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Bronze Member Username: Halo
Toronto,
Ontario
Canada
Post Number: 73 Registered: Oct-07
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| Posted on Wednesday, November 07, 2007 - 04:52 pm: |
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New dish keys at www.dish-keys.blogspot.com |
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Relevant Product Info
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Gold Member Username: Nydas
Post Number: 4591 Registered: Jun-06
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| Posted on Wednesday, November 07, 2007 - 05:51 pm: |
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helen : This thread had reached over 13000 posts before it was closed for its size and Pannu has started a new thread in continuation. We try to remain straight forward. but do answer many related questions and do try to keep mischief mongers out. Some people started out with questions and have become experts giving answers. You are welcome to use this thread in any context relevant to your needs and abilities |
   
Bronze Member Username: Sokol
Post Number: 28 Registered: May-06
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| Posted on Wednesday, November 07, 2007 - 07:31 pm: |
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Nalin, Since the first thread was already closed i am not sure where i can get my answer and i know that you have answer for everything. I have Pansat 2700A original, and i was wondering what is the latest bin for this model? I need to be able to watch channels on Globecast and BEV. Currently i am at Bin 208 where BEV works fine only if I place the keys manually but Globecast is not working with the latest keys. Many thanks in advance. Sokol |
   
Bronze Member Username: Ather_da_don
Mississauaga,
Ontario
Canada
Post Number: 43 Registered: Oct-07
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| Posted on Wednesday, November 07, 2007 - 07:33 pm: |
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New dish keys at www.dishkeyz.blogspot.com |
   
Bronze Member Username: Anelie2006
Saint luuu,
Mo
Us
Post Number: 21 Registered: Mar-07
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| Posted on Wednesday, November 07, 2007 - 08:06 pm: |
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keys? plzzz |
   
Gold Member Username: Nydas
Post Number: 4600 Registered: Jun-06
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| Posted on Wednesday, November 07, 2007 - 08:06 pm: |
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sokol: You seem to have genuine Pansat 2700. Doubly check the BIN version and make sure there is not Tivo or a Vortex BIN. Go to future-fta.info site and confirm the names of BINs. Your latest BIN would be 220 to up loaded using 27.02 loader. You can use the Tivo and vortex Bins using their versions of loaders. However, in the future you will be stuck to using the clonesafe BINs which usually take 2-3 days to come out. |
   
Bronze Member Username: Anelie2006
Saint luuu,
Mo
Us
Post Number: 22 Registered: Mar-07
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| Posted on Wednesday, November 07, 2007 - 08:07 pm: |
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Bronze Member Username: Dj_asya
Montreal,
Qubec
Canada
Post Number: 30 Registered: May-06
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| Posted on Wednesday, November 07, 2007 - 08:08 pm: |
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does any one know why zee sports not working and how to fix when i go to the channel its says something like WAIT FOR KEY ROLL but at the same time the others chanels are working fine ihave pansat 2500 convert 2700 SYSTEME INFORMATION CLONE SAFE:75-22OT_EUBX BOOT VERSION:75 02.NOV.2007 TAHANKS IN ADVANCE BYE |
   
Silver Member Username: Pannu16
Post Number: 468 Registered: May-06
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| Posted on Wednesday, November 07, 2007 - 08:54 pm: |
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Looks like TP change, let me do some testing guys!! |
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New member Username: Dnkeys0001
Post Number: 4 Registered: Oct-07
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| Posted on Wednesday, November 07, 2007 - 09:02 pm: |
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ZEE SPORTS not working. Any solution? Thank you in Advance. |
   
Gold Member Username: Nydas
Post Number: 4602 Registered: Jun-06
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| Posted on Wednesday, November 07, 2007 - 09:07 pm: |
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This TP (Zeetv,Zcine and B4U) has been a problem for awhile. Sometimes it refuses to come in even on a Blind scan. For Pansat 2500 to 2700 conversion, I have describe what to do in detail. http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/2/400516.html |
   
Silver Member Username: Pannu16
Post Number: 469 Registered: May-06
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| Posted on Wednesday, November 07, 2007 - 09:12 pm: |
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yo nalin, zee sports america which is on tp 12384 is not workin!! i tried blind scan just to check if there was tp change but there is no tp change. so any word on that!! |
   
New member Username: Ncroldan
Post Number: 7 Registered: Feb-07
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| Posted on Wednesday, November 07, 2007 - 09:16 pm: |
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Nag2 keys Dishnet Provider ID 0101 Key 00 Updated EST 11:30 PM 11/06/2007 55 51 2A A2 BE F8 FC FC 7D 80 64 6A 31 42 43 EC (ACTIVE) Dishnet Provider ID 0101 Key 01 Updated EST 09:01 PM 11/06/2007 DE 72 44 D7 DD 43 78 0C 87 FA 62 90 4F 03 11 F5 Dishnet Provider ID 0106 Key 00 Updated CST 3:00 PM 10/22/2007 D6 9E 74 4D 0A CB ED 62 42 C6 A5 C1 AF AC BE 38 Dishnet Provider ID 0106 Key 01 Updated CST 3:00 PM 10/22/2007 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Bev Provider ID 0901 Key 00 Updated EST 3:21 PM 11/07/2007 0F 4D 5A 74 8F 4C 62 F6 C9 FC A4 61 84 5D 50 68 (ACTIVE) Bev Provider ID 0901 Key 01 Updated CST 3:32 PM 11/06/2007 F0 83 11 C6 D3 5B F7 89 34 C4 C3 4E 3A 7A EF 65 Bev Provider ID 0907 Key 00 Updated CST 12:01 AM 10/30/2007 89 E0 33 90 CD BA DA D0 3E 04 C6 B4 59 A7 84 7B Bev Provider ID 0907 Key 01 Updated CST 12:05 AM 10/29/2007 60 B8 E2 A1 25 9F 09 6F FB 9B 30 FF 61 95 EE 65 Globecast Provider ID C101 Key 00 Updated CST 11:54 PM 10/29/2007 859A02EC13CFF2AFFD84D0169C246FA9 Globecast Provider ID C101 Key 01 Updated CST 11:54 PM 10/29/2007 0F 2B 8A 31 84 D7 2D 2B 40 FF 5E 0B B7 DB 0D 4A BEV Provider ID 0905 Key 00 Updated CST 6:04 PM 9/13/2007 B7 2F 03 35 70 4A CD B0 6D 43 33 59 92 E2 1D F3 BEV Provider ID 0905 Key 01 Updated CST 6:04 PM 9/13/2007 D5 51 BA FE 58 50 BE 61 A4 BD 09 F3 54 4F C5 FC BEV Provider ID 0906 Key 00 Updated CST 6:04 PM 9/13/2007 8D 1A 1C F4 2C B9 7F 85 38 65 D6 7A 5D 59 5D 88 BEV Provider ID 0906 Key 01 Updated CST 6:04 PM 9/13/2007 11 FE 27 1D 89 9E D3 B4 DB 8E CB C8 10 D3 E7 F7 |
   
New member Username: Dnkeys0001
Post Number: 5 Registered: Oct-07
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| Posted on Wednesday, November 07, 2007 - 09:23 pm: |
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hi Nalin,Pannu... Any luck with zee sports. don't wanna miss cricket..Thx |
   
Silver Member Username: Pannu16
Post Number: 473 Registered: May-06
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| Posted on Wednesday, November 07, 2007 - 10:32 pm: |
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Nothin yet on zee sports guys!! This is ugly!! I got crkt1 703 on BEV but lots of ppl dont have it gotta get this workin!! Tried all shiit dont know wat to try now!! Nalin wake up yo!! If someone has pad dn check whether legal customers are gettin it or not!! |
   
New member Username: Dnkeys0001
Post Number: 6 Registered: Oct-07
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| Posted on Wednesday, November 07, 2007 - 10:38 pm: |
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thx pannu for efforts..appreciated. |
   
Bronze Member Username: Dragunov
Post Number: 11 Registered: Oct-06
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| Posted on Wednesday, November 07, 2007 - 10:41 pm: |
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New Dishnet keys?: 96/01: 65 84 B6 99 98 C7 84 87 D6 A1 D1 45 73 E1 F6 D0 Drag. |
   
Gold Member Username: Nydas
Post Number: 4604 Registered: Jun-06
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| Posted on Wednesday, November 07, 2007 - 10:49 pm: |
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Pannu and others. When I had jvvh_UKR_219, I discovered that the presence of so many TPs in the NIMIQ 91 line, somehow caused the scan to skip the ZeeTV TP in a Blind scan. so I tried removing all TPs except the first one and the Blind scan(Power Scanin Chancy 220 BIN) worked!. Right now ZeeSa (576) is not working -saying "Waiting for key roll" on the Chancy 220 BIN for conversions. |
   
Bronze Member Username: Sokol
Post Number: 30 Registered: May-06
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| Posted on Wednesday, November 07, 2007 - 10:57 pm: |
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Nalin, Thanks for the quick responce. Sokol |
   
New member Username: Dnkeys0001
Post Number: 7 Registered: Oct-07
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| Posted on Wednesday, November 07, 2007 - 11:03 pm: |
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Thx Nalin. u guys are great. |
   
Silver Member Username: Pannu16
Post Number: 475 Registered: May-06
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| Posted on Wednesday, November 07, 2007 - 11:26 pm: |
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Yeah i am more concerned bout ZEESA coz its not working for anybody!! What cud it be!! They know india pak is on so thats the reason they blacked it out!! |
   
Platinum Member Username: Lklives
Post Number: 13456 Registered: Jan-06
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| Posted on Thursday, November 08, 2007 - 12:08 am: |
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*11/7/2007* *==Internationals with Satellite 121°==* 704 - KBS moved from EchoStar9 121W TP 15 ConUS beam to EchoStar9 121W TP 13 ConUS beam 711 - ISRLI moved from EchoStar9 121W TP 05 ConUS beam to EchoStar9 121W TP 13 ConUS beam 712 - MABHY removed from EchoStar9 121W TP 05 ConUS beam 724 - GKINO removed from EchoStar9 121W TP 13 ConUS beam 725 - DWTV removed from EchoStar9 121W TP 13 ConUS beam 726 - PRSBN removed from EchoStar9 121W TP 13 ConUS beam 730 - LEOWD moved from EchoStar9 121W TP 26 ConUS beam to EchoStar9 121W TP 13 ConUS beam 755 - ARTSP (ART Sports) [MPEG2 SD] added to Anik F3 118.7W TP 24 ConUS beam NA to Arabic Subscribers 755 - ARTSP (ART Sports) [MPEG2 SD] added to EchoStar3 61.5W TP 12 ConUS beam NA to Arabic Subscribers 777 - HKYAT [MPEG2 SD] added to Anik F3 118.7W TP 24 ConUS beam NA to Arabic Subscribers 777 - HKYAT [MPEG2 SD] added to EchoStar3 61.5W TP 31 ConUS beam NA to Arabic Subscribers 799 - GEMNI removed from EchoStar9 121W TP 13 ConUS beam 802 - TEJA removed from EchoStar9 121W TP 06 ConUS beam 804 - NTV removed from EchoStar9 121W TP 10 ConUS beam 806 - CHNLI removed from EchoStar9 121W TP 13 ConUS beam 807 - APUNJ moved from EchoStar9 121W TP 25 ConUS beam to EchoStar9 121W TP 13 ConUS beam 809 - ZGUJ moved from EchoStar9 121W TP 25 ConUS beam to EchoStar9 121W TP 13 ConUS beam 818 - ATN Bangla removed from EchoStar9 121W TP 15 ConUS beam ==Here we go again! Satellite 121° in the 5000 range== 5721 - LEOWD [MPEG2 SD] added to EchoStar9 121W TP 26 ConUS beam 5722 - ZGUJ [MPEG2 SD] added to EchoStar9 121W TP 25 ConUS beam 5723 - APUNJ [MPEG2 SD] added to EchoStar9 121W TP 25 ConUS beam 5724 - KBS [MPEG2 SD] added to EchoStar9 121W TP 15 ConUS beam 5725 - ISRLI [MPEG2 SD] added to EchoStar9 121W TP 05 ConUS beam *==Arizona Locals==* 8950 - KGUN moved from EchoStar7 119W TP 07 to EchoStar7 119W TP 05 8951 - KOLD moved from EchoStar7 119W TP 07 to EchoStar7 119W TP 05 8952 - KVOA moved from EchoStar7 119W TP 07 to EchoStar7 119W TP 05 8953 - KMSB moved from EchoStar7 119W TP 07 to EchoStar7 119W TP 05 8954 - KWBA moved from EchoStar7 119W TP 07 to EchoStar7 119W TP 05 8955 - KTTU moved from EchoStar7 119W TP 07 to EchoStar7 119W TP 05 8956 - KUAT moved from EchoStar7 119W TP 07 to EchoStar7 119W TP 05 8957 - KUVE moved from EchoStar7 119W TP 07 to EchoStar7 119W TP 05 8958 - KHRR moved from EchoStar7 119W TP 07 to EchoStar7 119W TP 05 *==NHL Center Ice==* 541 - NHL [MPEG2 SD] added to EchoStar8 110W TP 24 ConUS beam 9541(541) - NHLHD [MPEG4 HD] added to EchoStar5 129W TP 08 ConUS beam 9541(541) - NHLHD [MPEG4 HD] added to EchoStar3 61.5W TP 30 ConUS beam |
   
New member Username: Badxboy23
Post Number: 6 Registered: Feb-07
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| Posted on Thursday, November 08, 2007 - 12:18 am: |
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how come the zee sports is not working ?does any one know how to fix it ? |
   
Silver Member Username: Pannu16
Post Number: 476 Registered: May-06
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| Posted on Thursday, November 08, 2007 - 01:09 am: |
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no fix yet!! |
   
New member Username: Ganjaa007
Post Number: 8 Registered: Nov-06
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| Posted on Thursday, November 08, 2007 - 01:26 am: |
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wat time is the match anyways |
   
New member Username: Badxboy23
Post Number: 9 Registered: Feb-07
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| Posted on Thursday, November 08, 2007 - 04:31 am: |
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Any website for live match? |
   
Bronze Member Username: Tausif
Post Number: 52 Registered: Jul-07
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| Posted on Thursday, November 08, 2007 - 04:42 am: |
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live cricket commentary: http://www.cricinfo.com |
   
New member Username: Badxboy23
Post Number: 10 Registered: Feb-07
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| Posted on Thursday, November 08, 2007 - 04:54 am: |
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thanks |
   
Bronze Member Username: Agf
Post Number: 15 Registered: Aug-06
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| Posted on Thursday, November 08, 2007 - 08:06 am: |
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Here is how you can watch Live circket on the Computer Download SopCast from the site below http://www.softpedia.com/progDownload/SopCast-Download-24855.html After you install SopCast then click on this site to watch live cricket http://nurul5.blogspot.com/2007/11/watch-live-cricket-pakistan-tour-of.html Enjoy |
   
Silver Member Username: Dr_dss
Post Number: 291 Registered: Sep-07
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| Posted on Thursday, November 08, 2007 - 08:43 am: |
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----------0101 00----------- Charlie (C.S.T.) - 11:25 PM 11/6/2007 55512AA2BEF8FCFC7D80646A314243EC ----------0101 01----------- Charlie (C.S.T.) - 8:23 PM 11/6/2007 DE7244D7DD43780C87FA62904F0311F5 ----------0106 00----------- Charlie (C.S.T.) - 3:00 PM 10/22/2007 D69E744D0ACBED6242C6A5C1AFACBE38 ----------0106 01----------- Charlie (C.S.T.) - 3:00 PM 10/22/2007 00000000000000000000000000000000 ----------0901 00----------- Beverly (C.S.T.) - 11:13 AM 11/7/2007 0F4D5A748F4C62F6C9FCA461845D5068 ----------0901 01----------- Beverly (C.S.T.) - 9:37 AM 11/6/2007 F08311C6D35BF78934C4C34E3A7AEF65 ----------0907 00----------- Beverly (C.S.T.) - 12:01 AM 10/30/2007 89E03390CDBADAD03E04C6B459A7847B ----------0907 01----------- Beverly (C.S.T.) - 11:29 AM 11/2/2007 60B8E2A1259F096FFB9B30FF6195EE65 ----------0905 00----------- Beverly (C.S.T.) - 6:04 PM 9/13/2007 B72F0335704ACDB06D43335992E21DF3 ----------0905 01----------- Beverly (C.S.T.) - 6:04 PM 9/13/2007 D551BAFE5850BE61A4BD09F3544FC5FC ----------0906 00----------- Beverly (C.S.T.) - 6:04 PM 9/13/2007 8D1A1CF42CB97F853865D67A5D595D88 ----------0906 01----------- Beverly (C.S.T.) - 6:04 PM 9/13/2007 11FE271D899ED3B4DB8ECBC810D3E7F7 ----------C101 00----------- Gloria (C.S.T.) - 11:54 PM 10/29/2007 859A02EC13CFF2AFFD84D0169C246FA9 ----------C101 01----------- Gloria (C.S.T.) - 11:54 PM 10/29/2007 0F2B8A3184D72D2B40FF5E0BB7DB0D4A |
   
Gold Member Username: Nydas
Post Number: 4607 Registered: Jun-06
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| Posted on Thursday, November 08, 2007 - 09:39 am: |
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DN Main ID- 0101 {Last update: Wed. Nov 7} Key 00 (86): 55 51 2A A2 BE F8 FC FC 7D 80 64 6A 31 42 43 EC Key 01 (96): DE 72 44 D7 DD 43 78 0C 87 FA 62 90 4F 03 11 F5 DN New ID - 0106 {Last update: Wed. Nov 7, 6:09 PM EST } Key 00 (86): D6 9E 74 4D 0A CB ED 62 42 C6 A5 C1 AF AC BE 38 Key 01 (96): 65 84 B6 99 98 C7 84 87 D6 A1 D1 45 73 E1 F6 D0 Dish Network New PID - 0106 [Last update: Wed. Nov 7, 5:09 PM CST] BEV Main ID- 0901 {Last update: Wed. Nov 7, } Key 00 (86): 0F 4D 5A 74 8F 4C 62 F6 C9 FC A4 61 84 5D 50 68 Key 01 (96): F0 83 11 C6 D3 5B F7 89 34 C4 C3 4E 3A 7A EF 65 BEV New ID - 0907 {Last update: Tue. Oct 30} Key 00 (86): 89 E0 33 90 CD BA DA D0 3E 04 C6 B4 59 A7 84 7B Key 01 (96): 60 B8 E2 A1 25 9F 09 6F FB 9B 30 FF 61 95 EE 65 Globecast: ID - C101 {Last update: Sat. Oct 13 } Key 00 (86): 85 9A 02 EC 13 CF F2 AF FD 84 D0 16 9C 24 6F A9 Key 01 (96): 0F 2B 8A 31 84 D7 2D 2B 40 FF 5E 0B B7 DB 0D 4A |
   
Gold Member Username: Nydas
Post Number: 4608 Registered: Jun-06
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| Posted on Thursday, November 08, 2007 - 09:44 am: |
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ZeeSA: It is no mystery now. The rest of the channels on TP 12383(H) are working (ZGuj, Samay, HT etc.) See keys above,and you will see that there is new Key 01 for the new DN ID 0106. Some of the new BINs do NOT have a place to enter these and some have. Because of its importance today, it has been given the honour of 0106 special ID. |
   
Silver Member Username: Jpz
MTL,
QC
CAnada
Post Number: 262 Registered: Jun-06
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| Posted on Thursday, November 08, 2007 - 12:40 pm: |
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Hi to all |
   
Bronze Member Username: Jigga19
Post Number: 83 Registered: Feb-07
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| Posted on Thursday, November 08, 2007 - 02:40 pm: |
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does anyone know why are some channel not working..in particular zeesports..im sorry if i missed the info in above posts |
   
Silver Member Username: Satgrl
Post Number: 392 Registered: Oct-07
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| Posted on Thursday, November 08, 2007 - 03:03 pm: |
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NALIN can u please let us know for the people who (with the newest bin) do not see the PID 0106 what they should do...because some people just input dish keys 0101...but now that the zee sports is not working for some what they should do;......anybody |
   
Bronze Member Username: Jigga19
Post Number: 85 Registered: Feb-07
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| Posted on Thursday, November 08, 2007 - 03:33 pm: |
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nalin if you can help with this one...ok these posts are so confusing. i have pansat converted to 2700 i was currently runnin jvvh 218 bin.. now you guys are talking about 2 new bins. i down loaded jvvh_jeep_220 t and the two bins by chancy jtag and regular.. i just want to know which one is the one that works for all the channels.. specially zeesports.. can someone hlep. |
   
Gold Member Username: Nydas
Post Number: 4617 Registered: Jun-06
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| Posted on Thursday, November 08, 2007 - 03:54 pm: |
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For the 2500-2700conversion, the latest are: jvvh_UKR_220.bin jvvh_jeep_220.bin CS_220T_Lightning_100t_Series_serial.bin Black Tyger 03.Bin To the best of my knowledge, none of them give the DN ID option of 01 06 or a way of updating ID 0108 manually. That is where the key 01 changed yesterday. |
   
Bronze Member Username: Ariza700
Markham,
On
Canada
Post Number: 13 Registered: Feb-06
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| Posted on Thursday, November 08, 2007 - 03:57 pm: |
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Nalin, Can you tell me how to differentiate b/w clone & a real ViewSat Ultra 2000 ? Few weeks ago you gave me advise to buy this recevier but buy a real one not clone. Thx |
   
Bronze Member Username: Jigga19
Post Number: 87 Registered: Feb-07
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| Posted on Thursday, November 08, 2007 - 03:57 pm: |
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i know th files nalin i dont know which ones the best to download.. also i believe u downloaded cs_220t does that one show the channel zeesa?? and thankyou for the reply. |
   
Gold Member Username: Nydas
Post Number: 4619 Registered: Jun-06
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| Posted on Thursday, November 08, 2007 - 04:08 pm: |
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Ariza 700 : Buy viewsat ultra from an authorized dealer. Do a google on "viewsat authorized dealer" to find one. There is still very limited, if any, support for Viewsat clones. So you MUST be careful. There are threads at various forums to distinguish, but I would not buy a use Viewsat ultra, unless it is showing all channels today, and not buy a new Viewsat ultra unless you are 110% sure that the dealer is authorized. |
   
Bronze Member Username: Jigga19
Post Number: 89 Registered: Feb-07
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| Posted on Thursday, November 08, 2007 - 04:11 pm: |
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why is it that my reciver which is pansat converted to 2700 doesnot have id 0106.. how do you get the dn id 0106 does anyone know.. Nalin sorry jus answer one more question for me.. thankyou |
   
Bronze Member Username: Indopak
Post Number: 56 Registered: May-06
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| Posted on Thursday, November 08, 2007 - 04:17 pm: |
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ne new dn keys?? |
   
Bronze Member Username: Indopak
Post Number: 57 Registered: May-06
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| Posted on Thursday, November 08, 2007 - 04:23 pm: |
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someone plz tell me the new keys!! cuz mines were working and now they stopped, and the old code is right... soo must be a new key!!! |
   
Silver Member Username: Zunna
Post Number: 137 Registered: Jun-06
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| Posted on Thursday, November 08, 2007 - 04:24 pm: |
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new keys?? |
   
Silver Member Username: Zunna
Post Number: 138 Registered: Jun-06
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| Posted on Thursday, November 08, 2007 - 04:29 pm: |
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anyone??? |
   
Bronze Member Username: Indopak
Post Number: 58 Registered: May-06
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| Posted on Thursday, November 08, 2007 - 04:33 pm: |
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where is everyone!!?? y no new keys yet!! |
   
New member Username: Nevetsinc
Post Number: 2 Registered: Nov-07
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| Posted on Thursday, November 08, 2007 - 04:35 pm: |
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my PPV channels are still not working n e one know why |
   
Silver Member Username: Zunna
Post Number: 139 Registered: Jun-06
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| Posted on Thursday, November 08, 2007 - 04:36 pm: |
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new 86: 9D 41 CC B8 CA 4B 24 41 EE D0 72 37 4D 99 AF B9 96: 7E DE 7C 09 BE AA B1 A9 42 A4 A7 6C 7B A6 67 0B i guess this is the one |
   
Bronze Member Username: Indopak
Post Number: 60 Registered: May-06
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| Posted on Thursday, November 08, 2007 - 04:39 pm: |
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61.5 channels all gone, 119 working |
   
Silver Member Username: Zunna
Post Number: 140 Registered: Jun-06
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| Posted on Thursday, November 08, 2007 - 04:40 pm: |
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noo tht doesnt work...anyone have new keys?? |
   
Bronze Member Username: Kimykim1
Toronto
Post Number: 14 Registered: Oct-07
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| Posted on Thursday, November 08, 2007 - 04:42 pm: |
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is it because of snow  |
   
Bronze Member Username: Leafs
Post Number: 40 Registered: Oct-07
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| Posted on Thursday, November 08, 2007 - 04:45 pm: |
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www.ftasolutions.blogspot.com |
   
New member Username: Nevetsinc
Post Number: 3 Registered: Nov-07
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| Posted on Thursday, November 08, 2007 - 04:47 pm: |
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they is no snow |
   
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