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Thread: AMP Jumpers?? |
    
Silver Member Username: Mordecai
Texas
Post Number: 294
Registered: Jan-09
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| Posted on Saturday, October 10, 2009 - 01:35 am: |
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Do amp jumpers really make a difference? I have the factory pair on my NAD 325BEE. Where is the best place to buy them and what is a decent price? |
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Platinum Member Username: Artk
Albany,
Oregon
USA
Post Number: 10845
Registered: Feb-05
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| Posted on Saturday, October 10, 2009 - 01:55 am: |
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They make a difference.
http://www.musicdirect.com/product/72798 |
Gold Member Username: Dmitchell
Ottawa,
Ontario
Canada
Post Number: 3150
Registered: Feb-07
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| Posted on Monday, October 12, 2009 - 07:46 am: |
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They do. I switched out the jumpers on my McIntosh integrated. The factory ones were surprisingly cheap. |
Gold Member Username: Exerciseguy
Fort Hamilton,
NY
United States
Post Number: 2981
Registered: Oct-04
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| Posted on Monday, October 12, 2009 - 10:52 am: |
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I agree, Amp Jumpers matter. I swapped out the pair on my HK with those AudioQuest ones and heard an immediate & noticeable improvement.
I would suggest that a good quality 1' (or less) pair of Stereo RCA Cables would yield noticeable improvements over cheap stock jumpers.
http://www.cablewholesale.com/specs/audio-cable/10r4-02101.htm |
Platinum Member Username: Nuck
Post Number: 13719
Registered: Dec-04
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| Posted on Monday, October 12, 2009 - 10:58 am: |
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Geez, I still have the factory jumpers in, no spare cables right now.
How did I miss this?!?
Why does Mac use subpar jumpers? |
Gold Member Username: Exerciseguy
Fort Hamilton,
NY
United States
Post Number: 2982
Registered: Oct-04
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| Posted on Monday, October 12, 2009 - 11:19 am: |
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I wouldn't call them "subpar", just par for the industry. If I'm correct, McIntosh uses the same hard plastic jumpers used by much of the industry, the run is perhaps an inch end to end, and I'll presume uses a solid copper "U" shaped connector, right?
Dude, round up a pair of cables, swap them out & report back, I'll tell you what, and I have no idea why, this simple tweak made more of a difference than did using the DIY Woods Industries' 16/2 Green Extension Cord cables vs. the Belden 5000UE, or any other cable swapping that I've done. |
Platinum Member Username: Nuck
Post Number: 13721
Registered: Dec-04
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| Posted on Monday, October 12, 2009 - 11:43 am: |
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The spacing seems to be industry wide, as an ISO standard, like an Edison socket for fuses and bulbs.
I ordered the audioquest jumper just now, plus a set of cables just because, but I was denied for being canadian.
I found the native site, and the jumpers are double.cost.
Back to the closet for cables, and the live at montreaux 180g vinyl Evans that I wanted. sigh. |
Gold Member Username: Exerciseguy
Fort Hamilton,
NY
United States
Post Number: 2983
Registered: Oct-04
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| Posted on Monday, October 12, 2009 - 01:31 pm: |
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From a while back...
http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/1/519046.html |
Gold Member Username: Dmitchell
Ottawa,
Ontario
Canada
Post Number: 3152
Registered: Feb-07
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| Posted on Monday, October 12, 2009 - 02:46 pm: |
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I'm using a set of (*gasp*) Monster jumper cables that I got for free when I bought a subwoofer cable on ebay. Even these make a noticeable difference. Besides the fact them being Monster, they're nice thick cables with half decent connectors. |
Gold Member Username: Exerciseguy
Fort Hamilton,
NY
United States
Post Number: 2984
Registered: Oct-04
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| Posted on Monday, October 12, 2009 - 04:27 pm: |
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"they're nice thick cables..."
Don't say that too loud, Jan might hear you!
I really will try that magnet-wire one of these days.
The AQ jumpers are nice and their size make for a neat set-up.
I'm not sure what those solid "U" Jumpers would equated to in AWG, maybe something like 8 or lower, I also don't know what kind of shielding that plastic provides, older units (like my KR-6600) had NO shielding on the jumpers at all.
So maybe it is moving to a smaller gauge wire and/or better shielding that makes such a difference?
Mapleshade sells Bi-Wire Speaker Jumpers that are basically a length of unshielded Flat Magnet Wire, I just spoke with Pierre Sprey who said the same set of Jumpers can be terminated and used as PreAmp Jumpers with great success. I believe him.
http://www.mapleshaderecords.com/audioproducts/biwirejumpers.php
http://www.alphacoredirect.com/index.html?lang=en-us&target=d4.html&lmd=39634.47 4294 |
Gold Member Username: Dmitchell
Ottawa,
Ontario
Canada
Post Number: 3153
Registered: Feb-07
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| Posted on Monday, October 12, 2009 - 04:30 pm: |
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"Don't say that too loud, Jan might hear you!"
lol... good point.
sssshhhhhhhhh. |
Silver Member Username: Mordecai
Texas
Post Number: 299
Registered: Jan-09
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| Posted on Monday, October 12, 2009 - 06:43 pm: |
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I ordered a pair of the AQ jumpers. Should be here Wednesday. I also bought an anti-IC (used) that should be here this week also. I'm curious to hear the difference it makes also since I'm using anti-cables. |
Platinum Member Username: Jan_b_vigne
Dallas,
TX
Post Number: 14079
Registered: May-04
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| Posted on Monday, October 12, 2009 - 06:49 pm: |
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Fe Fi Fo Fum! I smell the blood of thick un's!
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Platinum Member Username: Nuck
Post Number: 13729
Registered: Dec-04
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| Posted on Monday, October 12, 2009 - 07:13 pm: |
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Wipe your feet! |
Gold Member Username: Mike3
Wylie,
Tx
USA
Post Number: 2165
Registered: May-06
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| Posted on Monday, October 12, 2009 - 07:15 pm: |
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Why not just use the same ICs you run from your source to your integrated?
Why do something different?
To me doing something different that using the same cable as you have in the rest of your kit has to be a take away, that or if you are that keen on a different type of jumper perhaps you should change all of your ICs to match your jumper.
My point being that every connection you make, power cords, RCAs or XLRs, and speaker wire, all influence your sound. Why add something that you might be unfamiliar with our have not vetted as one of your interconnects? Most ICs can be made as jumpers or at least .5 meters.
If you make your own like some folks we know then magnet wire would work very well. |
Platinum Member Username: Artk
Albany,
Oregon
USA
Post Number: 10883
Registered: Feb-05
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| Posted on Monday, October 12, 2009 - 07:20 pm: |
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In any case the AQ's will be better than what came with the amp. |
Platinum Member Username: Nuck
Post Number: 13731
Registered: Dec-04
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| Posted on Monday, October 12, 2009 - 07:21 pm: |
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It is the most important, or major IC in the kit, after all. |
Gold Member Username: Exerciseguy
Fort Hamilton,
NY
United States
Post Number: 2985
Registered: Oct-04
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| Posted on Monday, October 12, 2009 - 07:40 pm: |
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"It is the most important, or major IC in the kit, after all."
Absolutely. |
Platinum Member Username: Nuck
Post Number: 13735
Registered: Dec-04
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| Posted on Monday, October 12, 2009 - 08:12 pm: |
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thanks guys. |
