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Thread: NFL Sunday Ticket:Nagravision 3 Work Around Released Today!! |
    
Gold Member Username: Plymouth
Canada
Post Number: 9985
Registered: Jan-08
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| Posted on Wednesday, July 01, 2009 - 11:30 pm: |
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C/P from reliable source.
This is worth a front page mention, and it is good news for the entire satellite community for the years to come. Nfusion has released a work around for the Nagravision 3 encryption system in use by Bev for NFL Sunday Ticket. As of right now, Nfusion users can view NFL Sunday Ticket while plugged into the internet with their Nfusion. Expect Neosat and other IKS receivers to have similar work arounds available in the near future.
I am told this was accomplished by Nfusion using a subscribed Bev Smart card in one of their servers, which than lends the encryption code to any Nfusion connected to that server. Let me stress, this is not a hack, this is a very simple work around, which I believe will have bev on it's toes scrambling to patch without any decent recourse for the next few days. In essence, they will have to find out which exact Nagra 3 smart card is being used in order to patch this hole in their system. They will need the exact number of that card. Whether that is obtainable through connection to the Nfusion server, by Bev, is unknown at this time. If it is, do not expect this to last very long. If they are unable to find out the smart card number, they will have to determine, which of the thousands deployed right now it is, and specifically shut down that card through the stream.
This is good news. As most of us know, Nagravision 2 was not fully hacked until the final days of the scaling back of Nagravision 1. First we saw carded hacks for the weak Rom101, than emulation hacks for DVB cards and hours after, hacks for all makes of FTA Receivers. I will stress again, this is not a hack, but a step in the right direction, which can better help the coders understand the workings of Nagravision 3. We will not need a real hack anytime soon, so to see this so early is promising. It will be interesting to watch how long it takes Bev to close this loophole, if they can at all, permanently. It will be much harder for Dish Network to close a loophole like this when they have to pick the card out of the 14 million Nagra 3 cards they will have in deployment by the time they have finished their swapout. Even if they can find the card, they will never be able to permanently patch it if that was their only recourse, as Nfusion will just switch cards, starting the process over again. Dish Network will need to lobby hard to have receivers with Ethernet ports made illegal to import. Even at that, they will not be able to stop dealers from selling Ethernet ports separately from FTA Receivers, as there is nothing illegal about an Ethernet port with a USB adapter. The game only gets more interesting as time goes on!
Here's to Nfusion for taking the first step, and a ballsy one at that |
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New member Username: Tikodogg
Post Number: 6
Registered: Feb-08
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| Posted on Wednesday, July 01, 2009 - 11:39 pm: |
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nice |
Silver Member Username: Mohamad_obama
Terhan,
Iran
Iran
Post Number: 453
Registered: Oct-08
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| Posted on Thursday, July 02, 2009 - 11:14 am: |
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Bad part of this is, by the time football season gets here, they will have knocked the nova's off b3v.
SS says they are going to let the nova's stay up with b3v.............................for now. |
Bronze Member Username: Hannity
MAYBE I CAN ASK TO,
ADM FOR
BAN YOU
Post Number: 74
Registered: May-09
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| Posted on Thursday, July 02, 2009 - 11:40 am: |
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To call this a N3 work around is very misleading.
Plymouth "MAYBE I CAN ASK TO, ADM FOR
BAN YOU" for making stuff up.
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Gold Member Username: Riconissan
Post Number: 1615
Registered: Feb-09
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| Posted on Thursday, July 02, 2009 - 12:09 pm: |
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RUSH
The end is near.
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Silver Member Username: Chumley
Post Number: 403
Registered: Dec-08
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| Posted on Thursday, July 02, 2009 - 12:32 pm: |
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Originally Posted by paramount
Nagravision 3 work around released today!!
From paramount 10/5/08
this is worth a front page mention, and it is good news for the entire satellite community for the years to come. nfusion has released a work around for the Nagravision 3 encryption system in use by b3V for NFL Sunday ticket. as of right now, nfusion users can view NFL sunday ticket while plugged into the internet with their nfusion. expect Neosat and other IKS receivers to have similar work arounds available in the near future.
i am told this was accomplished by nfusion using a subscribed bev smart card in one of their servers, which than lends the encryption code to any nfusion connected to that server. let me stress, this is not a hack, this is a very simple work around, which i believe will have bev on it's toes scrambling to patch without any decent recourse for the next few days. in essence, they will have to find out which exact Nagra 3 smart card is being used in order to patch this hole in their system. they will need the exact number of that card. whether that is obtainable through connection to the nfusion server, by B3V, is unknown at this time. if it is, do not expect this to last very long. if they are unable to find out the smart card number, they will have to determine, which of the thousands deployed right now it is, and specifically shut down that card through the stream.
this is good news. as most of us know, Nagravision 2 was not fully hacked until the final days of the scaling back of Nagravision 1. first we saw carded hacks for the weak rom101, than emulation hacks for DVB cards and hours after, hacks for all makes of FTA receivers. i will stress again, this is not a hack, but a step in the right direction, which can better help the coders understand the workings of Nagravision 3. we will not need a real hack anytime soon, so to see this so early is promising. it will be interesting to watch how long it takes bev to close this loophole, if they can at all, permanently. it will be much harder for dish network to close a loophole like this when they have to pick the card out of the 14 million Nagra 3 cards they will have in deployment by the time they have finished their swapout. even if they can find the card, they will never be able to permanently patch it if that was their only recourse, as nfusion will just switch cards, starting the process over again. dish network will need to lobby hard to have receivers with ethernet ports made illegal to import. even at that, they will not be able to stop dealers from selling ethernet ports separately from fta receivers, as there is nothing illegal about an ethernet port with a USB adapter. the game only gets more interesting as time goes on!
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Platinum Member Username: Nydas
Post Number: 15484
Registered: Jun-06
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| Posted on Thursday, July 02, 2009 - 12:40 pm: |
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Good info, Plymouth |
Silver Member Username: Chumley
Post Number: 404
Registered: Dec-08
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| Posted on Thursday, July 02, 2009 - 01:02 pm: |
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Nalin, isn't it time for your annual vaginoplasty ?
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Bronze Member Username: Blue_monday
Post Number: 31
Registered: Aug-08
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| Posted on Thursday, July 02, 2009 - 02:01 pm: |
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Plymouth
Gold Member
Username: Plymouth
C/P from reliable source.
Thread: NFL Sunday Ticket:Nagravision 3 Work Around Released Today!!
Plymouth I would say it's time to change your
reliable source. Maybe Chumley will help you to find a new source.
From paramount 10/5/08
From Plymouth July 01, 2009
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Bronze Member Username: Last_supper
Nazerith ,
Isreal
Post Number: 52
Registered: May-09
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| Posted on Thursday, July 02, 2009 - 02:20 pm: |
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Fine reporting Plymouth even though it is over 8 months old. |
Platinum Member Username: Nydas
Post Number: 15488
Registered: Jun-06
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| Posted on Thursday, July 02, 2009 - 02:38 pm: |
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Chumley: Your surgeon cheated you if he calls you for an "annual vaginoplasty". When you go to San Francisco you are going only for an annual check up.
I no longer work there, so I don't know if they have changed the check-up rules. Anyway, I was only working there as a substitute and got so fed up with the likes of you that I refused even to substitute.
Best of luck at your next visit for vaginoplasty or check-up. |
Bronze Member Username: Opie
DEEP SOUTH
Post Number: 89
Registered: Dec-07
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| Posted on Thursday, July 02, 2009 - 02:52 pm: |
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You can get the bev sunday ticket channels now with a pansat pointed at bev! Those channels only become encrypted on gameday sunday! |
Gold Member Username: Plymouth
Canada
Post Number: 9999
Registered: Jan-08
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| Posted on Thursday, July 02, 2009 - 03:33 pm: |
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Cumley, The Sahadow and Jesus.
My source is the same which give me all bins for all receivers, before all your sh1t sites.
This is a very good source, maybe he just C/P from a site and the date was not there.
Sorry if the info is not to date, I just advertise him and I don't see any problem with.
Thanks for your correction.
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Silver Member Username: Chumley
Post Number: 405
Registered: Dec-08
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| Posted on Thursday, July 02, 2009 - 03:43 pm: |
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Playmouth your source is sh!t , keep its C/P's to yourself. Nobody needs more rumors. |
Platinum Member Username: Nydas
Post Number: 15493
Registered: Jun-06
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| Posted on Thursday, July 02, 2009 - 03:49 pm: |
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Chumley: You keep your counsel to yourself. Plymouth is an excellent helper, and YOU will keep peace. |
Gold Member Username: Riconissan
Post Number: 1616
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| Posted on Thursday, July 02, 2009 - 03:52 pm: |
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Silver Member Username: Chumley
Post Number: 406
Registered: Dec-08
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| Posted on Thursday, July 02, 2009 - 04:01 pm: |
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Plymouth is an idiot postwhore,
http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/2/577235.html
did she answer the question here or just another post from the wh0re
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Silver Member Username: Picanha
East LA
Post Number: 539
Registered: Jun-08
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| Posted on Thursday, July 02, 2009 - 04:03 pm: |
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Gold Member Username: Riconissan
Post Number: 1617
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| Posted on Thursday, July 02, 2009 - 04:07 pm: |
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Why didn't you answer it? |
Gold Member Username: Riconissan
Post Number: 1618
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| Posted on Thursday, July 02, 2009 - 04:12 pm: |
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Silver Member Username: Chumley
Post Number: 407
Registered: Dec-08
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| Posted on Thursday, July 02, 2009 - 04:34 pm: |
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Rico as you can see I didn't post in that thread ...and if I did I would have given a direct answer...unlike everyone's favorite fool ,playmouth
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Bronze Member Username: Blue_monday
Post Number: 32
Registered: Aug-08
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| Posted on Thursday, July 02, 2009 - 05:35 pm: |
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Chumley,
don't be so hard on Plymouth
he will be all right as soon as he hit the 10,000 Post
Trust me on this one |
Gold Member Username: Plymouth
Canada
Post Number: 10000
Registered: Jan-08
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| Posted on Thursday, July 02, 2009 - 05:40 pm: |
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Cumley
You are a idiot troublemaker, impolite and ...
You know nothing at all Mr. Perfect the jalous.
Many time you had post false and bogus info, but you are perfect, a perfect idiot.
My answer on this thread is good, Viewsat and Captiveworks work on Telefonica, now I test a Solaris and I can say yes Telefonica work on NFusion.
Sonicview is again a sh1t on IKS whit many freeze.
And no NFusion don't freeze for me and work very well, now I will talk about NFusion because I buy one today.
Like a good tester, I will help members again on Viewsat ,Captiveworks and NFusion.
Poor idiot!
Now you win my 10,000 posts. |
Platinum Member Username: Nydas
Post Number: 15495
Registered: Jun-06
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| Posted on Thursday, July 02, 2009 - 05:50 pm: |
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Chumley is a sly manipulative person. She has posted in many names and continues to do so.
I would have thought that by now many people know her and she would have withdrawn her unwanted posting in the forum, but not so with the stubborn Chumley, who tries to be comely and is quite an ugly personality. |
Platinum Member Username: Plymouth
Canada
Post Number: 10003
Registered: Jan-08
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| Posted on Thursday, July 02, 2009 - 05:53 pm: |
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Nalin
Look how Cumley post bogus info:
http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/2/577833.html
Mr. Perfect look like a idiot. |
Silver Member Username: Chumley
Post Number: 412
Registered: Dec-08
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| Posted on Thursday, July 02, 2009 - 06:03 pm: |
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playmouth IT was only the other day you said telefonica for south america only...what happened ..you founded it...LOL |
Bronze Member Username: Blue_monday
Post Number: 33
Registered: Aug-08
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| Posted on Thursday, July 02, 2009 - 06:12 pm: |
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Nalin & Rico
I don't post much but I do read eCoustics posts
when I have time. I do have a question for you two.
There is no need to answer if you don't want too.
Why do you two seem to pop up on Plymouth's
behalf when another member here corrected
him? What is the connection here? Do you all hang out at the same bar? |
Platinum Member Username: Plymouth
Canada
Post Number: 10006
Registered: Jan-08
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| Posted on Thursday, July 02, 2009 - 06:26 pm: |
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Yes
We drink same beer!
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Gold Member Username: Riconissan
Post Number: 1621
Registered: Feb-09
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| Posted on Thursday, July 02, 2009 - 09:34 pm: |
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The Shadow
I defend Nalin and Plymouth because they always take the time to answer my questions. They will answer correctly. Very few times have they made mistakes in their answers and that is usually because of translation.
The F@ggots who bash them may know a thing or two about FTA. The problem is that they will Stop helping as soon as they see a statement by Nalin or Plymouth so that they can be a disruption to this forum.
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New member Username: Gaijin
Gainesville,
FL
USA
Post Number: 1
Registered: Jul-09
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| Posted on Friday, July 03, 2009 - 08:47 am: |
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This is my first post but I have some issues with the information the original poster has c/p'd.
This is nothing new; it is simple IKS and since a simple quad core computer could scan through the stolen key of in relation to all the valid keys, DN will very rapidly be able to disable the stolen key and card.
The other issue I have is that the OP claims that Telefonica works in his tests. Telefonica will work for most EVERYONE with most any FTA box because Telefonica still uses Nagra2 and has not made the switch to N3.
In the forum I normally patronize we have come to the conclusion that IKS is very dangerous and should be avoided. IKS is a transceiver based service.
This means your set top box CONSTANTLY calls home for stolen keys; keys that can be proven to be stolen in a Federal court if DN decides to get hard core and subpoena your ISP. Downloading a BIN doesn't make you a criminal because it has to be proven that you own hardware that is capable of using the BIN software files. This is legally nigh impossible to do
Proving that you are stealing DN with IKS is incredibly easy because YOUR HARDWARE is narc'ing you out with every autoroll when it calls home. It's like having a heroin addict call his dealer for home delivery with an exact address every 20 minutes...think about it.
In Summary:
IKS, if the s*** hits the fan, will get a lot of people in serious trouble since the technology is based on outright theft and should be avoid and Telefonica is still on N2 so it's not amazing that the OP has equipment that works on 4 year old encryption.
I find everything I have read from the OP to be highly suspect and , frankly, ill informed. |
Platinum Member Username: Nydas
Post Number: 15510
Registered: Jun-06
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| Posted on Friday, July 03, 2009 - 09:40 am: |
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John: That was a very thought provoking statement. I have several issue with it.
1. "box CONSTANTLY calls home for stolen keys". That is your presumption that the box is calling for stolen keys, because the delivered item is not a key but the result of a computation, which varies each time a call is made for "stolen keys" surely no court is going to beleive that new keys are delivered every fraction of a second.
2. Strictly speaking there is no deliberate call being made to "home". A UDP reception is made of what is in the stream (which are not really keys) and the receiver decides what information to pick up - just as your computer decides to pick up something off the Internet stream because it is meant for you.
3. I think it is easy to prove in court that the hardware somebody owns is capable of doing things, but if you are not stealing any programming and not stealing any keys, then it is not stealing. |
Gold Member Username: Riconissan
Post Number: 1625
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| Posted on Friday, July 03, 2009 - 09:55 am: |
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I see the problem with IKS being that your provider may block access to the server at any time. This has been done in the past with offshore gambling sites. |
Platinum Member Username: Plymouth
Canada
Post Number: 10022
Registered: Jan-08
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| Posted on Friday, July 03, 2009 - 10:09 am: |
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Rico
Mine work very well without any freezing.
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Gold Member Username: Riconissan
Post Number: 1627
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| Posted on Friday, July 03, 2009 - 10:15 am: |
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Plymouth
That is great.
I mean to say that an internet provider like TimeWarner could be paid by DN to disallow access to the servers used by Nfusion, Kbox, SV. |
Platinum Member Username: Nydas
Post Number: 15515
Registered: Jun-06
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| Posted on Friday, July 03, 2009 - 10:23 am: |
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"access to the servers used by Nfusion, Kbox, SV."
With virtualization servers, and multiple servers there is no way anybody can shut down Nfusion, Kbox, or SV. I think they are here to stay, and eventually most others will go the same route.
The only way these servers will shut down, would be if and when they get too overloaded. |
Platinum Member Username: Plymouth
Canada
Post Number: 10025
Registered: Jan-08
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| Posted on Friday, July 03, 2009 - 10:25 am: |
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Rico
I changed my internet provider since 1 and a half month now for it.
My friend buy a Solaris which I tested and I had like it and buy one for me .
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Platinum Member Username: Plymouth
Canada
Post Number: 10026
Registered: Jan-08
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| Posted on Friday, July 03, 2009 - 10:27 am: |
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Nalin
I got a real 6.2 Mbites connection which is very stable, this is why it work great for me.
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