Does size matter?

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Username: Monkey_man_jack

Santa Maria, California
United States

Post Number: 558
Registered: Dec-04

Posted on Friday, May 01, 2009 - 10:24 pm:

I'm a fan of the bigger subs, ie 15's and 18's.

I've heard though that 10's are the all around good sub, because they have rumble, and punch which most larger subs tend to lack due to their size.

I wan't something that will blow the roof off the house, would I have to go to an 18" or can i get a 10" to accomplish this?

just pretend the size of the living room is large, that way if it can blow the roof of that size room, i know it will in my room.

I'm looking in $3,000 and less range. Thanks

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Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon
USA

Post Number: 9476
Registered: Feb-05

Posted on Saturday, May 02, 2009 - 02:30 am:

Anything by SVS in that price range.

http://www.svsound.com/products-sub-box-pb13ultra.cfm

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Username: Nuck

Post Number: 12185
Registered: Dec-04

Posted on Saturday, May 02, 2009 - 06:30 am:

JL Audio fathom f113

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Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon
USA

Post Number: 9477
Registered: Feb-05

Posted on Saturday, May 02, 2009 - 09:06 am:

That's a great sub Nuck and the one I would've recommended however the tone of the OP led me to believe that 2 big SV's would be better...lol!

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Username: Nuck

Post Number: 12187
Registered: Dec-04

Posted on Saturday, May 02, 2009 - 10:14 am:

No Royal Daultens on display, I assume, Art! LOL!

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Username: Nuck

Post Number: 12188
Registered: Dec-04

Posted on Saturday, May 02, 2009 - 10:14 am:

That JL is really the benchmark for a few reasons, it seems to me.

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Username: Nuck

Post Number: 12189
Registered: Dec-04

Posted on Saturday, May 02, 2009 - 10:17 am:

OP 04...you say to ssume an auditorium and you are going to stuff it into an average room, right?
Look at the JL subs, then go listen to it.
If you value musicality as well as earthquakes, you will like this sub.

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Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon
USA

Post Number: 9478
Registered: Feb-05

Posted on Saturday, May 02, 2009 - 10:57 am:

However if you value earthquakes first...go with the SV. I'd take the JL for music and the SV for HT.

Interesting how many of the JL's have come up for sale lately on Agon...could be a good deal for someone on the hunt.

I've taken to not using a sub again for music....don't need no dadburned sub. The Hsu fo HT...right on!

leo stierer

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Username: Magfan

USA

Post Number: 430
Registered: Oct-07

Posted on Saturday, May 02, 2009 - 11:50 am:

For 3 large, you would really be better off with a pair of subs at half the cost each. You will get the same SPL, but with less distortion. With proper placement you will also minimize room nodes / standing waves.
While I am personally a fan of HSU Research, there are quite a few subs that'll do.... I live in SoCal, so for me, a trip up to OC and the HQ of HSU was an easy afternoon trip.
Depending on the size of the room, a pair of VTF3's w/turbo will do. Check the HSU site for the room size recommendation chart. Unless you have a room of 6000 ft3 or more AND enjoy it Very loud, a pair of the above mentioned VTF3's will do. The room I mention is HUGE 25' x 30' with a 10' ceiling.
My single VTF 2mk3 works well for me in a smaller room with more modest requirements.

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Username: Nuck

Post Number: 12199
Registered: Dec-04

Posted on Saturday, May 02, 2009 - 12:36 pm:

A certain hard line between musicality and LF response agreed upon.

I like the fathom. I heard it forst at Holm Audio in Chicago with Mike when the Saturn was being auditioned. I went to the next room for JL with Joseph standmounts and Manley amps.

I heard it last at my regular shop, with Dynaudio 52's and Moon I5 amp.

The sub can handle anything, period.

Very hard to say how much is too much, with tonal balance in mind.

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Username: Monkey_man_jack

Santa Maria, California
United States

Post Number: 559
Registered: Dec-04

Posted on Saturday, May 02, 2009 - 08:01 pm:

Art, that PB13 is beautiful, I was drooling

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Username: Monkey_man_jack

Santa Maria, California
United States

Post Number: 560
Registered: Dec-04

Posted on Saturday, May 02, 2009 - 08:04 pm:

Nuck, are they JL HT better than their car subs? I had 12" JL's in my truck and didn't like them at all.

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Username: Monkey_man_jack

Santa Maria, California
United States

Post Number: 561
Registered: Dec-04

Posted on Saturday, May 02, 2009 - 08:05 pm:

i prefer the earthquakes over music, movies are more important than music

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Username: Nuck

Post Number: 12206
Registered: Dec-04

Posted on Saturday, May 02, 2009 - 08:09 pm:

Then twin SVS will move your fillings man!

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Username: Monkey_man_jack

Santa Maria, California
United States

Post Number: 562
Registered: Dec-04

Posted on Saturday, May 02, 2009 - 08:16 pm:

that is exactly what i'm looking for, is that the one that was in the link above?

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Username: Monkey_man_jack

Santa Maria, California
United States

Post Number: 563
Registered: Dec-04

Posted on Sunday, May 03, 2009 - 01:09 am:

that beast goes down to10Hz?! that is crazy, and I love it!

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Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon
USA

Post Number: 9486
Registered: Feb-05

Posted on Sunday, May 03, 2009 - 12:38 pm:

Twin SV's it is then!

Oh and wear a diaper when the twins are in use...those are weapons of mass destruction!

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Username: Nuck

Post Number: 12209
Registered: Dec-04

Posted on Sunday, May 03, 2009 - 01:53 pm:

A diaper?

You said mass destruction, right??

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Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon
USA

Post Number: 9492
Registered: Feb-05

Posted on Sunday, May 03, 2009 - 02:00 pm:

LOL!!!

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Username: Monkey_man_jack

Santa Maria, California
United States

Post Number: 564
Registered: Dec-04

Posted on Sunday, May 03, 2009 - 02:37 pm:

the PB13 has dual subs? or you mean i should get two of them?

is it possible to bottom that sub out? i havent had a sub yet that i havent bottomed out

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Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon
USA

Post Number: 9493
Registered: Feb-05

Posted on Sunday, May 03, 2009 - 02:47 pm:

You said you 3K and a desire to "blow the roof". Why not go the extra mile and take your neighbors roof with ya.

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Username: Nuck

Post Number: 12212
Registered: Dec-04

Posted on Sunday, May 03, 2009 - 03:12 pm:

Nothing says excess like waaaay too much.

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Username: Monkey_man_jack

Santa Maria, California
United States

Post Number: 565
Registered: Dec-04

Posted on Sunday, May 03, 2009 - 08:13 pm:

way too much would be having 2 of them

Is there a store where you can hear them? I don't want to spend 2g's without hearing it. we dont have any fancy A/V stores where I live

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Username: Nuck

Post Number: 12240
Registered: Dec-04

Posted on Sunday, May 03, 2009 - 08:47 pm:

Go to the website and give them a call, there is a 30 day net thingy.

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Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon
USA

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Registered: Feb-05

Posted on Sunday, May 03, 2009 - 09:28 pm:

Customer service with SV is excellent...buy and enjoy!

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Username: Monkey_man_jack

Santa Maria, California
United States

Post Number: 566
Registered: Dec-04

Posted on Sunday, May 03, 2009 - 09:37 pm:

I think I just fell in love all over again. lol

I drool just thinking about that sub

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Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon
USA

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Registered: Feb-05

Posted on Sunday, May 03, 2009 - 10:53 pm:

Let us know how it goes.

Andre Money (---None of it?)

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Username: Monkey_man_jack

Santa Maria, California
United States

Post Number: 567
Registered: Dec-04

Posted on Sunday, May 03, 2009 - 10:59 pm:

Thanks I will, it will be awhile, I gotta start saving, open up a savings account and start putting money in there, i was going to update my Onkyo, but I'll get the sub first

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Username: Arande2

Rattle your ...
Missouri

Post Number: 2958
Registered: Dec-06

Posted on Monday, May 11, 2009 - 06:49 pm:

WEAK!!

Going by strictly the information in your first post, you'd want some pro drivers

A pair of JBL4642A subs would likely get around 135-138dB depending on the installation, or you may get over 140dB with other choices, or if you built one then it'd be even louder (150dB).

However if you ARE watching movies, then you should stay with SVS - probably...