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Bronze Member
Username: Pilot53

Post Number: 12
Registered: May-05
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Steve,

My unit will sit on a table until my cabinet gets build. Your setup looks good. I cant wait to get the unit.

I was supposed to get it on Tuesday, but I found out about an hour after I paid for it that I have to go out of town that morning, so I had to postpone delivery until the next week.

It will be worth waiting for.

Pilot53
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Username: Steve_m

Ivyland, PA
USA

Post Number: 22
Registered: Feb-05
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Mr Lynch or others,
I have both lights on the front of the JVC blinking together and very rapidly. Also the TV won't tourn off unless I unplug it (no picture, just a black screen). Is the manuel correct that the issue is typically a bulb malfunction?
Thanks
Steve
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Username: Uofmrapper

Post Number: 45
Registered: Feb-05
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I have the Motorola 6200 cable box w/ comcast...can you guys tell me what you have in the setup menu under audio setup? Thanks...

Jeremy
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Username: Stevee

York, PA
USA

Post Number: 5
Registered: Jun-05
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Steven;
Yup, sounds like a bad bulb. If the lights are blinking and you don't get a picture, it sounds like your bulb ate it. I hope you don't normally pull the plug out after you turn off your TV, that would have prevented the tv from going through the normal bulb cooling cycle. This would cause your bulb to blow. Give JVC a call, the nuber is listed above in the forum, and they should replace it if your tv is still under warrentee. Did you register it on their website when you bought it?


Hey Jeremy, I have the scientific atlanta 3250HD. My audio setup on it is "digtial out--Dolby ProLogic", "audio range--narrow", "audio out--variable". What are you having a problem with?

Steve
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Username: Mr_lynch

Seattle, WA

Post Number: 772
Registered: Sep-04
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Steven-

It doesn't necesarily mean a bad bulb. I had the samething happen the other night during a thunderstorm. It is a warning that your TV lost power and was not able to shut down properly. You have to unplug it to "reset" it. If you still get the 2 flashing lights after the TV is plugged back in your bulb is bad.

I use a UPS backup battery with my set, but when I was moving things around a few weeks ago I forgot to plug the TV back into it. It was only running off the Surge protector and that's why I got the 2 flashing lights when I lost power for a second.

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Username: Steve_m

Ivyland, PA
USA

Post Number: 23
Registered: Feb-05
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Thanks to both of you. The flashing lights came on in the middle of a program and the screen went black. This is the only time I've ever unplugged the TV because it will not respond to the power button. The only way to stop the blinking is to leave it unplugged. Will call JVC at 9 when they open. I bought the TV in February so warranty should not be an issue. Either way I bought the extended warranty from Sears which also covers bulbs. Thanks again.
Steve
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Username: Ahseng

Bay Area, CA
USA

Post Number: 10
Registered: Jan-05
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I am considering the Denon 3910 DVD player for use with my JVC-HD60Z575. I have read in other forums that the macro-blocking problem on the 3910 is dependent on the display one uses. Some displays are more sensitive to the problem and some displays just don't show it. So I am curious if anyone here have use their JVC with either the Denon 3910 or the 2910 DVD player and if so have they notice any macro-blocking issue.

Thanks
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RaveD
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The JVC is very sensitive to macroblocking on the HDMI input. At least it is with my Oppo DVD player. There are some things in the Oppo firmware that could make the macroblocking slightly worse than other Faroujda-based players like the Denon or Panasonic S97/S77, but I doubt you can eliminate the macroblocking entirely.

Macroblocking is an artifact of DVD compression. Some disks are worse than others. The JVC exposes all of the disk's flaws via its HDMI input.

Proper calibration and turning off dynamic gamma does reduce the problem, but not entirely. If you're sensitive to macroblocking, it's probably best to stay away from Faroujda-based players.
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Username: Videobruce

Buffalo , NY

Post Number: 70
Registered: Nov-04
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Have you tried another cable? Most of these cables are only 28 guage which is pathetic at best, especially what they are charging for them!
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Username: Ahseng

Bay Area, CA
USA

Post Number: 11
Registered: Jan-05
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RaveD:
Thanks for the reply. When you say "JVC exposes all of the disk's flaws via its HDMI", are you referring to the fact that the JVC's HDMI is more sensitive compared to other displays' HDMI interface, or the fact that any HDMI interface will expose the macro-blocking issue? I read somewhere that claim if the display uses a 12+ bit of resolution for video processing it can minimize the macro-blocking. I guess this means the JVC is probably using less than 12-bit of resolution for video processing.

I am tempted to try the 3910 to see if calibration will minimize the macro-blocking to a point that it is acceptable. I like the 3910 because it is widely claimed by other users to be superior playing SACD music which is what I wanted. I will look at other non-Faroujda-based DVD/SACD players.

VideoBruce:
No sure if your question is meant for me. I don't have the 3910 so I don't know if it is a cable problem. I will keep that in mind though.

Thanks
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Silver Member
Username: Rlschneck

Post Number: 125
Registered: Apr-04
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buddha/Mr. Lynch (...other xbox live gamers),

i love playing xbox on this tv... it is excellent! my gamer tag is B0ND OO7 (the oh is a zero, and the zero's are oh's). always looking for good people to play with.

by the way, Mr. Lynch, i have a space in my tag and have not received a letter... weird. i wouldn't mind a free year of service!

later
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Username: Rlschneck

Post Number: 126
Registered: Apr-04
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On the subject of receivers...

I know there is a separate forum topic for receivers, but the topic has been discussed recently, i enjoy the discourse of the participants of this thread, and i have great respect for their opinions... so i hope no one minds.

I am also in the market for a new receiver, and would love some recommendations. some guidelines:

(1) Dolby, DTS, and (if possible) THX decoding
(2) 5.1 or 7.1 channels (it seems the price difference is getting more and more negligible, so if i can get 7.1 without too much extra cost, why not)
(3) HDMI would be really nice, but not absolutely necessary
(4) in the neighborhood of $300 (flexible)

i will check out that link for the jvc hdmi receiver...

thanks everyone,
ryan
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RaveD
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I can't really comment on other TV's HDMI input, or on the issue of 12-bit processing. I'm not sure that has anything to do with it.

Macroblocking is on the disk itself; it is a side-effect of MPEG compression. Using a 480i/480p and/or analog connection to the TV, the signal processing naturally softens the edges. Using the digital input, you see exactly what the player gives you.

I can say that on some DVDs the Oppo (with the same chip as the Denon) shows horrible macroblocking, regardless of the calibration of the TV. In this case I output the DVD at 480p instead of 720p and it greatly reduces it. The JVC appears to have a good scaler so you don't lose much PQ when you feed it 480p.
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Username: Mr_lynch

Seattle, WA

Post Number: 773
Registered: Sep-04
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I agree with RaveD. With my Toshiba SD5970 I always output at 480p via the HDMI. The JVCs scaler seems to be much better than the one in my DVD player. With outputting 720p from the 5970, I notice more artifacts and macroblocking.

I do know JVC used a 10-bit processor in the z575/585 series. Most other TVs in its price range only use an 8-bit. That is part of the reason colors seem more vivid and true on the JVC when compared to other sets. 12-bit must look really nice.
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Username: Ahseng

Bay Area, CA
USA

Post Number: 12
Registered: Jan-05
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Lynch:
I do have the SD5970. Now that you mentioned it I believe I do see occasional macroblocking when I set it to 720p. Does the SD5970 uses the Faroudja chip? If it does then I know what to expect from the Denon 3910 - can't be worst than the SD5970.

Thanks
Sin-Wing
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RaveD
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I don't think the Toshiba uses the Faroudja.

Any DVD player connected digitally should show some amount of macroblocking; it's a result of having a pure digital signal path. Again it is highly dependent on the source material: there are good DVDs and bad. When they try to stuff too much crap on the DVD, the movie quality suffers from the added compression.

If you notice macroblocking with the Toshiba, it will likely be worse with a Faroudja player. The flip side is that the Faroudja produces excellent PQ in all other respects. It's all relative...
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Username: Mr_lynch

Seattle, WA

Post Number: 774
Registered: Sep-04
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The Toshiba does not use the Faroudja chip. Macro-blocking is very minimal for the most part, and almost totally non existant when outputing at 480p via HDMI. Wish I could say the same about HBOHD. Watching that channel you can really see the downfall of poor video compression.

I mostly heard good things about the Denon 3910. At the price that piece of hardware runs it better perform good.
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buddha
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Stephen,

As far as the number of splitters go, I have one splitter that splits it to my 3 different outlets. It is a brand new splitter that the radio shack guy recommended. When I get a chance I'll have to try the direct test you talk about.

Everybody,
Anybody use the Monster screen cleaner? Just wondering - want to make sure it doesn't cause any problems before I use it.

Thanks!
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buddha
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Ryan,

I got one of the Yamaha home theater in a box setups from best buy and have been very happy with it. 5.1 with all speakers. No HDMI, though. No DVD player (already had one of the new thin PS2s with a progressive scan player). All for 299 at the time.

RSchnek,

My gamer tag is JoylessLemming. Look for me!
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Bronze Member
Username: Mthom

Post Number: 18
Registered: May-05
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Ryan - I purchased the Kenwood VRSN8100 back in December. It's an all digital processing receiver and has a ethernet port for streaming media from your home network. The receiver has been great. No HDMI or THX, but everything else. I really like it, and it's tiny. I recently saw it on Amazon for $399, but it may be cheaper now.

Well, my 61Z786 is being delivered on Friday!!! I can't wait.
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Username: Pilot53

Post Number: 13
Registered: May-05
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I've got mine comming next Tuesday. I can't wait, either. It comes with a receiver, so why would you need antoher one. I am sure, though, that Adelphia's HD unit is junk. It does have an HDMI output. I have to get one of those cables. Will componnent output be OK for DVD? We watch cable much more than we watch DVD's.

Pilot53
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Username: Mthom

Post Number: 19
Registered: May-05
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Pilot - I'll be doing the same thing DVD through component and cable/sat through HDMI. I just opted for that because I was looking for a DVD Recorder without breaking the bank. I heard component is still extremely good. The JVC scales up from 480p to 720p.

As for the receiver, I was talking about an A/V receiver, not HD :-)

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Username: Rlschneck

Post Number: 128
Registered: Apr-04
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michael thomas and pilot,

congrats on your new sets. i have the 575 and i love it. is the 786 the new 1080p set? stupid question, i know, but i've been out of the research phase for a while and enjoying the "playing" phase.

p.s. thanks for the feedback about the receivers!
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Username: Bstinman

Stow, OH

Post Number: 1
Registered: Jun-05
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Mr. Lynch, I have spent many hours reading through the archived post and really appreciate the feedback that you (and others) give to newbie's such as myself. My 585 (that I purchased for $1,895 from BuyDig.com) is due to be delivered on Thursday. I am a little afraid of the whole "out of the box" setup that is required. Hopefully the AVIA DVD I purchased will aid in my tweaking of the settings but I would really appreciate it if you could e-mail me a copy of the JVC service manual in case I need to venture into the Service Menu. My address is btinney@neo.rr.com. Thanks so much.
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Username: Parodielin

Post Number: 3
Registered: Apr-05
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Using Dish 811 HD Receiver
Anyone using Dish 811 HD receiver with JVC 61? I've the following problems:
- Set 811 to 720p. The HD channel looks like SD
- For all SD channels, the screen cannot full the screen. This is normal because it's SD. However, the stretch on JVC is not available (Only HD stretch is available), because the 811 receiver outputs 720p and the JVC only gives me HD stretch options.

Any experience?
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Username: Pradamson

Post Number: 1
Registered: Jun-05
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I finally bit the bullet and purchased the 575 with a 5 year non-bulb contract for delivery on Saturday.
I do have a few questions though.
1. Has anyone tried the HDMI with a Dish 942?
2. Is there still an issue with the HDMI on the JVC that they fix?
3. What size UPS should be used?

And last but most important to get it working at it's best.

Mr. Lynch, could you please e-mail me a copy of the JVC service manual at my address
p_adamso@bellsouth.net

I would really appreciate it, Thanks.
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Username: Thedvdguy

Post Number: 35
Registered: Jan-05
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I am considering picking up the 5980, but I have a lot of other region DVDs that I would like to be able to play as well. I read that there is a region-free hack for the 5970:

Codefree via remote control:
-open the tray
-type 2403960 (each time you press a digit button
you'll see a cursor advancing on the screen)
-press enter to cycle to region 9
-close the tray
-turn the player off
-turn it back on

Can anyone confirm that this works on the 5980, or is there another hack?

Thanks
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Username: Kid_red

Post Number: 204
Registered: Apr-04
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RaveD- Not all DVD players have the macroblocking issues. Not all Denons, just the DVD players that use that particular faradouja chip. I have the Denon 2900 and it has ZERO macroblocking issues because it does not use the faradouja chip that has that flaw.
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RaveD
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No doubt, the Faroudja is the king of macroblocking. The macroblocking is there on the disk, the Faroudja upscaling processor magnifies it.

It's a shame because the Faroudja chip does produces a crystal clear, HD-like image from DVDs, but with certain titles, the macroblocking is so bad as to be distracting.

I decided to keep my Oppo because on the majority of DVDs the macroblocking is not that noticable. On those where I can see it, I just switch to 480p.
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Username: Pilot53

Post Number: 14
Registered: May-05
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OK I give up. What is macro-blocking, and how do you tell which DVD player has what chip? Is macroblocking more prevalent with the progressive scan?

I am getting my 61" Z786 delivered next week. I want to have it set up correctly. I am going to trash my older DVD player (it is pretty screwed up anyway) and get one with component out. Do I need to make sure what chip does the video decoding before I buy?

How distracting will the macroblocking be? (once I know what it is)?

Pilot53
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Username: Mthom

Post Number: 20
Registered: May-05
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Ryan - the 61z786 is not the 1080p, just the newer model of the 720p (with HD Tuner, and other add ons).

Pilot - I think the general consensus is to let the JVC scale up your DVD signal to 720p (don't use the DVD player to scale up) and I think the picture will be fine. Mr. Lynch said he uses the 480p output from his Toshiba 5980 and lets the JVC scale it up. But he did say he still likes to use the HDMI connection (with the normal 480p output) which seems to provide the clearest picture. I opted for just a decent 480p DVD Recorder (DMR-ES10K for $170 on Amazon) ... I'll tell you how it looks when the JVC comes on Friday. Bottom line ... let the JVC worry about getting you to 720p and just get a good progressive scan DVD player or recorder with options that you like.
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FLBuckeye
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FYI... New JVC models listed as available at HDTVTIME.com <http://store.hdtvtime.com/jvc2.html>

JVC HD52G786 52 Inch Rear Projection D-ILA HDTV (black) $2,298.00

JVC HD52G886 52 Inch Rear Projection D-ILA HDTV (silver) $2,298.00

JVC HD56G786 56 Inch Rear Projection D-ILA HDTV (black) $2,513.66

JVC HD56G886 56 Inch Rear Projection D-ILA HDTV (silver) $2,513.66
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Username: Pradamson

Post Number: 2
Registered: Jun-05
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R Schneck,
This is from the JVC press release:
"The first new sets to be available will be 720p models: the HD-52G886 (52 inches), HD-56G886 (56 inches), HD-61Z886 (61 inches) and the HD-70G886 (70 inches), all with silver cabinets. Black cabinet versions of the 52-, 56- and 61-inch models will also be available (models HD-52G786, HD-56G786 and HD-61Z786, respectively). All are ATSC tuner/CableCARD™-equipped, feature PC inputs, and dual IEEE 1394 inputs. The HD-70G886 adds a memory card slot for convenient direct playback of still images and video from the full array of flash memory cards."
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Username: Rlschneck

Post Number: 130
Registered: Apr-04
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I also wrestled with the question of what DVD player to use for a while. I settled on the Sony upconverting HDMI player (DVP-NS975V). I watch a lot of movies, and this player does a good job (no macroblocking, comparable to the best HD signal on cable). However, if you are not a big movie-watcher, I would agree with the others and tell you to just go with a quality progressive scan player. The model that I got is about $250 and it is kind of glitchy (e.g. it doesn't always respond to remote commands the way that you would expect it to). They have probably worked most of the glitches out by now, though. I bought mine when they were relatively new to the market.

Macroblocking is actually just what it sounds like. In order to compress digital video, "chunks" or "blocks" of static scenery (usually things in the background that are monochromatic and out of focus anyway) are isolated and forced to be static and the same color throughout. While I originally said that these "blocks" are static and monochromatic prior to compression, that is not entirely true. What you lose during compression are the different shades of the background color and the subtle movement of the background as the camera follows the subject of focus. The result is a patch-work quilt of blocks, each one being TRULY monochromatic and static. The pattern of blocks changes every couple of frames and you will see something that reminds you of Tetris.

hope that helps.

p.s. thanks for the info regarding the new 786 and 886 models!
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Username: Rlschneck

Post Number: 131
Registered: Apr-04
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hey, what do you guys think of the H/K AVR 235? any owners out there, or anyone else, who wants to share their thoughts?

thanks,
ryan
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buddha
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R Schneck,

Thanks for that post - I think that is actually what I am seeing from my cable box - not "pixelization" as I had said before.
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Username: Tom_asaro

Manahawkin, NJ
United States

Post Number: 5
Registered: Jan-05
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Hi all -

Can anyone share their experience with PAC-2000? I tried doing a search, but only found a few references to them.

Thanks,

Tom
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Username: Bstinman

Stow, OH

Post Number: 2
Registered: Jun-05
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Tom,

Not sure about PAC-2000, but I recently ordered and received the HD-52Z585 from buydig.com and was very happy. It is a FEB 05 model. Only cost $1,895 with free shipping and no immediate sales tax and it took less than a week to get delivered. The delivery guy even took the TV out of the box and helped me get it on my TV stand. As far as the TV goes, I'm in awe.
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Username: Mthom

Post Number: 21
Registered: May-05
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Tom - I ordered my 61Z786 through Pac-2000 and just got it delivered today. If you're looking for in person service, you probably won't get it from them, but through e-mail and live chat, they are good. I did get the white glove delivery, to make sure I'd be covered in case of delivery damage. The guys that delivered the TV were great, and the set was in perfect condition ... the box even looked in mint condition (which leads me to believe that more than likely curbside delivery would have been fine). But the guys helped me set it up, check it out, and were more than willing to stick around until I was completely satisfied. I couldn't beat Pac-2000's price, and overall, I am very satisfied.

Now a Tech question ...
I've set up my DVD Recorder (Panasonic DMR-ES10K) with component cables (new Acoustic Research cables from Best Buy)through my AV Receiver (Kenwood VRS-N8100). I was using the THX optimizer on one of my DVD's and noticed a significant purple shadowing/streaking whenever bright white objects or words are on the screen. When I switched to my SD DirecTV box, connected via S-video, there was no shadowing/streaking.

It makes me think it's a cable issue (which I really didn't expect), but I guess it could be from the DVD Player. I'm going to try another cheap DVD player I have with the component cables to test it.

Also when I popped in the Matrix DVD, it seemed a bit grainy to me.

Any ideas?
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Username: Mthom

Post Number: 22
Registered: May-05
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Well, I've narrowed it down. I used one cable directly from the DVD to the TV and it cleared up the problem. So it's either the other cable or my Kenwood in/out connections.

I LOVE THIS TV!!! And I haven't even seen the HD on it yet!!!
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Bug
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Guys,

Thanks for all the great posts. I just recently bought a 585 and I very happy with the set so far. I set up the set using a THX optimizer and I get a brightness setting of about -8 or so. When a watch a dark section of a movie I can see what looks like rain falling from right to left. Has anyone else had this problem? I'm running component cables from my sony DVD.

Cheers
Bug
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Username: Mthom

Post Number: 23
Registered: May-05
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Mr. Lynch - are the service manuals for the 575/585 the same or similar for the 786/886? If so, could you send me a copy at michael@mthom.com, and if not, what's the best way to get one for the 786?

Thanks!
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Username: Videobruce

Buffalo , NY

Post Number: 82
Registered: Nov-04
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Service manuals are not available for the 'G' series yet. It isn't the same set as the 1st generation models. These have ATSC tuners for starters.
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Username: Condor

Post Number: 83
Registered: Oct-04
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Ryan

hey, what do you guys think of the H/K AVR 235? any owners out there, or anyone else, who wants to share their thoughts?
..............................

I have the Harmon Kardon AV235 and it is EXCELLENT in my opinion. Plenty of power and no audible distortion. My HK is driving 4 AR speakers (re-coned) from the early 70's, a new Paradigm center channel and a subwoofer. It is one slick machine and for the "fashion" concious the HK Volume control light is the same blue as the JVC. Makes for a real sharp combo.

Jim

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Username: Johng565

Baltimore, MD

Post Number: 4
Registered: Dec-04
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SIZE:
The picture from Brian T. shows that Sir Charles' head has not outgrown a football as some have suggested! Since Barkley's retirement he has put on some weight and Tiger Woods, a golf friend of his, has referred to him as 'Sir Cumference'!

Hey, speaking of SIZE, I've got a limited width built in cabinet that I want to put the TV into. It has plenty of height and depth for hot air to escape, but questionable width for the JVC 52. Anyone have dimensions of the new 52G786? I need the total width, and depth of the front corners (2 inches or 1 1/2"), and how far in from the edge that the angeled sides start to go back.

I had started looking at this forum last Dec, but got a 44" LG simply because it would fit the space, and that it was an all black cabinet. I took it back after 29 days (to CC) because I saw that I could easily fit in a 50 inch, but have been waiting for better contrast and black levels on the screens. Anyone know the contrast ratio's on the new 'G's?

I would love the new JVC if it would fit in my built in cabinet. Have considered taking out some drywall, but my wife... well you know...

HDTVtime says "New cabinet design with a thinner frame..." so I'm getting my hopes up. Local stoors say the new JVC 'G's will be here by the end of the month.

John G
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Bug
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Hmm...I guess I'm the only one with this problem. I wonder if I have a bad set? Nov 04 is the date. Other than that one issue listed above the TV has been great.

Bug
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Username: Mthom

Post Number: 24
Registered: May-05
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Bug - I haven't seen that problem yet ... I had issues with my component video out with streaks and discoloration from bright whites, but it turns out that it was from passing through my Kenwood A/V receiver ... some signal loss. Now I go straight from the DVD to the JVC and it works great. I can still see some neglible analog noise from time to time, but other than that the picture is great.

Here's a pic of my completed setup.
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Username: Nuclearfish

Nashville, TN
USA

Post Number: 62
Registered: Feb-05
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Michael and Brian (and anyone else who has pics),

Mr. Lynch has set up a page where we've all been posting pics of our setups...

http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/2/114959.html
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Username: Bringbackditka

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Registered: Jun-05
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Please help me with this TV.
I have this JVC 52" TV and the color is horrible. It looks as though I am not getting the full spectrum of colors..

A good comparison would be looking at a colorful image as a .gif image.. i am not getting all of the colors, instead of nice tones, i am getting blocks of colors on faces and such.

Here is the setup:
I have the Comcast Box hooked up using the DVI-D cable. I have spent a consierable time on this forum and I have not seen an exact answer to this problem.

Please help, I am hoping it is something simple in the setup of the Comcast box or something simply on the tv itself. I have had comcast techs over a couple times and they said it is the TV (they have said, everything is setup for a great signal). I exchanged out the tv at best buy and still get the same garbage.

I am getting DESPERATE, and ready to take back the tv to exchange it to something different. The people on this board are incredible, I know someone on here can help.

I am at work right now, so a