ah.0
05 [00] - clear bit 2Ah.0
06 [0B] - compares Postal code, opens card filter if they match
07 LE - set bit 2Ch.6
08 LE - Bogus!
09 [03] - initialise ASIC with specified key, flushes the command buffer (nanos which need no signature stay)
0A [05] - Bogus!
0B LE - write 14 bytes to 9E36h
0C [00] -
0D [00] - Bogus!
0E [00] - Bogus!
0F [04] - Bogus!
12 [12] - set Blackout bits
13 [02] - Bogus!
14 [01] - clear Blackout bits
15 LE - Bogus!
16 [07] - Bogus!
17 LE - Bogus!
18 [03] -
19 [01] - stores the Time Zone in EEPROM (9CC9h)
1A [04] - Bogus!
1B [03] - Bogus!
1C [00] - Bogus!
1D LE - stores the Zip Code in EEPROM (9CA8h)
1E [08] - set the PostCode
1F LE -
20 [00] - Bogus!
21 [00] - Bogus!
22 [00] - Bogus!
23 [00] - Bogus!
24 [00] - Close Filter
25 [00] - Flip filter, from open to closed or vice versa
26 [01] -
27 [0D] - Card Swap! (write cardswap key to 9FF5h/Date stamp to 9CA0h/update fuse)
28 [07] - Bogus!
29 [08] - something to do with PPV (add entry to purchase list?)
2A [01] - Bogus!
2B [02] - UnSwap card! (write cardswap send key to 9FF5h/Date stamp to 9CA0h/update fuse)
2C [04] - Bogus!
2D [04] - sets Activation Date/Time
2E [08] - Bogus!
2F LE - Bogus!
30 [00] -
31 [03] - checks Serial Number
32 [03] - checks Shared Address (whole card group)
33 LE - checks Shared Address, processes bitmap
34 LE - Bogus!
35 [00] - Bogus!
36 [00] - Bogus!
37 LE - Bogus!
38 [00] - checks Postal Code
39 [00] - Bogus!
3A [00] - Bogus!
3B LE - Bogus!
3C LE - Bogus!
3D [02] - activates card and write PPV spending limit
3E [00] - deacivate card
3F [02] - Bogus!
40 [00] -
41 [05] - add/update channel entitlements (tier)
42 [02] - drop channel entitlement (tier)
43 [02] - Bogus!
44 [04] -
45 [05] - Bogus!
46 LE - Bogus!
47 [01] - Bogus!
48 [00] -
49 [02] - Bogus!
4A [05] - Bogus!
THIS IS TOO LARGE TO POST .....I WILL ZIP IT WITH FILE AND POST TOMAROW. |
THE-TRUTH Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - 05:17 am: |
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It doesn't really matter, but NONE of the posts yesterday were from me, with the exception of the first one (which let you guys know why I haven't been posting). I, like my twisted impersonator, do appreciate everyone's kind words though. As for your C&P Ken, it's old. However, most of what is said still applies currently and I also agree with ALMOST all the points made. I know all of you would love it if I had some new hopeful news to post, but before I get everyone excited, bare with me for one more day so I can try and verify the validity of what I'm hearing.
THE TRUTH |
New member Username: Bjkidd
Post Number: 3
Registered: Jun-04
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| Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - 06:39 am: |
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i heard there is more sizzle in the pan now about the p4 than before and don't throw away the p3 card
just yet. this sure made me feel better.
oh yeah c-band with black board about 30 channels |
Bronze Member Username: Martin
Ontario
Canada
Post Number: 72
Registered: Jul-04
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| Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - 08:19 am: |
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is this what it was like with the p3 all these hacks that are suposedly out like from st catherines ar niagra or the resrve? |
New member Username: Irdaone
Post Number: 3
Registered: Aug-04
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| Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - 12:41 pm: |
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well hear I am |
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| Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - 12:59 pm: |
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its good to know |
Flying Tiger Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - 02:18 pm: |
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I'm an ATC (traffic controller) here at Twin Cities International Airport. Of course, I'm not even supposed to be web surfing while working, but it's a slow day. For those who care, yes, there is a P4 hack. Everyone saw it comming. Hell, the only reason why it was so much harder to crack (besides the several million dollars spent to make it hard to hack) was the fact that the company who previously engineered and manufactured the access cards (NDS Ltd.) was selling secrets on how to hack them. Well, Dave then started making his own cards now, of course, but they're just as hackable. So just be patient because its coming soon !
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Silver Member Username: Tazspin
Post Number: 152
Registered: May-04
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| Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - 04:22 pm: |
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Yeah now that nds and dtv are owned by the same person it's going to be easeir to crack the new cards, I think not. |
WETHE PEOPLE Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - 04:34 pm: |
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: "Flying Tiger" : PLEASE GIVE US CORRECT INFORMATION, HAVE YOU SEEN THIS WITH YOUR OWN EYES.PLEASE RESPOND AND ARE THE 100s WIDE OPEN???? thanks for your time. |
Silver Member Username: Elgringoviego
Post Number: 238
Registered: Jun-04
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| Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - 04:36 pm: |
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THE-TRUTH -- I knew that wasn't you doing encores.
Anyway, I also have private confirmation that a hack exists and will be made public soon, but I can say absolutely nothing more about it. As I was told, anyone is free to either believe me or not, because it makes no difference to me one way or the other.
I'll be looking forward to reading your next post because I'm sure it will confirm what I've also been told. I wish I could say more, but I can't.
Suffice to say that if your group has come across a hack that's other than the one I'm talking about, that would actually fit right in with what I've been told.
Waiting to hear from you,
Ken |
Silver Member Username: Tazspin
Post Number: 153
Registered: May-04
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| Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - 04:46 pm: |
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And when the new cards are hacked that will give Murdoch a reason to have his dtv pay his nds more money for a new "unhackable card" much like his dtv has doubled the amount of ads shown on his fox network (keeping the money in the family at the expense of stock holders and subscribers). |
Happy Guy....  Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - 05:12 pm: |
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OK....So THE TRUTH and Flying Tiger and Kenneth David are saying the hack is coming !!... Whoop de do !! |
Happy Guy.... Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - 05:39 pm: |
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I should have seen this coming. Over the years I've observed that the more arrogant and less responsive people get, the more likely they're about to fail. Oddly, when the going gets tough, most people don't do a gut check and rededicate themselves to providing responsible information. Instead, they circle the wagons and go into a delirious false expectations operation. |
Silver Member Username: Bootlegger
Post Number: 106
Registered: Apr-04
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| Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - 05:59 pm: |
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ya know i haven't been posting here lately, cuz this place was going to the Sh$ts. now it is the SH$Ts. so many a$$ wipe phony Unregistered guests,an other nick stealers. it's hard to tell who the H$ll is saying what. what a bunch off WHINY CRY BABIES. don't ya have anyplace else to go to harass peeps. |
PW-voice Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - 06:08 pm: |
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Hey Ya ...boot redneck,,,just get ur chit outta here |
Silver Member Username: Bootlegger
Post Number: 107
Registered: Apr-04
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| Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - 06:24 pm: |
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see what i mean, just a waste of band width. nothing to say. YUP an i am a redneck, got the guns hangin in my back pickup winder to prove it. |
PW-voice Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - 06:31 pm: |
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Ballsdeep!....cool nick...bet you get all the ladies |
PW-voice Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - 06:38 pm: |
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and we're not waisting bandwidth....we're here sitting waiting for the hack to caome |
Silver Member Username: Elgringoviego
Post Number: 239
Registered: Jun-04
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| Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - 06:44 pm: |
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boot -- Right on, m'man! Good to hear from you again.
Happy Guy -- You know, normally I wouldn't even waste my time responding to a naysayer like yourself, but you write intelligently, even though what you write is devoid of applicabiity and logically incorrect. You read good books, but never understand them.
You've correctly paraphrased a thought about people who become arrogant and less responsive, but then you willy-nilly apply those dispersions to three people, not one of whom you know anything about. And in the same breath you drew a false conclusion by ascribing failure to us: If a hack isn't forthcoming, we will not have failed; we will all three of us have been lied to by different persons, something that goes on in life all the time. I do not fail because I believe people that I trust. In fact, just the opposite would be true.
And the last half of your illogical assertion is even more replete with nonsense. First of all, when the going gets tough most people, like yourself, go into hiding somewhere and assume anonyminity. I for one, and THE-TRUTH for another, provide info in re to all colors of the spectrum, good or bad or indfferent, and aren't afraid to live with the consequences. That's the gut check, little fella.
And as far as circling any wagons is concerned, I wouldn't want the likes of you on my side if push ever came to shove because you'd be heading for the hills.
Lastly, "and go into a delirious false expectations operation": That's exactly what your little pea brain allowed you to do.
Don't use words that you can't handle.
Ken
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Silver Member Username: Elgringoviego
Post Number: 240
Registered: Jun-04
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| Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - 06:52 pm: |
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boot -- Right on, m'man! Good to hear from you again.
Happy Guy -- You know, normally I wouldn't even waste my time responding to a naysayer like yourself, but you write intelligently, even though what you write is devoid of applicabiity and logically incorrect. You read good books, but never understand them.
You've correctly paraphrased a thought about people who become arrogant and less responsive, but then you willy-nilly apply those dispersions to three people, not one of whom you know anything about. And in the same breath you drew a false conclusion by ascribing failure to us: If a hack isn't forthcoming, we will not have failed; we will all three of us have been lied to by different persons, something that goes on in life all the time. I do not fail because I believe people that I trust. In fact, just the opposite would be true.
And the last half of your illogical assertion is even more replete with nonsense. First of all, when the going gets tough most people, like yourself, go into hiding somewhere and assume anonyminity. I for one, and THE-TRUTH for another, provide info in re to all colors of the spectrum, good or bad or indfferent, and aren't afraid to live with the consequences. That's the gut check, little fella.
And as far as circling any wagons is concerned, I wouldn't want the likes of you on my side if push ever came to shove because you'd be heading for the hills.
Lastly, "and go into a delirious false expectations operation": That's exactly what your little pea brain allowed you to do.
Don't use words that you can't handle.
Ken
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Silver Member Username: Elgringoviego
Post Number: 241
Registered: Jun-04
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| Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - 06:58 pm: |
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boot -- Right on, m'man! Good to hear from you again.
Happy Guy -- You know, normally I wouldn't even waste my time responding to a naysayer like yourself, but you write intelligently, even though what you write is devoid of applicabiity and logically incorrect. You read good books, but never understand them.
You've correctly paraphrased a thought about people who become arrogant and less responsive, but then you willy-nilly apply those dispersions to three people, not one of whom you know anything about. And in the same breath you drew a false conclusion by ascribing failure to us: If a hack isn't forthcoming, we will not have failed; we will all three of us have been lied to by different persons, something that goes on in life all the time. I do not fail because I believe people that I trust. In fact, just the opposite would be true.
And the last half of your illogical assertion is even more replete with nonsense. First of all, when the going gets tough most people, like yourself, go into hiding somewhere and assume anonyminity. I for one, and THE-TRUTH for another, provide info in re to all colors of the spectrum, good or bad or indfferent, and aren't afraid to live with the consequences. That's the gut check, little fella.
And as far as circling any wagons is concerned, I wouldn't want the likes of you on my side if push ever came to shove because you'd be heading for the hills.
Lastly, "and go into a delirious false expectations operation": That's exactly what your little pea brain allowed you to do.
Don't use words that you can't handle.
Ken
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| Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - 07:01 pm: |
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Ken speaks like my literature teacher |
Silver Member Username: Tazspin
Post Number: 154
Registered: May-04
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| Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - 07:08 pm: |
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welcome back Boot you will have to excuse the pests we seem to have gotten infested where is the dam exterminator. |
Silver Member Username: Elgringoviego
Post Number: 242
Registered: Jun-04
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| Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - 07:09 pm: |
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Sorry about the triple post guys. After sending all I could get was a white screen for five minutes at a time, so I'd hit "refresh." Then I did it again, and you see the results.
My apologies, Ken |
Free Willy Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - 07:17 pm: |
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wut ken is doing is sending the same post alot of times so he becomes a goldmember |
Free Willy Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - 07:26 pm: |
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and yep he talks like my english teacher to |
Silver Member Username: Tazspin
Post Number: 155
Registered: May-04
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| Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - 07:30 pm: |
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Though here is something for you all to reflect on Murdoch wasn't in charge during the last card swap and even with 15+ million subscribers some one who knew how to do it could do it a heck of a lot faster (just requires hiring temporary help). And it is now in Murdoch's interest to devolop a real unhackable conditional access card that he can sell to others. |
Silver Member Username: Tazspin
Post Number: 156
Registered: May-04
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| Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - 07:35 pm: |
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what we can hit gold member (you should not have told me that I was satisfied with silver let the flaming begin) |
Free Willy Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - 07:49 pm: |
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when u have 50 posts ur a bronze member
when u have 100 posts ur a silver member
when u have 300 posts ur a gold member
when u have 500 posts u have no life |
Silver Member Username: Elgringoviego
Post Number: 243
Registered: Jun-04
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| Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - 08:03 pm: |
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Free Willy -- If you would have always posted under the same nick, and if you would have registered, you'd be dead by now.
But thanks for the compliment. (By the way, if you had paid attention to your English teacher,
you'd have known to use "too" instead of "to" when you mean "also," or "as well," or "in excess," as in "too much," which is what you are.)
And thanks once more for giving me the opportunity get yet another post! When I get my "gold member" award, what would you like to do with it?
"Food" for thought?
Ken |
Free Willy Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - 08:16 pm: |
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ŋshove it in Uranus ? |
Bronze Member Username: Deaf
Post Number: 42
Registered: Aug-04
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| Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - 08:33 pm: |
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Hello guys....did some one call for a exterminator...lol....that post from Flying Tiger is mostly a C/P from this site about a month a go. Ken it don't matter what the peeps say, we know better. btw never cry wolf |
Toronto Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - 11:14 pm: |
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Sigh... |
Silver Member Username: Elgringoviego
Post Number: 244
Registered: Jun-04
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| Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - 11:44 pm: |
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deaf -- Thanks for watchin' my back, but trust me, the snipers don't cause me a wink of sleep. As I've always said, Envy is the Mother of Ignorance.
I think I know who Flying Tiger is, and he's not a bad guy. But the different personnas he assumes sound to much alike and others will catch on real quick.
Wait a little while, and I'm going to PM you here.
Ken |
Silver Member Username: Elgringoviego
Post Number: 245
Registered: Jun-04
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| Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - 11:47 pm: |
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Okay, at the other place. |
Bronze Member Username: Deaf
Post Number: 43
Registered: Aug-04
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| Posted on Wednesday, September 01, 2004 - 12:32 am: |
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Ken check ur pm |
Bronze Member Username: John4949
Post Number: 79
Registered: Jun-04
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| Posted on Wednesday, September 01, 2004 - 12:44 am: |
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Hey guys,
I need some help on sharing service. I paid off my old bill but dave is acting strange about giving me more then one card...I posted the details on the other board.. Come on over ! 
Peace |
New member Username: Peeper
Post Number: 3
Registered: Aug-04
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| Posted on Wednesday, September 01, 2004 - 01:15 am: |
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boy PW is awful quiet! must be his night off!!! |
Silver Member Username: Elgringoviego
Post Number: 246
Registered: Jun-04
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| Posted on Wednesday, September 01, 2004 - 02:10 am: |
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deaf -- Ditto.
This place sleeps too much. WAKE UP!!!
All this quietude gives me insomnia.
Ken |
Bronze Member Username: Wantedman
Post Number: 41
Registered: May-04
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| Posted on Wednesday, September 01, 2004 - 03:07 am: |
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hmm |
New member Username: Bjkidd
Post Number: 4
Registered: Jun-04
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| Posted on Wednesday, September 01, 2004 - 06:20 am: |
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does anyone no who owns this site
http://www.dishloader.com/mdindex.htm
claiming to have a program and a full 3m |
Silver Member Username: Elgringoviego
Post Number: 247
Registered: Jun-04
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| Posted on Wednesday, September 01, 2004 - 06:38 am: |
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Free Willy -- OK, now that I've had my two hours of sleep, I'm going to apologize to you. You're comments were not offensive, actually rather witty, and at first that's the way I took them and wanted to reply appropriately. But I should have stopped after the "English Lesson." Playfull banter is fun, and you're good at it. But I went too far when I brought in the "Gold Member" award, and for that I apologize.
Not only do I apologize, but I never did give you the "kudos" you deserved by your winning repartee, "Put it in Uranus." That should have been answered with a "Touche!"
You're a sharp person, young or old. I hope you're not offended.
Nobody's on line, so I'll pleasure myself by doing what I enjoy fourth most, writing.
Y'know, some days are more difficult than most, and I guess today was one of them. On Monday a poster who goes by the nick of Markcam, made reference to what turned out to be a zip-file at dsscentral. Rather than having everyone going over to that site and trying to find it, I C/P'd it here. It was old, but nonetheless still true.
In fact, as I had pointed out at another site where it had been posted before I had gotten the chance to, a post that was true four to five months ago and was still true today, based upon what we minions know, is even more credible.
Regardless, at both sites it was pretty well received in the same way. It was old, and therefore didn't count. (I would be remiss if I didn't mention the fact that my position was supported by an Admin who is renowned by the nick known as Cipher. Thanks, guy.)
Subsequently, I was informed by a contact who will go un-named, but of equal renown from a different site, that a hack was forthcoming in the immediate future. So I reported that, as well, to the extent that I felt was not a breach of honor, and of course that was met with equal disdain.
So you get it from both sides, and that should be expected. (By the way, to give further credit to Cipher, even though he defended my position to defend the C/P, etc., he has put his own rep on the line by "predicting" that a hack will be forthcoming in the "immediate future," as well. Y'gotta respect a guy with "cajones" that big.)
Then, after you've done what you thought was the most professional thing to do, post both sides,
you get a pissant who contributes nothing, not even humor, who, like his namesake, wants to pi$$ on the efforts of those who are trying to bring the best information that's available to the forefront.
And that's when I become the Intolerable Pedant (aka Literature/English Teacher). And yeah, that sucks. But at least that's one less psuedo-intellectual from the Peanut Gallery that hasn't been heard from. Remember this if you wanna play with me: I don't accept criticism from non-contributers. Banter and fun, yeah. And when I lose it, I apologize.
And now, at 3:30am my time, I had better get ready for the early risers your time.
See y'all later.
Ken
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Silver Member Username: Elgringoviego
Post Number: 248
Registered: Jun-04
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the bjkidd -- SCAM. Forget it. This is the same "offshore" company that we just finished destroying a couple of months ago, now under a different name. $hit, they're still selling HU Mikobu loaders!!! Some of their pages, like shipping instructions, are the exact same copies of what they had before: Wrap your card in foil, put it in a birthday card, etc. BS, BS, BS.
For anyone who's been on-line for more than a month, it's a joke. On the other hand gentlemen, there're a lot of newbies who need your advice, no matter how trivial it might seem to you, so step up and help these guys. Remember when you didn't know $hit? Well, now it's your turn to be the good guy.
Ken |
Bronze Member Username: Martin
Ontario
Canada
Post Number: 74
Registered: Jul-04
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i am moving to an apartment does anyone know if i can simply put my dish in the window faceing south west or does it have to be outside i dont have window sills to attach it . will it still pickup the signal through the glass? |
Bronze Member Username: Windup
Post Number: 50
Registered: Jun-04
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| Posted on Wednesday, September 01, 2004 - 09:12 am: |
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Martin
I am not sure if you will get a signal or not but
if it was my apt. my wife would freak out with a dish pointing out the window. so must assume you are a free man, keep up the cause for men every where.
wayne |
PW-voice Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Wednesday, September 01, 2004 - 09:37 am: |
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Yes...U can go thru glass,as I have seen many state they have successfully done this, who have lived in apartments..
a
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Bronze Member Username: Martin
Ontario
Canada
Post Number: 75
Registered: Jul-04
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| Posted on Wednesday, September 01, 2004 - 09:39 am: |
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about to become free. DIVORCE.the fuckken BICTHH. |
Bronze Member Username: Martin
Ontario
Canada
Post Number: 76
Registered: Jul-04
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| Posted on Wednesday, September 01, 2004 - 09:40 am: |
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thanks pw |
Bronze Member Username: Windup
Post Number: 51
Registered: Jun-04
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| Posted on Wednesday, September 01, 2004 - 10:02 am: |
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Martin
Welcome to the club
Almost everyone has a PRACTICE WIFE. My mistake was doing it again. I took my ex to a wife swapping party and got 2 baloons and a toaster for her, the toaster didn't work ,but I still got the best end of the deal.
Wayne |
Bronze Member Username: Martin
Ontario
Canada
Post Number: 77
Registered: Jul-04
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| Posted on Wednesday, September 01, 2004 - 10:47 am: |
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thanks for the laugh |
New member Username: Juv
USA
Post Number: 5
Registered: Aug-04
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| Posted on Wednesday, September 01, 2004 - 11:34 am: |
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What are the best cards to buy right now if neither the p4 or p5 cards are programmable? |
New member Username: Danimal2208
Post Number: 7
Registered: Aug-04
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| Posted on Wednesday, September 01, 2004 - 11:42 am: |
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I really like Pinochle Cards!!! Double deck is Awesome!!
Danimal |
Free Willy Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Wednesday, September 01, 2004 - 01:35 pm: |
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It takes a cool dude to recognize its peer... (J.K. )
not... actually I think ur posts have the perfect balance of sense & humor
so i hope this endearment remains forever ...even when u become a "goldmember"
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Bronze Member Username: Deaf
Post Number: 44
Registered: Aug-04
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| Posted on Wednesday, September 01, 2004 - 01:40 pm: |
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Justin you are obviously new to this,there are no other cards,so you will just have to wait like everyone else.PS don't get suckerd into anything,because there is nothing yet!you appear to be very vulnerable! |
PW-voice Unregistered guest |
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This is a copy/paste from dsscentral...might interest some,or maybe not factual...but I thought U all might want to see it,do whatever U like with this..a
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Just wanted to give everybody a heads up on this dealer. He is a scamming SOB don't buy anything from him. The forum is filled with a ton of great people but the store is a scam. He uses the forum to sucker people into thinking he is legit and then takes your money and you get nothing. Family member and I purchased ( or tried to purchase ) a pansat from him. Placed the order and we were told 2 to 5 day delivery still nothing and this is 4 weeks later. We've tried to contact the store via e-mail can't do that because the e-mail address is invalid, call directly to the store and get voice mail can't leave message because mail bax is full. We posted on the forum what was going on their were about 30 other people having the same problem. So he comes into the thread yesterday and says that the pansats are faulty and he will send a ultra instead BS. DON"T BUY ANYTHING FROM THIS SCAMMING SOB!!!! |
PW-voice REAL one Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Wednesday, September 01, 2004 - 07:00 pm: |
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WOW...someone's really been going to town impersonating me the past 2 days....I can't even go to every thread to read whatever the imposter is saying but whatever ...IT's NOT ME!...guess someone really wants to grow up and be just like me....LOL
BTW...this is a copy/paste from dsscentral..but not confirmed/denied by dsscentral,just a members post...might interest some,or maybe not factual...but I thought U all might want to see it,do whatever U like with this..a
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Just wanted to give everybody a heads up on this dealer. He is a scamming SOB don't buy anything from him. The forum is filled with a ton of great people but the store is a scam. He uses the forum to sucker people into thinking he is legit and then takes your money and you get nothing. Family member and I purchased ( or tried to purchase ) a pansat from him. Placed the order and we were told 2 to 5 day delivery still nothing and this is 4 weeks later. We've tried to contact the store via e-mail can't do that because the e-mail address is invalid, call directly to the store and get voice mail can't leave message because mail bax is full. We posted on the forum what was going on their were about 30 other people having the same problem. So he comes into the thread yesterday and says that the pansats are faulty and he will send a ultra instead BS. DON"T BUY ANYTHING FROM THIS SCAMMING SOB!!!! |
PW-voice REAL one is a fake Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Wednesday, September 01, 2004 - 07:04 pm: |
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BEWARE |
Silver Member Username: Elgringoviego
Post Number: 249
Registered: Jun-04
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| Posted on Wednesday, September 01, 2004 - 07:39 pm: |
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Free Willy -- Not only funny and classy, but you're obviously an extremely intelligent person!
Our mutual endearment will endure through eternity and beyond, of that I'm absolutely uncertain.
Ken
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Benny HillJoe Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Wednesday, September 01, 2004 - 07:58 pm: |
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Yes please ignore any PW-voice etc posts in the future...I will have to use a new nick again....some people's children....the original true real PW-voice etc is retired! |
New member Username: Peeper
Post Number: 4
Registered: Aug-04
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| Posted on Wednesday, September 01, 2004 - 08:15 pm: |
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your full of SH!T if u had any credabilty ud register!!!!! |
PW-voice Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Wednesday, September 01, 2004 - 09:38 pm: |
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Benny HillJoe sounds like a hillbillie nick . i hate it !! |
Benny HillJoe Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Wednesday, September 01, 2004 - 09:52 pm: |
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peeper man...U stole one of my other nicks here...peeper.....U can stop all this impersonating me anytime now...just cause U've registered doesn't give U ANY credentials..U're a fake,not me!...at least U could have come up with your own nick..and that impersonating me as PW is old too..and I really hope U do dislike my new nick too..and said "I hate it"..a
BTW...go to a chat and BS...somewhere that they can boot U,then ban U...some of us would like to use these forums for info and sharing,rather than these childish pranks..now talk to the hand.. |
PW-voice Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Wednesday, September 01, 2004 - 10:08 pm: |
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U know what Benny Hill.... if U dont go back to ur old nick...FRANCES is gonna git U |
Bronze Member Username: Simple_minded
Post Number: 59
Registered: Jun-04
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| Posted on Wednesday, September 01, 2004 - 10:09 pm: |
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GROAN-hey ken
Simple Minded |
New member Username: Benny_hilljoe
Post Number: 1
Registered: Sep-04
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| Posted on Wednesday, September 01, 2004 - 10:13 pm: |
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I hate it too!! can't you think of something more original!!!! |
Joe Benny Hill Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Wednesday, September 01, 2004 - 10:17 pm: |
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Screw U pal..just went thru Charley and Frances is going to affect us...thats NOT even funny..U're a sick puppy..
well someone just did it again,stole my new Benny HillJoe nick,and now registering it...what,does this forum allow U to register with more than 1 nick,cause I think its the same few who keep doing this.. |
Silver Member Username: Elgringoviego
Post Number: 250
Registered: Jun-04
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| Posted on Thursday, September 02, 2004 - 12:03 am: |
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Welcome back Tony. This has been going on for over a week now, a week ago Sunday I believe. Not much else to talk about though. Everyone's waiting for the same thing. If it ain't here by the time football kicks off on the 12th (11th? did someone say?) I'm going into semi-retirement from this thing and just check in daily.
Ken |
Clueless & Worried Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Thursday, September 02, 2004 - 12:37 am: |
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Im here in Victoria (can.) and I just bought a subbed P5 and its workin ok But my question is this...Im customer #102 so this guy has sold by now more than 200 subbed cards. So how can he get so many subs ? Does this mean theyre all coming down soon ? |
Psylent Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Thursday, September 02, 2004 - 12:51 am: |
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::holds up a "newbie" sign:: I have a P4 card and although I know there's no hack as of yet I have the opportunity to get a P5 from a friend. Should I get a P5 and hold on to it just in case or do you believe the P4 will be the card that's hacked? |
Clueless & Worried Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Thursday, September 02, 2004 - 12:57 am: |
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oh..and this guy offered a 5 month guaranty and hes at his house . I took my ird there. |
Bronze Member Username: Deaf
Post Number: 45
Registered: Aug-04
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| Posted on Thursday, September 02, 2004 - 12:57 am: |
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Clueless it's imposible for him to have 200 cards registerd under one name. he would have to have at least 40 differant accounts under differant names. btw your card probably will only be up a month, after he stops paying the bill. sorry to be the bearer of bad news. |
Clueless & Worried Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Thursday, September 02, 2004 - 12:59 am: |
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I mean he works from his house so hes not going away. |
Bronze Member Username: Deaf
Post Number: 46
Registered: Aug-04
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| Posted on Thursday, September 02, 2004 - 01:08 am: |
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do you know that for sure? maybe he's renting...looking to make a quick buck. |
Clueless & W Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Thursday, September 02, 2004 - 01:14 am: |
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yea hes renting a 2nd floor flat and he just has some laptops some tvs and a bunch of irds and 1 big old dish and phone lines . well I hope it doesnt happen what you said but thancks alot deaf. |
Silver Member Username: Elgringoviego
Post Number: 251
Registered: Jun-04
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| Posted on Thursday, September 02, 2004 - 02:00 am: |
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Right on! deaf. What bothers me is why people buy into things first and then ask their questions later. I don't know what Clueless & W paid, but at best he's going to get a month-and-a-half, and if he's at the end of the line of his sub-group, he may be down in weeks or even days.
Psylent -- Don't buy anything. If you live in the US and you have to subscribe, DAVE will sell you a P5 for $20. If you live anywhere, as you most certainly do, if and when a hack ever comes it'll be good if not better for the P4.
And now the bad news: No sooner did I post what I thought was good news about a "guaranteed" hack when I'm now informed that all bets are off. C'est la vie! (C'mon, I-told-you-so's, I ain't runnin' away.)
Ken |
We shall overcome said... Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Thursday, September 02, 2004 - 02:40 am: |
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Bronze Member Username: Windup
Post Number: 52
Registered: Jun-04
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| Posted on Thursday, September 02, 2004 - 01:23 pm: |
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Clueless
If your card is #102 how did you figure that there is 200 or more subbed cards out there?
Maybe your only the second or at worst 102nd.
Wayne |
Endless Screw Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Thursday, September 02, 2004 - 03:19 pm: |
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SO WHEEERE IS THE HAAAAACK !?!?!? ....are we having it .....or are we having it not !!!!! |
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| Posted on Thursday, September 02, 2004 - 05:10 pm: |
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Wow . . . in more than 12 hours no B.S post. In fact only 3 posts.
Evolution? |
Clueless & W. Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Thursday, September 02, 2004 - 05:16 pm: |
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To Wayne Upshaw.........Im customer #102 because the guy has a list on his comp where he has your name -irds serial - the cards number and your phone and I saw that list when I went to pick up my ird because you have to leave it there overnight. And alot of peepz have been goin there because hes the only one doin it here in Victoria so thats why I said that by now maybe theres 200 subs but i had been reading these sites and nobody says that you can have that many subs so I got worried that yhis is a scam. Also death said it is a scam. And I been using the sub for 8 days now and only 1 time it came on screen call 711? so I just called the guy and just said #102 and after a while it was back on. and you pay $150 can for the card and the guy said you wont have any problems for 5 months. But maybe I got screwed so I plan on keep reading these sites to know when a good crack comes out. OK. |
Bronze Member Username: Windup
Post Number: 53
Registered: Jun-04
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| Posted on Thursday, September 02, 2004 - 05:18 pm: |
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not evolution, resignation.
No fix now, no fix ever.
My main man was supposed to go to London last friday to see a demo of the fix. Meeting was canceled with no resheduled date.
But there is an old saying
Cheer up things could be worse and sure enough I cheered up and things got worse.
wayne |
Clueless & W Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Thursday, September 02, 2004 - 05:20 pm: |
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oh -and I also saw the big bunch of irds that peepz are taking there. |
Silver Member Username: Elgringoviego
Post Number: 252
Registered: Jun-04
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| Posted on Thursday, September 02, 2004 - 07:33 pm: |
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wayne upshaw -- You have a great sense on humor, and in times that aren't so promising. Nice to see that.
(If you want to see real stress in action, go visit P4info.com, P4 forums. They were publicly "guaranteeing" a fix & loader mod, and it all fell through. I am holding out the slightest hope that my "guarantee" didn't disappear with theirs, but I'm not very encouraged.)
Anyway, with you sense of humor in mind, and having loved the joke you made about your ex-, I'm offering the following just to brighten up everyone's day as it did mine:
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Subj: Fw: FW: According to Children
Date: 9/2/2004 12:34:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Sent from the Internet (Details)
Subject: According to Children
HOW DO YOU DECIDE WHO TO MARRY?
( 1 ) You got to find somebody who likes the same stuff. Like, if you
like sports, she should like it that you like sports, and she should
keep the chips and dip coming.
-- Alan, age 10
( 2 ) No person really decides before they grow up who they're going
to marry. God decides it all way before, and you get to find out later
who you're stuck with.
-- Kirsten, age 10
WHAT IS THE RIGHT AGE TO GET MARRIED?
( 1 ) Twenty-three is the best age because you know the person FOREVER
by then.
-- Camille, age 10
( 2 ) No age is good to get married at. You got to be a fool to get
married.
-- Freddie, age 6 (very wise for his age)
HOW CAN A STRANGER TELL IF TWO PEOPLE ARE MARRIED?
( 1 ) You might have to guess, based on whether they seem to be
yelling at the same kids.
-- Derrick, age 8
WHAT DO YOU THINK YOUR MOM AND DAD HAVE IN COMMON?
( 1 ) Both don't want any more kids.
-- Lori, age 8
WHAT DO MOST PEOPLE DO ON A DATE?
( 1 ) Dates are for having fun, and people should use them to get to
know each other. Even boys have something to say if you listen long
enough.
-- Lynnette, age 8 (isn't she a treasure)
( 2 ) On the first date, they just tell each other lies and that
usually gets them interested enough to go for a second date.
-- Martin, age 10
WHAT WOULD YOU DO ON A FIRST DATE THAT WAS TURNING SOUR?
( 1 ) I'd run home and play dead. The next day I would call all the
newspapers and make sure they wrote about me in all the dead columns.
-- Craig, age 9
WHEN IS IT OKAY TO KISS SOMEONE?
( 1 ) When they're rich.
-- Pam, age 7
( 2 ) The law says you have to be eighteen, so I wouldn't want to mess
with that.
-- Curt, age 7
( 3 ) The rule goes like this: If you kiss someone, then you should
marry them and have kids with them. It's the right thing to do.
-- Howard, age 8
IS IT BETTER TO BE SINGLE OR MARRIED?
( 1 ) I don't know which is better, but I'll tell you one thing. I'm
never going to have sex with my wife. I don't want to be all grossed
out.
-- Theodore, age 8
( 2 ) It's better for girls to be single but not for boys. Boys need
someone to clean up after them.
-- Anita, age 9 (bless you child)
HOW WOULD THE WORLD BE DIFFERENT IF PEOPLE DIDN'T GET MARRIED?
( 1 ) There sure would be a lot of kids to explain, wouldn't there?
-- Kelvin, age 8
And the #1 Favorite is :
HOW WOULD YOU MAKE A MARRIAGE WORK?
( 1 ) Tell your wife that she looks pretty, even if she looks like a
truck.
-- Ricky, age 10
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Bronze Member Username: Deaf
Post Number: 47
Registered: Aug-04
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| Posted on Thursday, September 02, 2004 - 08:19 pm: |
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Very good Ken,enjoyed that. |
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| Posted on Thursday, September 02, 2004 - 08:31 pm: |
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well guys
bad news this site for some reason ...wen i upload the filez they are not showing up on here...why??????????.and my posts are been removed
WHY...WHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!? |
Bronze Member Username: Deaf
Post Number: 48
Registered: Aug-04
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| Posted on Thursday, September 02, 2004 - 08:40 pm: |
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Oh Ken btw im still very optimistic, just think it will take a little longer. Kinda expected that, from what I was told. |
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| Posted on Thursday, September 02, 2004 - 08:42 pm: |
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well is there a reason .....for my posts and filez removal?????????? |
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| Posted on Thursday, September 02, 2004 - 08:49 pm: |
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never noticed, but I know some of mine were removed also,but I know who's doing it.... |
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| Posted on Thursday, September 02, 2004 - 09:02 pm: |
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here's a clue....he lives in hurricane country |
Endless Screw Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Thursday, September 02, 2004 - 09:09 pm: |
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U MEAN ITS PECKERHEAD ???? |
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| Posted on Thursday, September 02, 2004 - 09:11 pm: |
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Y |
Administration Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Thursday, September 02, 2004 - 09:29 pm: |
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ao700 ---Your posts were deleted because theyre filthy and plain disgusting . |
New member Username: Putz
Post Number: 5
Registered: Aug-04
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| Posted on Thursday, September 02, 2004 - 09:48 pm: |
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ao700 >>> I just went to that place P4info.com. There looking for filez. Post them (Urz) over there.
Administration >>> They wernt "plain."
Kenneth David >>> I dont get the jokes. So the joke is on U.
putz |
Administration Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Thursday, September 02, 2004 - 10:00 pm: |
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PW--How dare U correct me! I can get U banned permanently from this site! |
Silver Member Username: Elgringoviego
Post Number: 253
Registered: Jun-04
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| Posted on Thursday, September 02, 2004 - 10:19 pm: |
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PW-putz -- Two out of three ain't bad.
deaf -- Forever the optimists, we are. But seriously, I didn't get my info directly from p4info, so hopefully my guy (and your guy, if they're different) are onto something else. By the way, looks like you're only one online with a sense of humor tonite. No, Anonymous was funny, and so was putz.
Anyone know the URL for ID? I've been spending some time watching the blood-letting going on over at p4info, and more than a few times that site has been referred to as the most technically qualified site on the net. Not that I'd understand everything that they're talking about, but I'd like to hear their opinions and maybe even learn a little bit.
Thanks,
Ken |
