Archive through August 21, 2004

Gold Member

Username: Kegger

MICHIGAN

Post Number: 1024
Registered: Dec-03

Posted on Monday, August 02, 2004 - 10:58 pm:

well mr. layne as usual i can understand your stance
on the subject and appreciate your views.

but the mulitude of directions and amount of the beer
coming at me i like and want more. maybe it's just
that i've gotten use to it and can handle it "so to speak"

but for me the more the merrier!

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Gold Member

Username: John_a

Post Number: 1897
Registered: Dec-03

Posted on Tuesday, August 03, 2004 - 04:25 am:

Stimulated by the message of J. Vigne, posted on Monday, August 02, 2004 - 03:49 pm, I thought I should mention that my dear partner and I were listening recently to Wagner's Sigfried Idyll, pausing, now and then, in order to brush up on our compound adverbial clauses. We found ourselves wondering, tentatively, whether a bespoke, bottled, Weissbier Dunkel from the Franconia district would be a fitting accompaniment to this most sublime of German late romantic tone poems, and whether the system of tubing favoured by Kegger might not be more appropriate for a less assuming "Hof" where individuals less refined and discerning that ourselves, perhaps having no collection of modern works of art at all, are content merely to replay, in the background, let us say Strauss's Alpine Symphony. I raise this question after many decades of writing polished prose for quality magazine such as Gramophone and Fanfare, where readers are familar with my incisive comments on such important matters as my dress sense, and the relative merits of different makes of motor car for taking the short journey from our modest but tasteful Schloss to Bayreuth.

[This work is fictitious. Any resemblence to posts of named individuals on this forum is entirely coincidental. Tell it like it is, Kegger....].

Silver Member

Username: Wryter

Naples, FL
US

Post Number: 128
Registered: Jul-04

Posted on Tuesday, August 03, 2004 - 09:43 am:

J. Vigne et al
It would seem that I owe Mr. Vigne an apology. In reading an exchange between him and Kegger, I assumed that direct insults were involved. It appears now that the two were only "kidding around," and thus I feel rather foolish for my chiding remarks. Apology noted, please.
As I do not know any of you, I occasionally have a hard time delineating fact from fantasy, and will try harder in the future. As you gentlemen know, the printed word gives scant evidence of the emotions behind the writing, thus demanding of the writer careful detail as to intent.
Respectfully, Larry R.

Silver Member

Username: Rick_b

New york
Usa

Post Number: 366
Registered: Dec-03

Posted on Tuesday, August 03, 2004 - 10:03 am:

Larry

Fool not with Italians living in Texas. The only ones I know, are there, because of the witness protection program. I'm from New York. I know about these things.

Watson, to the sea shore, and keep a keen eye out for a Shell station.

Silver Member

Username: Wryter

Naples, FL
US

Post Number: 131
Registered: Jul-04

Posted on Tuesday, August 03, 2004 - 10:24 am:

No, Rick, I'm not going to "fool" with anybody on these forums - I try to get information, and add a bit, on occasion, but I do get tired of thrusting and parrying and thus may reduce my presence on these threads to a more comfortable level for me.
Respectfully, Larry R.

Silver Member

Username: Rick_b

New york
Usa

Post Number: 367
Registered: Dec-03

Posted on Tuesday, August 03, 2004 - 11:03 am:

Larry,

My post was tongue in cheek. I'm sorry if it didn't read that way to you. It was an attempt at humor. Hopefully it will make Jan chuckle.......
Cheers!

J. Vigne

Unregistered guest

Posted on Tuesday, August 03, 2004 - 01:51 pm:

Gawd, Rick! The Sigfried Idyll? I mean I could believe the compound adverbial cluases but The Sigfried Idyll. Jeez Louise! You had me going there. You really had me believing it until you got to Strauss' Alpine Symphony playing in the background. HA! No one listens to the Alpine Symphony at background levels. It's one that requires full tilt volume levels, the focus of a Lance Armstrong and Tiger Woods and a glass of Qualit�tswein mit Pr�dikat: Eiswein, a favorite of mine when contemplating Strauss. Let The Alpine Symphony BOOGIE!!!!! Yes, you really had me fooled.

Larry - No need to feel foolish, most of us do that often enough during the day to take care of everyone else's quotient of foolish for quite a while. And no aplogy necessary as you are not the first to mistake my attempts at levity with a statement of fact. Being a disciple of Oscar Wilde you would think I would have an idea what trouble humor can create. But I fall victim to the concept that facts can often be persented in humor and opinions are too often taken to be facts. None of us wish to thrust and parry but more gently poke and feign. I'm sure I speak for all of us when I say I hope you don't find us too off putting. As none of us seem to know the real reason for MyRantz's departure, I'm sure none of us would like to see another contributor bite the dust. Particularly after so recently achieving Old Dog status. Please continue to participate at whatever level you choose. We would hope and encourage everyone who wishes to join in with our foolishness. It is a diversion from "what cable is best for my Sony reciever?". And, though there are ocassional disagreements between participants, I'm most certain you will know when real insults begin to fly. And, if it helps, I am seldom serious. Certainly not as serious as a "Massive Attack".

Moriarty

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Posted on Tuesday, August 03, 2004 - 02:04 pm:

Holmes and Watson, what piteous pigeons! How easily you topple to the slightest wind in the sails of your conviction. Do you think I would make it so convenient for you? A Shell station? The slightest key stroke and you are off chasing yet another mechanical rabbit. Round and round, eh, Holmes? A sea shore with Shells? What could that mean? Have a good trip and don't forget your pipe and SPF 45.

Silver Member

Username: Rick_b

New york
Usa

Post Number: 368
Registered: Dec-03

Posted on Tuesday, August 03, 2004 - 02:30 pm:

Jan,

SSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.....we don't want any undue publicity. Just blend in..........

Larry,

I think Mr. Vigne said it all very well, and if I may be so bold as to speak for my friend KEGGER..........YEP!

Gold Member

Username: Kegger

MICHIGAN

Post Number: 1028
Registered: Dec-03

Posted on Tuesday, August 03, 2004 - 02:39 pm:

.............Y E P.............

Holmes

Unregistered guest

Posted on Tuesday, August 03, 2004 - 03:10 pm:

How could I be so blind Watson? Shells at a sea shore. Must be a chalet in the mountains. That's it Watson! The nun is hiding at a convent in Switzerland. Hurry my dear Watson, and fetch my long johns and tall boots.

Gold Member

Username: John_a

Post Number: 1901
Registered: Dec-03

Posted on Tuesday, August 03, 2004 - 05:55 pm:

Larry,

If it is any consolation, I have not the faintest idea what half of this is about, either. And I am most concerned at having been mistaken for Rick, for both his sake and my own. But you never can tell with Vigne. I liked his remark about witness protection. I have no idea what SPF 45, unless it is a brand of snuff.

Watched "The Last Samurai" tonight. Recommended here by many. Thanks. Really fine movie.

Silver Member

Username: Wryter

Naples, FL
US

Post Number: 137
Registered: Jul-04

Posted on Tuesday, August 03, 2004 - 06:37 pm:

All: please see my posting on TWilight of the CD, and I apologize for my short-temper! LR

J. Vigne

Unregistered guest

Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 02:19 am:

Larry - I'm going to be serious here for awhile. I'm posting this response on this thread since this will be a continuation of the previous lines here. I speak for myself and no one else on the forum.
If any of us have offended you in any way I can honestly say no foul was intended. If you are having a bad time we all understand and have every bit of empathy there can be for your situation. We have all been in bad times and there is the constant possibility that they may return to anyone of us at a moment's notice. (I had a scary moment today where the word cancer was placed before me. Nothing to worry about, but fortunes can change in an instant. This is not the first time I have been reminded of my mortality.)
This forum has a group of people that go out of their way to give information to the best of their ability with the unending line of "newbee" writers who want answers to - how to hook up equipment, what cable is best or will it blow up if I do this - when a little research on their part will get them an answer if they will only look.
Several of us have gotten together on a few threads and have become friends as much as possible in the confines of this forum. We banter back and forth about various items that upset us or confound us or whatever the case may be. After a while the thought has been exhausted and yet we don't want to leave our friends behind. If you look you will see that this and a few other threads have been going for several months. The topics have ranged all over the place and yet we come back and check, everyday, to see if one of us has added a thought or comment.
I don't feel any of us, at any time, has been less than gracious to anyone who cares to join in our group therapy sessions. Because that, in some ways, is what these amount to for us. We get to blow off steam from the day. We find out we came within a hair's breath of a life changing event or things just aren't going our way right now. It's good to be with friends. Even if we wouldn't recognize each other in a hall way. That is part of what makes this forun interesting. We can be who ever we want to be with no one to tell us differently. So occasionally we will get silly. And occassionally (if not more often) we will get "sophomoric". But it is usually balanced by a healthy amount of respect for what each of us has to offer to the other.
If anything I am more than responsible for the silliness that pervades this forum. Sorry, as I said you are not the first to misunderstand my humor. We can, as a group, be the bunch of drunks in the corner that others wish would just calm down. It's hard to do when you are enjoying yourself and you need the good company of friends.
If you would like to bring your drink over to our table we will be happy to clear a space for you. I believe all of us feel the more the merrier in this game. We would like to buy the whole bar a drink. Let's all blow off some steam.
If you are offended by us or feel we are being less than funny, I can only say we never meant to offend.
If you feel we are leaving you out of the joke, nothing could be further from the fact. We wish everyone would join us and have a good laugh at how sophomoric we can be. Holmes and Watson, Ranger and Tonto and all the nuns want you to tell us what we can do to make you smile. I don't believe any of us feel we have been offended by another member and there is no need for you to feel any different.
All of us are more than ready to discuss world shaking events if need be, but generally we just hang out here because we like the company. We are the "Norms" of this forum's bar. We all know each other's names. We all know things about one another that never appear in the threads "Can I hook my car stereo up to my PC." And that makes for a comfortable conversation. One that doesn't always make the most sense but one that is always willing at the drop of a DVD-A.
So I can only speak for myself here, and not assume anyone else feels the same, but, I would like you to stay with us and offer whatever you feel is needed from your end. There is more going on here than just tomfoolery. You have life experiences that none of us will ever have. But the same can be said about each of us. We each bring to the table ideas that are uniquely our own. Some just happen to be silly on occassion. If you pay attention you will find an underlying truth to even the silliest remark though.
Join us if you wish. No one here will intentionally offend you. No one will direct rude comments your way. If you think we have done you wrong just say so and, I think, all of us would immediately apologize.
Each of us will try to give you the best information we know how.
If you feel we have offended you I can only say once again, I'm sorry. If you prefer to have less contact with this group we will miss your input. It is obviously your choice.
Maybe we need to establish a signal that says this is going to be stupid and this is going to be serious. I don't know if that would help. There are cetainly opportunities to get your questions answered on this forum without putting up with our frivolities. But this is where we hang out. Please join us and let us know how we can make it more pleasurable for you if you care to be here.

Gold Member

Username: Kegger

MICHIGAN

Post Number: 1032
Registered: Dec-03

Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 02:34 am:

...............Y E P..............

Gold Member

Username: John_a

Post Number: 1904
Registered: Dec-03

Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 02:41 am:

You're welcome, Larry
Are thrust and parry
Uncongenial
With a root canal?

Jan,

"No one listens to the Alpine Symphony at background levels". I am afraid many people would not hesitate. Look at the posts complaining about the unpredictably different volumes of sound you get from different programme material. Thus is Strauss sanitized, his music brought to heel: backgound for a soothing voice-over, perhaps advertising a package holiday to a comfortable sking resort. Satisfaction guaranteed. Turn up the sub crossover to enhance the bass, etc.

You once asked "What do people buy audio systems for?" or words to that effect; perhaps "What do you hope you hifi will do?"

The start of this thread was a debate on your proposition that music almost always sounds better in stereo. I wonder, now, if "Surround sound" has too many associations with "ambient sound", that is, sound that seems to have no source, to be coming from "all around". Soothing music, dynamically compressed, unsurprising, unchallenging; in the backgound.

"What do you hope surround sound will do?" is probably the key question. Different people want different things, that is all I can discern. See "speakers" diagrams, above, for you, me, Rick and Kegger.

I humbly submit that "surround sound" can deliver the music more effectively, in some cases. But it is difficult to ignore stereo. That is something in stereo's favour.

BTW I have provisionally settled on DS String Qt. number 2, A minor, 1944. But I have still not got past No. 6. Thanks again. As good a recommendation as "open the lid". That Rubio Qt recording is examplary. Hope they get around to Beethoven, and record in the same way, in the same place. Just for fun, with all that reflected sound (it is recorded in a church) I thought I would try the Rubio Qt. with Dolby Prologic and NAD EARS. Appalling. Stereo rules.

But, who knows, maybe there are folk playing ambient Shostakovich.

Gold Member

Username: John_a

Post Number: 1905
Registered: Dec-03

Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 02:54 am:

Just to say I was replying to Larry, August 03, 2004 - 06:37 pm and posts before. Apologies, Jan and Kegger. I suppose it is just as well we cannot all post at once!

Jan,

I state simply and plainly that I agree with every word in your post of Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 02:19 am. Or, as Kegger, puts it, "YEP".

I also wish My Rantz would read that.

Silver Member

Username: Wryter

Naples, FL
US

Post Number: 139
Registered: Jul-04

Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 03:00 am:

Jan, Kegger and John A. -
Sigh - it's mid-night and I'm up with more codeine and not having a good "go of it." BUT I just read the postings you all have sent along this night - and I'd like to make a few, brief comments, please.
Jan: you make your case very well - and for once, believe it or not, I actually understood every word! G R I N Not that I am a stranger to multi-syllable word structure, you understand, but that you do, on occasion, flummox me with some new ones! (that's what dictionaries are for, isn't it? Yep)
As I look back at some of my earlier comments, I just want you to know that I, personally, have not been offended. Rather, I thought that some of the remarks flying back and forth between or among some of you WERE offensive and rude. Now, as has been pointed out to me, I know that your sense of humor was on display - and that it was not insult-slinging.
I take great care (or attempt to) when putting words on paper: in creative writing it's known as "attending to your undertones and overtones." You notice that I often insert "grin" so that a tongue-in-cheek remark of mine won't be taken as some sort of slam.
I once interviewed novelist Robert Parker, who's known for his terse, often biting writing style. He told me that he takes great pains to "lead" the reader in whatever direction he wants a passage or paragraph to go: is it supposed to be funny, or threatening? I have found, in working on my probably-never-finished novel, that those over and under-tones sneak up on me, and often muddy the waters of clarity.
So - here, I sometimes get cross-references confused and motive misunderstood. It's not your fault, it is mine, for not - literally - "reading into" postings what is true to the moment.
Oh, I'm not going to do a My Rantz disappearing act - though I might, for several reasons, take less of an active role in these threads for awhile. I am trying to finish several editing projects (money-makers I rather detest) and my current mouth-oriented problems leave me in less than good humor.
Thank you for taking time to carefully explain some of the whats and whys of this forum. I hold you all in higher esteem for it - yes, even Kegger's wunnerfully-amended "yep!"
Respectfully, Larry R.

Ranger

Unregistered guest

Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 03:28 am:

Tonto, you stand watch, I'm going to get some rest. Tomorrow we ride!

Sem

Silver Member

Username: Sem

New York
USA

Post Number: 199
Registered: Mar-04

Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 08:12 am:

Jan,

Very well written. You've said a lot of what I'm feeling, and in words much clearer than I could ever hope to string together.

Although I have the tendency to be "off the wall" at times, in a way that's my release from daily pressures. Anyone who has read me for a while surely knows I mean no one any harm.

Lastly, compared to most here, my audio/musical knowledge prior to stumbling onto this marvel called acoustics dot com, could fit nicely on the head of a pin. However the wisdom and camaraderie I have encountered here, with regards to audio and life in general, can fill an ocean. Thanks to all for allowing me to swim in that ocean for a while. For that I am forever grateful.

Cheers.

Silver Member

Username: Rick_b

New york
Usa

Post Number: 372
Registered: Dec-03

Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 09:19 am:

RE: Jan's 2:19am post

I'll drink to that!

18 year old Chivas, wasn't it Mr. Vigne?

Cheers to all!

Gold Member

Username: Kegger

MICHIGAN

Post Number: 1038
Registered: Dec-03

Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 10:21 am:

HEY JOHN:

"Kegger,

OK. 16.4 it is. How are you going to get in and out? As I said before, suppose you're sitting there, and someone puts on some c&w. "

1 word john. REMOTE!

after all i am the master of my own commander!

Gold Member

Username: John_a

Post Number: 1909
Registered: Dec-03

Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 12:16 pm:

Kegger,

Thanks. I forgot about the remote. Just make sure you can find it, with all those boxes around. And, if it refuses to carry out orders, give it fifty lashes.

'Strewth thay was great movie.

"And do you know what Lord Nelson said to me.......?"

J. Vigne

Unregistered guest

Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 01:27 pm:

UUUUUUUUUUUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!

Eighteen year old Chivas .......................

GooooooooD!

Arnold Layne

Bronze Member

Username: Arnold_layne

Madrid
Spain

Post Number: 42
Registered: Jun-04

Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 04:58 pm:

Thanks, Mr. V. You inspired me to wipe the dust off my 15Y Lagavulin... WooooooooooW

Mr. K, I took your advise and hoosed up 2 pints, 4 small cans and a barrel. But now I have to make pressure adjustment everytime I change beverage. Like from Budweiser to Budowi�e (the original, HAW HAW HAW, Europe rules!). Would you recommend me to buy one of those swinging little men of wood with a red nose dipping in a tiny glass? They say it is must faster to synchronize the equipment, and much more precise than the human throat.

Silver Member

Username: Rick_b

New york
Usa

Post Number: 375
Registered: Dec-03

Posted on Wednesday, August 04, 2004 - 05:21 pm:

Jan,

The UPS man just came to my door. The MA-6100 is here! Just arrived from Hawaii. I opened the box for a quick inspection, and this thing is in super condition given it's age. I don't even want to listen to it until the Spendors arrive. They were delayed because I originally ordered the 3/5se's then had a change of heart and ordered the regular 3/5's. I originally thought if the originals are that good, the se's have to be even better. Well I have been fooled before and decided to stick with the sure thing.

Thanks again Jan for you insight. You got me rethinking the whole audio thing again. It seems I got caught up in the last eight years or so upgrading with the bigger is better thing. Bigger amps, speakers, more power....more MORE MORE!

I put together a killer HT system, but got to the point where I was hardly listening to music anymore. Well I enjoy the cinema, but enjoy music more, so I've decided to sell my HT amps and pre-pro. Take the old Marantz SR880 5.1 out of the closet and use it for the HT system, and with the windfall from the Aragon, Acurus, and Proceed, put together another music only system in a third room or the study. I'm thinking a nice tube set up with another pair of Spendors. Who Knows? Time will tell. I will let you know how everything utimately sound as soon as the speakers arrive. Any others ideas you may have please let me know, Kemosabe.

A bottle of Chivas from me to you!

Gold Member

Username: Kegger

MICHIGAN

Post Number: 1060
Registered: Dec-03

Posted on Thursday, August 05, 2004 - 12:06 am:

hey rick i may be interested in some of your gear
email me with what you might be selling and if inclined
some round about prices you are looking to get!

see yu!

Gold Member

Username: John_a

Post Number: 1916
Registered: Dec-03

Posted on Thursday, August 05, 2004 - 02:14 am:

Arnold,

I am taking a liking to your posts, but please do not mention Budowi�e in the same breath as Budweiser. "The Czech Republic is the leading beer consumer per capita, with 160�liters (281.56�pints, 35 gallons) per person as of 1999". (Guinness book of records). Of course quality, not quantity, is the issue, but those guys are pulling their weight, you must admit. And most US beers (not all) are best drunk at about the temperature of liquid nitrogen. I wonder which tubing they use in Prague. BTW Here's to Gibralter; happy birthday.

Rick,

Wonderful. Congratulations. All updates welcome. This is the McIntosh tube amp, right? Integrated...? W per channel? Sorry about post on brass cones on "The Twilight of the CD...?". Just got out of bed on the wrong side. See toast to Gibralter*, 300 yrs old this week. Just stirring it, I guess. No offence, anyone. Re speakers, see your thread on Spendor, the LS3/5a is back, too. But the Spendor 3/5 s are surely darned good speakers.

*It rocks.

Gold Member

Username: John_a

Post Number: 1917
Registered: Dec-03

Posted on Thursday, August 05, 2004 - 02:22 am:

Kegger,

He leaned across the table, he looked me straight in the eye... and he said, "Aubrey, may I trouble you for the salt?".

Gold Member

Username: Kegger

MICHIGAN

Post Number: 1065
Registered: Dec-03

Posted on Thursday, August 05, 2004 - 02:38 am:

I have seen that movie john.

and i actually enjoyed the conversations more than
the action or the whole movie in general.

the conversations were very captivating.

Gold Member

Username: Kegger

MICHIGAN

Post Number: 1066
Registered: Dec-03

Posted on Thursday, August 05, 2004 - 02:42 am:

arnold all i have to say is practice.

in time you will be a seasoned pro my young compadre.

soon you will have no problems with any combo you try.

Silver Member

Username: Rick_b

New york
Usa

Post Number: 378
Registered: Dec-03

Posted on Thursday, August 05, 2004 - 06:31 am:

JohnA.,

The MA-6100 was their first all solid state integrated amp. From the serial # it is circa 1978.

Cheers!

Gold Member

Username: John_a

Post Number: 1919
Registered: Dec-03

Posted on Thursday, August 05, 2004 - 08:31 am:

Kegger, I thought so too. The battles were pretty good. I have never heard or seen cannon shot like that. The first was awesome. A distant, silent flash, then about three seconds to duck. Range about half a mile. Surely that is what it was really like. Personally I also thought the music was great.

Thanks, Rick. I thought for a moment you, too, were going down the tubes. Cheers!

Gold Member

Username: Kegger

MICHIGAN

Post Number: 1070
Registered: Dec-03

Posted on Thursday, August 05, 2004 - 10:55 am:

yo rick it's probably better off for me anyways.

as could probably attest to i really don't need anymore
gear. with the stuff i've gotten into lately i will
be busy for awhile.

glad to see you've got your stuff taken care of.

Gold Member

Username: Kegger

MICHIGAN

Post Number: 1074
Registered: Dec-03

Posted on Thursday, August 05, 2004 - 11:27 am:

my last post should have read.

as JAN VIGNE could probably attest to i really don't need anymore
gear. with the stuff i've gotten into lately i will
be busy for awhile.

Arnold Layne

Bronze Member

Username: Arnold_layne

Madrid
Spain

Post Number: 46
Registered: Jun-04

Posted on Thursday, August 05, 2004 - 09:00 pm:

John and all, I raise my pint with you to praise Gibraltar. Natives here really gone a little crazy, just because of 30.000 people dwelling in the dungeons of a remote rock. And then millions of brits invade the archipelago each year ... from Ibiza to the Norfolk broads... (remember that one?). We the Swedes lost the whole Finland to great grandfathers of Red Army back in 1809. But no hard feelings, we beat'em in Hockey from time to time for revenge.

Mr K., I think I'm now learning the trick. For strange local brews I use a discrete flow hose, that allows me to use the sofisticated pressure regulator in my distributor. But for a L�wenbr�u (shall I send some of those John? Exchange rate 1.21 BUD per L�W) I switch to free fall hoses, just leaning back sipping on beverage. Here I rely on my very good liquid to foam converters. Makes pressure control redundant, really.

Cheers
AL

Gold Member

Username: John_a

Post Number: 1923
Registered: Dec-03

Posted on Thursday, August 05, 2004 - 10:21 pm:

Arnold,

Thanks. I always intend to stay away from politics etc., and should not have lobbed in that bit about The Rock. 300 years ain't bad going, though. So here's to them. It's long way from Madrid, I appreciate that.

As regards serving beer, I think gravity rules. A bit like turntables, really.

Now, that cold, fizzy stuff they drink "Down Under"....

[I suspect Jan August 04 did the trick; thanks, Jan!]

J. Vigne

Unregistered guest

Posted on Thursday, August 05, 2004 - 10:32 pm:

"In the early days of Hi-Fi the earth had not reached its limit of planetary resources. Economic considerations had not yet reached a limit where price and "performance" were intra-convertible or even relevant. The important fact was to achieve musical performance for one's Hi-Fi system. The contemporary aphorism is not whether it is musical but good value for the money. As we drift into our uncertain future we have lost touch with music."

just something I came across.

Gold Member

Username: John_a

Post Number: 1925
Registered: Dec-03

Posted on Thursday, August 05, 2004 - 11:01 pm:

Swift response. What nonsense. People have always wanted value for money. If you were in the fortunate position of being an Austro-Hungarian prince, you could employ your own orchestra, but you still wanted it to be a good one. Hi-Fi is a good thing. It puts the experience of music within reach of many more people than would otherwise be possible. Drive some miles in order to attend one live concert and you use more planetary resources than your HiFi does throughout its entire life. Whoever wrote that is having some sort of mid-life crisis, I suspect, or else always was a miserable kill-joy.

"Economic considerations had not yet reached a limit where price and "performance" were intra-convertible or even relevant".

Of course they had. It has always been that way. Things cost money to make, and therefore to buy. Probably the guy remembers with nostalgia the golden days of listening to a system that someone else had paid for. So "grow up" might be a reasonable recommendation.

"Inter", by the way, otherwise it makes no sense.

Gold Member

Username: Kegger

MICHIGAN

Post Number: 1080
Registered: Dec-03

Posted on Thursday, August 05, 2004 - 11:14 pm:

arnold is their a good beer from spain and do they import?

I generally prefer beers with a medium amount of
flavor.
not a guiness or killians but also not a bud light
or a busch "well maybe a busch after iv'e had a
few cold ones"

Arnold Layne

Bronze Member

Username: Arnold_layne

Madrid
Spain

Post Number: 49
Registered: Jun-04

Posted on Friday, August 06, 2004 - 12:13 am:

"In the early days of Hi-Fi...". I agree, I recognize myself. Works both ways, marketing is much about value-for-the-money nowadays too. But at last, with no more money to spend, I eventually sat down and listened. Stayed in the sofa for quite a while.

John. I actually had a very good and long laugh when I saw the post about the 300 years. I respect public opinions, but this Rock Hype over here is really too much. 2 years ago a Marockian patrol decided to put flag on an island out their cost that is so tiny that seagulls don't even bother to splat guano on it. Spain? Suddenly remembered that centuries ago it was possibly theirs, and sent brute force to take it back. So, God and Queen save Gibraltar! As is.

Mr. K, I'm afraid only drinkable beers in Spain are bleech copies of dutch brews on license. One memorable beverage during my 8 years here: special export edition of Cruzcampo in high 0.33 bottle. You'd have liked it. Medium flavor, balanced malt, subtile thickness like Bud. Cannot find it anymore, not even in Hi-Bi stores.

Have you tried Kilkenny (from the green island)? And the German weissbier?

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Posted on Friday, August 06, 2004 - 01:03 am:

Arnold

"Have you tried Kilkenny (from the green island)? And the German weissbier? "

no i haven't do you know if either are imported to the us?

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Posted on Friday, August 06, 2004 - 02:16 am:

"Swift response. What nonsense. People have always wanted value for money."

Of course they have, John. But how many people had good audio systems in their homes when you were growing up? Audio was a luxury for most of the last century. Today the emphasis is on having a portable recorder/playback system the size of a cigarette lighter that can hold two hours of music for $49 or less. Today you can buy a $19 CD player ($9.95 if you want portable with headphones). The emphasis for the majority of people is not on quality but on convenience. WalMart, the internet and the Bose Wave Radio have changed the public's perception of music from a luxury to a commodity. May I refer you to "how you buy and sell audio/video".