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| Posted on Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 12:12 pm: |
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Question for anyone... I have a progressive scan dvd player hooked up to the component input of my RCA 162 tv. The dvd player is set to 480p and 16:9. When I watch a dvd in widescreen format it displays the picture in 4:3. Then I have the option for changing the format to Cinerama, zoom etc. I thought the tv upconverts the component input from 480p to 720p thus it should be in displayed in 16:9 format automatically. Any suggestions? |
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formerly xvxvxvx Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 12:46 pm: |
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Upconverting a 480i or 480p signal does not make it an HD signal. Only HD or on rare ocassions in the past by FOX 480p is broadcast in the 16:9 ratio. This is why you must manually choose to stretch any input which does not originate in a widescreen format. For that matter when watching a DVD be sure you have purchased a widescreen version and not a fullscreen version. If you have widescreen and then select the proper stretch mode the program will be properly displayed on your screen. If you insert a fullscreen version into your DVD player when you stretch it to fit your display it will be a simulated 16:9 and will always have some incorrect geometric corrections by necessity.
Your next question will likely be about black bars on your screen when viewing an anamorphic DVD originally shot in 2:35 to 1 ratio. 
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| Posted on Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 01:01 pm: |
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I viewed a movie in widescreen format and it displayed in the 4:3 format. I stretched it to the Cinerama mode (with black bars on top and bottom) but, the picture looked slightly distorted. Then there are other formats of zoom and full screen. I tried another an anamorphic dvd and again it displayed first in 4:3 until I stretched it to Cinerama mode (black bars on top and bottom). This mode didn't appear distorted like the previous dvd. |
Ron Moha Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 06:21 pm: |
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Hello Guys:
I need your help, I bid on ebay for
RCA D61LPW42 61" 16x9 DLP HDTV w/INTEGRATED ATSC TUNER! PROGRESSIVE SCAN, GUIDE PLUS+ & NETCONNECT! LIKE NEW!.
I have won the auction for $1825.00, with $225.00 extra for shipping.
I am reading a lot about HD2 v/s HD2+ and HD3.
Is this a wise buy, getting an RCA D61LPW42 61" for under $2100 delivered to my door.
Or is it a step backwards.
See I really want to get a BIG (61'' or bigger) tv, am I crazy buying from Ebay and is it really old (HD2)?
Thank you for your help in letting me decide what do to.
Thanks again to all of you experts.
Ron
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formerly xvxvxvx Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 08:11 pm: |
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Ron,
It depends on how many hours the bulb has been used. If only a few hundred it is a fair price. If over 1000 then I believe you made a poor deal.
Yes it is HD2 technology, no it isn't bad at all, just not as good as HD2+ but for my taste more crisp than HD3.
Personally I'd never purchase a projection TV on E-Bay unless the return/refusal policy was extremely skewed in my favor and not the seller.
xvxvxvx
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formerly xvxvxvx Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 08:15 pm: |
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Sydney,
Your problem is that your DVD player is not setup properly for your 16:9 display. in the DVD menu somewhere it should ask you if you have either a 16:9 display or want to output 4:3 letterbox or 4:3 pan and scan. You need to make the change then it will be sent to your display properly with no further need for stretching.
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| Posted on Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 12:52 am: |
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xvxvxvx,
Thanks for the info. I have my DVD player set on 480p and 16:9 display. The question is what screen format should the TV be set to, Normal, Cinerama, Stretch or Zoom?
There is also an automatic format switching option that can be selected. But, if that option is selected it displays the screen in 4:3 (Normal) format.
I tried defaulting it to Cinerama (The image of a 4:3 signal is centered, expanding in the horizontal direction to fit the 16:9 format) but, it looked slighly distorted so, I tried Stretch (The image of a 4:3 video signal is stretched horizontally by 33% while the vertical size stays the same) and it looked much better.
What screen format do you use? Also, tell me about the Anamorphic widescreen format.
Thanks again!!
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| Posted on Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 05:19 am: |
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Hey Guys & Dolls:
I have been very busy with work and just caught up with this thread. This is the best RCA thread I have found yet.
Sydney: Use Stretch mode. I also have the Automatic which does not put bars on the sides of my 162 model. Try a different DVD player if yours does.
I am still amazed at the picture quality of my 162, and I am very happy with it. I just cannot believe that it is an RCA.
About the bulb issue:
I talked to someone at RCA about whether or not the price for the replacement bulb in the 162/164 (same bulb), but he never returned my call. After 4/15/05 (when work becomes normal again, I will hound them for the "correct" info on this issue, even if I have to talk to the president of RCA!
Did anyone try filing a complaint with the BBB? The only way RCA can have the complaint removed is to satisfy the customer, so if enough people complain, RCA might get an added incentive to "fix" the price difference with the competition.
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| Posted on Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 05:53 pm: |
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In reading through all these posts, and doing some surfing online, I've found what looks like the replacement for the 162 in the 163 (As far as having the HD2+ chip).
Is this correct (163 replacing the 162)?
Are there things missing from the 163 that I should spend some time looking for a 162?
THANKS!
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Bronze Member Username: Nu2itall
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| Posted on Thursday, April 07, 2005 - 09:47 am: |
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The 163 was released before the 162. I took delivery on my 163 in October and I'm still very pleased with everything about it. The picture quality, reliability, features - it's all been outstanding. I read about the 162 while initially shopping (before either was released) and my recollection is that the only difference between the 2 models is internet access - I don't believe the 162 has it.
Bottom line, if you can still get a 163 then go for it! |
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| Posted on Thursday, April 07, 2005 - 01:38 pm: |
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I had my HD50LPW164 delivered in the beginning of February. I've encountered a problem on 6 different occasions. The picture will freeze for 5 seconds or so, then then I notice the blue light on the power button go off, then back on, and the picture goes black. I'm still hearing audio (run through my receiver) but I am unable to change video inputs (to DVD, HD tuner, etc.) If I turn the TV off and back on the issue goes away. The repair place Thompson gave me to call first told me it was because I was using Satellite, upon which I told them it was happening using the built-in tuner also, then they said it is a setting on the TV (it doesn't sound like they want to come out and look at it). Has anyone experienced this or have any clue as to what the problem may be?? I would really appreciate the information. Thanks!! |
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| Posted on Thursday, April 07, 2005 - 02:59 pm: |
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Len Holtgreven writes "The 163 was released before the 162. I took delivery on my 163 in October and I'm still very pleased with everything about it. The picture quality, reliability, features - it's all been outstanding. I read about the 162 while initially shopping (before either was released) and my recollection is that the only difference between the 2 models is internet access - I don't believe the 162 has it.
Bottom line, if you can still get a 163 then go for it!"
On RCA's website they list the 163 but not the 162, which leads me to beleive the 163 is still in production. Is this correct?
If they are both discontinued, then what are the "official" current models?
THANKS! |
Bronze Member Username: Nu2itall
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| Posted on Friday, April 08, 2005 - 10:59 am: |
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To Steve Menning: Do you have your system plugged into a battery backed UPS? If not, I would highly recommend it. Your problems could be related to power glitches and even if that's not the problem it will provide protection for your bulb in the event of a power loss. You can pick up a good UPS for less than a replacement bulb.
To annonymous regarding the current production model: The current models appear to be the 164 and 165. I wouldn't put too much stock in the RCA website, it doesn't appear to me that they make much of an effort to keep it up to date. |
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| Posted on Friday, April 15, 2005 - 02:39 pm: |
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Is there a way to get into a service menu to see how many hours are on the lamp? |
formerly xvxvxvx Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Friday, April 15, 2005 - 07:00 pm: |
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Sydney,
I have the sequence at home and will try to remember to post if for you later this evening.
xvxvxvx |
formerly xvxvxvx Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Friday, April 15, 2005 - 07:05 pm: |
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Sydney,
I have the sequence at home and will try to remember to post if for you later this evening.
xvxvxvx |
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| Posted on Sunday, April 17, 2005 - 11:56 pm: |
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I've had my 162 for 25 days now and until last night I hadn't seen the rainbow effect. I noticed it watching a DVD and it was quite bothersome. It seemed to be less noticeable once I reduced the light in the room. I am debating whether or not to return the tv while I still can. Any advice? Also, is there a way to reduce the appearance of rainbows or train yourself not to see them? |
Mike Domenic Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 02:53 pm: |
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Sydney...welcome to the club. I have always seen the rainbow effect, and it has always bothered me. However, I REALLY like the DLP picture - so I've been trying to train myself to ignore it. Strangely enough, my wife didn't really understand what I was talking about until a few days ago when she saw it for the first time - and it bugged her too.
At any rate, I found that for me, INCREASING the room lighting helps. It also appears to be much more noticeable in 'darker' movies where there are bright images on a dark background. Bright fine lines and points on a black background are the worst. Here's the strangest thing. For me, the longer I watch the TV, the less noticeable it becomes. On days when I turn on the big TV to watch a movie or two, the second movie is ALWAYS more enjoyable. Either my eyes get used to it, or my mind learns to ignore it. However, I have to go through this 'training' process every time I turn on the TV.
It's really up to you. I doubt that there is really much you can do about it - so it ends up being a personal decision. Good luck!
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| Posted on Thursday, April 21, 2005 - 12:00 pm: |
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Regarding using a UPS ...
Any suggestions on brands?
Any suggestions on ratings? i.e. 1000VA/1500vVA ...
THANKS!!
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| Posted on Friday, April 22, 2005 - 12:00 am: |
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Is there a way to get into a service menu to see how many hours are on the lamp? |
New member Username: Bauerdave
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| Posted on Friday, April 22, 2005 - 09:40 am: |
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I just purchased the RCA HD61LPW165
Is there a way to get into a service menu to see how many hours are on the lamp?
Dave |
Mike Domenic Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Friday, April 22, 2005 - 03:24 pm: |
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Well all, I got my Toshiba 62HM84 today to replace my defective HD61LPW162. I thought I'd share some comparative thoughts for you.
I think I really did like the RCA image better. It just seemed to be more 'silky smooth' then the Toshi. In addition, SD looks much worse on the Toshi. I think the RCA did a better job of scaling to make the lower resolution much less obvious. In addition, I think the RCA light field was a little more uniform edge to edge. On the other hand, I have yet to notice any lipsync issues with the Toshiba - where I did notice it on occasion with the RCA. I also actually like the silver/grey case and bezel on the Toshiba more than I thought I would. It actually fits with my room better and looks a bit more modern than the RCA. The Toshiba is also MUCH quieter. The fan and color wheel noise is almost imperceptable. The speakers sound much better on the Toshi as well - and being on the sides tends to provide more stereo separation and height. Finally, the Toshiba Theaterwide setting intended for 4:3 images (where only the left and right edges of the screen are stretched and the center aspect ratio is maintained) blows the RCA version out of the water. It is much less noticeable and makes 4:3 images look as if they were meant to be shown in widescreen. The RCA version used to give me headaches when images panned from left to right.
The one thing I REALLY miss from the RCA are the nice, usable menus. The Toshi menus and navigation just plain STINK.
The bottom line is that if my RCA hadn't been defective, keeping it probably would have been the right decision. Both units have their pluses and minuses, and I do think I'll be happy with the Toshiba. I just may miss my 162 for a while.
Good luck all. I suspect I won't be frequenting this site nearly as often now.
Mike |
Ron Sask Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Friday, April 22, 2005 - 08:08 pm: |
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I now see that Samsung is using HD4 chip in their latest models. Anyone know how this new chip compares to both the HD2+ and the HD3? |
CoffeeDrinker Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Monday, April 25, 2005 - 07:20 pm: |
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In January I bought HD50LPW42. I had it just past a month when it died. RCA today finally decided that they can't get the part necessary and will replace my TV. They want to replace it with a HD50LPW164. I decided to look around to learn the difference and get opinions. That is how I found this web site.
After reading on this thread, I am concerned about the replacement bulb cost. Is there a 50 inch 165 that may I can preasure them into giving me?
The first repair ticket is Feb 22. It has been broken for over 2 months. Anybody know how I can preasure them to give me something for my trouble. The worse thing is that they say it will take them 2 weeks to get the new TV delivered to my house. |
CoffeeDrinker Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Tuesday, April 26, 2005 - 06:36 pm: |
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An update:
They agreeded to change the model to a HD50LPW165. It is being shipped to the service center that is fixing my current TV. They will bring it to my house. This should take 14 days. I was unable to have it done any other or quicker way.
I put up a big stink on the phone and the lady gave me the address of a "review board" which I can write to with my complaint.
I think this whole thing stinks. I bought my TV and used it in my house for just over one month. It broke. Three times people tried to fix the TV. Two seperate companies. Thomson can't supply the necessary parts. It has been over 2 months since my TV broke. Now I have to wait 2 more weeks until I get the TV.
I think this stinks.
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mike_of_gatlinburg Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Saturday, April 30, 2005 - 11:42 pm: |
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So, 1. Has anyone discovered how to display lamp hours as discussed previously?
2. If operating in bulb saver mode and then necessarily having to boost brightness, isn't any benefit lost? |
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| Posted on Sunday, May 01, 2005 - 12:45 am: |
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In answer to your question #1 see the below post where I posted the instructuions:
http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/2/134031.html
xvxvxvx |
CoffeeDrinker Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Sunday, May 15, 2005 - 10:55 am: |
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Another update:
3 weeks ago RCA customer service told me it would be 2 weeks until my TV was delivered. I still don't have it. RCA customer service now says it is at corporate and that it may take 10 more days.
The repair shop first took my TV away on Feb 22. RCA customer service says they can not supply the parts necessary to fix my 50" RCA DLP TV.
It is now May 15. Since Feb 22nd I don't have a working TV.
I think this stinks. |
CoffeeDrinker Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 02:29 pm: |
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Yet another update:
I called RCA customer service today just to see the status of my order. The gentleman said that my replacement TV was approved for shipment and that it would take 3 to 4 WEEKS starting on May 13th.
I think this stinks. |
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| Posted on Saturday, May 21, 2005 - 08:34 pm: |
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I am having problems with my HDMI input using a Samsung DVD-HD850 upconversion dvd player. It worked briefly then now switches back and forth from the "unusable signal" message to screen noise.
From reading this message board it sounds like I need a software upgrade. I have the 162 model built in August 2004 with software version A4.16/B4.03. I connected my ethernet cable but, I don't see a message on the tv saying a software upgrade is available nor do I see one available on the software upgrade menu. Does it take awhile to see an upgrade available?
Any information on this is greatly appreciated. |
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| Posted on Sunday, May 22, 2005 - 11:54 pm: |
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SYDNEY:
That model Samsung doesn't work with the RCA TVs. Neither does the Toshiba SD-5980. Both of these DVD players are built by the same OEM for Samsung & Toshiba, so they are the same DVD player with different firmware.
I would return it for a different brand/model while you still can.
This is what I was told by RCA. |
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| Posted on Tuesday, May 24, 2005 - 08:00 pm: |
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Update: I finally saw that I had upgrade A6.0C available for download. I downloaded it and after a few minutes of it doing it's thing I got a message saying the upgrade was unsuccessful and to try again later. I clicked the box to reset the TV. Well, the TV won't even power on now....I called RCA and they were no help especially since they told me that no upgrades were available for this TV when in fact there were. Anyways, the Thomson service tech is coming out Thurs.
Has anyone experienced a failed SW download and not able to turn the TV on? |
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| Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 09:51 am: |
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Question: Since the HD50LPW162 does upconverting to display any input signal to 720p is there any reason or benefit to use an upconversion DVD player?
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| Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 02:08 pm: |
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Hi Guys,
My HD61LPW163 broke and will be replaced by RCA but they don't have the same unit in stock any more. They want to replace it with the newer comparable model (HD61LPW165, I think). Does this sound like a fair trade? I know that the 165 has the HD3 chip instead of the HD2+ but I wonder just how big of a difference that makes in actual viewing. I'd appreciate any comments and opinions on the matter. |
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| Posted on Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 11:06 pm: |
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Folks;
I own a HDLP50W151 with about 1900 hours on the bulb. I believe this takes a type 'A' bulb. RCA and others only sell the entire assembly. The price range I've found is $600 - $800 for this unit which is well..... a bit insane. So has anyone actually looked at the assembly to see how the bulb is mounted? Is it a plugin into a reflector or solderd in? What I know about the bulb itself is that it's a UHP projector lamp. I might be able to get voltage and other specs on the bulb. What I'm trying to do is see if it's possible to plug/solder another less expensive bulb when the original goes.
Any thoughts on this?
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| Posted on Tuesday, June 07, 2005 - 09:53 am: |
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ANOTHER UPDATE: Turns out the software upgrade froze my DM3 board. I was a bit concerned when the technician told me that RCA was relocating their parts department and that it may take longer to get a replacement part. But, after only 10 days my TV is up and running again. A new DM3 board was installed containing the A6.0C software version. I am happy to report that the HDMI is now working with my Samsung HD-850 upconversion DVD player. |
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| Posted on Sunday, June 12, 2005 - 08:57 pm: |
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Couple of questions:
1. I'm looking at a 151 for about $2,600 that's with tax. Is it worth it?
2. On the specks it says that it has a HD2, Mustang II with DLP Light Engine. Is that correct, and how does it rate?
3. About how long does the blub usualy last in a set?
Thanks! |
Anon5000 Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Sunday, June 12, 2005 - 09:07 pm: |
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Pass dude...
The 151 is RCA's older model, apparently had lots of problems, noisy fans and color wheel, and the HD2 is probably the oldest DLP chip being sold right now (contrast not so great, dimples in the mirrors, etc.). RCA's latest sets use the HD3.
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| Posted on Sunday, June 12, 2005 - 09:44 pm: |
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Abe's of Maine (a reliable online retailer) has it for $2199 with a $15 instant discount and $249 for shipping and no sales tax. This is the 51" model.
As for the HD2 chip I prefer the added detail it offers over the soft look on the HD3 chipset.
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Anon5000 Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 03:45 pm: |
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Keep in mind, the HD2 is NOT the HD2+. The HD2 is an earlier generation with a poorer contrast ratio, and dimples - so you're not going to get the super sharp bright image of the HD2+. The HD3 is the new softer image as you say.
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New member Username: Wanito
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| Posted on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 05:53 pm: |
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Hi does anyone know how to hook a computer up to a rca hd61lpw163 tv using the DTV link input on TV.
I just want to turn the TV into a large computer monitor so I can play PC games on it.
Also I have just purchased a lamp for the TV for $350 |
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| Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 09:02 am: |
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David,
Does you TV use Lamp type A or B and where did you get a lamp for $350?
Sydney |
New member Username: Wanito
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| Posted on Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 05:22 pm: |
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Hi it is a type B lamp, bulb on order.
Also any ever use the TV as a monitor?????????? |
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| Posted on Saturday, June 25, 2005 - 10:52 am: |
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hey david, I have a scenium hd61lpw165, the dtv link is meant for video camera input. You want to connect the tv to your video output of your pc's video card. My pc has an ATIx850xt with DVI outputs, so I use a DVI-to-HDMI adapter and use the HDMI input on the tv to plug the pc in (its crystal clear, as good as my 20"widescreen lcd). Depending on what video outputs you have on your pc, you will need that type of adapter. Hope this helps. |
rca tv owner Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Wednesday, June 29, 2005 - 04:35 pm: |
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Hi Kahnman,
How do you like your 165? Were you able to compare it to any HD2+ sets? |
New member Username: Max_w
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| Posted on Wednesday, June 29, 2005 - 10:22 pm: |
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My RCA Scenium HD50LPW162 has a wonderful picture but intermittent sound issues in the form of a tinny, rattling noise that comes and goes. Turning the set off and back on will make it go away anywhere from a day to several weeks. RCA's local warranty service people have replced the i/o board and the DM3 board but this intermittent nuisance problem persists.
Also this evening while watching an SD channel the screen went black and the blue power light flashed, then it came back on, then went through the same cycle again. Although protected with a Monster power surge system I'm wondering if a power spike could have caused that or maybe the new DM3 board is worse than the old one.
Although the picture seems unaffected I have noticed that on antenna input the signals are weaker and I'm getting fewer channels. The antenna is a cheapie so upgrading should fix it but the old board pulled in several including Fox HD with the same cheap setup.
The bottom line is that in spite of the great picture I'm beginning to trust this set less and am considering asking Best Buy to replace it. Any thoughts on the above issues will be appreciated.
Oh, and one other thing, there are sometimes little static pops coming from the speakers, it doesn't matter if I'm on the TV's speakers or my external sound system. I'm on cable and sometimes rebooting the cable converter will get rid of them for weeks however after the recent DM3 board replacement it was found that the same popping noises were being caused by the set. Rebooting it (unplugging) solved that issue. I toss this out in case anyone is having these same issues. I still don't know what causes them.
Overall I like my 162 and, yes, I do have the extended warranty but I really don't enjoy the hassle of owning a set that seems to always have something going wrong with it, even if some of those issues are minor. It was purchased from Best Buy in October 2004. |
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| Posted on Thursday, June 30, 2005 - 01:35 pm: |
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Has anyone purchased/reviewed the RCA HD44LPW165? It's one of the only TV's that will fit in my opening, and it seems to have a lot more features than any other TV in the 44-46 inch category.
I'm also considering the Samsung 46" DLP, but it's more expensive. |
SCBrown Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Friday, July 01, 2005 - 04:42 pm: |
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Max,
I have the 162 (BBY, 3/2005), and I get the popping noises also. Quite annoying. Turning on/off sometimes temporarily helps. I have not pursued resolution to this so have no advice.
But that is the only problem I have had...so can't comment on your other issues. |
New member Username: Max_w
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| Posted on Friday, July 01, 2005 - 05:32 pm: |
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SCBrown,
Try a complete reboot (unplugging) of the set. That may get rid of the popping noises for several days at a time. Also if you are on cable or satellite rebooting that receiver may also work.
It seems to me if the popping noises are rapid and frequent it's a cable/sat problem but if they are spaced out a minute or more apart it's more likely a TV problem. When it happens to me I reboot both and so far it's gotten rid of the problem for at least several days and sometimes weeks at a time before it inevitably returns. |
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| Posted on Sunday, July 03, 2005 - 10:32 pm: |
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After months of exhsusting research, I have decided on a 50" DLP. Choice seemed to be between the HD50LPW165 and the Panasonic PT-50DL54,,,,,,,or maybe the Sharp 56DR650 56" is the way to go after looking at ths thread? Will anyone give me advice here?...thanks... |
dlptvproblem Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Friday, July 08, 2005 - 08:10 pm: |
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I got a rca dlp HD50LPW42 and it makes this buzzing noise all the time. Does anyone have this problem?
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JREAGAN Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Wednesday, July 13, 2005 - 06:01 pm: |
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I have found someone willing to sell their HD50LPW162 for $1400. I am very excited about the possiblity, but am unsure of the lamp life. If the life is 3-4000 is this a good deal? |
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| Posted on Friday, July 15, 2005 - 10:18 am: |
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Heck yes that's a good deal. The 162 has the better HD2+ chip. I was told that the lamp life is between 6,000 - 8,000 on the bright setting and up to 10,000 hours on the bulb saver setting.
I have a 162 and I am very happy with it. |
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