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Username: Mosspa

Dayton, OH
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Post Number: 6
Registered: Dec-04
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Has anybody seen anything more on the Syntax 50" LCoS set. PC Connection is apparently selling it for $1900. I am intrigued by the fact that it has a VGA input that supports 1280x1024. If it does motion well, that would make one hell of a gaming set. Also, one comment about little known Asian companies. Four years ago, nobody ever heard of Apex. Then they started selling $50 DVD players in Circuit City. While not the most feaature laden players, I still have 2 that are a few years old. They play anything and are perfect for the 19-27" sets I have in the spare bedrooms. Anyway, I recently purchased their 27" LCD set for my master bedroom. I've yet to see a "name brand" Japanese LCD that has a comparible picture. So, personally I am not put back by the name Syntax. I would be very interested in hearing more about peoples experiences with their LCoS. I've decided on the JVC for my home theatre, but I wouldn't be adversed to putting a 50" set in my workout/gaming room, especially if I can connect it to my computer at 1280x1024.

Moss
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Username: Mr_lynch

Seattle, WA

Post Number: 390
Registered: Sep-04
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Moss-

Extreme tech reviewed the set. You can read it here: http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1745870,00.asp

I think they were a little hard on it, but if I was trying to stay under 2k for a new set I might have to pick one up.
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Username: Doog

Post Number: 1
Registered: Jan-05
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Mr. Lynch,
I have the 52" dila and in the past week I have had a flash of all green and black picture,which has happened about three times with no other colors. I thought it may be the feed from adelphia but not sure. It last about 2 or 3 seconds then cures itself. Any thoughts if it could be related to previous green issues?
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Username: Mr_lynch

Seattle, WA

Post Number: 391
Registered: Sep-04
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That sounds like an signal issue. I see stuff like that every now and then with Comcast. Does it happen when watching DVDs or sources other than the cable box?
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Username: Kid_red

Post Number: 121
Registered: Apr-04
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BB has the JVC with $650 off. Just a heads up for everyone.
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Mr. Tommer
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Great message board - thank you all - I've just purchased at Best Buy (2709 - Office Depot price match) - it'll be delivered on Saturday!! Now here are the questions

1. Should I pay $399 for Best Buy's 4 year warranty? (my credit card does double the manufacturer's warranty, so I already would have two years parts and labor)
2. How much does it really cost to replace the bulb? (I've heard $300, $500 and $800)
3. If I don't get Best Buy's warranty and something goes wrong outside of warranty - who do I call? Local TV repair guy or some specialist?

Any other advice?

Thanks in advance.
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BackEast
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Gentleman. Just a quick post to let you all know
How impressive this forum is. It's been 4 months that I've been on a quest for the So-Called right TV for myself and my family. As you all know from all the detailed posting you've done its more like a Monkey trying to $%^^&&* well nevermind you get my point. Just wanted to say after all this I will be buying the I-Dila after all. Course Iam preordering the next generation.
Mr Lynch All I can say (Outstanding INFO) .. Kind Reguards
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BackEast
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Correction. lol D-ila If iam going to post might as well get the call letters correct. agian thanks. lmao
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Username: Zoob

Post Number: 9
Registered: Dec-04
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I went into the service menu and found the following settings:

S030 (R drive): 128
S031 (G drive): 128
S032 (B drive): 117

...so red and green were hot! I brought down R and G to 117 and colors look better to me now - at least after a half hour of combined SD, HD, and DVD viewing.

I had completely overlooked these settings when browsing the service manual. Thanks to Mr. Lynch for specifically calling them out.

I'll play around with these settings more over the weekend and let you know what I settle on.

Mike
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Username: Nachoman91

Cincinnati, OH
USA

Post Number: 2
Registered: Dec-04
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Novice here looking to buy this JVC television.

What's the difference between the HD-52Z575 and HD-52Z585?

Both are 52". Is one model better than the other?
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tvshopper
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Nachoman,

The 575 has a silver front and the 585 is all black. Also, the 585 has the Smart Sound option and the 575 does not.
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Hello everyone. I've been following the forum for a little while and guess it's time to join in. I picked up my 52Z575 last week and love it, but I do think I have a couple of problem on my set with an August manufacture date.

I have some of the smuges on the screen people have been talking about, probably 2" x 6" on the left side of the screen. And if I have a dark screen up I see green blossoming from the upper left, lower left, and lower right corners. The upper right corner appears to be more black or purple, with little green. In general, if the picture is not dark, everything looks great. I guess I'm going to need to take some pictures and call JVC.

Mr. Lynch, thanks for all of your excellent input. Could you please send me a copy of the service manual? My e-mail is harveys@nc.rr.com.

I'll let you know how I make out with JVC.
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ELH
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Mr. Lynch,

If you are still willing, would you send me a copy of the service manual?

elh@eceDOTvillDOTedu (replace DOT with . (to reduce spam))

Many thanks,

Ed
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Mr. Lynch,

While we're on the subject again, any chance you could also send me a copy of the service manual? I'll be buying my own 52Z575 in the next month or so.

Thanks,

--Larry
lcunning at insight.rr.com
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Username: Angelog

Post Number: 86
Registered: Nov-04
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Survey Request ...

What do you have hooked to the HDMI port? Cable/Sat or DVD?

All along I've been hooking my DVD to the HDMI port, but last night I switched and put the Comcast Cable on HDMI and went to component on the DVD at 480p.

I believe there is some strange interaction going on with the HDMI input and upscaling DVD players that exasperates some color decoding issues. I love the smoothness of the Sony upscaler, but going into the HDMI it's hard to be satisfied with the colors.

So, I'm going to flip the inputs for a little while and live with it and see how this performs.

I'll report findings .. <g>

Ang

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tvshopper
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I have my Toshiba DVD player hooked up to the HDMI. I do not notice any of the color aberrations that you report.
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Bill R.
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Angelo,

I have a few DVD questions. Purchased the 52Z585 Jan1. My Sony DVP-NC665P is connected to Input-1 (Component). With both 480i & 480p output, I am getting the grey bars top & bottom. None of the available aspect settings will fix this. If I want to remove the grey bars, must I purchase one of the upconverting DVDs with 720P output?

Thanks,

Bill R.
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Username: Sailbyte

Post Number: 16
Registered: Dec-04
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I use DVI->HDMI for my Comcast connection and component (my only option) to my JVC DVD player. From what I can tell, the JVC DVD only outputs 480P -- but, with the DVD player set to wide (16:9) screen -- I have no top/bottom/side grey bar issues.

I also have my Comcast Motorola DCT6412 DVR 4:3 Override set to "OFF". This lets the 52z575 do all the upscaling and has the major added bonus of showing 4:3 SD broadcasts with black side bars (as opposed to JVC's light grey bars). Of course, I have the DVR output 720P for HD broadcasts.
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Username: Juan_sarda

Miami, Fl
USA

Post Number: 3
Registered: Jan-05
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Just left Barndsmart in Miami Fl they have HD-61Z575 or 585 61" for aprrox $3700 with instant $500 rebate, comes out to Little over $3200, just dont look at them there they have a terrible hook up, pictures look really bad and will steer away anyone who doesnt know any better, they aslo offer 4 or 5 year warranty for $399. To really see them good go to a sears they have good hookups, at least here in miami
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Username: Juan_sarda

Miami, Fl
USA

Post Number: 4
Registered: Jan-05
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Correction Brandsmart in Miami
I'am waiting for the HD-70G886 in March, hope it comes in at a reasonable price
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Username: Angelog

Post Number: 87
Registered: Nov-04
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Bill,

I'm not familiar with that player, but it should have a 16:9/4:3 TV aspect ratio setting someplace.

Also, it may have it's own "Full screen modes" similiar to the JVC's. You'll want that is Normal or Full .. depending on what they call it.

My 1st guess would be the 16:9 setting isn't set correctly in conjunction with your JVC screen mode being incorrect.

Ang
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Bill R.
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Angelo,

Thanks for the quick reply about Sony DVD aspect ratios. I will check/revise this evening. Also, is the PQ improvment in the 720p DVD players worth upgrading from 480p?

Bill R.
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Username: Angelog

Post Number: 88
Registered: Nov-04
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Bill,

http://www.docs.sony.com/release/DVPNC665P.pdf

Looks like your DVD has a lot of the controls mine does (excellent).

I'd set it to Progressive Cinema (pg 18)
I'd set the color mode to Cinema2 (pg 55) .. or Memory and set it up custom
I'd set black levels to OFF and set TV Type to 16:9 (pg 63).

Ang
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Username: Angelog

Post Number: 89
Registered: Nov-04
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>> Also, is the PQ improvment in the 720p DVD players worth upgrading from 480p?

I've been having a problem getting a proper color balance using 720p upconversion via HDMI from various players (could just be my set).

Ang
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DazedAndConfused
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Hey Guy's. Quick question in the bestbuy in my erea has the HD52Z575 for $4499.00 I've seen it on mutiple site's for as low as $2500.00 I'm a tad confused. I've seen quite a few postings that ealier model's prior to the Aug had some issues could it be the best buy has the newer models with most of the color issue's worked out. If anybody has a clue would you mind posting if you have heard. Thanks for a Newbie.
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Dazed & Confused, where do you live, are there any bestbuys near you? $4499 little to much
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Username: Markus

Post Number: 30
Registered: Nov-04
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Dazed,

BESTBUY is selling the 52Z575 for $2850 online right now. Are you sure you weren't looking at the 61 inch??? I purchased my 575 over a month ago for $2700 and bought the 4 year warranty for $400.

Mark
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Username: Glo_bo

Post Number: 8
Registered: Dec-04
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I would like a service manual also, seems like alot of us would. Does anyone have one to share besides Mr. Lynch. Is it in a pdf format we can post for everyone. I know how to optimize docs for quick download.
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Username: Condor

Post Number: 48
Registered: Oct-04
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Sailbyte a Big Thank You !!!!!!!!!!!
A jem of a setting in your post! Not only is this forum informative for potential buyers of the JVC it is also usefull for current owners.

I use component not DVI>HDMI from my set top box to the JVC but this works fine with my setup too.

I reset my Motorola DVR 6412 with the 4:3 overide set to off and low and behold, Black side bars instead of Grey! (We all like black better)

To all who have the Motorola 6412 you access the menu by pressing power and then menu within 5 seconds. After changing your settings press power, then power again. That's it!

Reposted from Sailbytes post:

I use DVI->HDMI for my Comcast connection and component (my only option) to my JVC DVD player. From what I can tell, the JVC DVD only outputs 480P -- but, with the DVD player set to wide (16:9) screen -- I have no top/bottom/side grey bar issues.

I also have my Comcast Motorola DCT6412 DVR 4:3 Override set to "OFF". This lets the 52z575 do all the upscaling and has the major added bonus of showing 4:3 SD broadcasts with black side bars (as opposed to JVC's light grey bars). Of course, I have the DVR output 720P for HD broadcasts.
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Username: Dmako

Post Number: 92
Registered: Nov-04
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And a BIG thanks from me too!

RE:"I use DVI->HDMI for my Comcast connection and component (my only option) to my JVC DVD player. From what I can tell, the JVC DVD only outputs 480P -- but, with the DVD player set to wide (16:9) screen -- I have no top/bottom/side grey bar issues.

I also have my Comcast Motorola DCT6412 DVR 4:3 Override set to "OFF". This lets the 52z575 do all the upscaling and has the major added bonus of showing 4:3 SD broadcasts with black side bars (as opposed to JVC's light grey bars). Of course, I have the DVR output 720P for HD broadcasts."

Black side bars!! not a deal breaker, but like better than gray.

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Username: Mr_lynch

Seattle, WA

Post Number: 394
Registered: Sep-04
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Sailbyte-

Way to go man!!! I switched my Motorola box 4:3 override to "off" and I get blacks bars. Post of the year!!! My wife hates the gray bars and she noticed instantly when watching one of her shows.
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rzm
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my local Best Buy has has the 52z575 for 2777, and I have a 10% off coupon that was mailed for a sale they are having this weekend.....online the best deal from a JVC authorized dealer is onecall.com....with shipping the end price is 2700...just have to click on the check price to see the discount

gotta admit that some of these posts are making me wonder if I should go for it....other possibility is the sony 55xs model that just came out....dont care for the floating speaker look on the sides but it's got two hdmi in's and I haven't heard of many issues yet

hmmmm....jvc or sony?????
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Username: Condor

Post Number: 49
Registered: Oct-04
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Got my JVC 52" at Sears with a price match and on a 10% off everthing day for $ 2450.00 + tax + $40 delivery.

Afterwards, while looking for an AVR reciever the local store "Video Only" (that gave me the 2850 price I used at Sears for the price match) said they would match Sears $2450, If I haven't taken delivery yet. (I didn't accept, no advantage and I didn't want to "burn" the really nice Sears salesman)

I believe you can purchase the 52" JVC for $ 2450 from your local store and avoid the possible pitfalls and high freight costs of purchasing online. Tell the store to take it or leave it! Be prepared to walk! Don't be surprised if the manager runs after you to close the deal.

Use your Visa or Amex premium card for a free "double the manufacturers warranty", extends the JVC to 2 year warranty at no additional cost.

JVC has a better picture than Sony hands down.
Sony quality has suffered over the past 10 years in my opinion.
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Username: Sailbyte

Post Number: 17
Registered: Dec-04
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To all (re: black side bars), glad I could help. The funny thing is, the first time I noticed it was after I applied all the settings posted by Mr. Lynch (many thanks) -- and for a while I thought it had something to do with the settings. Then (just before my post) I noticed in the DVR manual (http://broadband.motorola.com/dvr/dct6412.asp >> user guides) the following:

4:3 Override Sets the display format for 4:3 standard-definition programming... OFF displays non-high-definition programs having a 4:3
aspect ratio in wide screen format. On an HDTV, black bars display on the left and right of the picture.

For all you have done for me in helping me choose and configure my JVC, I am glad I could help too.
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DazedAndConfused
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Thank's guy. It was the 61inch that the sales person quoted me. BestBuy has it for $2850.00

I'm sure after I purchase it I'll be back with some question's. Seems to me that out of the box it will need some tweeking. I have comcast and they say the HD box is HDMI is there anything I should know while connceting it. My DVD player is old so I'm not going to bother connecting it. I'll wait and get a new one. Suggestions's on one that's in the $200-$400 range that will play well with this TV and If so what would you suggest the best hook-up to be. I'm not sure if I should run everything thru my Onkyo reciever It's new and has all the latest and greatest features and last but not least. Sony's PS2 that we have how would you handle that hook-up will only us it for games not anything esle. thanks agian from a NewBie..
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Username: Condor

Post Number: 51
Registered: Oct-04
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I have a Panasonic S35 dvd player that I picked up at Frye's Electronics about 18 months ago for 59 bucks after rebates. Hooked up to my Harman Kardon AVR 235 via component, and the HK to the JVC via component. (All hookups on my setup are component)
The Panasonic DVD picture quality is near High Def.
No green problems, absolutely A-1 picture quality.
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Username: Sailbyte

Post Number: 18
Registered: Dec-04
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DazedAndConfused

I got a DVI -> HDMI cable online at RAM electronics to connect my Comcast DVR to my JVC -- I am very happy. If you have all JVC components (audio + TV + DVD) you can use Compulink for one-button power-on, but the 52z575 is hardwired for video input 1 -- you still have to manually select digital in for the HDMI connection (I got my JVC DVD on-line for $69 and have been happy).
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Username: Ahseng

Bay Area, CA
USA

Post Number: 5
Registered: Jan-05
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Sailbyte and Jim:
Thanks for the tips with the Motorola 6412 setting that turn the gray bar to the black bar. My kids like the black much better than the grey bars.

I have a question on Comcast's analog channels. My analogs channel on the JVC does not have as good a PQ as the Directv. The analog channel picture is a little noisy and not as sharp. Comcast digital channels are great. Do you think it is because the comcast signal is weak in my house or the noise is an inherent with analog signal? How is Comcast's analog channel PQ on your JVC?

Also with the 6412, I noticed at times the picture will freeze for no reason. The problem is solve by changing channel and back again. Anyone has this problem?

Thanks.
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Username: Condor

Post Number: 52
Registered: Oct-04
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Comcast analog is channels 1-99 and picture quality is not that good, but acceptable.

Digital channels are 100 and above with some being High Def. Picture quality is very good to awesome on HD.

Freezing, I am assuming your "freezing" is happening on digital or high def channels. If so, you might be experiencing tiling as well (little squares). This can be caused by a weak signal. I removed a splitter in my cable and have not had the problem since. Splitters can reduce the signal by 3.5 db (I think that term is correct) and cause problems.
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Username: Ahseng

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Post Number: 6
Registered: Jan-05
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Jim, thanks for responding. I did find the link, after my previous post, regarding the picture freezing. Apparently the problem does happen on some 6412 and maybe due to weak signal. Do you know there is a way to check for signal strength with the 6412?
Anyway here is the link to all these:
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,12127952~mode=flat
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Username: Sailbyte

Post Number: 20
Registered: Dec-04
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Ahseng:

I haven't tried it yet this moring, but the thread you referenced does describe how to check signal strength on the DVR:

Check the SNR on diagnostic screen 4. It should say good or at least fair. If it says fair or poor it may freeze and pixel occasionaly. Check this by:

1. Tune to a digital channel.

2. Turn the box off (leave tv on) and immediately press
the ok/select button.

3. Scroll down to #4 and press ok

4. Press the power button twice to turn the box back on.

Personally, I have had similar problems -- split screen on power-up until I change DVR channel and brief periods of loss of audio when watching HDTV. The audio is obviously not associated with my JVC 52x575 -- since sound goes directly to the surround Amp, and at one point I had multiple video inputs and switching JVC inputs did not correct the split screen -- only changing the DVR.
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Username: Hdguy

Post Number: 5
Registered: Dec-04
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Mr Lynch,

Wouldn't mind a copy of the service manual myself. If you would and my email service has enough room, would you send it to gerrywade@usa.net. I would greatly appreciate it.
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Username: Mr_lynch

Seattle, WA

Post Number: 396
Registered: Sep-04
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ahseng-

For the analog channels try using the JVC tuner instead of the cable box. I use a coax splitter with one output going to the cable box, and the other going to the JVC tuner (coax input). This allows me to use the PIP, and the analog channels come in with a little less noise when I switch to the "tuner" input.

Gerry-
it is on the way.
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Username: Rex

Post Number: 1
Registered: Oct-04
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Angelog,
Somewhere you indicated that you have the service manual for the JVC hd-52z585 or hd-52z585. At the JVC site they list two service manuals for the same TV:
LCT1611-001A-A and
LCT1612-001A-A Which one is correct?
Thanks Rex
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Username: Rex

Post Number: 2
Registered: Oct-04
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On the hd-52z585 and I guess the hd-52z575
They have a center speaker input which is used for output from a receiver. The center speaker input is a RCA connector. Is it directly attached to the TV speaker? Do I use the receiver center speaker output. If it is attached directly attached to the TV speaker would any know if it is 4 ohm or 8 ohm impedenace?
I am asking if anyone knows how to use it.
Thanks Rex
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Username: Angelog

Post Number: 90
Registered: Nov-04
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Ed,

Nope .. I got the one for the 575 that Mr. L that sent me.

>> Sailbyte and the tale of the black bars

Beautiful Dude!! Love that setting.

>> Tweeking the green out

Well, I ventured into the service manual this weekend. Some of the settings I couldn't adjust since they call for a HD component source for the test signals .. and my DVD player will only output HD via HDMI.

Anyway, a couple things I learned.

#1) The manual was obviously a mediocre translation .. so it took me a little white to figure out what they are doing. In many settings, they tell you to set setting S0001 to various values. This puts the TV into different display/diagnostic modes .. so you'll set S0001 to something .. then check a settins and then put it back to value=0 after the test.

#2) Looking at the built in convergence pattern, I've got what I'd call pixel bleed .. i.e. the pattern doesn't line up directly with a pixel and the adjustments are for only 1 pixel each. If this was an older LCD computer monitor, I would be trying to adjust the "phase" which would move the entire bitmap across the pixel grid at a subpixel level. I didn't find any such adjustment.

#3) Following the manuals suggestions, I set Blue at 128 (mid value) and while feeding in an 80% white screen from DVE, was able to adjust a very neutral white with very minimum red and green phasing. That was just to get it close.

#4) While watching HD Football playoffs (packers' uniform was great), Return of the King (recorded HD on PVR) and Master and Commander (DVD), I continued to fine tune.

I've got it pretty darn good IMO and to a point that's hard to complain about .. even for me <g>. I've got good tint with a 0 setting in the JVC main menu.

The nice thing about the Service menu adjustment for tint control is that it is very unabtrusive .. just a little text in the upper left corner .. or in otherwords .. I got no complaints from the other viewers as I made my tweeks during our viewing.

1 recomendation though (which I didn't do)...

Before you change any settings, go thru each one and write down the current setting. Many of mine weren't set to the default values as indicated in the manual and in the darkness I accidentally hit the MUTE button .. so what they were set to prior is lost.

Ang

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Username: Kpfiredpt

Post Number: 1
Registered: Jan-05
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Hi everyone! I,m new to your forum and i was thinking about buying a JVC HD-61Z575 @ about $6500.00 here in Canada but i'm not sure after reading some of your posts. We dont get HD here in my area just regular sat. will that be a prob?
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Username: Condor

Post Number: 53
Registered: Oct-04
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Mr. Lynch,

You said:
>>For the analog channels try using the JVC tuner instead of the cable box. I use a coax splitter with one output going to the cable box, and the other going to the JVC tuner (coax input). <<

I tried this for a couple weeks and (I think) the splitter was reducing my Comcast Signal strength. I was getting tiling and broken up audio at times on HD stations. I have since removed the splitter and the frequencing of tiling and broken up audio is significantly reduced, although the analog stations are not as good.
Also, using my new Harmony remote it is not possible to automatically change feed input to JVC coax input for channels 1-99 and Video 1 for 100+. Doing this manually would just confuse other users.

I wonder if a signal filter or amplifier would help improve the signal (I have a 70 foot run to my tv from the cable installation outside, don't want to put a powered amp out there, so I would have it at the tv)
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tvshopper
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Hello All,

Today they replaced a board in my TV and the problem I had with no audio through the HDMI connection from my Tosh DVD is fixed!

A question....I am playing my Motorola STB through the component feeds and even though my 4:3 overide setting is Off, I still get the gray sidebars. Does this only work if the STB is through the HDMI input?
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Username: Mr_lynch

Seattle, WA

Post Number: 397
Registered: Sep-04
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I run component cables from my Motorola STB to my TV. With the 4:3 override off, I get black bars. With it at 480i/480p the bars are gray.
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