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C\P from their own site...I tried to upload the actual Lawsuit Papers that were filed but was not successful...view the complete doc at Dss-newbies.net...
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As many of you know, a civil suit has been filed by Echostar against Viewtech, Inc. This suit should not worry any member of this community, nor should it worry about Viewtech or its products. Echostar is attacking the big guy on the block, that being viewtech. These type suits can take years to evolve into anything, if they even make it that far. Consider this a fishing expedition by Echostar into the halting of FTA receivers.
As information is released by viewtech, inc and or the courts we will keep you informed. Please do remember that Viewtech, Inc is in no way shape or form the owners of this forum, as so many might believe. The actions by echostar against Viewtech, Inc do not have any implications on these forums or the information shared within in.
Remember, if Dick wanted to be a dick and had anything, this would be a criminal case, not a civil case.
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Here is the link...
http://www.fta-newbies.com/forums/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=79262 |
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http://www.curious-contraptions.com/forums/
11. Upon information and belief, Defendant VIEWTECH, INC. ("VIEWTECH") is a California corporation with its principal place of business located at 3830 Oceanic Drive, Suite 409, Oceanside, California 92056. The registered agent for VIEWTECH is Robert Rhine, 3830 Oceanic Drive, Suite 409, Oceanside, California 92056.
12. Upon information and belief, Defendant JUNG KWAK is an individual residing in Oceanside, California.
13. The true names and capacities of Defendants DOES 1 through 10, whether individual, corporate, associate, or otherwise, are masked by monikers used on the Internet and thus unknown to Plaintiff at this time. Plaintiffs believe that information obtained in discovery will lead to the identification of each Defendant's true name.
14. Upon information and belief, each of the Defendants, including DOES 1 through 10, was the agent and/or prinicipal for one another, was acting within the scope of such agency when engaging in the misconduct alleged herein, and is jointly and severally liable for all damages arising as a result thereof.
So, the owner of Viewsat is one of the people being charged. What some may find alarming is that 10 John Does are included also. There is not much to help predict who they will be, but more on this later. It is possible that some of them were included not because there are actually 10 people involved, but because the plaintiffs want to have some wiggle-room in case more people are implicated in this case.
Next, the complaint gives some background information.
33. Upon information and belief, commercial pirates recently changed their approach, by not actually loading the Pirate Software onto the FTA receivers themselves, but distributing the requisite piracy technology and information to select individuals on websites or Internet discussion "forums" who then offer the Pirate Software to consumers for download. These websites or forums are typically sponsored by many of the commercial pirates, who use this venue to advertise and tout their brand of FT A equipment. This approach, which is prevalent today, permits commercial pirates (including the manufacturers and distributors of FTA Receivers) to assert the misleading 'claim that they are distributing only "unprogrammed" or "unflashed" piracy devices to consumers.
34. In some cases, website forums provide and offer: (1) information and/or instruction, including sources of supply, production information, and product reviews; (2) discussion threads on topics of interest to the piracy community, including software "hacks" or "fixes" designed to restore functionality to ECHOSTAR Access Cards that have been disabled by Plaintiffs' countermeasures; (3) security keys for DISH Network Programming, which are necessary to unscramble programming from an FTA receiver; (4) piracy or "flashing" software files for download to their users; and (5) links and advertisements to other piracy websites that sell FTA Receivers, Pirate Software, or other piracy devices, components, and technology used to steal DISH Network Programming.
35. Successful forum sites can have thousands of members, and are often managed by certain users designated by the operating pirate(s) as "administrators" or "moderators." These individuals are typically given the authority to manage the content posted on the forum site. Upon information and belief, the distributors of FTA Receivers provide equipment, updated piracy technology, and information to the administrators or moderators of select forums for distribution.
It is unclear whether the plaintiff will go after forums or if they are simply including this to demonstrate the culpability of the defendant(s). Either way, we here at Curious Contraptions believe that the accusations leveled against so-called piracy websites do not apply to us, for the following reasons.
1. Official site-sanctioned reviews have always been produced using only the firmware or flash that the unit came with or legitimate updates from the manufacturers.
2. We have not allowed the discussion of satellite access cards, and our volunteer staff have made a good faith effort to remove this information when they have come across it and have also banned users posting such information.
3. As with information about pirate uses of access cards, volunteer staff have made a good faith effort to remove security keys as soon as they came across them and have banned users posting such information.
4. Nearly a year ago, we realized that our attachments feature was being used overwhelmingly to post piracy files and as such disabled file attachments on the forums.
5. We refused advertisers that clearly offered piracy devices. All of our direct advertising customers sell Free-to-air receivers and accessories that have the legitimate use for the watching ethnic programming and other niche content. In addition, our advertising revenue comes in largely through Google Adsense, and the ads delivered through Googles platform are already subject to Googles discretion and as such we are not responsible for their content.
Furthermore, we take issue with the characterization of administrators and moderators as users who manage the content posted on the forum site. These volunteers are simply trying to keep the site clear of objectionable content but are by no means managing each and every pice of content that is posted by the thousands of users on a daily basis. Instead, they respond to reports of misconduct filed through our Report post system and also remove inappropriate content that they come across when browsing the site.
They go on to argue that:
41. Upon information and belief, discovery will show that Defendants directly, and through others acting in concert, distribute the updated Pirate Software to select website administrators and moderators, who then disseminate this technology to consumers on the Internet. Because Plaintiffs continue to develop technological measures that effectively control access to the copyrighted Programming on the DISH Network satellite platfom, the demand for updated Pirate Software remains constant. As a result, the popularity of pirate websites and discussion forums continues to grow.
42. Defendants' authorized dealers purposefully advertise and promote "Viewsat" branded FTA Receivers on several well-known piracy websites. These websites not only provide consumers with illegal Pirate Software, but offer instruction and information used to unscramble and steal DISH Network Programming.
These segments lead to two interesting observations. First off, it refers to the defendants as separate from select website administrators and moderators. This is relevant because it may imply that the 10 John Does are not comprised of site administrators and moderators. Secondly, it argues that the simple act of advertising is wrong... this does not seem to be a strong argument because usually an advertiser cannot be held responsible for the contents of the sites they advertise on.
Moving on, we get to the really interesting parts:
44. Indeed, it is believed that JUNG KW AK ("KWAK"), the founder and president of VIEWTECH, not only encourages the distribution of Pirate Software, but often communicates with members of the pirate community on this very issue. Upon information and belief, discovery will show that KWAK has been identified on several well-known pirate websites by the alias "Mr. V,""Mr. Viewsat," or "Viewsat." Operating. under these aliases, KWAK has and continues to offer, provide, and traffic in updated Pirate Software, often touting the availability of such technology following the deployment of ECMs by Plaintiffs.
45. Aside from direct communication with consumer pirates, it is believed that discovery will show Defendants also utilize the services of an individual known in the pirate community as "Robert Ward," "Veracity," "TheDSSGuy," and "TDG" (collectively "Ward") to promote the sale of FT A Receivers and disseminate pirate technology on several websites, including www.hashho.com venue used by Defendants' authorized dealers to advertise "Viewsat" branded FTA Receivers.
46. As an agent for Defendants, Ward acts as a spokesman for "Viewsat" products and provides consumers with updated Pirate Software, information, and instruction necessary to circumvent Plaintiffs' Security System. Defendants are also believed to provide "Viewsat" branded equipment, updated piracy technology, and information to select administrators and/or moderators for distribution on the www.hashho.com website.
Here, they describe the well-known antics of Mr. Viewsat and TDG ... the same antics that drove us to remove them from Curious Contraptions several times in succession. Finally, here comes the part that many people are worrying about:
47. Upon information and belief, discovery will show that Defendants were and are offering to the public, providing, and otherwise trafficking in FT A Receivers, updated Pirate Software, information, and instruction on several other pirate websites, including but not limited to www.totalfta.com, www.fta-newbies.com, and www.curious-contraptions.com. Similar to the marketing hyperlinks found on the www.hashho.com website, Defendants' authorized dealers also advertise the availability of '''Viewsat'' branded FTA receivers on these pirate websites. Defendants are believed to provide such equipment, updated piracy technology, and information to select administrators and/or moderators for distribution on these pirate websites.
The alarming part is that Curious Contraptions is listed as a pirate website here. This is alarming because we have made an effort here at Curious Contraptions to keep our site clean of potentially damaging files and copyrighted information, always reacting when we were made aware of objectionable content. However another part of this section is somewhat calming: it again separates the defendants from the administrators and/or moderators, this time even more clearly since it refers to Defenants authorized dealers. This may indicate that the 10 John Does are in fact other people directly involved with the manufacture, import, marketing, and sales of Viewsat products rather than forum operators or users.
Finally, they cite the alleged violations:
COUNT I: Manufacture of and Traffic in Signal Theft Devices, Components, and Technology in Violation of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, 17 U.S.C. 1201(a)(2) and 1201(b)(1)
While forums are technically target-able through the DMCA, the copyright holder must first attempt to notify the operators of a site of the infringing material. Curious Contraptions provides a Contact Us facility that can be used for such complaints, yet none have ever been received. Furthermore, we do not allow file attachments or keys which contain the copyrighted content of the plaintiff.
COUNT II: Facilitating the Unauthorized Decryption and Reception of Satellite Signals in Violation of the Communications Act, 47 U.S.C. 605(a))
56. Defendants were and are assisting others, namely those purchasing "Viewsat" branded FT A Receivers and downloading the corresponding Pirate Software from websites, to intercept and receive ECHOSTAR's encrypted satellite transmissions without authorization and for their own benefit in violation of 47 U.S.C. 605(a).
57. Defendants were and are assisting, directly or indirectly, with the design, manufacture, development, assembly, modification, solicitation, and/or distribution of "Viewsat" branded FTA Receivers and corresponding Pirate Software with knowledge, or having reason to know, that such devices and technology are used primarily to assist in the unauthorized interception and decryption of direct-to-home satellite services in violation of 47 U.S.C. 605(a).
COUNT III: Manufacture and Sale of Signal Theft Devices and Technology in Violation of the Communications Act, 47 U.S.C. 605(e)(4)
This does not apply to Curious Contraptions as we have never sold or manufactured anything.
COUNT IV: Unauthorized Interception of Electronic Communications in Violation of the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2511(1)(a)
Again, Curious Contraptions has not engaged in wiretapping or interception of communications
COUNT V: Unfair Competition in Violation of California Business & Professions Code 17200
Once again, not applicable to our forum
COUNT VI: Unjust Enrichment
Yet again, not applicable
And what do the plaintiffs want? Most importantly:
WHEREFORE, Plaintiffs ECHOSTAR and NAGRASTAR seek judgment against Defendants as follows:
A. For a grant of permanent injunctive relief restraining and enjoining Defendants, and their employees, agents, representatives, attorneys, and all persons acting or claiming to act on their behalf or under their direction or authority, and all persons acting in concert or in participation with them, from:
(1) offering to the public, providing, or otherwise trafficking in any FTA Receivers, Pirate Software, or any other device, component, or technology, or part thereof,through the www.hashho.com, www.totalfta.com, www.fta-newbies.com, and www.curious-contraptions.com websites, any other Internet website, or in any other way...
(2) assembling, modifying, selling, and/or distributing any FT A Receivers or Pirate Software knowing or having reason to know that such device or software is primarily of assistance in the unauthorized decryption of direct-to-home satellite services through the www.hashho.com, www.totalfta.com, www.fta-newbies.com, and wWw.curious-contraptions.com websites, any other Internet website, or in any other way; and
(3) assisting others in receiving (including assistance offered by providing hypertext links or banner advertising) ECHOSTAR's electronic communications without ECHOSTAR's authorization through the ,www.hashho.com, www.totalfta.com, www.fta-newbies.com , and www.curious-contraptions.com websites, any other Internet website, or in any other way.
More commentary and a link to an OCRed version of the court filings will be posted at a later time.
Date: 7/18/2007 Time: 9:25 PM, CEST (Europe)
I have decided to keep the site offline as I continue investigating this matter. I am also preparing a statement with regards to recent developments in the FTA community and the effects that I expect these developments to have. Please check back in a few hours. Meanwhile, if anyone has any information regarding the unauthorized breakin, please contact me at cruelio@gmail.com |
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| Posted on Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 10:54 pm: |
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Also the fix for gc is there at total.. vs home. |
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| Posted on Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 12:38 am: |
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And you can get Total's perpective on this suit their as well. |
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| Posted on Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 01:09 am: |
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Viewsat is a korean XXX company ; Viewtech is a Usa company who XXX and XXX Fta devices.I am in beaver land , What about you total adds?.. |
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| Posted on Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 01:34 am: |
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You too juan ? 
Heres some more good updates/info ,a must read at satscams.
http://www.satscams.org/forum/showthread.php?t=19517 |
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| Posted on Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 02:32 am: |
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They fail to me. no one provide me whit ethnics channels, ojiwa or hispanic, I want to heard my language and this is not there, Bell doesnot has the channel that I Want, ( Multiculturalism.) do you know that? Canadian Multicultruralism Act July 1988. |
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| Posted on Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 02:54 am: |
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I allways will respect you SatScanner. Where are the rest. Mr bill, Larrea. Eave, Therepo, Audrey, Zulu ,Nalyn,and many more. I know where XXX PPL Are,but many ppl from this site are just vanished.They are just Big Mouth. |
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| Posted on Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 03:21 am: |
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Yeah,biggest news to hit fta in a long time and everybody vanishes.! I was reading up on this suit from various sites to get all the info and different perpectives as possible.
I hear you on the Multicultural act and channels or services,but as we both know that was amended to "appease" Only the Francophones.
Just like everything else in this country it seems.  |
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| Posted on Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 07:41 am: |
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Hey!! I just read about it last nite. The first link I read showed this suit goes back to 2005 and lost a little interest. Look at this thread later on today and see where it has gone. |
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| Posted on Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 07:51 am: |
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C&P Royce News:
Viewsat in trouble // 2007-07-17
There has been lawsuit filed against Viewtech (the parent company), Jung Kwak (the owner)and Does 1 through 10 by Echostar and the Nagrastar (parent company of Bell and Dishnetwork).
Rumor on the street is that this goes back to August 2006 (Maprom ECM) when Viewsat came up with the fix before any one else, they used Noth American coder to do their fix, sold the fix to others and were on top of the world, by using North American coder they left themselves open.
More recently HashHU bust did not help them either, all this caught up to them and they are in deep trouble now.
There are other individuals who are in big trouble also namely thedssguy and few others who suppose ably left high and dry to fend for themselves. |
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| Posted on Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 07:55 am: |
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I notice Curious Contaptions has been down for the past couple of days??......It would seem to me that one should be cautious where they visit until the dust settles. |
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| Posted on Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 03:03 pm: |
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ooooooooooooo nooooooooooooooooooooooooo waiiiiiii
lol
calm down guys
nothing to be w0rried abot |
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| Posted on Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 04:48 pm: |
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"nothing to be w0rried abot"
Yup, . as long as we have LK
( when this issue came up, .anyone noticed how LK
immediately took off on a mission ? )
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| Posted on Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 05:45 pm: |
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FYI
........he sends word its already been taken care of |
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| Posted on Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 06:45 pm: |
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Viewtech has been served notice by Echostar and Nagrastar..
The following sites have been named in the suit.
www.totalfta.com, www.fta-newbies.com, and www.curious-contraptions.com. www.hashho.com
Also at least a dozen persons have been named and the papers also have named 10 unknown names (they call them DOES)
None of the names are pseudonames used by Ecoustics posters. |
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| Posted on Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 08:43 pm: |
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Mr. Bill
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FYI
........he sends word its already been taken care of
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| Posted on Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 10:01 pm: |
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Just so there is no misunderstanding and because I read a post here about the "Big Name" are nowhere to be found. (Which I hope it didn't include me, but if it did - Oh Well)... Most of us either Mod or Admin at our home sites. Which means, when something like this happens, our sites become very busy and that is where we do our work. That is our home site. We come in here to help when we can, but make no mistake about it, if we are busy, that's where we will be.
As far as the ongoing issue with Viewtech and others. I'm not gonna get into Law 101, but fact is, if they had a strong case, they would go to Criminal Court and not Civil court. At this point they are just trying to slow the industry down. And making FTA receivers was not then and is not now Illegal. It is what is done to them afterwards that make them illegal. |
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| Posted on Saturday, July 21, 2007 - 12:15 pm: |
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C&P from Royce news Service:
Viewsat's response to the current situation // 2007-07-21
THE LAW OFFICE OF MANUEL DE LA CERRA
6885 CATAMARAN DRIVE MANNY@DELACERRALAW. COM
CARLSBAD, CA 92011 W WW.DELACERRALAW. COM
July 20, 2007
Dear FTA Community:
ViewTech has recently learned that Echostar and Nagrastar have filed a Complaint in a California Federal District Court against ViewTech and Mr. Jung Kwak.
ViewTech and Mr. Kwak intend to vigorously defend against the baseless claims made by Echostar and Nagrastar. ViewTech and Mr. Kwak have already retained experienced litigation counsel to help them fight these baseless accusations.
It has also been brought to the attention of ViewTech that some of its competitors have been improperly making contact with ViewTech’s distributors, dealers and customers, and maliciously conveying false information to them.
They have falsely stated that ViewTech’s distributors, dealers and customers are on some sort of list of alleged infringers of supposedly copyrighted materials, and that they may be liable or named in a lawsuit filed against ViewTech. They have also demanded that ViewTech’s distributors, dealers and customers place a disclaimer on their respective websites disavowing ViewTech and its products.
Let’s be absolutely clear — only ViewTech and Mr. Kwak have been named as potential defendants.
None of ViewTech’s distributors, dealers or customers are named or even identified in the allegations of the Complaint, or on any other list. The Federal Court has not been asked, nor has it given any interim relief whatsoever to either Echostar or Nagrastar. ViewTech and Mr. Kwak are confident that they will prevail as
the lawsuit proceeds, and they will keep all of you informed of any significant developments in the future.
Your continued business is very important to ViewTech. Indeed, all of ViewTech’s success is because you have worked with ViewTech to make VIEWSAT the number one selling FTA receiver.
There’s a reason why VIEWSAT is number one – the
quality of the products and ViewTech’s customer service.
You have made a choice to purchase and use the VIEWSAT line because the quality and customer service is unmatched in the industry. It is clear that those disparaging ViewTech do so only in a
misguided attempt to promote their own products – products that cannot match the quality of VIEWSAT.
ViewTech intends to continue supplying products that you and your customers demand, products that continue to push the bounds of FTA.
Respectfully,
Manuel de la Cerra, Esq.
Attorney for ViewTech, Inc. |
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| Posted on Saturday, July 21, 2007 - 04:37 pm: |
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Posts at satscams reporting that ccc data bank was hacked and deleted/destroyed or they did it themseves is in question.Either way it's gone so ppl /members info is safe! |
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| Posted on Saturday, July 21, 2007 - 05:17 pm: |
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told you so..................... 
Mr. Bill
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FYI
........he ( LK ) sends word its already been taken care of
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| Posted on Monday, July 23, 2007 - 08:44 am: |
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Is it not true that Echostar would not even be in this situation if it had not tried to do it`s security on the cheap?
I for one am glad they did it on the cheap. But they should have spent the millions to get a DTV type security.In the long run it probably would have saved them money. |
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| Posted on Tuesday, July 24, 2007 - 01:29 am: |
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If this case dragged on, VS will definitely suffer.
Do u guys think VS will spend millions of dollar in litigation fee?? I very much doubted. |
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| Posted on Tuesday, July 24, 2007 - 06:25 am: |
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VS isn't paying anything.It' will just find a new importer/distributor.Everyone else listed in the suit is on there own.Well maybe VS might help Viewteck 's legal fees so it doesn't roll over on VS. |
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| Posted on Thursday, July 26, 2007 - 04:27 pm: |
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C&P form Royce News:
Viewsat problems keep mounting // 2007-07-25
Despite all the talks from Viewsat (Viewtech) lawyers, it looks like their problems getting bigger and bigger.
Reports are coming in that majority of the Viewsat official dealers are getting calls from Nagrastar (Echostar security division), they want to know how long these guys have been their dealers, how many units have been sold by them and what kind of support they have been receiving from Viewsat including the files.
To make the matter even worse Viewtech CEO Jung Kwak along with others was found guilty of importing cable boxes to desclamber cable in the past and was fined by the court, that fine is still outstanding, it may not look good when he goes to court to defend Viewsat in North America |
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| Posted on Thursday, July 26, 2007 - 10:05 pm: |
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Post the "Jung Kwak" story, I'm interested in who he really is and what skeleton's are in his closet.Atleast give us a link to this info. |
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| Posted on Thursday, July 26, 2007 - 10:15 pm: |
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Jung Kwak is a Kwak who does not quack |
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| Posted on Thursday, July 26, 2007 - 10:15 pm: |
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Even if Viewteck and Jung Kwak are found guilty and their dealers too,it's only a legal suit seeking money damages.The fact that Viewsat will still have a legal product with legal and just use as a fta receiver won't change.Viewsat will just distance themesevles and plead no knowledge of what viewteck did and get a new importer and dealers.PPl will always fill those posistions because there is money to be made.[IMOA]
But I think Viewteck and and Jung Kwak are done! stick a fork in them. |
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| Posted on Thursday, July 26, 2007 - 10:42 pm: |
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http://www.DishNewsOnline.tv click the news on the right column to read. .... |
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now if viewsat loses expect them to pay royalties for count 1 and 2. The other counts will be bought up on real court charges by the city and state, not civil but criminal.
you see they are suing them on counts that are all braking the law and they will be in real law issues if they lose.
count v: Unfair Competition in Violation of California Business & Professions Code § 17200
Calif law is setup so that they do not go after people for that unless there is civil case.
there is no doubt they will get full dealers list that will happen with out a doubt. because that is how they can prove and say they are being unfair they must hand over those records. However that does not mean anything bad for the dealers that info by law could not be used unless there are future criminal action.
there is a reason they went at Viewsat and the owner has been in this type of law issues before and that history will be able to be used in a Calif court. Viewsat owned had been in law issues for Cable Descramblers. If you live in LA you might recall about 6 years ago the cops busted some one and it was all over the local news, that was him.
for the end users there is little to nothing to worry about other then maybe viewsat issues with there products and or company. But NO end users have anything more to fear. Every count they are suing on does not relate to a end user.
Viewsat will lose on at least 1 count. some of the counts are based on each other if they viewsat beat one of them they beat 2.
Dish will win atleast 1 count.
what does this say for viewsat brand will you got to wait for the case to be over to know. if they lose will there be issues with viewsat receivers well there could be or there might not be all what counts they lose.
I would just buy other brands till the lawsuit is cleared. Do not fear the law coming at you because thats not going to happen the very very worst for the end users they will have units with out future updates. But at this time that is just talk.
viewsat lawyer does do this type of lawsuits so yes they did get a good persona and company to stand up for them.
i hope this answers a few questions please ask more if you have any. |
Gold Member Username: Satscanner
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| Posted on Friday, July 27, 2007 - 06:57 am: |
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Despite how this lawsuit plays out ,it definately took the wind out of viewsat sales.But I wish it would of been pansat and BL on there hit list instead.That ending would then be appropriate and no tears lost on him. |
Bronze Member Username: Tigger_woods
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| Posted on Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 12:47 pm: |
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Despite how this lawsuit plays out ,it definately took the wind out of viewsat sales.But I wish it would of been pansat and BL on there hit list instead.That ending would then be appropriate and no tears lost on him.
what???!!!!!
BL IS A GREAT GREAT MAN, I know him well, we are mates. |
Platinum Member Username: Lklives
Post Number: 10591
Registered: Jan-06
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| Posted on Sunday, July 29, 2007 - 10:51 am: |
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I've am on vaca to the Cape and Vineyard since 16 July as I do annually until AFTER lABOR DAY and the Travers in Saratoga NY...I have not seen a computer or TV since then, so I did NOT "abandon" anybody...I have a life other than Ecoustics and FTA...I will say that this entire thread is about as worrysome as a fa*rt in church!...and mark my words, nobody's going to do time, and only a few individuals (TDG etc) will have any POSSIBLE civil fines....and who cares what happenned with cable box descramblers 6-7 years ago, its NOT relevant to this....later, enjoy your discussions but I wouldn't be concerned 1 bit..FTA receivers and illegal software will be around for a long time, until Nagravision is either VASTLY improved or a new encrytption is released such as DTV did a few backs.. |
Silver Member Username: Hardrockstriker
Post Number: 944
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| Posted on Sunday, July 29, 2007 - 11:51 am: |
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I agree with you, LK. And, even if US sites were forced to be shut down then we'd still be able to find bins on offshore sites. The same thing happened with bit torrent sites a few years back, and still they're running solid. |
Bronze Member Username: Dishall
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| Posted on Sunday, July 29, 2007 - 12:10 pm: |
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just bought vs pro and scanned only names of channals no picture , how to put new keys any help |
Platinum Member Username: Lklives
Post Number: 10593
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| Posted on Sunday, July 29, 2007 - 01:05 pm: |
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Based upon this ridiculous thought process below, then DTV should bring suit against DN and Bev for distibuting DN receivers that can be hacked with plastic access smart cards...DTV is losing much money cause DN receivers have firmware and components that can be modified/altered/ hacked...thats NO different than FTA companies or Viewtech selling legal receivers that can be modified...
To me, this Viewtech and Kwak entire thing is a frivilious lawsuit, that should/could bring punitive damages and sanctions against Nagravision and Echostar.....
"EchoStar’s suit specifically alleged that the satellite equipment distributed by Viewtech “contains computer firmware and components designed to accept the download of pirate software created solely for ‘Viewsat’ branded FTA receivers. Once flashed with this technology, these FTA receivers can and will illegally receive Dish Network programming.” |
Silver Member Username: Amex
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| Posted on Monday, July 30, 2007 - 12:45 am: |
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Gold Member Username: Hawaiian_time
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| Posted on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 - 01:58 pm: |
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LK makes a good point. Maybe DTV should sue DN for using half-@ss encryption on their system. I'm sure a lot of people would opt for free DN than pay for DTV. Should DTV sue, they would have a chance do some damage to DN...kick um while they're down. |
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