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Thread: Pansat 2500a help |
   
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| Posted on Wednesday, June 08, 2005 - 12:45 pm: |
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how would i put the key on bell xpress vu? please help |
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| Posted on Thursday, June 09, 2005 - 09:12 pm: |
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LK How do I get Nagra2? |
   
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| Posted on Thursday, June 09, 2005 - 10:21 pm: |
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can only get nagra2 by SUBSRIBING! |
   
New member Username: Fuggie
Bush Hall St. Michael Barbados
Post Number: 4 Registered: Jun-05
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| Posted on Thursday, June 09, 2005 - 10:35 pm: |
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hi my pansat 2500A is giving me some trouble it is downloading data over and over sometime not functioning after some time downloading probly the auto-roll can some 1 help me if so keys is the problem send some new 1s for me HELP. |
   
AJ Messier Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Thursday, June 09, 2005 - 10:45 pm: |
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Help please. I need new updated codes for my Pansat 2500a receiver. My receiver has been down all day. It appears to download data but gets hung up around 800%. I've tried turning off the box and turning back on but that doesn't appear to work. Please help with the codes. Thank You. Adam |
   
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| Posted on Friday, June 10, 2005 - 03:22 pm: |
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both level and quality are strong, but no pic is received. messaage ... scrambled or bad channels. All happen in bell express V and dishnetwork. What kind of key do i need change. Pls tell me... |
   
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| Posted on Friday, June 10, 2005 - 03:30 pm: |
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read the "latest and current keys" thread |
   
Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Friday, June 10, 2005 - 05:18 pm: |
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i did key in the latest Key but still not working.What should i do???? |
   
Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Friday, June 10, 2005 - 06:24 pm: |
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i have the same problem as lawleescrambled or bad channels.i used the latest keys but nothing. |
   
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| Posted on Friday, June 10, 2005 - 06:45 pm: |
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Ed...then U screwed up...the manual input of the latest DISHNET keys done EXACTLY as I posted fixes it all lawlee...what keys do U think U need to change?...your house keys?...DISHNET keys! did U do a reset,after the keys?...EXACTLY as posted in manually changing the keys.. |
   
New member Username: Kikay
Post Number: 1 Registered: Jun-05
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| Posted on Saturday, June 11, 2005 - 03:53 pm: |
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hi just want to know if anyone has the v246 file
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New member Username: Kikay
Post Number: 2 Registered: Jun-05
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| Posted on Saturday, June 11, 2005 - 04:18 pm: |
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hi pepe and juan...any news about the abs?
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NICKIEPOO 69 Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 05:16 am: |
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My panset is locked up it said down loading 450% to un lock got to kill power It wass suposted to have auto roll done. |
   
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| Posted on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 10:01 am: |
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the blocker on the auto roll got hit so u have to entry key manuel. |
   
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| Posted on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 11:33 am: |
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U can use the NEW pansat 2500 autoroll 6-11...it works good..it will autoroll...if the picture freezes (it does for some,not all) on the new autoroll 6-11, just go to the first 2 digits of BOTH key 00 and key 01 and change them back to what they are suppose to be...that will permanently fix any pix freezing.. |
   
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| Posted on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 11:52 am: |
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BELL AUX0 82 D7 51 E4 5B 97 9D 81 Active AUX1 65 57 46 14 36 02 D8 DA DISH KEY0 02 7E A9 9B E5 07 A0 EA Active KEY1 D5 66 C4 72 AE D0 60 B7 |
   
New member Username: Vanmar
Nassau,
Bahamas
Bahamas
Post Number: 8 Registered: Jun-05
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| Posted on Monday, June 13, 2005 - 10:29 pm: |
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I just program my dish this afternoon and the thing went dowm again, do anyone have the latest codes for to night, please send me e-mail, thanks |
   
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| Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 01:27 am: |
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key 0 34 12 b8 ed 07 a7 cb c8 |
   
New member Username: Phoenix68
Queen creek ,
Arizona
Usa
Post Number: 1 Registered: Jun-05
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| Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 01:44 am: |
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hello all new here, anyone looking for new keys should try this web site .www.maestra.tv/keys.com hope it works . |
   
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| Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 02:05 am: |
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Done all of the above, Key is not working. Continues to data download. I have old auto roll. I guess I am looking for the 6-11 auto-roll download now. Do I need to join a paid DSS site to get the download? Thanks |
   
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| Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 02:05 am: |
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Done all of the above, Key is not working. Continues to data download. I have old auto roll. I guess I am looking for the 6-11 auto-roll download now. Do I need to join a paid DSS site to get the download? Thanks |
   
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| Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 02:15 am: |
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june 13 thanks, I tried yours and worked. Tried many today! Also, Rick the link you posted does not work. I still will need to downlaod a new auto roll I think or I will be here again in 48 hours, |
   
New member Username: Phoenix68
Queen creek ,
Arizona
Usa
Post Number: 2 Registered: Jun-05
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| Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 02:25 am: |
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this link should work. http://maestra.tv/keys/.I just went there and is working ok. |
   
New member Username: Jasache
MIAMI,
FL
Post Number: 1 Registered: Jun-05
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| Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 09:51 am: |
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HOW CAN I DOWN LOAD THE AUTO ROLL 6/11 FOR MY PANSAT |
   
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| Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 10:34 am: |
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Maestra is giving the code for Jun 10. Can someone post the new code? Thanks |
   
New member Username: Jasache
MIAMI,
FL
Post Number: 2 Registered: Jun-05
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| Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 10:54 am: |
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am new to this.. can someone give me instructions on how to down load a auto roll program for my pansat..thank u |
   
New member Username: Vpolo
Post Number: 7 Registered: Mar-05
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| Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 11:06 am: |
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Hi Guys Can someone tell me how to download the new autoroll bin please. and how to install it on my pansat 2500A Thanks, my email is vpolo77@hotmail.com |
   
New member Username: Jasache
MIAMI,
FL
Post Number: 3 Registered: Jun-05
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| Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 12:02 pm: |
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my email is jasache@yahoo.com..i would really appreciated if someone could give me instructions on how to down load the new autoroll for my pansat..thanks |
   
New member Username: Bluesi00
Post Number: 1 Registered: Jun-05
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| Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 12:42 pm: |
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i have a newbie question. when u guys put this DISH KEY0 02 7E A9 9B E5 07 A0 EA Active KEY1 D5 66 C4 72 AE D0 60 B7 i know i put the first code on the dish network part, but where do i put the other code?? sorry for this dumb question.
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| Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 02:28 pm: |
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you only enter the active one in ...the other key should already be entered. |
   
New member Username: Jasache
MIAMI,
FL
Post Number: 5 Registered: Jun-05
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| Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 02:51 pm: |
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CAN SOMEONE GIVE ME THE NEW KEYS FOR MY PANSA..THANK YOU |
   
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| Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 04:21 pm: |
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KEY0: 8E F3 9F 87 40 C9 E2 46 |
   
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| Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 04:51 pm: |
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key 00 8f f3 9f 87 40 c9 e2 46 thanks to tina |
   
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| Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 05:34 pm: |
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New Keys Key 0: 8D F3 9F 87 40 C9 E2 46 kEY 1: 0B 97 B4 37 5E 3F BE 81 |
   
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| Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 05:45 pm: |
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New Pansat 2500 autoroll bin go to dsscommunity com click on "File Share" on the left drop down the "Quick Jump To" menu and select Pasat 2500 the first file is what you want X-85BL_110605_apieub
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Bronze Member Username: Timscarlet
Dayton,
Oh
Usa
Post Number: 36 Registered: Feb-05
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| Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 05:56 pm: |
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i have got a cd of all the pansat files and upgrades and channel lists, about 20 of them, all you will ever need. let me know if you are interested. tim |
   
New member Username: Jasache
MIAMI,
FL
Post Number: 6 Registered: Jun-05
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| Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 06:12 pm: |
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thank you for the keys..do i need a specific cable from my pc to the box? |
   
New member Username: Jasache
MIAMI,
FL
Post Number: 7 Registered: Jun-05
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| Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 06:20 pm: |
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bob thanks a lot for showing me how to get the rollover files for my pansat.. i down loaded it what do i do now?? sorry for the stupid ? but am new to this.. |
   
stack from pa Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 07:07 pm: |
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key codes 00 8f f3 9f 87 40 c9 e2 46 |
   
New member Username: J_yogi
Wpg,
Mb
Can
Post Number: 2 Registered: Jun-05
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| Posted on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 07:28 pm: |
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Hello it' not 8f it's 8E |
   
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| Posted on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 12:32 am: |
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I put in 8f and it works fine. |
   
jeff todd Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 12:38 am: |
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woops, previous poster was correct as I did check again and I did not put in 8f,,,it is "8E" so the code is 8e f3 9f 87 40 c9 e2 46 for this immediate moment anyway. |
   
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| Posted on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 12:43 am: |
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HOW CAN I CHANGE TO NAGRA 2 |
   
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| Posted on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 02:54 am: |
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Can someone help me find the new autoroll for pansat 2500. i don't know where and what to do. many thanks |
   
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| Posted on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 12:10 pm: |
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someone can tell where I can download auto-roll for my pansat 2500A. I had old one and it doesn't work anymore. I put new key the other day, but just work a couple of days. I really need new auto-roll software. thanks. |
   
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| Posted on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 01:17 pm: |
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Reapeat info from above, and this worked great thank to all of the folks who post to help. I had to run this twice to get it to work but I knew you had to be right if your was working. New Pansat 2500 autoroll bin go to dsscommunity com click on "File Share" on the left drop down the "Quick Jump To" menu and select Pasat 2500 the first file is what you want X-85BL_110605_apieub I also had to reenter channels to get this up and going |
   
New member Username: Jasache
MIAMI,
FL
Post Number: 8 Registered: Jun-05
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| Posted on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 02:28 pm: |
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DO I NEED A SPECIAL CABLE FROM MY COMPUTER TO THE PANSAT BOX TO TRANSFER THE PROGRAM..CAN SOMEONE HELP ME WITH THIS..THANK U |
   
New member Username: Jasache
MIAMI,
FL
Post Number: 9 Registered: Jun-05
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| Posted on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 02:34 pm: |
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I DOWN LOAD THE AUTO ROLL PROGRAM WHAT DO I DO NOW. HELP??? |
   
Silver Member Username: Maple_leaf
Post Number: 391 Registered: Apr-05
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| Posted on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 02:35 pm: |
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MTY Unregistered guest Posted on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 12:43 am: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HOW CAN I CHANGE TO NAGRA 2 Call Dishnet or Bell Expressvu. They can fix up for sure. Because you can't read that good.
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Newcummer Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 05:29 pm: |
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Read a lot of your posting LK, very helpful I have one little problem, wondering if you can help me. I downloaded the new file -85BL_110605_apieub Receiver working fine, but it is freezing up a lot. Any suggestion Newcummer.
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Silver Member Username: Jmill1948
Chester,
Va
Usa
Post Number: 684 Registered: Apr-04
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| Posted on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 10:47 pm: |
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john you need a serial port cable |
   
Bronze Member Username: Timscarlet
Dayton,
Oh
Usa
Post Number: 45 Registered: Feb-05
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| Posted on Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 12:06 am: |
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CD THAT HAS EVERYTHING YOU NEED: AUTOROLL BIN FILES PANSAT, FORTEC, COOLSATT, AND OTHERS SOFTWARE TO UPDATE THESE RECEIVERS AND CHANNEL LISTS FOR DISH NETWK CHANNELS. HOW TO VIDEOS AND PICS, STEP BY STEP TO INSTALL YOUR RECEIVER TO GET FREE DISH NETWK CHANNELS OPEN WIDE, PAY PER VIEW, MOVIE CHANNELS, ALL OF THEM. IF YOU NEED THIS INFO I GOT FROM HOURS OF GATHERING FROM THE INTERNET, EMAIL ME, IT COMES WITH MY PERSONAL EMAIL SUPPORT. TIM |
   
Mordorville Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 12:12 am: |
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Anybody have new keys?? |
   
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| Posted on Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 12:48 am: |
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Please help I can't find the QUICK JUMP under FILE SHARE. ---go to dsscommunity com click on "File Share" on the left drop down the "Quick Jump To" menu and select Pasat 2500 the first file is what you want X-85BL_110605_apieub I have the old program in my computer that has the pansat info that you use the cable wire to reboot. Please help. I'm very bad with computers and downlaoding things. My email is beautygirl4@sbcglobal.net. thank you so much |
   
superguest Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 01:17 am: |
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theres something wrong with my 2500A i entered the new key and it said data is being downloaded but then it froze @ a certain percent. i have no idea whats going on. can someone clear that up. thanks |
   
Bronze Member Username: Timscarlet
Dayton,
Oh
Usa
Post Number: 53 Registered: Feb-05
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| Posted on Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 01:47 am: |
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This CD contains the automatic key finder to download to your receiver, and never input keys manually again. It automatically finds the new key when channels go blank. Everytime. Also included are the programs of Getkey and Keymaster, to bring up the latest keys in case you need to input keys manually. Just in case. THIS CD also contains INSTRUCTIONS and SOFTWARE for the PANSAT 2500A FREE TO AIR RECEIVER! AND NOW OTHER RECEIVERS LIKE THE PANSAT 2700, COOLSATT 4000, FORTEC ULTRA, PANTEC, ARIZA CYCLONE AND BLACKBIRD. EVERYTHING IN ONE PLACE, EVERYTHING ON ONE DISC!! Get the channel lists you need to see Dish Network the same as the others do like this: 149 Fox Sports World 150 Speed Channel 151 Outdoor Life 152 College Sports TV 153 Outdoor Chan 158 FUSE 159 SI TV 160 MTV 161 MTV 2 162 VH-1 163 VH-1 Classics 166 Country Music 167 GAC 168 Spike TV 169 Noggin 170 Nick - East 171 Nick - West 172 Disney - East 173 Disney - West 174 Toon Disney 175 Boomerang 176 Cartoon Network 177 Nick GAS 178 Nicktoons 179 Discovery Kids 180 ABC Family 181 PAX TV 182 Discovery Channel 260Trinity Broad. 261 Eternal Word 262 Sky Angel 264 Wisdom 300 HBO - East 301 HBO2 - East 302 HBO Signature 303 HBO - West 304 HBO2 - West 305 HBO - Family 307 HBO - Comedy 309 HBO - Latino 310 Cinemax - East 311 Cinemax - West 312 MoreMax 313 Action Max 314 5 Star Max 318 Showtime - East 319 Showtime - West 320 Showtime - Too 321 Showtime - Show. 322 Showtime - Extr. 323 Showtime - Beyond 327 TMC - East 328 TMC Xtra - East 329 TMC - West 330 TMC Xtra - West 332 Sundance 333 Flix 340 Encore - East 341 Encore - West 342 Encore - Western 343 Encore - Action 344 Encore - Mystery 345 Encore - True St. 346 Encore - Love 347 Encore - WAM 350 Starz! - East 351 Starz! - West 352 Starz! - Theater 353 Starz! - Cin. East 354 Starz! - Cin. West 355 Black Starz! 356 Starz! - Family Get all Dish Network channels, wide open, for free!! Cool!! YOU WILL ALSO GET HOW TO VIDEOS AND STEP BY STEP PICS OF SCREEN SHOTS OF MENUS ON TV SCREEN ON HOW TO PROGRAM YOUR RECEIVER. COOL. GET ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED HERE BECAUSE I WILL GIVE FREE EMAIL SUPPORT FOR YOUR SOFTWARE THAT YOU RECEIVE!! THIS IS A HOBBY OF MINE, I HAVE GATHERED ALL THIS INFO FROM HOURS OF WORK MYSELF, AND MADE IT INTO A CD THAT WILL GET YOUR TV UP AND RUNNING. AND I CANNOT STRESS ENOUGH ABOUT EMAIL SUPPORT, I WILL DO IT. YOU WILL FIND IT VERY USEFUL WITH YOUR CD AND YOUR RECEIVER. |
   
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| Posted on Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 08:15 am: |
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I need some help here. Last night, I was channel surfing when ALL my channels now say "scrambled or bad channel" so I deleted everything and did a Satellite Scan from the Installation menu. I'm still niot getting chsnnels. Is there a setting in the installation menu that needs to be set? I bought this from a friend, but the guy is a BIG TIME jerk who belittles me so I want to get info from here |
   
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| Posted on Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 03:41 pm: |
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Hi LK, How to install the autoroll and where can I get the autoroll. What is the house key ? What is the Bell express V Key and disnet key. And how to set into the Pansat 2500A. Pls help me to fix it, I am really appreciated |
   
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| Posted on Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 06:20 pm: |
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who said there is no autoroll f. 2500a? yes there is. |
   
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| Posted on Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 06:29 pm: |
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LK u should know that. |
   
jeff todd Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 10:57 pm: |
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new keys are d6 a9 88 7c 81 53 ee e6 and the key to enter it under if that makes sense is 01 this time NOT 00. |
   
New member Username: Kingb
Post Number: 1 Registered: Jun-05
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| Posted on Friday, June 17, 2005 - 01:56 am: |
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Hello. I downloaded 2 autorolls for Pansat 2500A. These are X-85BL_110605_apieub and X-85BL_050614_248_api(N). Which is the correct one that will work? |
   
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| Posted on Friday, June 17, 2005 - 12:30 pm: |
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Newcummer new file -85BL_110605_apieub it is freezing up because autoroll scan wrong number. the 2nd digit of the first number was wrong . you have to put in by manual. it will fix the problem.
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| Posted on Friday, June 17, 2005 - 12:43 pm: |
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X-85BL_050614_248_ |
   
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| Posted on Friday, June 17, 2005 - 03:49 pm: |
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have pansat 2500a u have 2 change keys before down loading dishnet |
   
New member Username: Kingb
Post Number: 2 Registered: Jun-05
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| Posted on Friday, June 17, 2005 - 04:03 pm: |
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Need new keys for Pansat 2500A |
   
clouuie Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Friday, June 17, 2005 - 05:42 pm: |
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same same gotaaaa get the new roll over.. help for now thanks.. New keys needed ..2:30pm pacific time |
   
jeff todd Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Saturday, June 18, 2005 - 04:24 am: |
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Anyone have the new keys for today? |
   
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| Posted on Saturday, June 18, 2005 - 02:01 pm: |
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Picture freezing is caused when AFTER u use an autoroll flash,and the keys autoroll...the keys are NOT rolling correctly and the first 2 digits of EACH key are corrupt,so U must manually enter the first 2 digits of EACH/BOTH keys AFTER the autoroll "rolls". |
   
New member Username: Papajim006
Benton,
IL
USA
Post Number: 1 Registered: Jun-05
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| Posted on Saturday, June 18, 2005 - 02:09 pm: |
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hey dooby thanks for the numbers works good |
   
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| Posted on Saturday, June 18, 2005 - 02:16 pm: |
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the "numbers" (KEYS) are posted at www.maestra.tv/keys or the front page at www.hashhu.com oe www.dss-newbies.net or any reputable site...or can get directly from your computer by downloading the keymaster.exe file/program from any of those sites as well. |
   
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| Posted on Monday, June 20, 2005 - 03:55 pm: |
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Can somebody tell me the new key codes for pansat2500 ? Thanks so much |
   
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| Posted on Monday, June 20, 2005 - 03:55 pm: |
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Can somebody tell me the new key codes for pansat2500 ? Thanks so much |
   
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| Posted on Monday, June 20, 2005 - 04:51 pm: |
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key 0, F8 77 B9 93 B7 CF EF 5C |
   
New member Username: Papajim006
Benton,
IL
USA
Post Number: 2 Registered: Jun-05
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| Posted on Monday, June 20, 2005 - 05:00 pm: |
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Thank you for the numbers anonymous |
   
johnny bright Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Monday, June 20, 2005 - 11:15 pm: |
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i have a 2500a and i can not get any channels that have new movies. i need to know how to get this back up and running |
   
San Francisco Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Tuesday, June 21, 2005 - 03:00 am: |
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Where and how can I (new user) get the latest bin for Pansat 2500A. Thank you in advance :-)
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| Posted on Tuesday, June 21, 2005 - 04:13 pm: |
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New keys 01- 1C 41 32 39 F9 CC 38 C7 6/21/05. |
   
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| Posted on Tuesday, June 21, 2005 - 07:31 pm: |
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Thinking of getting a Pansat 2500 but wondering if it will no longer be good for DN when they go fully N2? |
   
Johnny Bright Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Tuesday, June 21, 2005 - 11:58 pm: |
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I am in the new orleans area and need help with the 2500A. I know nothing about how to get this working. any help would be appreciated. Where do I start ???? Thanks |
   
New member Username: Papajim006
Benton,
IL
USA
Post Number: 3 Registered: Jun-05
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| Posted on Wednesday, June 22, 2005 - 09:49 pm: |
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Does anybody have the key yet |
   
New member Username: Papajim006
Benton,
IL
USA
Post Number: 4 Registered: Jun-05
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| Posted on Wednesday, June 22, 2005 - 09:49 pm: |
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Does anybody have the key yet |
   
New member Username: Dnmak
Post Number: 4 Registered: Jun-05
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| Posted on Wednesday, June 22, 2005 - 09:54 pm: |
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dish keys- KEY0: 35 A5 72 32 6F 2F C3 48 |
   
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| Posted on Thursday, June 23, 2005 - 02:06 pm: |
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PLEASE NEW KEYS PANSAT 2500 |
   
New member Username: Papajim006
Benton,
IL
USA
Post Number: 5 Registered: Jun-05
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| Posted on Thursday, June 23, 2005 - 03:49 pm: |
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Where can I get keymaster.exe?
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Bronze Member Username: Jderek
Post Number: 26 Registered: Mar-05
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| Posted on Thursday, June 23, 2005 - 09:37 pm: |
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http://www.dsscentral.n*t/ JR change the * to e
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| Posted on Thursday, June 23, 2005 - 10:16 pm: |
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does anyone have the keys..? |
   
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| Posted on Friday, June 24, 2005 - 12:34 am: |
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00 35 A5 72 32 6F 2F C3 48 01 1C 41 32 39 F9 CC 38 C7 |
   
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| Posted on Tuesday, June 28, 2005 - 02:35 pm: |
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stop spamming tim..i have a question tho lk what cable do i need to trasfer the bin form comp to box?? im a newb to this sry |
   
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| Posted on Wednesday, June 29, 2005 - 02:04 pm: |
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I agree with this tim guy. tim we all have "hobbies" yet we don't post about them here, especially in bold print. Does anyone have the keys? And yes tim if i had your cd i would not be asking this but many of (most I'd say) don't want to mess around with all this downloading stuff. Also some of us are paranoid that you and others like you are collecting our contact info to report us somehow. Most people want to just remain anonymous tim. I hope you get that. If you don't you are clueless. |
   
New member Username: Swartz
Post Number: 1 Registered: Jun-05
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| Posted on Wednesday, June 29, 2005 - 07:46 pm: |
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does anyone have the new keys |
   
Silver Member Username: Maple_leaf
Post Number: 457 Registered: Apr-05
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| Posted on Wednesday, June 29, 2005 - 07:53 pm: |
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Yea i have them. |
   
New member Username: Swartz
Post Number: 2 Registered: Jun-05
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| Posted on Wednesday, June 29, 2005 - 10:22 pm: |
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whats the keys maple leaf
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Bronze Member Username: Bertoro
Toronto,
Ontario
Canada
Post Number: 18 Registered: Apr-05
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| Posted on Wednesday, June 29, 2005 - 10:25 pm: |
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here...11 64 6B 2E A5 26 ED 7E key 00 |
   
Bronze Member Username: Stevez01
Mississauga,
Ontario
Canada
Post Number: 36 Registered: Mar-05
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| Posted on Wednesday, June 29, 2005 - 10:33 pm: |
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thanks my friend. Hope it works |
   
Bronze Member Username: Bertoro
Toronto,
Ontario
Canada
Post Number: 20 Registered: Apr-05
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| Posted on Wednesday, June 29, 2005 - 10:34 pm: |
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it is working for me !!!! |
   
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| Posted on Wednesday, June 29, 2005 - 10:36 pm: |
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Key0: 11 64 6B 2E A5 26 ED 7E <--Active Key1: 40 B2 B9 7A C2 C1 53 75 Dishnet changed the ACTIVE key tonight (7:30 PM EST) to Key 0 from Key 01...so if you input both these keys now 00 and 01 ,then U should be all set..
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| Posted on Thursday, June 30, 2005 - 08:01 pm: |
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Saludos a todos desde Monterrey, México. Tengo un Pansat2500A y necesito saber que me recomiendan para poder ver la programación sin necesidad de estarle actualizando manualmente las KEYS cada dos o tres días que varían dichas llaves,a parte si existe la posibilidad de que en este mismo PANSAT2500A se pueda ver algo de NAGRAVISION2 Mil Gracias a todos.......................... |
   
racinban Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Thursday, June 30, 2005 - 10:13 pm: |
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i just got as pansat 2500 can anyone tell were to find info on how to set thing up? do i need another reciever, daved or bev? help please....... |
   
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| Posted on Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - 10:53 pm: |
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What are the keys for today? |
   
John Cena Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Thursday, July 07, 2005 - 01:54 pm: |
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Active 01 C4 82 37 AA 5B C2 2D E5 enjoy ur new key guys |
   
New member Username: Kingb
Post Number: 3 Registered: Jun-05
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| Posted on Friday, July 08, 2005 - 11:22 pm: |
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can't seem to get PLBYE Channel (498). Just getting Bad or scrambled channel. Any ideas? |
   
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| Posted on Tuesday, July 19, 2005 - 12:01 am: |
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Hey im new with this I have a Pansat 2500A. I normally update my receiver with the computer normally someone sends me a file and its good to go... but now i cant get in touch with this guy so i dont know what to do to make it work. So can someone tell me where can i download this software... and i have a question what are the KEYS everyone is talking about. Thanks |
   
Bronze Member Username: Bekim
NY,
NY
USA
Post Number: 15 Registered: Jun-05
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| Posted on Tuesday, July 19, 2005 - 01:27 am: |
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hey people this website ftasoftware.com is bullsh*t they make you jump through hoops to get some little info that doesnt even work. they suck big time. info for fta boxes should be free! they wont you to pay 40 bucks to buy some stupid subscription to sh*t they dont even know to answer FAK JU! by the way people there are still people asking for keys everyday! WTF, well its ok. go to this web site www.bevkeys.com (i think you need to register, its FREE) and download this really cool little program to your desktop. everytime you click on it it will tell you THE LATEST KEYS FOR DISH BABY!!!!!!!!!!! YEAHHHHHHH have fun and enjoy! P.S. does anyone know anything about irdeto 1 and 2? can i get a code for my cools*t? thanx! |
   
New member Username: Naomi
Post Number: 5 Registered: Jul-05
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| Posted on Thursday, July 21, 2005 - 01:18 pm: |
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have pansat2500a can anyone please tell me which site will tell me how to download auto snd flash very new to yhis paid for bev got no info tv been out aweek and i have current keys just down loada to 600 and locks |
   
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| Posted on Thursday, July 21, 2005 - 04:58 pm: |
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I just baught a Pnsat2500a, I did what the user's manual told me, both level and quality are strong on bell express Vu sat, but no pic is received. message ... scrambled or bad channels appear. What should I do. Please tell me... |
   
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| Posted on Thursday, July 21, 2005 - 06:21 pm: |
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I NEED THE NEWS KEYS OF PANSAT 2500, PLEASE |
   
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| Posted on Tuesday, July 26, 2005 - 11:27 pm: |
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Sorry for being such a noob, but where do I write the Keys for Pansat 2500a? I would appreciate your help. Thank you |
   
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| Posted on Wednesday, July 27, 2005 - 03:21 pm: |
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lol noob? u play cs dont u..... 01: E9 FD 53 DE B5 37 FC 44 |
   
dinoblackt49 Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Thursday, July 28, 2005 - 01:15 am: |
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hey i have a pansat 2500a and i think i need a boot file. cause it isnt comin on like how it use to help needed plz. |
   
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| Posted on Thursday, July 28, 2005 - 08:00 pm: |
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heyy did anyone see the new channel dish directed at us the channel is call free something they say the just takin out channels one by one till only dish subscribers can see. nag2 coming!! :-\ and does anyone have the new code??? |
   
dabreadman Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Friday, July 29, 2005 - 01:57 am: |
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hey i have a pansat 2500a and i think i need a boot file. cause it isnt comin on like how it use to help needed plz. |
   
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| Posted on Saturday, July 30, 2005 - 01:56 pm: |
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HEY TIM HOW DO I GET THE CD!! |
   
New member Username: Fudilus
Florida,
Loderdale
Miami
Post Number: 1 Registered: Jul-05
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| Posted on Saturday, July 30, 2005 - 06:38 pm: |
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I NEED THE NEWS KEYS OF PANSAT 2500, PLEASE |
   
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| Posted on Saturday, July 30, 2005 - 07:57 pm: |
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-THE "CD"IS CRAP....SAVE YOUR MONEY TIM IS A "SCAM".....I BOUGHT ONE AND I DON'T THINK ITS WORTH 5 CENTS.
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panchito Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 11:04 am: |
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i can't download the new program for my pansat2500a. What do need to download the program from this page http://www.dssrookie.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47571# |
   
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| Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 12:55 pm: |
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Newbie here! I have read and cant figure out where to get the latest autoroll bin for the Pansat 2500a and dont know how to put it on my pansat 2500a. Also where can i get info on how people are getting to watch all the football games for this season. My email is jaymustang54@yahoo.com Thanks for all the help!!! |
   
JAYmustang Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 01:07 pm: |
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Get rid of these USELESS pansat's anyways.peeps save your money n2 wont work with these models.get a 2700 model at ebay for 24 bucks and a wide open fix from www.dsstoys.com and your good for awhilke free tv and p@rn.sounds good right well what are you waiting for? |
   
PANCHITO Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 12:01 pm: |
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what do i need to download the new bin,do i need a disc or what?. please help me!!!! |
   
PANCHITO Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 12:40 pm: |
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i can dowload the new into my computer but i can't trasfer it into my 2500a reciever. My computer says that it can't open unkown file, what can i do? |
   
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| Posted on Sunday, August 14, 2005 - 04:22 am: |
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u need to get the downloader called 2300_2500_1500 Downloader.exe (newer versions can be found on pansatusa.com)and have the proper cable a (D-sub 9-pin female to female) to hook up to ur computer check ur manual to more info http://www.dssftp.com/filedownload/downloads.php?file=NGU0ZTUzYWEwOGet8EhGLXNkCL pwzZNTUzdjnK+LHNfcVrAWSBHhKFXEj/xQDI5e hope that helps |
   
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i am trying to setup my PANSAT 5000HC & cannot get past the parental control PIN setup. i have no original PIN to enter in the old PIN slot to change it. on the older pansat it was 0000. is there a way to get around this? is there another PIN? don't need the parental controls, just want to get past it to the rest of the setup. any help would be apprec. thnks. how do you get the 5000 to set to NEGRA vision? |
   
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| Posted on Thursday, August 18, 2005 - 02:26 pm: |
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can i watch mexican or european channels in my pansat 2500a? how? |
   
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| Posted on Thursday, August 18, 2005 - 06:07 pm: |
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GUYS DOES ANYONE HAS THE KEY FOR pANSAT 2500A today?? apprciate it |
   
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| Posted on Thursday, August 18, 2005 - 10:49 pm: |
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some body know wats apen my pansat 2500 is missing all pay per view and other chanels |
   
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| Posted on Thursday, August 18, 2005 - 10:54 pm: |
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here is the key 0 E596B20A37352021 |
   
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| Posted on Sunday, August 21, 2005 - 07:19 pm: |
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FREINDS...does anyone has the key for Pansat 2500a for today? |
   
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| Posted on Sunday, August 21, 2005 - 07:29 pm: |
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1-800-dish-net. |
   
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| Posted on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 04:26 pm: |
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I have a fortec lifetime running a pansat autoroll program is there a new script I have lost some channels like my pay per views also is there a script available to run express vu on this system also |
   
New member Username: Autocad
Post Number: 1 Registered: Aug-05
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| Posted on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 08:50 pm: |
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what got pansat2500 trying to load geting error mo del does not correct.wasup with thathelp |
   
Bronze Member Username: Vpolo
Post Number: 11 Registered: Mar-05
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| Posted on Friday, August 26, 2005 - 08:24 am: |
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Hey Tim How are you? you got the cd how could i get it, please send me the instructions by mail at polovladimir@yahoo.com Cheers |
   
New member Username: Ramsay
Post Number: 1 Registered: Aug-05
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| Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 - 12:28 pm: |
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hi guys i need the new keys for pansat 2500a cause i cant see the ppv and others chanels thanks |
   
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| Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 06:24 pm: |
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On the reciver I can see everyother channel but, there are some channels that are scrambled like mtv,bet,comedey central and some others,I had those channels the other day and how do I get those channels back. |
   
Vlbr8tor Guy Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 06:48 pm: |
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Robert Staff Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 06:51 pm: |
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New Keys Key 0: 8D F3 9F 87 40 C9 E2 46 kEY 1: 0B 97 B4 37 5E 3F BE 81 |
   
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| Posted on Sunday, September 04, 2005 - 02:20 pm: |
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Does it work? |
   
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| Posted on Sunday, September 04, 2005 - 03:39 pm: |
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Has the fix came out for the pansat 2500a yet i need my dishnet again... i cant take this anymore......
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| Posted on Sunday, September 04, 2005 - 04:05 pm: |
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I have really not spent time on gathering info on any new receivers due to the fact that everything was supposed to be dead at this point. So I have been trying to play catch up at the moment. I intend to wait and see how things unfold before I decide anything but the one thing I do know is that I refuse to spend any money on a receiver where the supplier has a noose around my neck. My negative attitude towards BL had almost turned into one of respect when he announced he would have a fix soon for the pansat 2500. and I decided at that time my loyality would stay with pansat and I would upgrade only with pansat. Then the usual games began about when, where, why and thats when I decided no more pansats for me. The latest is the fix will be Sept 6 but I have already decided that the drama associated with this box just isn't worth it. Who knows if next week the 2700 or the even the 5000 will be deemed obsolete and pansat feels no need to support them. I prefer to upgrade things because I want more bells and whistles not because the co. forces me into it with strong arm tacticts. Im not that delusional to think that dish would make it this easy to hack the new nagra and a voice in my head keeps saying if it looks to good to be true then ................... I am well aware of the risks and also understand if I want a guarantee then sub to dish. Having said that at this point I am leaning towards the viewsat. The support does seem outstanding, the bad bin gave me pause but the co. does seem to be standing behind their product. Does anyone know anything about this co.? How real are the rumors about their finances? Is the co0lsat a clone and a clone to what? I am uncomfortable with the ties of the co0lsat to the same people associated with the pansat. Does anyone know anything about this co.? I wish I had the tech skill to purchase a dreambox or pc card but I have three strikes against me ( female, blonde & polish LOL). I am really not trying to play the dumb card, I have gone into these files and I thought with reading, patience and time things would click but it is still greek to me. I laugh at how many hours I had to read info about the pansat to get it set up and that had step by step baby instructions. So options are limited and any info would be appreciated. P. S. ( I laughed out loud when the whole loctite thread was going on the other site, what a hoot it was so sweet!!! Some people just don't have a sense of humor.) __________________ TESSA |
   
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| Posted on Sunday, September 04, 2005 - 10:04 pm: |
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dsscentral has the latest .bin for the 2500 if you guys want it. gotta register though. |
   
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| Posted on Sunday, September 04, 2005 - 10:25 pm: |
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anyone with a working keys for dishnet..my keymaster is somehow not working |
   
guess who Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Sunday, September 04, 2005 - 10:29 pm: |
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DSScentral does NOT have the 2500 bin!...they have the 2300,2700, 3500,5000 ,viewsat,coo*lsat,techsat,bluejay, PCI card, dreambox N2 bins...BUT NO 2500 yet!...I admin there,I know! BTW...I posted them all there too! |
   
onlymeandu Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Sunday, September 04, 2005 - 11:28 pm: |
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anybody plzzzz My panssat says, of course after downloading and entering the kays, data being downloaded. Then, it says please input the data. What the heck is that? anybody plzzzz. I did enter the keys and turned it off and waited for more then 2min. |
   
New member Username: Big_boy
Post Number: 4 Registered: Sep-05
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| Posted on Sunday, September 04, 2005 - 11:44 pm: |
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hey guys need to use this site to find key numbers it is for Bev and dish .download this to your computor and when your on the net you can get the updated keys right off the top of your desk top all the keys ive read on this page are not current at all bev keys are Auxo--82 D7 51 E4 5B 97 9D 81 Bev keys Aux1--65 57 46 14 36 02 D8 DA Dish keys keyoo-- D6 96 E1 CE C0 00 AD 0F key01-- DB 76 17 77 A1 CA 75 DC hope this helps all keys are ACTIVE ps email me if you would like to know how to get them my email hendersons22@netzero.com |
   
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| Posted on Monday, September 05, 2005 - 01:21 am: |
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I need help with my pansat this has become a nightmare to wait for new keys and then not to get all channels....anyone please...are we suppose to be tight to this routine... please replay to wig34@hotmail.com |
   
New member Username: Love4u
Post Number: 1 Registered: Sep-05
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| Posted on Tuesday, September 06, 2005 - 01:13 am: |
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Please help: My daughter accidently reprogram my Pansat 2700a to manufacturing default. I did download new bin file from Dss community website but unable to download new bin to my Pansat. It keep give me error "unable to update new fash" eventhought I follow the download instruction (I use rs-232 cable). Did I missed any thing ?? or did I do something wrong ??? please help anyone thanks |
   
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| Posted on Tuesday, September 06, 2005 - 08:30 pm: |
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accidentally deleted all my factory set channels on my 2500a.can't get anything.also need help getting stations back that i lost before i deleted all.can anyone help? |
   
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for you TyBy and all the others who had problem getting there units to work with the new N2 file. in some cases you need to really get your unit to be as clean as it was when it came out of the factory for you to be able to use or "flash" it with the new N2 file, so you might need to flash it with an original pansat bin from pansatusa.com that match your unit model then flash it withthe new file that match your model too make sure you use the right cable and to wait until the file is dowloading is complete. good luck all |
   
scam is up Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 - 06:44 pm: |
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sell sell sell those pansat please will be rendered useless in about a month i was told by a master coder Save your money and dont waste on these FTA crap will be down by end of month charlie is stepping things up and fta's will be NO MORE sorry for bad news but LK and otheres dont tell U that as there obviously in bed with the FTA DEALERS Wait for something else othere than FTA there FINISHED
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"but LK and otheres dont tell U that as there obviously in bed with the FTA DEALERS" words of wisdom by another pea brain here, who has NO idea about anything!...another retarded free TV'er.. |
   
INFO MAN Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 - 07:57 pm: |
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Blackbird Alien is coming out in a month. It is going to be a FTA with a card slot for DTV and Dish. I have some inside info that leaked out from one of the top sat guys in this industry. Big things are going to happen soon. Big money to be made. Get ready for the future. |
   
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| Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 - 08:23 pm: |
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Does anyone know where i can download the N2 file?? |
   
New member Username: Big_boy
Post Number: 5 Registered: Sep-05
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| Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 - 08:54 pm: |
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email me at hendersons22@netzero.com and i will tell you where to get the file for nagra2 working great here been up running for 3 days now or i can email the attament file to you |
   
gatorrob Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 - 11:50 pm: |
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i was running the new nagra 2 on my pansat 2500a and all of a sudden it went blank and i can not even get it to come back on can someone please help me |
   
csipheonix Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Friday, September 09, 2005 - 01:06 pm: |
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I have a multistar 2500 would that be the cloned version of pansat 2500???? |
   
testing Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Friday, September 09, 2005 - 01:28 pm: |
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clone or not clone pansat or fortec they will all die one day or another, it s not the chip or receiver, it s the way the bin is written to transfer data throu satelite....so till we get the right bin testing is the only solution, bev,star,dish old receivers all work? made in china, taiwan,korea low mem. old chip..data transfer throu them.... |
   
header108 Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Friday, September 09, 2005 - 03:18 pm: |
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Gatorrob You have a dead receiver,the hacks that are out for the Pansat2500 are killers they fry the CPU in the box and when that happens the Game is over you have a door stop. But look in the forums pansat and blaklist said that they well repair all boxes look around for the address where to send your receiver it is here someplace. I myself am waiting for a new hack that well not over temp the cheaper and slower chipsets I hope they find one in a week or two |
   
New member Username: Mekong
Holland,
Mi
Usa
Post Number: 1 Registered: Sep-05
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| Posted on Saturday, September 10, 2005 - 05:43 pm: |
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Hello, NEED HELP.WHERE CAN I GET NEW AUTO ROLL FOR PANSAT 2500A?
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| Posted on Saturday, September 10, 2005 - 05:49 pm: |
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Hello, NEED HELP.WHERE CAN I GET NEW AUTO ROLL FOR PANSAT 2500A?
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jagster Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Sunday, September 11, 2005 - 04:04 am: |
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does the old bin for pansat 2500 autoroll work with dreamtv and abs-cbn satellite? |
   
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| Posted on Sunday, September 11, 2005 - 06:44 pm: |
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check out this place.. http://www.fsfta.com they have allot of info allot more answers.. and svral tried tested and true files.. check it out.. |
   
New member Username: Pan_25
Post Number: 1 Registered: Sep-05
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| Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 12:31 pm: |
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hey guys the new bin for pansat 2500A is working great. If anyone is interested let me know and I will email you the bin and the steps, I have been using it for 3 days now I have all and with PPV as well. the catch is $9.99 fot the bin. Anyone interested!! |
   
anti-sal Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 12:40 pm: |
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you are a conard, because you get the bin for free and now you sale it. Very intelligent you are a loser. |
   
anit-sal Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 01:02 pm: |
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nice try Sal, only an idion would pay for something that is free. |
   
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| Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 01:09 pm: |
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you mean an idian |
   
pin with pon Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 01:13 pm: |
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here is the link: http://www.ds_central.net/cgi-bin/schlabo4/dl.pl?Pansat251slowecm09-13-05 Just change it to dss instead of ds_ and copy-paste the link and that's it |
   
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I heard there is a 254 file out. Has anyone tried that? |
   
New member Username: Veda
Toronto,
Ontario
Canada
Post Number: 1 Registered: Sep-05
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| Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 03:05 pm: |
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Hi Tim I need your help please. i got pansat 2300a box i need the software to program my box and to get dishnet channel can please help me . All help will be great. Thanks |
   
Shirlee answerer Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 03:32 pm: |
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You need: X-75BL_2300_api_N2 ecm fix.BIN The latest Blacklist Updater to put the bin on your box. Channel Master or GTools for the channels and a channel list *.gtd All can be found at al7bar .tk for free |
   
Bronze Member Username: Bekim
NY,
NY
USA
Post Number: 26 Registered: Jun-05
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| Posted on Friday, September 16, 2005 - 08:03 pm: |
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Yo dude your a freken retart! You want to sell a bin for the Pansat? You can get the bin for free at other reputible sites like dss central or ftasoftware. f*cking guy thinks im gonna buy his stupid bin, Ill throw my box in the garbage and I wont pay you a penny! Go watch bluee kiss and jerkoff loser. |
   
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| Posted on Saturday, September 17, 2005 - 04:48 am: |
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can some one please tell me where to get N2 file and how to flash the reciver and olso how to download from my laptop because my laptop dose not have place to conect the transfering data cable. thanks in advance |
   
New member Username: Nozzall
Post Number: 7 Registered: Jun-05
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| Posted on Saturday, September 17, 2005 - 05:04 am: |
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Ok all, here is what I got so far: I waited and waited and finaly got my pansat2500 on the nag 2 bandwagon. I used blacklist updater v1.4 to load pansat bins from dss central. 1. I did a factory reset on my box, up until now I was getting some locals on nag 1. 2. I loaded the boot60 bin to start from scratch. 3. I loaded factory pansat bin: 2500A_050101_232_api(N).bin 4. I loaded new nag 2 bin: X-85BL_050909_253_api(N)_2.bin 5. I loaded latest p_orn bin: Pansat 251 slow ecm 09-13-05.BIN 6. Loaded channel list using GTools: 2500N2DP.GTD 7. Plugged my sh*t in and it works!!!! I have most channels on nag 2 but only problem is some transponders don't get any single. A couple of p_orn channels keep going in and out. Here are the SAT's I'm getting and the transponders that get no reseption: Echo 8.6/Ku Transponders 4,7,9,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30, 31,32 out! On these transponders Level is average 60, Quality is 0. Echo 7/Ku Transponders 3,4,5,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21 out! On these transponders Level is average 70, Quality is 0. My box is original pansat, says made in Korea and has FCC stamp on back plate, no sticker. So for all you programmers I hope this info helps in the fight. Keep up the good work and please let me know what to do or expect from here on. Thanks to all who contribute, and please less garbage posts, these threads are getting out of control. Laterz |
   
Bronze Member Username: Sharpes84
Post Number: 16 Registered: Mar-05
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| Posted on Saturday, September 17, 2005 - 03:01 pm: |
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clone 2500a.any news yet????????????Please advise I am not ready to have its funeral yet |
   
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I have a Pansat 2700a and am using it with the 3 lnb oval dish with the multiswitch. I am getting 89% but 0 quality. What should the pansat setting be? |
   
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| Posted on Thursday, September 22, 2005 - 10:59 pm: |
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I flashed my Pansat 2500A with the new N2 fix bin, but no matter what channel list i try to download, I end up with the "knightrider lights" flashing back and forth. i tried just doing a blind scan, and I get some of the channels, but none of the Fox Sportsnets!? I'm kinda new at this, what am I doing wrong??? |