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Thread: P4 ACTIVATION.... is this legit? |
   
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| Posted on Saturday, April 24, 2004 - 06:29 pm: |
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http://www.3moffshore.com/ Anyone have knowledge of this? Cheers |
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| Posted on Saturday, April 24, 2004 - 06:32 pm: |
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BIG SCAMER |
   
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| Posted on Saturday, April 24, 2004 - 06:33 pm: |
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Thanks for the reply. |
   
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| Posted on Saturday, May 22, 2004 - 11:37 pm: |
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How do you know for sure? Has anyone you known tried it? |
   
canadabob Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Sunday, May 23, 2004 - 11:51 am: |
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regarding 3moffshore. I read a post of a guy who bought the activaction from them. They asked him about his p4 cam id and sent him sort of no 745 boart, with instructions to place his card in the board and reciver. he said after a few hours, he recived all the chanels. He also said that his reciver was showing diffrent cam id than his p4. In my opinion they are programing the board with the valid sub cam id and your vlrgin p4/5 is activated throgh the stream according to valid sub. |
   
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| Posted on Sunday, May 23, 2004 - 03:49 pm: |
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http://blackbird.cx/directv-omegaIII.php this site is sellng a an p4 omega 111... if they have that do they have the new card programmed?? |
   
ckob1308 Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Monday, May 24, 2004 - 07:17 pm: |
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Thanks canadabob! The info you provided was helpfull. Can you give more details? The boot board that is shown on the 3moffshore website is pictured so you can't see the chips. Is the board same as the chameleon, red devil or no 745 boot boards? Which card is better to use the P4 or the P5? Is any other site selling the same or similar product? |
   
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| Posted on Friday, June 18, 2004 - 01:39 pm: |
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I went to the 3moffshore site and checked it out. I communicated with their sales rep. via email and since bought a lifetime membership. That was 5/25. I haven't received anything from 3moffshore as yet! I was told that the hardware required to run their software would be received on a certain dates, which has been missed several times. When I contacted their sales department I got some reply that the item was shipped to me but held at customs. I live in the same city as were the funds were sent so I don't know what border the product had to cross to be held by customs. I live a 15 minutes drive from the address I sent the money to. I have continued to try and contact someone at 3moffshore but my emails get no reply now. The articles I read were very convincing and the sales rep at 3moffshore are very helpful "initally". The 3moffshore web page is nice and very professional. I even have access to a members page with files for download and instructions. I however do not have the "hardware required" to use the software, which is what I am waiting for. I have a group of friends, like you, who are also very interested to know whether this site and their products are legit or a scam. I would wait on the verdict wether this is a scam or not. I will let you know what if anything results from my leap of faith. |
   
internet bob Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Friday, June 18, 2004 - 02:30 pm: |
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what are the hardware requirements |
   
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| Posted on Sunday, June 20, 2004 - 11:09 am: |
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Keep us updated, this is encouraging |
   
Bronze Member Username: More2it
Post Number: 14 Registered: May-04
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| Posted on Sunday, June 20, 2004 - 11:54 am: |
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If I had the only hack on the planet I would have access to a forum so outsiders could see it wasn't a scam. You could visit the site and ask questions from folks that had their cards working. If you don't know for a fact it isn't a scam, you better treat it like one or you will lose out. Right now EVERYTHING CLAMING TO WORK IS A SCAM....PERIOD |
   
scammed Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Thursday, July 08, 2004 - 08:24 pm: |
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ckobmc, 3moffshore I have exactly the same expirience with them. I bought my own hardware to test , and found out that their software is garbage Stay Away |
   
scammed Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Thursday, July 08, 2004 - 08:34 pm: |
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They don't return e-mails for the members once the money was cashed. Try to mail them from diffrent address and find out how quicklly they respond to it |
   
New member Username: Ckobmc
Post Number: 1 Registered: Jun-04
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| Posted on Monday, July 12, 2004 - 09:09 pm: |
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3moffshore does appear to be scamming a lot of people. They reply to my emails and I even get them during the live chat sessions. Lot-a-good it has done for me. I still don't have the ISO programmer or the boot board. I also got my hands on an ISO reader to try the software and got squat as well 711 on all channels except the preview channels. Well I don't gamble, I don't drink and I don't smoke, so loosing some money to watch tv is my vise. Chaulk it up as a lesson learn.
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scammed Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Tuesday, July 13, 2004 - 06:24 pm: |
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ckob, What is the file name you have acces to in the member area? Do they still respond to your e-mails.Did they give you a new version that should read, clone, and clean the cards ? Thanks |
   
New member Username: Ckobmc
Post Number: 2 Registered: Jun-04
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| Posted on Tuesday, July 13, 2004 - 10:15 pm: |
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The file was a supposed 3m script...Bull! The new version was supposed to be uploaded to the site last Tuesday...Bull, again! I wonder what would happen if their file was posted on the net for everone to try. If the product was legit I bet that would catch their attention. |
   
New member Username: Ckobmc
Post Number: 3 Registered: Jun-04
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| Posted on Tuesday, July 13, 2004 - 10:17 pm: |
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The file was a supposed 3m script...Bull! The new version was supposed to be uploaded to the site last Tuesday...Bull, again! I wonder what would happen if their file was posted on the net for everone to try. If the product was legit I bet that would catch their attention. |
   
scammed Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Tuesday, July 13, 2004 - 10:49 pm: |
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It's been decrypted and posted. However I noticed that the size of this file is smaller than original.The guys who tested it, said it's a crap. I run my 3M on P5, P4 and HU with their winex and my ISo. In all the cases the script goes with no errors.Still 711. The only option working is the card checker wchich has been public already for a while.The only thing that surprise me a little is that script sometimes runs diffrently. Thanks for your comments |
   
New member Username: Wooohaa
Post Number: 1 Registered: Jul-04
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| Posted on Thursday, July 15, 2004 - 02:42 pm: |
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I ordered an ISO programmer, 2 days ago, they haven't answered none of my e-mails ever since, and by what i've read, im screwed. I bought the programmer since it's the cheapest thing, so my loss isn't that much. When you are not sure of what you are getting into, it's best to only invest a little and see how it goes and when you feel confident go all out. BTW, is there any way to get these A**holes? |
   
cracker Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Thursday, July 15, 2004 - 02:59 pm: |
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their hack is public (FREE) at www.dsscentral.net ..its garbage,thats why central posted it for all to see the garbage for themselves for FREE! |
   
New member Username: Wooohaa
Post Number: 2 Registered: Jul-04
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| Posted on Friday, July 16, 2004 - 10:15 am: |
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their hack is public (FREE) at www.dsscentral.net ..its garbage,thats why central posted it for all to see the garbage for themselves for FREE! which one is it exactly? |
   
New member Username: Ckobmc
Post Number: 4 Registered: Jun-04
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| Posted on Sunday, July 18, 2004 - 11:05 am: |
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I posted the 3m file at www.dsscentral.net for all to try. The file is named p4p53m. The 3m file runs but I still get 711 on all channels except preview channels. If anyone can get something out of it let me know. I thought if the scammers at 3moffshore wont support I will help myself. |
   
scammed Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Tuesday, July 27, 2004 - 04:58 pm: |
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ckob, did you get any new update from them?
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New member Username: Ckobmc
Post Number: 5 Registered: Jun-04
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| Posted on Tuesday, July 27, 2004 - 05:47 pm: |
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I got an email from a supposed member of 3mxxxshore. He claims to have the 3m file working 100%. Here read... "Hi, first let me tell you , I'm not part of 3moffshore, I'm just another 3moffshore customer, we develop an Atmel code here and is working 100% for us if I relese my atmel code it would be to a dealer, please ask 3moffshore for the code I might relese it to them." I asked him to send me the atmel but he has not yet responded. |
   
scammed Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Tuesday, July 27, 2004 - 08:23 pm: |
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Strange, how did the guy get your adress. I have not got anything from them in 3 weeks. Just wonder if they even going to support once public hack is realised. I've seen more simillar websites claiming to have p4/5 activaction, 3M or even fix for HU. Price 300-400 USD |
   
Bronze Member Username: Dtv
Post Number: 32 Registered: Jul-04
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| Posted on Tuesday, July 27, 2004 - 11:21 pm: |
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what is the website that says they have it |
   
Bronze Member Username: Dtv
Post Number: 33 Registered: Jul-04
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| Posted on Tuesday, July 27, 2004 - 11:33 pm: |
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what is the code any news on it
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New member Username: Ckobmc
Post Number: 6 Registered: Jun-04
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| Posted on Tuesday, July 27, 2004 - 11:49 pm: |
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The other site I found claiming they had a p4 fix was this www.solectronite.com They say their fix works for Pay Per View only. Again like 3Mxxxshore you need their special bootstrap or the script wont work. |
   
New member Username: Ckobmc
Post Number: 7 Registered: Jun-04
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| Posted on Tuesday, July 27, 2004 - 11:57 pm: |
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This guy got my address in a round about kinda way. You know how quick 3mxxxshore is to respond to new enquiries. Well long story short I used that to my advantage to get some dialogue with them. It worked as they directed me to this other "member" as proof that their product is legit. From where I stand he proved nothing to me. I figure we just got roped into an early sign up for p4 activation...if it ever happens? |
   
scammed Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Wednesday, July 28, 2004 - 05:41 pm: |
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In my opinion another scam, but who knows? http://www.cpwave.net/cpwave2.htm |
   
scammed Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Thursday, July 29, 2004 - 04:44 pm: |
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3Moffshore is gone. It looks like after 3 months of scamming they finally decided to close the website or open it somwhere else with diffrent name |
   
cracker Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Friday, July 30, 2004 - 05:29 pm: |
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can anyone tell me is www.3moffshore.com link still worrking for you??
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scammed Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Saturday, July 31, 2004 - 11:11 am: |
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ckob, do you still have acces to their website? |
   
New member Username: Ckobmc
Post Number: 8 Registered: Jun-04
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| Posted on Saturday, July 31, 2004 - 02:49 pm: |
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I can get on the main page but it is incomplete. The links to the supporting pages aren't working for me at all. I agree with the comments posted by scammed earlier, "3Moffshore is gone. It looks like after 3 months of scamming they finally decided to close the website or open it somwhere else with diffrent name" Oh well life goes on. |
   
Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Saturday, July 31, 2004 - 08:29 pm: |
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i purchased a 6 month membership from your3mscripts when the hu card went down they said it would be about a month that was in april it is now july 31 2004 and nothing.i e-mailed them several times this week and no response.i can login to the site but there is still fix. i feel i'm getting ripped off when i first got the membership it was fine but no more what should i do? |
   
New member Username: Ckobmc
Post Number: 9 Registered: Jun-04
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| Posted on Saturday, July 31, 2004 - 09:36 pm: |
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Read the previous posts peacck2003. A lot of people got scammed by these guys. You are SOL like a whole lot of us. |
   
New member Username: Ckobmc
Post Number: 10 Registered: Jun-04
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| Posted on Saturday, July 31, 2004 - 09:36 pm: |
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Read the previous posts peacck2003. A lot of people got scammed by these guys. You are SOL like a whole lot of us. |
   
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| Posted on Sunday, August 01, 2004 - 12:28 am: |
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hey ckob iam a member of www.solectronite.com there not scammers they used to have really good hu scripts and they told me that the p4 activation will work with any bootsrtap not just theres |
   
New member Username: Bobs35
Post Number: 3 Registered: Jul-04
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| Posted on Sunday, August 01, 2004 - 10:20 am: |
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3m offshore is reported to be shut down by dtv. thet are running it now so i've heard |
   
New member Username: Frankthetank
Post Number: 4 Registered: Jul-04
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| Posted on Sunday, August 01, 2004 - 12:48 pm: |
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does anyone know if www.solectronite.com is a scam or not? |
   
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| Posted on Sunday, August 01, 2004 - 03:38 pm: |
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www.solectronite.com are not scammers trust me |
   
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| Posted on Sunday, August 01, 2004 - 03:39 pm: |
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www.solectronite.com are not scammers trust me |
   
Silver Member Username: Tvlonely
Post Number: 154 Registered: Jun-04
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| Posted on Sunday, August 01, 2004 - 05:27 pm: |
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Willie - what is your experience with solectronite? |
   
scammed Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 05:18 pm: |
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For more info about 3moffshore, read forums at hashHU.com , seems like the guys were busted |
   
casey jones Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 06:31 pm: |
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any site selling any P4/5 support now are scammers.. |
   
casey jones Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 06:31 pm: |
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any site selling any P4/5 support now are scammers.. |
   
Bronze Member Username: Ckobmc
Post Number: 11 Registered: Jun-04
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| Posted on Thursday, August 05, 2004 - 06:38 am: |
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hey willie, I went to solectronite but I don't get it? Is it working for you? Did they respond promptly after you paid with a user I.D. and password? I tried it on your word and so far squat!? Almost a week and no second email with member info. |
   
scammed Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Monday, August 09, 2004 - 04:54 pm: |
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It looks like 3moffshore site is back on. ckob do you have acces to members area 'cause I don't. Have you recived any e-mails from them recentlly? |
   
Bronze Member Username: Ckobmc
Post Number: 13 Registered: Jun-04
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| Posted on Monday, August 09, 2004 - 09:49 pm: |
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See my post back on July 31st. Have access to all other links on 3moffshore site except the members page link...figures!? |
   
pineapple Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Monday, August 09, 2004 - 11:04 pm: |
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hey they're all scams now..no P4 hack,either 3M or activation..yes there is a P4 activation,by DTV thru a scammer who will charge you 2-3x the true cost of a DTV subscription..then blow you off after 2-3 months..when ANY hack either 3M or activation is real,everyone will know the REAL thing..it'll be posted EVERYWHERE...keep your money in your pocket until then. |
   
pineapple Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Monday, August 09, 2004 - 11:06 pm: |
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hey they're all scams now..no P4 hack,either 3M or activation..yes there is a P4 activation,by DTV thru a scammer who will charge you 2-3x the true cost of a DTV subscription..then blow you off after 2-3 months..when ANY hack either 3M or activation is real,everyone will know the REAL thing..it'll be posted EVERYWHERE...keep your money in your pocket until then. |
   
New member Username: Rob3161
New york,
New york
Post Number: 1 Registered: Aug-04
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| Posted on Monday, August 09, 2004 - 11:21 pm: |
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I GOT A PANSAT 2500A IDO NOT KNOW HOW TO SET IT UP? I NEED THE SOFTWARE AND STEP BY STEP ON HOW TO FIX IT? I WOULD LIKE TO TALK OVER THE PHONE IF THAT IS O K. THANK YOU ROB |
   
Bronze Member Username: Ckobmc
Post Number: 14 Registered: Jun-04
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| Posted on Monday, August 09, 2004 - 11:32 pm: |
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Hey willie, I got my solectronite members password and access to downloads. Need help...three of the four programs are new to me. We will see if this is legit or not. |
   
andyb204 Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Monday, August 09, 2004 - 11:36 pm: |
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If your not sure if a site is scamming go check this site. They check into scammers and report who is scamming and who is not. Great info site http://p4info.com/modules.php?name=Jig |
   
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| Posted on Tuesday, August 10, 2004 - 01:48 am: |
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hey ckob how did u get into the members page because i cant and what is the 3 files called |
   
Bronze Member Username: Ckobmc
Post Number: 15 Registered: Jun-04
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| Posted on Tuesday, August 10, 2004 - 07:44 pm: |
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willie, willie, willie... What are you asking me? What?? You posted "hey ckob iam a member of www.solectronite.com there not scammers they used to have really good hu scripts and they told me that the p4 activation will work with any bootsrtap not just theres" If you say you are a member, why in heavens name are you asking me how to access the members page? Please PM me and we can set up a chat. |
   
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| Posted on Saturday, August 14, 2004 - 06:55 pm: |
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i doubted 3moffshore a long time ago tell everyone u know to stay away |
   
Bronze Member Username: Ckobmc
Post Number: 16 Registered: Jun-04
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| Posted on Tuesday, August 17, 2004 - 12:52 am: |
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That is what the thread is mainly about...STAY AWAY FROM 3MOFFSHORE!!!! BIG SCAMMERS!!!! The latest phase of the scam is currently in motion. The "video proof" is bound to draw some poor suckers in. I wish something could be done about them. |
   
New member Username: Yaz67493
TAMPA,
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USA
Post Number: 1 Registered: Aug-04
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| Posted on Tuesday, August 17, 2004 - 06:48 am: |
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Can someone please tell me if the p5 cards work? |
   
thegame15 Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Saturday, August 28, 2004 - 10:03 pm: |
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I don't believe them but i am willing to see about this video they have to offer, lol |
   
Finish 24 Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Saturday, August 28, 2004 - 11:49 pm: |
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***********FINALLY GOOD NEWS!!************ If you have a Direct TV satellite dish with the BASIC SUBSCRITION, then you are able to receive free extra channels including PPV,NFL and ADULT with your service. I have P5 cards available for $150 each. The cards are pre-programmed so that you are able to receive over 500 extra channels FOR FREE, including 96 ppv, 6 adult, HBO, Showtime, Cinemax, NFL ticket and your local stations and music channels. THE PRICES ARE $150 EACH INCLUDING SHIPPING. -FIVE MONTH GUARANTY ALSO INCLUDED TO ORDER E-MAIL ME AT finish24@aol.com AND PLEASE ALSO INCLUDE YOUR IRD's SERIAL NUMBER. HURRY BECAUSE I HAVE ONLY 60 CARDS LEFT **************THIS IS NO SCAM****************** MANY ECoustcs MEMBERS ARE NOW HAPPY CUSTOMERS |
   
Silver Member Username: Elgringoviego
Post Number: 212 Registered: Jun-04
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| Posted on Sunday, August 29, 2004 - 01:59 am: |
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Richard/deaf -- The above was an experiment. Someone has been fukkin with all of the threads here, or at least eight of them in the past couple of hours. Eight threads have the exact same posts on them, nine counting this one, and all of them within 17 minutes. There are four posts that recur on all 9 threads: Finish 24's "Finaly Good News" Finish 24, ths just in James Millard (Registered) Finish 24 "Can't understand why you discredit me..." Each thread has some or no posts in between, depending on the responses between the C/P's, but of course there are no C/P's of REGISTERED posters except those of James Millard. What you guys saw me doing with your posts was to see if I could C/P your registration/user name, and you saw how that came out. One other thing: James Millard's post wasn't always C/P'd: In at least one case he used all cap's. So, either James Millard is doing this, or the real James Millard has cancelled his registration and someone else has taken it over -- which can't be true because James Millard has over 200 posts, or something like that. That tells me only one thing: Those other posts were all imitations/impersonations, with the lone exception of James Millard. James Millard: My good friend, can you please explain this away?
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davesucksmyass Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Sunday, August 29, 2004 - 04:09 pm: |
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Finish 24 Unregistered scammer |
   
New member Username: Jarhead1979
Post Number: 1 Registered: Sep-04
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| Posted on Wednesday, September 22, 2004 - 06:38 am: |
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i got riped off yesterday from 3moffshore it id really a scam not too bad 8 of us went to getther to get the personal invite 3m and lost our but they want money western union and they are dif a scamm but the video they send must be crap too it show p4 hacked watch out for them it comes in email form as a invite for a tester. |
   
New member Username: Jarhead1979
Post Number: 2 Registered: Sep-04
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| Posted on Wednesday, September 22, 2004 - 06:43 am: |
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i got riped off yesterday from 3moffshore it id really a scam not too bad 8 of us went to getther to get the personal invite 3m and lost our but they want money western union and they are dif a scamm but the video they send must be crap too it show p4 hacked watch out for them it comes in email form as a invite for a tester. |
   
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| Posted on Wednesday, September 22, 2004 - 06:51 am: |
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got scammed by 3moffshore be tight |
   
Bronze Member Username: Ckobmc
Post Number: 17 Registered: Jun-04
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| Posted on Wednesday, September 22, 2004 - 07:57 am: |
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terry keeton, This string has been here for months telling everyone that 3moffXXXXX is nothing but a scam. You are supposed to read first, do some research. I can't beleive you gave those ashsole your money. I also can't beleive that you are proclaiming 3moffXXXXX to be scammers when everyone who has posted in this string and read it knows that already. I write about the original scam and the video weeks ago. I never bothered writing about the email since I thought the message was clear and out already. Next time read first and ask questions. If not for saving your money but for not making scamming prciks like 3moffXXXXX richer. |
   
casey jones Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Wednesday, September 22, 2004 - 11:51 am: |
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If you want a legit activation go to the bug site www.sathouse.com.pa they have a working act at site. |
   
its here Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Wednesday, September 22, 2004 - 12:00 pm: |
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Terry try sathouse.com.pa they will help you out will only good working fix its an activation and is working flawlessly rigfht now many mebers are very happy right now watching dave tv again. This site has been posted at 40 sites at least and are very well known site throughout the testing community. |
   
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| Posted on Wednesday, September 22, 2004 - 12:46 pm: |
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sathouse are scammers |
   
Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Wednesday, September 22, 2004 - 10:44 pm: |
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3m offshores link does not work |
   
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| Posted on Wednesday, September 22, 2004 - 11:42 pm: |
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oh boy.. there is no p4/p5/d1 hack at all! Just activation scams and very expensive. No filters, loaders ... nothing! Anything where you give them your cam id and it comes on is an activation where it will work a limited time. They keep you happy at first and then one day.... no tv.. no service. If you want to test right now its simple and heck of a lot cheaper.. buy a dish or expressvu reciever (same thing.. all echostar equipment) Buy it on Ebay. If you are canadian go Dish, If American then go expresvu. (because its more grey market and can avert legal action by providers) I went dish.. Cost $200... time.. alot to do research and get it going flawlessly Savings... alot. Been up and going with a little tweeking here and there...30 sec a week if that (now). Been up and watching for more than 3 months. Yes nagra2 will probably come up in 2005. FTA with nagra2.. no FTA with menu guides... no Changing channels with fta... slow channels disappearing with fta.. yes fta is cardless but goes down and its first systems were sabotaged with sept1. Pay 400 just to program here and there and end up buying a new chip for the unit. All crap. Buy a fta pci unit for your computer.. why the heck would you watch tv on your computer? All I'm saying is.. no hack for dtv.. all scams so far or expensive activations. Fta is very expensive and crap. Go with a real unit 301 or something and read, read, read, read.. all part of testing |
   
at it again Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Wednesday, September 22, 2004 - 11:42 pm: |
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here we go again more applebee alias's |
   
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c&P here we go again more applebee alias's --- You "at it again" must be someone who is trying to scam people by pumping your 'hack' For crying out loud.. no dtv hack!! Stop your garbage. i'm just telling people the facts!! And its so simple and cheap. All you have to do is read and learn! |
   
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| Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 01:17 am: |
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before u post sh!T know the facts |
   
applebee here Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 11:55 am: |
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here we go again more applebee wanna bees |
   
applebee Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 12:45 pm: |
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hey Nuke,..VERY good observation...never noticed that,makes U wonder if this site or an admin or mods here are also imposters..also there are many legit Dave sponsors/ads here...do U think maybe this is a Dave site?...and/or just a site that allows,encourages,and actually participates in controversy for financial gains thru sponsors,or for the gathering of public and personal info?...what other explanation could there be! and as we all know DTV IN CANADA is not the voice,mouth,peckerwood,applebee, etc but just an imposter of many,who has more posts and is more controversial than everyone else here...and has more powers (such as the word FU*CK) here than any others,registered or unregistered..BTW his FU*CK has no asterik,which nobody else here can do.. BTW..not casey jones, or any imposter here,just me..and have no affiliation with this site,law enforcement or DTV..but I do smell something fishy here,especially with unedited posts by the same person using various unregisterd alias and some registered too..and its not me.. BTW...DTV in CANADA,dodo curl and many of the above POSTS are all the same person,who is an admin or mod here...just go read some of the posts in other threads here...he can write an unedited FU*CK which no one else can |
   
Silver Member Username: Jmill1948
Chester,
Va
Usa
Post Number: 266 Registered: Apr-04
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| Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 08:20 pm: |
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lovely day for a picnic............peace jmill |