Archive through June 19, 2009

Gold Member

Username: T_bomb25

Dayton, Ohio
United States

Post Number: 2112
Registered: Jun-05

Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 12:05 am:

Mordecai i just sold my whole Acculine R set up to my dad right before i moved out here in Denver in Febuary with the A3R's A1R's and 2 Acculine subs and A2R's and they dont go lower than the 525T's.For all you know that guys room could have been huge,av123's specs are rather conservative for instance the claimed spec for the X-static is 65htz at +/- db,but Mark himself says they go much lower,which they play solid to around the mid to low 30's in my room, the 525T's are rated down to 48htz.Its also the quality of the bass as well the Evo2 8 really does have quality bass,and the 525T trumps them there rather handily.In the review he was comparing the 525T to the Rockport Mira now i know he had a big room a speaker that costs about $15k with a 10 inch bass driver that goes down in the mid 20's,so if you guys wanna make it seem like their not a stepup from the Evo2's go ahead,its actually a compliment for him to come away as impressed as he was considering what he has in his main rig i bet he would'nt have felt the same way about the Evo2 8's or 10's,try looking at it like that considering none of you have a speaker of that caliber or ever had a speaker like the Mira.

Silver Member

Username: Mordecai

Texas

Post Number: 197
Registered: Jan-09

Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 12:32 am:

Tawaun - I didn't say the A2's went lower. I said that the cabinet size is similar and the A2's did not go lower the the 8's. You are right about room size and I had no idea the Rockports were a 15k speaker so that is hardly a fair comparison. This is why I'm waiting to hear Sean's review of the direct comparison between the 525's and the 10's. Both of which I am considering but I don't want to buy both (although AV123 is offering the in home trial) which is outstanding considering the price of the 525's. It does sound like a compliment but the review didn't leave me feeling that way. It also didn't reconcile with what you said either. Did you direct compare the 8's, 10's and 525's in an AB setup? Did you use a meter to measure the low end of three speakers? I maybe wrong but I don't think you can predict what I'm going to hear with entry level equipment versus your high end stuff let alone the room acoustic differences or my less than educated ears compared to your highly tuned ear. The bottom line for me Tawaun is not that I don't trust your word but that I don't want to buy both pairs plus I'm trying to give the 8's time before I decide to try something different. You have definetly tweak my interest in the 525's enough for me to call about them. I trialed the XLS Encores right after they came out and wasn't crazy about them so my opinion of their speakers sound is probably incriminated by that experience. It is probably why I didn't immediately pull the trigger after your glowing review and recommendation. Since Sean bought both I figured I would wait to see if Sean felt the same. His equipment is a little closer to mine and I figured a better comparsion for me to decide.

Silver Member

Username: Mordecai

Texas

Post Number: 198
Registered: Jan-09

Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 12:34 am:

Art, Are you going import the Atacama and ZR6 speaker stands or do you have local dealer?

Gold Member

Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon
USA

Post Number: 9899
Registered: Feb-05

Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 07:28 am:

Am I going to import them?

I bought the Solidsteel stands from Music Direct and the Atacama's from Echo Audio in Portland, Oregon.

The Rockports are a 15K speaker but a careful read shows that he wasn't just comparing them. The Aperions from the article I posted are not a 15k speaker. We can wait for Sean...but let's be honest and Sean would agree...he has little experience with home audio. What he may value you may not and vice versa.

The preference piece of this is where it all becomes a mess.

I was assured that the Evo 10-2's were better than the Paradigm Studio 20 v3...they are not. They are a very nice speaker but not as good as the Studio 20. I'm not the only who says that. When I asked Mike at STO his opinion on that he was emphatic...the Wharfedales are a good speaker but not as good as the Studio 20...any Studio 20.

At one point I was assured that the Beta 20 was the best speaker under 1K...not so much...at least not to my ears.

That's why we are encouraged to listen with our own ears and choose which speakers we like for our own needs and not be shouted into liking what others want us to.

Chris H

Silver Member

Username: Hawkbilly

Nova Scotia
Canada

Post Number: 585
Registered: Jul-07

Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 08:05 am:

It'd be a pretty boring world if we all liked the same stuff. There is plenty of gear out there that has huge followings that others can't stand to listen to. That's the way of it. No right, no wrong.....just is. There are very few absolutes in this hobby, and amen to that.

Gold Member

Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon
USA

Post Number: 9900
Registered: Feb-05

Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 08:15 am:

I couldn't agree more.

Gold Member

Username: Nickelbut10

Post Number: 2571
Registered: Jun-07

Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 08:16 am:

Well said Art and Chris.

Platinum Member

Username: Insearchofbass

Post Number: 11653
Registered: Jun-04

Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 12:28 pm:

Im listening to the t525's now and I must say they are making a good impression on me but I dont have the wharfedales yet.

Gold Member

Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon
USA

Post Number: 9902
Registered: Feb-05

Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 12:31 pm:

Glad you are enjoying...probably time to take the discussion of the AV123's to a different thread...where as I've stated hopefully you've posted pics!

Gold Member

Username: T_bomb25

Dayton, Ohio
United States

Post Number: 2113
Registered: Jun-05

Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 04:07 pm:

The Aperion review is the 525M's how many times do i have to tell you that.

Gold Member

Username: T_bomb25

Dayton, Ohio
United States

Post Number: 2114
Registered: Jun-05

Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 04:30 pm:

Let me put this simple for you Art,the 525T is better than your reference the Rega R5 and the Studio 20 any version of them,now there you go.

Chris H

Silver Member

Username: Hawkbilly

Nova Scotia
Canada

Post Number: 586
Registered: Jul-07

Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 04:43 pm:

Tawaun, aren't we a little old for "my speakers can beat up your speakers".

Gold Member

Username: T_bomb25

Dayton, Ohio
United States

Post Number: 2116
Registered: Jun-05

Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 05:26 pm:

Its not that, I dont own the 525's now If i said the X-statics are better than the Rega R5 and any version of Studio 20's that would qualify as you said it.Its just the truth,some of the Vets on this forum,dont like the truth,its a hard cold audio world out there absolutes are more common than people want to believe,I want the absolute best at that pricepoint that i can get and 1 that performs higher than its price tag,much higher if its exists,and i only want that for everyone else,I dont play favortism toward products or people who are sinamental towards products that dont perform at that kind of level,and i dont like to see people unhappy with what they have,in my opinion if its something signficantly better at that pricepoint or a little more get it,thats why we have these forums,and to me its my duty to inform people of the best products going,so people can take it how they want to.

Gold Member

Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon
USA

Post Number: 9906
Registered: Feb-05

Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 06:01 pm:

Tawaun...I don't care who's speakers are better and frankly I know even if you don't that different folks will prefer different sounds. I am so much not concerned about who has the better speaker. So far I have tried a number of your "giant killer" speakers and it was all fallacy ...nice little speakers but they did not live up to the hype (not even close). I'll take my R5's and you can have whatever speaker you want and we'll both be happy. This thread is about the Wharfedales can we return to that or turn our attention to another brand on another thread please.

Bronze Member

Username: Boulderdashcci

Canton, Massachusetts
USA

Post Number: 57
Registered: Apr-07

Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 06:36 pm:

Sorry to interrupt the drama lol, but I just noticed that there is a significant amount of air leaking from the right side of the tweeter on one of the speakers, and I'm wondering if that's something I should be concerned with. It doesn't seem to be audible, atleast not to the point where it's making that channel stand out, but I'm still wondering if this is something I should be in contact with Wharfedale about. There is a pretty visible gap between the tweeter housing and enclosure itself that isn't there on the other side or the other speaker.

I am really liking these speakers so far though. Bass has improved quite a bit since I first hooked them up, not sure if it's the driver loosening up further or just my ears adjusting to them, but either way the increase/improvement is very noticeable.

Gold Member

Username: Nickelbut10

Post Number: 2573
Registered: Jun-07

Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 06:47 pm:

Freddie- Thats a defect.

TW- Art is right, everyone can have their opinion. That is what is so great about this hobby. Not to mention that determining which speaker is better than another would also come down to the equipment associated and the room.

I would predict that the R5's would be a better speaker than the 525's in certain systems, with different equipment, and in different room environments. The same goes for the 525's as well. Not one speaker will sound the same in two different systems, in two different rooms. So how can anybody say one speaker is better than the other. All we can give, is our opinion of which speaker we prefer in our own systems. You know this, come on now....

Nuck

Platinum Member

Username: Nuck

Post Number: 12647
Registered: Dec-04

Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 06:49 pm:

Yes, it is a very great concern, and yes, you should contact the vendor.
Air is only supposed to come out of the port.

Gold Member

Username: T_bomb25

Dayton, Ohio
United States

Post Number: 2117
Registered: Jun-05

Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 06:53 pm:

You claim you dont agree with me on many things in audio,but yet you followed my footsteps on more than a few speakers,and raved about them,do i need to list them?And this isnt all about you ecoustics isnt all about you,there are other people that are looking for good speakers not just your Studio 20 raves that took them 12 years to get real veneer they especially dont live up to the hype. The Diamond 9.1 is hyped around the world so to is the Epos M12i,ditto for the els 3,The Rainmaker has good pub all of these have pub without me so your little comment holds no weight about my "ginat killers"Just because you speak your peace doesent mean that everyone has to follow your lead,you havent even heard the ELT so opinion about them doesent carry any weight,here take your Evo2 thread back have fun with it,and have fun with your reference R5 that your not happy with they cant even create a correct scale a $300 Diamond showed you that in your own house on your own your system,hell sounds like you need a "giant killler"

Gold Member

Username: T_bomb25

Dayton, Ohio
United States

Post Number: 2118
Registered: Jun-05

Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 07:00 pm:

Freddie contact Wharfedale,it should'nt be like that,Freddie put you ear near the ports to,mine had a lot of port noise on bass passages,I sent mine to Wharfedale got another pair and they did the same thing,i thought they should have used the dual port system like on the Diamonds,that kind of sunk it for me.

Bronze Member

Username: Boulderdashcci

Canton, Massachusetts
USA

Post Number: 58
Registered: Apr-07

Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 07:13 pm:

I actually did notice port noise on one song when I was really pushing them, but I turned it down a bit and it went away. I can't remember what song it was now to try it again though (I do think it happened on the same speaker with the leak though, and I remember the other one didn't do it). Will get in touch with the guy I bought them from and Wharfedale to see what can be done.....I don't think they'll have a problem with it as it's obviously a manufacturing defect and they're only about two weeks old.

Gold Member

Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon
USA

Post Number: 9907
Registered: Feb-05

Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 07:15 pm:

Are you saying that there is air coming from around the housing Freddie. I haven't checked mine to see but it may not be as bad as you think. Go ahead and call Mike at STO and I'll check this weekend to see if I have the same thing. The housing doesn't sit flush to the cabinet and that's normal...you can see it in the pics of these speakers and also on Opus series the same thing.

Tawaun...not going there.

Bronze Member

Username: Boulderdashcci

Canton, Massachusetts
USA

Post Number: 59
Registered: Apr-07

Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 07:21 pm:

Yeah, it's leaking from the right side between the cast tweeter housing and the wood veneer because as you said it's not perfectly flush. If I had to guess I'd say they just didn't press it in enough when they glued it, leaving a gap and not spreaing the glue allowing it to leak. As I said, it doesn't seem audible to me, but I can definitely feel it when I put my hand over it.

I got the Audiogon pair so I'm not sure STO would be willing to help, but IAG, Wharfedale's US distro company, is located in the next town over from me so dropping them off there wouldn't be an issue. I emailed the guy on Audiogon to see what he says about the warranty being transferable, but if it isn't and IAG doesn't want to help I'm not going to worry about it too much as it isn't audible to me (other than the port noise I noticed the one time as I mentioned in my last post).

Silver Member

Username: Mordecai

Texas

Post Number: 199
Registered: Jan-09

Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 07:28 pm:

I didn't realize this hobby was so passionate. It seems to me there are too many variables in play to rate speakers. I know I saw similar discussion regarding a speaker shootout involving craigsub. This one included a manufacturer who was not pleased with the outcome and questioned the process for the double blind test. Certainly taste comes into play which trumps reality in some cases. Even reality differs from one to another.

Sean - Did you get the Evo's? How are the 525's sounding?

Gold Member

Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon
USA

Post Number: 9909
Registered: Feb-05

Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 07:30 pm:

Good for you Freddie on not worrying about it. Take it as far as you can and if it's not audible let it go. Can you feel it at really low volumes...not that that is a problem. I only play music in my home office very quietly during the work week so my wife can watch TV in the living room...the weekend is my time and I play music all weekend (except for movies in the evening)...so if you can feel it at low volumes I'll try mine tonight when I get home.

There will be some port noise on just about any speaker that I know of that use a port. BTW mine keep improving as well...

Gold Member

Username: T_bomb25

Dayton, Ohio
United States

Post Number: 2119
Registered: Jun-05

Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 07:30 pm:

Yeah you should'nt go there,so we'll leave it at that,Freddie contact Wharfedale,thats your best bet.

Gold Member

Username: T_bomb25

Dayton, Ohio
United States

Post Number: 2120
Registered: Jun-05

Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 07:34 pm:

Audible noise from the listening seat is unacceptable,a well built speaker will not do that.

Bronze Member

Username: Boulderdashcci

Canton, Massachusetts
USA

Post Number: 60
Registered: Apr-07

Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 07:37 pm:

At low volumes I can't really feel it, only when I push them. I just tried a somewhat bassy song with my ear to the port, and covering the leak with my finger and it seems to make a small difference in that it seems to get a bit tighter (something goes away when I cover the leak, I'm not sure how to describe it), but I'm not sure that something is big enough to make it into the overall presentation. Whatever though, again if I can get them fixed I will, if not, I won't lose any sleep over it.

Gold Member

Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon
USA

Post Number: 9910
Registered: Feb-05

Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 08:08 pm:

Audible port noise can also be a function of placement...you can always try other placement options however for now you may want to just enjoy and let them break in.

Tawaun or Freddie, if you have a good contact number for Wharfedale now would be a good time for that. Many of us don't live near the US Wharfedale distrubutor.

Chris H

Silver Member

Username: Hawkbilly

Nova Scotia
Canada

Post Number: 587
Registered: Jul-07

Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 08:10 pm:

"...some of the Vets on this forum,dont like the truth..."

Could you point them out ? I'll get the tomatoes.

Art's being the bigger man. You're being an idiot. Why exactly is your opinion more important than anyone elses ? Who died and appointed you the Dr. Ruth of audio ?

Sorry Art. I'll shut-up now.

Bronze Member

Username: Boulderdashcci

Canton, Massachusetts
USA

Post Number: 61
Registered: Apr-07

Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 08:20 pm:

I've come across a couple numbers linked to them, all in my general area. I'll be calling tomorrow so I'll post which ever one gets through to them, as I'm not sure what's what right now.

The noise I heard definitely was coming from the speaker port itself, as i put my ear to it and could hear it clearly until I turned it down. It only came from the one speaker and only happened the one time so I didn't think much of it, but now that it looks like the tweeter isn't right I think there might be more to it.

Gold Member

Username: Nickelbut10

Post Number: 2577
Registered: Jun-07

Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 08:29 pm:

It seems like a lot of people have Defects on their Wharfedale speakers. Three people on this thread alone have had issues out of the box with them. I know one pair are used. Are the others refurbished?

Gold Member

Username: Exerciseguy

Brooklyn, NY
United States

Post Number: 2679
Registered: Oct-04

Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 08:41 pm:

As long as I keep mine in the box, I should be OK.

Gold Member

Username: Nickelbut10

Post Number: 2578
Registered: Jun-07

Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 08:46 pm:

lol No issues with yours I hope Chris. You still listening to them? Any thoughts yet on what you think? Improvements over the Beta's?

Gold Member

Username: Exerciseguy

Brooklyn, NY
United States

Post Number: 2680
Registered: Oct-04

Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 08:49 pm:

Not yet, I haven't had the chance to hook them up.

Gold Member

Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon
USA

Post Number: 9911
Registered: Feb-05

Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 09:15 pm:

I'm absoultely sure that they are refurbs or factory seconds Nick. Either that or Wharfedale's Chinese factory has poor oversight. None of my Diamonds would seat properly on a stand. Mike sent me one replacement speaker but it was obviously manufactured differently as it has some very real cosmetic differences from the matched pair. I noticed some glue smudges and places where the finish isn't perfect on Evo's but overall I'm very pleased...not sure if I'll ever drive 'em hard enough to hear or feel the air that Freddie is feelin' as you guys know I don't listen very loud and it's usually classical or jazz. I'll play 'em a little louder this weekend just to check though.

I would appreciate if you do post that number tomorrow Freddie, thanks.

Chris, I appreciate the support however it's probably better just to move on.

Gold Member

Username: Exerciseguy

Brooklyn, NY
United States

Post Number: 2681
Registered: Oct-04

Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 09:52 pm:

Introducing the Wharfedale Diamond 10 Series:

http://uk.cinenow.com/articles/9641-wharfedale-new-diamond-10-series-speakers

http://www.wharfedale.co.uk/downloads/en/DIA_10-low.pdf

Gold Member

Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon
USA

Post Number: 9913
Registered: Feb-05

Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 10:12 pm:

Probably the breakthrough folks will appreciate most is the magnetic grills...lol!

Gold Member

Username: T_bomb25

Dayton, Ohio
United States

Post Number: 2121
Registered: Jun-05

Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 10:33 pm:

Chris,its a lot of things i would say to you,but i would get banned for it,so im gonna leave it at that.

Gold Member

Username: T_bomb25

Dayton, Ohio
United States

Post Number: 2122
Registered: Jun-05

Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 10:37 pm:

Sound Import,LLC
508-422-9788

Gold Member

Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon
USA

Post Number: 9914
Registered: Feb-05

Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 10:39 pm:

Thank you Tawaun.

Bronze Member

Username: Boulderdashcci

Canton, Massachusetts
USA

Post Number: 62
Registered: Apr-07

Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 10:44 pm:

The other number I came across was IAG at 508-850-3950

As I said, not sure which one works/would be better for getting through to them.

Gold Member

Username: Exerciseguy

Brooklyn, NY
United States

Post Number: 2682
Registered: Oct-04

Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 10:45 pm:

If the EVO2 from STO are B-Stock or Refubs., I'm going to be SERIOUSLY pissed!

That would explain the price.

If I was sold these speakers under false pretences, they are going back no matter how good they sound!

Gold Member

Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon
USA

Post Number: 9915
Registered: Feb-05

Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 10:55 pm:

I don't blame you Chris. I'm probably more reacting to the QC with the Diamonds. More hopeful that the consistently poor QC is because it's B-stock. Probably isn't...more likely the poor oversight with whatever Chinese manufatcurer they are using. I believe that the Evo's may be manufatcured in a different facility. Best idea is to call the distributor tomorrow and ask...straight up. Bed time for me...4:00 am comes fast.

Gold Member

Username: Exerciseguy

Brooklyn, NY
United States

Post Number: 2683
Registered: Oct-04

Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 11:05 pm:

If I have a beef, it's with STO.

I haven't opened the box yet, I'm going to call Mike and ask what's what? Flimsy grills, ill-fitting driver housings, veneer issues?

I wonder if this was why AUDIO ADVISOR dropped Wharfedale as quickly as they did a while back?

Gold Member

Username: Exerciseguy

Brooklyn, NY
United States

Post Number: 2684
Registered: Oct-04

Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 11:25 pm:

OK, I'm calming down after this new review:

http://www.audioreview.com/cat/speakers/bookshelf-speakers/wharfedale/wharfedale -evo-2-10-speaker-pair-main-/-stereo-speaker/PRD_441927_4290crx.aspx

Anybody we know?

Gold Member

Username: T_bomb25

Dayton, Ohio
United States

Post Number: 2123
Registered: Jun-05

Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 11:52 pm:

I did some checking around,so i called wildwestelectronics,and they refused to coment on STO,instead the guy just gave a sniker,so that deffinetly didnt sound good.Art when i called the distributor he said he had never heard of the port chuffing problem before.So it makes me wonder was their recent problem with N.American distridution tied in with their quality of control problems,so in so many ways i guess you can call them b-stock.Im sorry to all of you,who bought them i wish i had known about these issues or the status of the stock that STO has in compared to other retailers and the new distribution of Wharfedale again im very sorry.The funny thing is Art had issues wth his Diamond 9.1's that were from STO,i didnt get mine from STO nada no problems at all yet as soon as the 9.0's came out of the box i had to go in repair the terminal wires,my Diamonds 9.1's that i didnt get from STO didnt even have the grill problem,my Evo2 8's grills broke as soon as i tried to take them off,the reconmedation of the ELT's really stands now,and i know what their stock looks like with my own eyes,and its very very good,i hope this can make up for some of this Evo2 fiasco.

Silver Member

Username: Mordecai

Texas

Post Number: 200
Registered: Jan-09

Posted on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 11:55 pm:

That's a very nice reveiw Chris. Some of that review matched some of the things Tawaun said about them.

I don't t believe STO is selling "B" stock without telling us. I've purchased two pairs and neither pair had any visual flaws. I did have a broken grill but no other problems. But, I don't know as much about speakers as the rest of you do and I may not have looked at them as close as you guys either. However, I am satisfied and will buy from them again should I decide to move up to the 10's.

Silver Member

Username: Mordecai

Texas

Post Number: 201
Registered: Jan-09

Posted on Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 12:06 am:

Well I'm calling them tomorrow but how can I complain when Soundstage and Wildwest sell these speakers for twice as much. The only thing that would bother me is selling them as "A" stock but I can't complain about the price and I have no complaints about the quality. By the way, the 9.1's I had did not have any grill problems and the guy I shipped them to in Mass said the speakers were in outstanding shape. I think the grills are breaking because they ship with them on the speakers. The speakers I purchased from internet dealers shipped with the speakers wrapped and protected.

Silver Member

Username: Mordecai

Texas

Post Number: 202
Registered: Jan-09

Posted on Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 12:10 am:

Does anyone know when the 525T sale ends? All this STO talk has me a little nervous about purchasing anymore Wharfedales until we get to the bottom of this.

Also, how do paper treated drivers compare to kevlar and aluminum and such? Will they last as long? Do they have the same punch? It seems like paper treated is kind of an old school old or past technology.

Platinum Member

Username: Insearchofbass

Post Number: 11656
Registered: Jun-04

Posted on Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 12:17 am:

Well I do have to chime in on the t525 because they both seem to have a very small blemish at the exact same spot and the same side on each speaker. I would call it natural wood finish but it doesnt look like that to me. Otherwise the speakers look fine. Mordecai I missed the delivery of my wharfedales again so tomorrow will be the day.

Gold Member

Username: T_bomb25

Dayton, Ohio
United States

Post Number: 2124
Registered: Jun-05

Posted on Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 12:19 am:

I didnt write that review I've never wrote a review in their review section,I havent posted on the audioreview forums in over 2years maybe even 3 since i had the Odyssey Epiphanies i dont even have 100 posts there.I do think STO is selling B-stock,with all the issues and wildwestelectronics is still selling retail,something isnt adding up,I feel the wharfedale distributors owe owners a explanation at the least,this is rediculous.

Platinum Member

Username: Insearchofbass

Post Number: 11657
Registered: Jun-04

Posted on Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 12:23 am:

ps I bought a nice digital camera guys but it will take a week to get here.

Silver Member

Username: Mordecai

Texas

Post Number: 203
Registered: Jan-09

Posted on Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 12:25 am:

I agree Tawaun but we did not pay retail so I can only comlain that I was not told it was "B" stock.

Sean, did you get the Wharfies yet?

Gold Member

Username: T_bomb25

Dayton, Ohio
United States

Post Number: 2125
Registered: Jun-05

Posted on Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 12:27 am:

Sean thats a bookmatched veneer,its part of the veneer.

Gold Member

Username: T_bomb25

Dayton, Ohio
United States

Post Number: 2126
Registered: Jun-05

Posted on Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 12:32 am:

I hear you Mordecai,but chuffing ports and drivers not fitting correctly is not b-stock thats a defect.

Platinum Member

Username: Insearchofbass

Post Number: 11658
Registered: Jun-04

Posted on Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 12:38 am:

"As long as I keep mine in the box, I should be OK."

Im afraid to open mine when i get them now. I think im going to send mine back after reading this.

Dan L.

Silver Member

Username: Kbear

Canada

Post Number: 131
Registered: Dec-06

Posted on Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 12:39 am:

I agree Tawaun but we did not pay retail so I can only comlain that I was not told it was "B" stock.

Yes, but if you were told it was B stock would you have bought? Some people probably wouldn't. A seller is supposed to be open and honest.

Anyways, I'm glad I didn't bite on this offer. At one point I was just about ready to call. That rosewood finish was enticing! Guess it's a lesson to all, when you see a great deal that in itself might be a red flag. Of course, great deals do exist, and perhaps there is an explanation for all of this from STO and the distributor.

The grills on my Quads seem to be very well made. Does anyone know if they are the same as the EVO2 grills? I have no concerns as to whether they will hold up, they are much better designed than my Tannoy grills. Maybe it comes down to the fact that you are paying for the Quad finish, and with that comes better quality grills.

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Username: Insearchofbass

Post Number: 11659
Registered: Jun-04

Posted on Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 12:46 am:

"Sean thats a bookmatched veneer,its part of the veneer."

Ok thanks.

By the way lets take the discussion of the 5.25's to my thread like Art asked.

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Username: T_bomb25

Dayton, Ohio
United States

Post Number: 2127
Registered: Jun-05

Posted on Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 12:47 am:

I think the sale ends on the 19th but i dont know what goes on sale and what goes off of sale and av123 has a lot of ELT's in Cherry,because the Rockets are their most pubbed speaker and the only finish for them is called Rocket Roswood,so everyone buys Rosewood in the Rockets,Mini Strata,and ELT's their all made in China,the X-series,LS6&LS9 are made in Columbia and they have a lot more finshes.My X-static's are Moho natural satin,the X-Omni's i had were called Moho Diamond the diamond finish is like a gloss finish but not quite as glossy and made with a different technique,the ELT i had were the Rosewood and they were beautiful,but I've seen the cherry and it isvery nice too rosewood is av123's original finish and plus people see cherry all the time its the new black these days.

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Username: Insearchofbass

Post Number: 11660
Registered: Jun-04

Posted on Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 12:49 am:

"Sean, did you get the Wharfies yet?"

No but after reading the problems here im going to send them back. And it better be with no restocking fee.

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Username: T_bomb25

Dayton, Ohio
United States

Post Number: 2128
Registered: Jun-05

Posted on Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 12:53 am:

Yep Sean ok.

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Username: Insearchofbass

Post Number: 11661
Registered: Jun-04

Posted on Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 12:58 am:

Mordecai as far as the t525's go they do seem to get pretty low but I really dont think they will have enough for what your looking for. Call it instinct. My suggestion would be build your own sq oriented subwoofer with a plate amp from parts express unless these guys can guide you to another amp and that can fill in the missing bass along side your evo 8's.

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Username: Insearchofbass

Post Number: 11662
Registered: Jun-04

Posted on Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 01:06 am:

No I changed my mind ill try the wharfedales out and if theres a problem ill report it. As far as the port what size is it?

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Username: T_bomb25

Dayton, Ohio
United States

Post Number: 2129
Registered: Jun-05

Posted on Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 01:26 am:

About a inch 1/2 i think.

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Username: Insearchofbass

Post Number: 11663
Registered: Jun-04

Posted on Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 01:32 am:

Wow that is a small port. Did you say you had port noise?

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Username: T_bomb25

Dayton, Ohio
United States

Post Number: 2130
Registered: Jun-05

Posted on Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 01:48 am:

Yep mine chuffed bad at low levels with bass heavy material that Diamond 9.1 didnt chuff a at all they never chuffed even if i turned them up to levels i really dont listen at,at normal levels with the Evo2 8's were unexceptable to me.They flat out dont compete with the 525T in the bass,the Evo2 8's are very good thru the midrange and topend, the bass is no contest,not to mention all that bass information and low level detail your getting with the 525Tthats uncommon for a speaker at that price,the port chuffing is a deal breaker regardless with the Evo2's.

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Username: Insearchofbass

Post Number: 11664
Registered: Jun-04

Posted on Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 01:54 am:

did the evo 10's port chuff? If so im sending them back without opening them.

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Username: T_bomb25

Dayton, Ohio
United States

Post Number: 2131
Registered: Jun-05

Posted on Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 02:06 am:

I think Freddie has the 10's scroll back up the page and see what he said,port chuffing unexceptable at any listening level a well engineered speaker wont do it even if its played loudly.

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Username: Boulderdashcci

Canton, Massachusetts
USA

Post Number: 63
Registered: Apr-07

Posted on Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 02:24 am:

I only heard it the one time, on one song, on of one of the speakers, and I haven't heard it since. I'm thinking it was related to my tweeter not being seated properly because as I said in an earlier post, covering the leak with my finger does change what I hear from the port. I'm not an engineer so I couldn't tell you exactly what's happening, but I definitely think it's related to the leak.

Has anyone actually had a look inside and can confirm that the tweeter housing is actually glued and not a screw threaded into the housing? If this is just a matter of taking them apart and tightening something I could do that myself....Although it doesn't seem likely as the housing seems set pretty firmly in place right now.

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Username: T_bomb25

Dayton, Ohio
United States

Post Number: 2132
Registered: Jun-05

Posted on Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 02:43 am:

My drivers were seated correctly and they still chuffed badly,i dont think the driver seated problem has a lot to do with it,but air leaking out of the cabinet is bad to,thats just terrible flaws,its as simple as that if you can buy a pair Insgonia's from Best Buy and they dont do it,then a company like wharfedale with 80 + years of experiance deffinetly should'nt have it my god their the oldest speaker company in exsistense,im a Wharfedale fan its all fading quite fast,the problems with the Evo2 8 is a big part of the reason i didnt buy the Opus2's,and im glad i didnt.

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Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon
USA

Post Number: 9916
Registered: Feb-05

Posted on Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 07:30 am:

My Evo's don't have the problem at all. Interesting that we are just now hearing about this. The picture that had been drawn about the Evo's before this was quite different. Again I haven't experienced it at all. Perhaps it's the music I listen to.

Mordecai if your worried about paper drivers I wouldn't. My R5's have plain old paper drivers and they have considerably more punch and extension than the 525T (per their specs) and the Evo2 10. It's more about the execution of the technology than the actual materials.

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Username: Exerciseguy

Brooklyn, NY
United States

Post Number: 2685
Registered: Oct-04

Posted on Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 07:56 am:

I would really like to keep the EVO2, and as most know, I have no hang-ups about buying B-Stock & Refurbs (virtually everything I own is either one or the other)., I've also done business with STO before (Mission M70, perfect), and Mike seems like a really good guy, but I've got to get to the bottom of this.

Mordecai, I too wouldn't worry about paper drivers, my Mission speakers used paper drivers, as do my Tekton (Fostex).

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Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon
USA

Post Number: 9917
Registered: Feb-05

Posted on Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 08:11 am:

My Evo2 10's have a 2 1/4 inch port and again port noise has not been a problem. I will say this again though that I haven't heard a ported speaker yet that didn't have some audible port noise...at least not at the affordable level. It may vary where or at what distance you hear the port noise but it will be there.

I asked Mike how he sold them at the price he did and he stated something about, and I could remember wrong so calling him will get you his actual answer, that as the distributor changed they had a bunch of old stock that they blew out and Mike was able to pick it up at a steal..something to that effect. Could be true, not sure that I bought it.

Again...I'm very satisfied with the quality of my Evo's and so go forward unafraid Chris...they really are a step up from the Beta's and a really good deal. Though I do understand your need to get to the bottom of it.

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Username: Exerciseguy

Brooklyn, NY
United States

Post Number: 2686
Registered: Oct-04

Posted on Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 08:21 am:

Well Art, that's the same story Mike told me when I questioned him about how he was able to sell these speakers at their current prices, that and that he was eager to move the MAPLE.

I trust he was telling the truth.

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Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon
USA

Post Number: 9918
Registered: Feb-05

Posted on Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 08:24 am:

Yep...he said the Maple thing to me as well, so it seems that the story is consistent...I'll give him the benefit of the doubt as he has done good by me.

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Username: Exerciseguy

Brooklyn, NY
United States

Post Number: 2687
Registered: Oct-04

Posted on Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 08:27 am:

Sounds like a better plan than putting out a contract on the guy ;)

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Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon
USA

Post Number: 9919
Registered: Feb-05

Posted on Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 08:30 am:

LOL! Poor Mike if he only knew how close he was...not!

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Username: Exerciseguy

Brooklyn, NY
United States

Post Number: 2688
Registered: Oct-04

Posted on Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 08:49 am:

"Leave the Wharfedales, take the cannolis."

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Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon
USA

Post Number: 9920
Registered: Feb-05

Posted on Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 09:03 am:

Excellent Chris...lol!

Well, off to work...

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Username: Nickelbut10

Post Number: 2579
Registered: Jun-07

Posted on Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 09:25 am:

All this defect talk makes me glad I only buy speakers from my local dealer, and not online. Whew!!!!

lol.

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Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon
USA

Post Number: 9921
Registered: Feb-05

Posted on Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 10:40 am:

Then you're lucky I'm not talking about the defective gear I've bought from dealers...let me start with...lol!

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Username: Boulderdashcci

Canton, Massachusetts
USA

Post Number: 64
Registered: Apr-07

Posted on Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 11:28 am:

Just called all three numbers I could find....The two 508 numbers were machines (the IAG one just sounds like a basic house machine so I don't know if it's even really them but the Sound Import one is actually them) and the California number was disconnected. Left messages with the working numbers......Hopefully I get a call back. Think it would be worth calling STO to see what they have to say?

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Username: Boulderdashcci

Canton, Massachusetts
USA

Post Number: 65
Registered: Apr-07

Posted on Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 11:48 am:

I just heard back from the Sound Import guy....He said I probably don't have a warranty but what I'm describing is an easy fix and I could bring them over or try doing it myself. Basically it's just a setscrew holding the housing in place so I can just loosen that, adjust it, and retighten. Going to look for a set of allen keys to try it now.

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Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon
USA

Post Number: 9922
Registered: Feb-05

Posted on Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 12:29 pm:

Thanks for the update Freddie.

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Username: Insearchofbass

Post Number: 11667
Registered: Jun-04

Posted on Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 12:48 pm:

My wharfedales didnt come today. It looks like he forgot to ship them. Im going to tell him to refund my card.

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Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon
USA

Post Number: 9923
Registered: Feb-05

Posted on Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 12:59 pm:

You really should Sean...if you are happy with your 525T's then there is no sense pressing forward unless you're just curious. Meanwhile please post on your AV123 thread about your newbies...we are always interested in folks impressions of their new toys.

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Username: T_bomb25

Dayton, Ohio
United States

Post Number: 2133
Registered: Jun-05

Posted on Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 01:11 pm:

I've taken both pairs i had a part and the port and the housing are alloy and somehow its glued to the wood,i dont see how you can fix it its already fixated there,there is a screen on the back of the port it might be the culprit of the chuffing although the port on the inside is made of carboard that could also be part of the problem to,i was dissapointed when i seen that.

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Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon
USA

Post Number: 9924
Registered: Feb-05

Posted on Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 01:20 pm:

I think it's the tweeter assembly that Freddie was checking on. Personally I would go ahead and take the fella up on taking it to him to look at...that way if he makes a mess of it, perhaps you'd have some recourse.

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Username: T_bomb25

Dayton, Ohio
United States

Post Number: 2134
Registered: Jun-05

Posted on Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 01:23 pm:

Art me and you listen to alot of the same jazz,you must have gotten lucky,the port on the 10's are a little bigger than the 8's i remember when i owned the old Evo 20's never had a probelem out of them and they played very deep bass.

Sean port size has nothing to do with chuffing or bass response,the Era's have 1 inch ports they throw out a lot of air,but their never noisey and they play down to the low 40's the 5's that is noise free,no matter how loud you have them even with bass heavy material.

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Username: T_bomb25

Dayton, Ohio
United States

Post Number: 2135
Registered: Jun-05

Posted on Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 01:30 pm:

Kind a makes me wish i would have bought the Quad 11 L2,they would have brought more money,but i thought the Evo2 8's sounded better the Quad were a little bright on the topend maybe they wernt broken in,but they were built to a very very high standard and they were dual ported on the rear,I guess i cant complain to much i got $225 out of the Evo2 8's.

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Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon
USA

Post Number: 9925
Registered: Feb-05

Posted on Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 01:33 pm:

Yep, even when I had them playing pretty loud in the main system with vinyl there was not a port noise issue. I'll play with it again either this weekend or next (4 day weekend, weekend after next) and see if I missed something, as you and I know though..that would be hard to miss. Probably the speaker with the most significant port noise issue I've heard of late is the Paradigm Atom Monitor....man that port blows loud! Surprised reviewers haven't caught that.

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Username: Boulderdashcci

Canton, Massachusetts
USA

Post Number: 66
Registered: Apr-07

Posted on Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 01:39 pm:

Yeah I just took it apart and it's defintely glued. I loosened the set screw quite a bit and it would not move at all. My dad suggested just masking the wood off and putting some RTV on it to seal the leak...but he said the gap is so small (like 15,000ths) even reseating it completely probably wouldn't fix it. I just put another call into Sound Import to see what that guy says...But I guess if just sealing it will fix it I'll try that.

Besides all this, I still think they're an excellent speaker, especially for the price they're going for. I'm sure I'd like them even more with better electronics, but I like that they aren't making my cheap Onkyo AVR make a fool of itself when I push it, even though they out-class it quite a bit. They sound very nice at all volumes for the most part.

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Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon
USA

Post Number: 9926
Registered: Feb-05

Posted on Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 02:49 pm:

It's great that you are enjoying the sound Freddie.

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Username: Exerciseguy

Brooklyn, NY
United States

Post Number: 2690
Registered: Oct-04

Posted on Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - 11:08 pm:

http://www.racksandstands.com/asp/show_detail.asp?sku=SY0039&refid=FR1-SY0039

I'm looking at these Sanus DF24 as a possible upgrade over my 24" Dayton stands, any comments?

These look to be very similar to their UF24, but considerably less expensive. They might be a discontinued series, as I can't find any info on them on the Sanus website?

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Username: T_bomb25

Dayton, Ohio
United States

Post Number: 2138
Registered: Jun-05

Posted on Thursday, June 18, 2009 - 01:32 am:

All versions of the Atoms ports chuff loud i dont know why but they do,god i hate port chuffing its so annoying,it just rips the music apart.

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Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon
USA

Post Number: 9933
Registered: Feb-05

Posted on Thursday, June 18, 2009 - 07:15 am:

The stands look nice...especially for that money.

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Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon
USA

Post Number: 9935
Registered: Feb-05

Posted on Thursday, June 18, 2009 - 08:32 am:

One thing to keep in mind while talkin' trash (...lol) about the price Mike is selling these Evo's for is that other IAG poducts have been selling for just a fraction of their retail all over the internet...Quads for example...so it is not unreasonable that the Wharfedales would be about as cheap as he's been selling them for...Wild West is probably out of line with their price. Also relative to their grilles being fragile...check reviews of all Wharfies going back as far as a decade or more...this has been a long time complaint with Wharfies...not new and certainly not just because Mike is carrying them. Just a thought

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Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon
USA

Post Number: 9961
Registered: Feb-05

Posted on Friday, June 19, 2009 - 01:27 am:

Enjoying some lovely classical music with these tonight...

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Username: Mordecai

Texas

Post Number: 206
Registered: Jan-09

Posted on Friday, June 19, 2009 - 09:13 am:

So, you are happy with the 10"s Art? After reading Sean's last post about the 525's I think I am going to pick up a pair of 10's. I just hope I don't have any problems.