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Thread: Plasma Burn-In Question ??? |
    
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| Posted on Thursday, March 04, 2004 - 03:58 pm: |
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Hi,
I'm considering getting my first Plasma TV (the Sony KE-42TS2) and I'm pretty excited about it.
Here's my only concern: based on what I've been reading, burn-in from news tickers happens fairly easily.
The problem: I like to watch news channels (like CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, etc) fairly often, and they ALL have news tickers.
So, my question is: how quickly does burn-in from news tickers REALLY occur? Minutes? Hours? Days?
In other words, how long can I watch these channels before I MUST change the channel to a non-news show?
Anyone have any personal experience with this?
Thanks very much!!
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New member Username: Anthonyp
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Registered: Apr-04
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| Posted on Thursday, April 29, 2004 - 12:51 pm: |
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As long as you aren't ALWAYS watching those channels I think you should be fairly safe from it. Just make sure to watch other channels that have have no news ticker to move the dead areas around. |
Bronze Member Username: Tonytiger
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| Posted on Thursday, May 06, 2004 - 01:57 pm: |
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I had someone tell me to go to a bright channel like the weather channel before watching the set and to always finish that way as well. Supposedly this helps stop burn in.
I've had mine for almost five months now and don't notice any ghost images yet. |
vurbano Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Thursday, May 27, 2004 - 03:24 pm: |
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First suggestion is, calibrate the unit. Most units come from factory with torch mode. Lower the picture and contrast and your chances of burn-in will be slim to none. DVE and/or AVIA are the tools to have. |
New member Username: Jonny
Yonkers/NYC,
NY
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Registered: Oct-04
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| Posted on Monday, October 04, 2004 - 10:14 pm: |
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ive got an EDTV Plasma coming in soon...I want to play some xbox on it though, so I am a little worried...I mean as long as I am actually playing while the tv is on, it should be ok? |
Bronze Member Username: Mojitojota
Madrid
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| Posted on Tuesday, October 05, 2004 - 10:42 am: |
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Vurbano...What is exactly torch mode? ...and what about DVE or AVIA??
Thanks |
GoodAdvice Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Sunday, November 14, 2004 - 02:02 am: |
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Check out eBay for good deals on plasma dude. |
Disappointed in Wega Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Friday, November 26, 2004 - 06:01 pm: |
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I just got a Sony Wega 50" Plasma (KDE50XS955) 4 days ago. I only watched TV lightly during that time and I have major burn-in. The real problem is the "black bands" on the side of TV shows that are not ready for the new 16:9 ratio. This area will definitly burn-in and you will notice this on 16:9 stuff. What's worse is that this area even burns in the chanel information box (that the TV puts on the screen). Little icons can be seen like "TV Guide" which we might have watched to see what was on one time.
Please forget about using XBox on a plasma. Things like score boxes are typically in the same place for extended periods of time and will burn-in. |
New member Username: Jonny
Yonkers/NYC,
NY
Post Number: 4
Registered: Oct-04
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| Posted on Friday, November 26, 2004 - 06:32 pm: |
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Are you that's burn-in and not ghosting? I get plenty of ghosting from XBOX, Channel flags, etc. but it usually goes away (my tv has a "white wash" function) as long as it isnt on for really long period of time. |
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| Posted on Saturday, December 04, 2004 - 07:28 am: |
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I was so ready to get a Plasma. I had been looking forward to it for a very long time. My current TV just died last night. But, after reading about burn in... Ugh. Now, I am very wary. I had planned on using it for both PC and TV purposes. I think I should change my mind. DARN! |
New member Username: Nbk13nw
Newport News,
Virginia
USA
Post Number: 2
Registered: Dec-04
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| Posted on Thursday, December 16, 2004 - 02:58 pm: |
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Torch mode is a term to describe the settings of COntrast / Brightness / Color / Tint used in teh showroom of dealers. The prcture is set abnormlly bright in order to "Shine" under the heaavliy lighted showroom. Turning these down to a respectible level not only makes for a better picture at home, it can also prolong the life of the set and prevent burn-in. |
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| Posted on Friday, December 17, 2004 - 12:09 pm: |
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Hey Disappointed,
I am curious did you run the new Sony Wega on Vivid Picture Setting the entire time.
I too just got the exact same TV - have now had for 3 weeks and have not seen any Burn-In
I set the picture to Standard down from Vivid and also try to always Wide Zoom the black side bars away from non HD Programming.
2.35 DVD's I zoom so the picture fills the enitre box. Unfortunately very few DVDs are 1.85
Overall though I love the picture, I am curious that you have had a bad experience, post back and maybe we can advise each other on this NEW set, I have not seen any other reviews out there it is so new.
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New member Username: Nbk13nw
Newport News,
Virginia
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Registered: Dec-04
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| Posted on Friday, December 17, 2004 - 12:24 pm: |
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By the way, DVE (Digital Video Essentials) and Avia are great, I use them both. If not first try setting the contrast down somewhere between 40 and 45 and the brightnes between 45 and 50. This helps a lot to prevent burn in and it can provide a better piture as well. The setting will depend upon the individual set, the room light (Try some back lighting) and your preferences too. |
Ron Keas Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Thursday, January 06, 2005 - 04:19 pm: |
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Why is Fox News and CNN ignoring this problem? Won't it catch up with them eventually? I put up a website to complain and warn..
http://www.3dviewmax.com/burnin.htm |
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| Posted on Thursday, January 06, 2005 - 06:41 pm: |
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maybe they prefer LCD
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| Posted on Friday, January 07, 2005 - 04:23 pm: |
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I have an SONY LCD (30XBR900) and a SONY Plasma 42XS910. I prefer the LCD but that hasn't made my plasma show burn in 
Seriously though, with a plasma you need to follow some rules. I don't leave shows with black bars on the side on any longer than I have to. I don't watch boring picture formats (like CNN etc) on the plasma often. I don't use the vivid setting unless it's bright sunlight coming in the window, etc. Basically all of the advice on this forum can be followed. Having said that we have several sports bars in the area, all of whom have 2 or more plasma screens. Most of these end up set to games or headline news channels. I have been walking up to them and observing their screens. I am not seeing any evidence of burn in on SONY, Zenith, Panasonic or Phillips screens. I wonder how big of a deal it really is? |
New member Username: Steven21
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Registered: Jan-05
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| Posted on Friday, January 07, 2005 - 07:31 pm: |
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i just got a DELL plasma (hdtv) and i've had it for 3 weeks. From watching shows with the 4:3 aspect ratio there are now red/black lines where the black bars were. i set the brightness and contrast ratio to 35 and didnt even leave it on for more then 4 hours a day before i got the burn in. I guesss dells prices were to good to me true. |
Bob98102 Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Tuesday, January 25, 2005 - 09:25 am: |
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I have a Fujitsy HD 42 inch plasma with the AliS plasma screen. I have noticed that the ALiS plasmas can be adjusted to full screen (by using the picture size and position buttons) even while in full digital mode (cable box/dvd) which does not appear to be the case with other plasmas which have fixed ratios. Seems to be a good argument in favor of getting the AliS plasma. |
Bob98102 Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Tuesday, January 25, 2005 - 09:31 am: |
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I have a Fujitsu HD 42 inch plasma and have noticed that it and other ALiS plasmas can be adjust to full screen display even in full digital mode. Non-ALiS plasmas have fixed display ratios at least in digital or component video mode so "black bars" can be a potential problem with some odd-szed dvds especially. Seems to be a good argument in favor of buying an ALiS monitor. |
Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - 06:22 am: |
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In what way is contrast intensity influenced in a Plasma. In other words, shud i have to buy a plasma which has a high contrast |
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| Posted on Sunday, March 06, 2005 - 04:38 pm: |
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Plasmas will always have an affinity for burn-in as they are a phosphor based technology (just like good old CRTs). If you really want to avoid burn-in, get an LCD screen or a projector (LCD, LCOS or DLP).
If you still want a plasma, obviously the usual rules apply. If you buy the cheapest unit it will probably have more problems....
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| Posted on Monday, March 07, 2005 - 06:54 pm: |
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I have had a Panasonic th50phd7uy for 5 months. We use it as our main display in our family room. All during the day it gets a complete mix of television shows - qvc, cnn, etc. It has even been left on channels with static info bars overnight.
To date - no burn-in. nada. zip. zero.
For this plasma, and considering I use it without regard to anything since it is a television to me and nothing more, burn-in is not an issue. |
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| Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 01:16 pm: |
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Is there anyway to repair/remove burn-in? |
Bronze Member Username: Nbk13nw
Newport News,
Virginia
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| Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 02:54 pm: |
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Anonymous:
Other than tryig to hide it best you can by adjusting maybe the contrast a bit, no real way of repairing or removing the burn in. |
New member Username: Skasol
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| Posted on Wednesday, March 30, 2005 - 03:37 am: |
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I got a 42 Toshiba HDTV plasma and I play xbox games on it, I lower the contrast as well as the brightness and sharpness and it seems to be fine. any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. |
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| Posted on Wednesday, March 30, 2005 - 05:03 pm: |
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I'm currently looking to buy a Marantz 42" (model PD4230V)" Marantz is not really active in the TV industry in Canada and therefore, I don't have much information (reviews) on that product. Does anybony knows anything about that specific model from Marantz ? |
Charlie TV Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Friday, May 06, 2005 - 08:34 pm: |
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Two salespoeple at Best Buy told me that plasma burn in is temporary, and that all I would have to do to remove it was to watch another channel for an hour or so. Is this true? |
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| Posted on Tuesday, May 10, 2005 - 02:31 pm: |
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plasma sets have image retention...not burn in...it is removable if your tv has a white wash function.....or just send a bright white signal through the set....or get a tech |
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| Posted on Wednesday, May 11, 2005 - 05:48 pm: |
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Can someone please tell me, which is generally considered better, plasma or LCD? I just want a nice, middle of the road flat panel HDTV that is built to last...which should I focus on getting? Any brand suggestions? From what I've read, LCD just seems to be more hassle free...but is the picture quality as good? Does it really make a difference?
Thanks a lot. |
absquatulator Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2005 - 01:27 pm: |
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Most TV stations display a logo on the screen during programs. Has anyone experienced ghosting problems from this? |
master-ceo Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Friday, May 20, 2005 - 02:48 am: |
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I have a philips 42pf9936 42" plasma. I was playing GTA San Andreas and noticed light burn-in of the time boxat the top right after about an hour and a half of game play. To resolve the problem i immediatly watched a movie in fullscreen and the burn-in went away. |
master-ceo Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Friday, May 20, 2005 - 02:51 am: |
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DG1994.
LCD's have motion sickness. If you can deal with the pixelation during action packed scenes, get an LCD. I would go for a Sharp Aquos preferably! |
Hilarias Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Sunday, June 05, 2005 - 10:21 am: |
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I have a Philips 32" Plasma which is about 18 months old, Sometimes I may get a ghost image from having a static image on the screen, but after about 2 or 3 minutes its faded away.
On a black screen i can see absoloutly no image burn or ghosting, I wouldn't be too worried I think they have sorted these issues out. |
Perrey Z. Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Sunday, June 05, 2005 - 06:28 pm: |
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My Philips 42PF9966 have burn-in from closed caption and i just notice from the setting menu aswell and it's only 38-days old, use only for a total of 45-hours.
Other manufacturers have implemented features to prevent or minimized image retention, Philips instead stop using them.
The only Philips that have burn-in prevention features are the old ones like yours which use the company's propietary APAC feature.
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| Posted on Saturday, June 11, 2005 - 12:42 am: |
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There is an easy way to fix burn-in,
Simply turn in the plasma tv on and set for off air receiption but unplug the antenna, you will get snowy pictures, leave it like that for 24 hours and your burn-in will be fixed.
I have seen tv's in the back room of a tv repair shop and was told by the technician there that this is what they do to repair burn-in.
Good luck. |
Mike Dafsfasg Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 08:09 am: |
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I have had a 42" Phillips Plasma for about a year now. I did not have any problems with it until a couple days ago. When I try to turn the TV on (using the button on the side of the TV) it clicks on and goes off immediatly. The green light comes on for brief second and the goes off right away. The TV continues to click on and off. Has anyone had this problem? |
my2cents Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 04:20 pm: |
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talk about burn-in, my company's using a panasonic 42phd6u for about year. everyday it's tuned in CNN chanel, averaging about 7-8hrs a day, and i haven't seen any burn-in or ghosting image at all. now you know why panasonic is the most selling model out there.
Theys said that latest panasonic models have no problem with burn-in issue. they recommend that you don't turn the contrast on at 100% setting when you first watch it. |
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| Posted on Thursday, July 14, 2005 - 09:07 pm: |
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For those of you concidering LCDs, there is one thing to concider. I purchased a 32" Sony wega lcd and after 3-4 days of viewing, I had some serious backlight leakage issues. The corners were conciderably lighter than the middle. Was highly visible in dark scenes, very annoying. Took it back to the store, they checked it out and agreed the display was off. Got another one, watched it for 3-4 days and again the corners were lighter than the rest of the display. After searching the net, I found that there were alot of complaints about this on various LCD makes & models. So I took it back, this time I checked their display model and sure enough it showed the same uneven backlighting. Its a shame because the TV was awesome until that started and this was on a high qualtiy unit not one of the cheaper ones. So, while they may not have burn in, LCDs have issues of their own. |
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| Posted on Tuesday, July 19, 2005 - 04:38 pm: |
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Sony 42" HD Plasma TV PFM-500a3wu Professional monitor.
This Unit Powers up, but does not stay on. You get a glimpse of the picture on occasion for only a fraction of a second, as it cycles through the other inputs I am guessing. Other times I just hear the power supply come on and go through a similar pattern as if it is running into a problem in the power supply and shutting down. The modular power supply is removable for diagnostics and repair, and has an lcd readout for error codes. The unit displays the codes 12, 22. If you know place NY,NJ area were I can repair it,please let me know. |
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Really if you are concerned about burn-in, ghosted images, or just the general reliability of a TV, don't bother with plasma or LCD televisions. Sure, nothing beats the brilliance of a plasma picture when it's working properly, but they're just too unreliable. And LCDs suffer from the "screen door" effect, as well as picture quality degredation in as little as 1,500 hours of use. DLP televisions are definitly the way to go, especially if you want to use your TV for an XBOX, or as a huge computer monitor. In recent tests, a DLP chip suffered no degredation in picture quality or any burn in over a 20 year simulated cycle. In fact, it's impossible for a DLP television to develop burn in because it uses microscopic mirrors to reflect light; not a phosphorus-based technology. Plus they're cheaper than plasma or LCD TVs. What more could you ask for? |
Perrey Z. Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Friday, July 22, 2005 - 02:10 am: |
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Anonymous from July, 22nd, 2005 1:12AM:
Plasmas are the only ones that suffer the screen door effect, NOT LCDs. And they don't loose picture quality in 1,500 hours, that's absurd. Where are you getting that misleading information?
DLPs use lamps that last between 2,000 and 6,000-hours., although most owners had said the lamps on their micro displays had gone out within 1,000-hours. These lamps aren't cheap, their prices range between $300.00 and $500.00 depending on the brand of the unit.
If you like throwing your money away every 6-months in lamps then get a DLP, but what will happen when the manufacturer runs out of thouse lamps, they'll go in backorder and who knows when they'll get them back in stock.
Hopefully someday Texas Instrument or someone else will find a way to make a long-lasting 25,000 hours light buld, and when that happens the technology will be worth it, until that day flat panels with their 50,000 and 60,000-hours lifetime backlights and panels are the only alternatives to the old CRTs.
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read this:
http://www.cybertheater.com/panasonic/panasonic_th_42pwd8uk/
"boosts peak brightness by more than 20% (from prior models) and increases the resistance to static-image burn-in to the same level as CRT displays."
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| Posted on Saturday, July 23, 2005 - 06:38 am: |
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can anyone give me 3 good and bad reasons about which to purchase either plasma or lcd? |
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| Posted on Saturday, July 23, 2005 - 06:41 am: |
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can anyone give me three good and bad reasons about the plasma and lcd's, i don't know which to purchase. Im in australia and want to spend around 5k |
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| Posted on Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 01:47 pm: |
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Just curious if someone could sue these companies and win a law suit because they ruined your T.V. with there logo's burnt in. |
Perrey Z. Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 10:51 pm: |
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Not yet, there's a guy who has a personal website dedicated to this problem.
No lawsuits yet, but time will tell, some high profile lawyer will find out sooner or later how to make money out of this problem and be sure he'll/she'll or they will be suing the networks on behalf of the consumers and at the end, we'll get nothing.
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| Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 03:47 pm: |
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I have a cheaper Sanyo 42" plasma. It's not high-end so I NEVER watch TV in 4:3 mode on my plasma. I have a 36 inch TV downstairs that I watch normal aspect programing on. My plasma is really just for watching movies in 16:9. That's what it's made for, that's what I use it for.
Also I should note that I work in TV post production. Don't worry about CNN or any channel with a ticker at the bottom. These go away about every 8 or 9 minutes for a 3 or 4 minute commercial break. Plus they have moving type. It's a non-issue. If you have burn in (it's actually ghosting) on your plasma from CNN... you need to turn off the TV and get a life. |
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| Posted on Monday, September 19, 2005 - 08:50 pm: |
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http://forum.ecoustics.com/cgi-bin/bbs/show.pl?tpc=2&post=392452#POST392452
Lyn there are many places to buy a plasma in Australia at a relatively reasonable price. I'd recomend looking in the stores for a display you like. It is important to remember WHY an image might look better one different screens tho. An inbuilt Digital Tuner will give you good quality picture becuase the difital image is not converted to Analogure before being converted to digital for display (also 1 less device to connect). Once you know the item you want, use the Austrlian Google engine to find that item cheaper online and then go back to the retailer and get them to price match (Often better service if you need to return the item). Also, think about what devices you want to connet and the best quality connections that are available or will be available. PLEASE REMEBER: Blueray and/or HD-DVD are true HD playabck devices and are probably a year away. Thats real 1920/1080 resolution DVD-style movies. These devices will use DVI/HDMI or Component (Y Pa, Pr) video outputs for best picture. If you only have one DVI/HDMI connection and the kids will want the new XBOX-360 or Playstation 3, then you will have to compromise somewhere.
For Australians: LG's are cheap and are now a pretty good quality display. Fujitsu are still the best but comes with a hefty price tag. For $5K, you can really shop around. |
Bronze Member Username: Casey
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| Posted on Tuesday, September 20, 2005 - 12:35 am: |
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I own the Philips 9630 a , 42 inch panel. One of the great functions is the automatic mode that actually senses any black bars and fills the screen. |
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I believe channels that have logos on the screen all the time will also cause burn in if you watch them a lot. |
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| Posted on Monday, October 03, 2005 - 03:26 pm: |
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I just purchased a Fujitsu plasma (the Mercedes of plasmas), and I have already had some "ghosting" happen from the ESPN logos at the bottom of the screen, as well as from the Comcast logos from their TV guide scroll. The Fujitsu has the "White Screen" washing option, which I put on for a couple of hours from time to time. This washes the entire screen free of any ghosting. Does anyone know the correct way to use the "White Screen" wash, and if it's dangerous to use long-term - Such as, will the plasma source burn out quicker from the prolonged use of the "White Screen"? |
Bronze Member Username: Casey
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| Posted on Tuesday, October 04, 2005 - 12:24 am: |
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Sorry to hear your Mercedes has ghosting. You might be best served by reducing the contrast and the brightness. As far as logos are concerned there a two types , those that are transparent arent that bad, but those that are bright white and not transparent or solid colors should be avoided if possible. I look at it this way commercials can be your friend. They give the plasma a moving image every few minutes rather than a static one. |
Nicci9star Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Tuesday, October 04, 2005 - 10:13 pm: |
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Hey Hack wanted to know how your 42" Sanyo plasma is fairing? I have booked myself one from China which I was told is normally exported to Australia. Does anyone have advice on this brand..I know it not top of its game but the price is.. |
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| Posted on Saturday, October 22, 2005 - 08:25 pm: |
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Plasma displays are most prone to burn-in when they're new. I'd recommend avoiding news tickers and black bars as much as possible for the first 200 hours of operation. Also, set contrast at not over about 50%. |
spikebonbon Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Thursday, November 03, 2005 - 02:51 pm: |
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I recently purchased an NEC 50" online. Fantastic picture and sound. Even the NEC manual says not to watch 4:3 with black bars for extended period of time to prevent burn in. My question is what is extended period of time? Is watching a night of tv too long? I'm also not watching anything with black bars for at least 100 hours of break in.After the break in time I've been told plasmas are as durable as any tv option out there. And you can't beat the viewing angle or picture. |
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