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| Posted on Monday, September 15, 2003 - 01:40 am: |
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do anyone know where i could download the program to transfer songs from my computer to my mzn505 MD player and viceversa? i lost the install cd and i can't do anything without it. Can someone please help!! thanks a lot you can email if you have any idea or just post a reply. |
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New member Username: Superjessie90
Post Number: 1 Registered: 02-2004
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| Posted on Friday, February 27, 2004 - 08:06 pm: |
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they program i have isnt very good (netMD) either that, or i dont know how to work it properly, can someone help me e-mail me |
   
New member Username: Jamtochristian
Post Number: 5 Registered: 03-2004
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| Posted on Tuesday, March 02, 2004 - 04:09 pm: |
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Anonymous, This same thing happened to me when i got an MD player of ebay. The guy sent it to me without the MD cd, and I went through a lot of trouble getting it. I eventually went back to the guy and told him that he needed to send me the cd, so he ripped the iso, and put it on his personal FTP server for me to D/L. Obviously, you will not have this option. But if you need a copy of the cd it is possible I may send you mine. Send me an email. reich2004@operamail.com. I think I can help you out. I am especially willing to help since I went through this pain before, and it is a pain trying to get something online. |
   
New member Username: Luttman23
Post Number: 1 Registered: Apr-04
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| Posted on Thursday, April 29, 2004 - 03:09 pm: |
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TO ALL SUFFERERS OF SONICSTAGE ______________________________ it isn't widely known, but you can transfer your music from your PC to your MD using the free version of RealPlayer. I've had my MD for a month now, and SonicShit reported from the very first install 'Database missing or corrupt'. Sonys customer service are all a bunch of fuckpots who either disconnect you or ignore your emails. Luckily, with a small *free* download, you CAN transfer your music to your NetMD through RealPlayer. Just go to 'Burn/Transfer' then 'Add New Device' and select 'NetMD'. Then you can sit back and torture sony customer support workers while your PC is busy transferring your music to your MD. Everybody is happy. well apart from the customer support guys - but with brains so small they probably can't feel pain, kinda like fish. |
   
New member Username: Lictor
Post Number: 1 Registered: May-04
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| Posted on Friday, May 07, 2004 - 02:38 pm: |
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i too want an alternative to sonicsatge to transfer music. No one knows of some homegrown software? |
   
New member Username: Luttman23
Post Number: 2 Registered: Apr-04
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| Posted on Sunday, May 09, 2004 - 05:32 am: |
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afraid not. Sonic stage 2 is coming out this month tho and has unlimited 'check in' AND 'check out' functions. It looks good from seeing sony's propaganda, but will it actually work...? Let's wait and see. |
   
New member Username: Alleycat
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Post Number: 1 Registered: May-04
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| Posted on Friday, May 14, 2004 - 02:25 pm: |
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I have just got an net md mz-ne410 wont bother even trying sonys software heard such bad reviews , thought about real player as adam suggested but last time i tried real player windows media player threw a fit so that options out too, so Ive wasted my cash it looks like never mind I can still copy my dvds so yah boo sucks to sony, Perhaps you may know of alternatives , I have approx 18gb of mp3 on my hardrives and simply want to transfer stuff back and forth between pc and the net md , seeing adams thread I will look out for the new sony stuff and proceed with caution A really great forum |
   
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| Posted on Monday, May 31, 2004 - 04:37 pm: |
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i can't get my sony MD to download live recorded stuff into my PC...does anyone have any ideas about how to find a program that will let me download from my MD to my PC? |
   
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| Posted on Tuesday, June 01, 2004 - 12:43 am: |
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Is this true, check out will actually work now? |
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pissed @ Sony Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Friday, June 11, 2004 - 06:06 pm: |
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Suzanna, Sorry, but the easiest way to get your recordings onto your computer is to use the headphone jack output, and connect to the input jack on your sound card. Then use your favorite capture software to rerecord what you want in real time. This is monsterous problem that MD recordists face, and most hope that it will lead to the downfall of Sony's MD system if they do not do the right thing and allow direct digital uploading of recordings to your pc.
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| Posted on Sunday, June 13, 2004 - 06:48 pm: |
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I tried to find the burn/transfer option on my version of realplayer and i cant seem to find it, im using realplayer plus ( i couldnt find just realplayer) if anyone could help that would be great, thanks -BrAnDoN- |
   
~`-,.John.,-`~ Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Tuesday, June 15, 2004 - 05:00 pm: |
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I recently had my hard drive formatted, and wanted to get my music transferred from my MD to my PC. I've never had any problems at all with SonicStage in the past, in fact I found the program easy and fast, but i read in the help files that it has protection against checking in on a different comp. Now that my hard drive is formatted it wont let me put my music back. Any suggestions anyone? |
   
~`-,.John.,-`~ Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Tuesday, June 15, 2004 - 05:00 pm: |
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I recently had my hard drive formatted, and wanted to get my music transferred from my MD to my PC. I've never had any problems at all with SonicStage in the past, in fact I found the program easy and fast, but i read in the help files that it has protection against checking in on a different comp. Now that my hard drive is formatted it wont let me put my music back. Any suggestions anyone? |
   
~`-,.John.,-`~ Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Wednesday, June 16, 2004 - 05:23 pm: |
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oops i said it twice lol |
   
SumBody Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Saturday, June 19, 2004 - 11:59 pm: |
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I'm suprised to see these posts...If you've lost your driver or install cd's ect. Simply go to www.sony.com there you can download the complete driver and install files for your Sony NetMD players and any of thier other Minidisk products.. |
   
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| Posted on Wednesday, June 23, 2004 - 07:09 am: |
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I am also finding this problem extremely frustrating. I am trying to use the NetMD walkman to do fieldwork in linguistics and finding it impossible to upload the recordings to my PC. I cannot believe that Sony disallow this function and I might as well chuck the instrument into a dustbin! |
   
manhandler Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Thursday, June 24, 2004 - 03:31 am: |
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i can't find the md driver page on sony's website |
   
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| Posted on Thursday, June 24, 2004 - 09:42 pm: |
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hey ppl, firstly i wana say THANX to the dude who reccomended using real player to download tracks to the net md. its taken me a few hrs to actually find a forum that resolves the problem without suggesting a format! i noticed that real player downloads a plug-in that works along-side sonicstage, i.e. this suggests that nothing on my comp is corrupt (reffering to the database error message) but sony's software itself! thanx once agen. |
   
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| Posted on Saturday, June 26, 2004 - 10:32 am: |
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No worries m8. Sony software sucks ar5e. Apperantly the new Hi-MD players WILL have MD->PC transfer capabilities. Some git nicked off with my NZ710 - they stole it from my coat pocket at work! silly beggers didn't get the battery recharger tho, or the usb cable for it - which I left at home. haha. So I've ordered a Hi-MD player from amazon - I'll let you know if the rumours are true when it finally arrives. Should I take the battery charger and usb cable into work and leave them in my coat pocket for the theives as a present... or should I buy a mouse trap and put that in my coat pocket instead? |
   
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| Posted on Saturday, June 26, 2004 - 10:59 am: |
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mouse trap btw - do u know if real player will actually let u download to the md more than 3 times? i think it should, tho' i haven't tried yet... |
   
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| Posted on Saturday, July 03, 2004 - 05:02 pm: |
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http://ciscdb.sel.sony.com/perl/swu-list.pl?template=EN&mdl=MZN505 try the link above that might help you out. Not sure it works or not as I just download it myself. good luck finding the software. |
   
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| Posted on Saturday, July 03, 2004 - 06:17 pm: |
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Hi just to tell you that if you use the link above to download the software, it will work with your MZ-N505 MD player. I have just done it. Guess its a job done. Happy music to your player. If you wish to thank me, just post it here. |
   
stupidsonicstage Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Thursday, July 08, 2004 - 09:37 pm: |
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my computer had sonicstage already installed in it when i got it. but when i got my md player (MZ-NF610) it came with a sonic stage cd and a program called a "Net MD Simple Burner". so i put in the cd and installed it. but then, it turns out you can only burn from CD's you already have and NOT from the computer harddrive. and then sonic stage just wont work completely. so in uninsatlled it and installed it again, and now BOTH of the prgrams won't work no matter how many times i uninstall and install. i frickin hate stonicstage. stonic. ha. |
   
AudioJunk Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Friday, July 16, 2004 - 01:23 am: |
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I am also looking for a way to transfer MD-->PC, but I think its impossible cause of there g@y compresson format. The easiest way I find to get music to my MD is to use Nero and set up an image drive and burn the music to an image on this drive like you would a CD this takes like 5 minutes. Then use netMD to transfer from the image drive to the MD, this bypasses the stupid protection from SONY. |
   
New member Username: Biohazard
Jackson,
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Post Number: 1 Registered: Jul-04
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| Posted on Saturday, July 17, 2004 - 11:10 pm: |
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i have the ne410 and i want to use a different program other that realplayer and sonicstage they all really suck the big one has anyone found other programs that work better to do this i really want to use it and not feel i have wasted my money on this email me if you have other options to use the md |
   
New member Username: Biohazard
Jackson,
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Post Number: 2 Registered: Jul-04
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| Posted on Saturday, July 17, 2004 - 11:19 pm: |
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besides that it is nt like i have been pirating music i do it for my own benefit and here i pay x amount of dollars to find out just to have the music on my minidiscman i have to save it twice on my hard drive just to be able to play all my mp3's plus takes hours then the sonicstage is so buggy that if it is doing multile tasks it crashes sony i want you to come up with a better program for this i would spend more money on your electronics if i didnt get screwed like this all the time so if anyone can help me please email me @ robnstar319@msn.com i would really appreciate it
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random dude Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Friday, July 23, 2004 - 03:38 am: |
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Guys Here is my story i got sonicstage 1.5 with my minidisc all wen well then i decided to fuke that over and get 2.0 2.0 is bugged tot eh max and wouldnlet me uninstall it i finnahly got rid of it and now i installed 1.5 again the first is alwasy best now thats pooned bigitme and nothin works I RECOOMENT Realone Player 10 *free* www.real.com its good just yup SONY SUX PEN1S THEY ALL HAV TINY POONED UP PEN1SES and HAVE no idea how to make a program ALOT like indows Every1 who has internet EXPLORER i repeat get rid of it its Hacker and Spy centralto here www.mozilla.com and downlaod firefox its great BILL CLiNTON or wat ever ya name is the pooner who runs Microsoft Get a life and grow a pen1s |
   
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| Posted on Sunday, July 25, 2004 - 02:03 pm: |
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Anyone know how to overcome SS problem when transferring to Atrac CD. SS just hangs after progress bar reaches 90%. I then have to re-boot to get the CD out. I've wasted 10 CD's with this software - but there is no alternative available. |
   
djbfvilksbdfviysar Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Sunday, August 01, 2004 - 01:42 am: |
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this mini disk thingy is sh!t, i cant put anything on it and my comp wont read it |
   
Ravin' UK Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Sunday, August 08, 2004 - 06:59 am: |
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The easiet thing to do with this is use RealOnePlayer (yes the free one!). Go to Devices and select Sony Devices. This downloads a little patch from RealPlayer and allows you to transfer Mp3 to your net MD, the same as a CD. Be patient though, you have to mess around with some of the settings before you get it down. Only problem is that it records in Long Play format and so I cannot play my MDs in my mains unit which is older and does not have the LP option. In fact, anyone know how to get round this? |
   
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| Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 02:02 pm: |
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Looking for a solution that will allow you to transfer tracks from your MD to PC quite easily? Check out http://christian.klukas.bei.t-online.de/files/netmd/winNetMD.htm Haven't tried it yet, but supposedly it should be working fine. I'm not associated with the author of this software, which is NOT a freeware. |
   
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| Posted on Thursday, August 12, 2004 - 06:10 pm: |
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I have never read such utter garbage relative to Sonic Stage. Admittedly the first version was a bit limited with the 3 times check in/check out but that and many other minor problems have been well solved in 2.1. By the way, I notice none of the subscribers here seem to have bother using Windows Media Player with Sonic Stage. Series 9, Sonic Stage and a Creative Sound Blaster MP3 is ALL you need to enjoy the full potential of NetMD. Come on - get up to speed! |
   
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| Posted on Thursday, August 19, 2004 - 04:11 pm: |
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I Got a Big problem i had formated my pc and i forgot not to plug in my minin disc player before insttalling damn sonic stage now i cant do nothign when i launch any program sonic/real plyaer they dont see my device i got the damn driver on my pc still Nothing i need help bad lol -Eric plz contact me if u got solution..cyborg_rat@hotmail.com |
   
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| Posted on Saturday, August 21, 2004 - 02:25 pm: |
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I bought a $3.99 male-to-male audio cable at Fry's and plugged one end into the Net MD headphone jack (out) and the other into my Dell laptop microphone jack (in). Using Microsoft's "Sound Recorder" set for analog (click on record) and play the MD in real time, the transfer was perfect. But Sound Recorder only records for 60 seconds! I think it's designed for adding a quick sound clip to other files. How can I record the entire contents of my MD into the PC, and where is the data going (temp folder?) Assuming I can get it to the PC and figure out where the files are, do I then drag & drop to MusicMatch or SonicStage and burn a CD?
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| Posted on Tuesday, August 24, 2004 - 02:13 am: |
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I found solution for all u guys. check out this website http://www.my-minidisc.com/download.html The only problem with this website is that its not in english but still it works. Mail me if u wanna thank me. |
   
JUREK@EEZI.NET.AU Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Thursday, September 09, 2004 - 10:24 am: |
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HI DUDE I GOT YOUR DISC CALL!!!!!! |
   
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| Posted on Saturday, September 11, 2004 - 11:06 pm: |
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so heres my problem, im able to do the transfer to the net md, and it shows that its occured but then when i try to play the minidisc on my net md, it says blank disc? whats up wit that? kinglax@hotmail.com |
   
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FYI If you use all the software that Sony has provided with this MD player, you will be in a world of TROUBLE. Things will break and you will get all sorts of errors and what not. So here is what you need to do (By dino): 1) Install all the software that came with the player 2) Get yourself a copy of NERO burner, you will also need NERO Image drive, Its installed with NERO burner. 3) Open Nero and create a "New Audio CD" project - Drag and drop all your MP3 files (Try to limit these to about 20 files otherwise "Net MD Simple burner will have issues") - basically if you add hella files, it will have memory issues when burning, not because of your hardware, but because of the software - NET MD SIMPLE BURNER. 4) Hit Burn - Select "Hard Drive" as the burn device on the Tab. 5) you will be asked to save image file (pick a location on your Hard drive and save) 6) You will see it burn all the MP3 - when its finished. Kill NERO 7) Now, Start Nero Image Drive and Mount this image. 8) Start NET MD simple burner and it will detect this image of Audio CD and you can move all the tracks to your MD. 9) Once done burning, Open Image drive and unmount the IMAGE and delete the Image file (Image of Audio CD). This was working great until I recently installed XP SP2 (what a piece of junk). so I was having all kinds of install/uninstall issues with XP SP2. and netMd simple burner started giving me problems. I installed SonicStage2.1 and it was still giving me trouble. I have uninstalled XP SP2 and will rollback to my first install of Net MD Simple Burner that was working. I hope Sony's STOCK falls and falls and falls and falls.... there are like 20 different ways of putting songs on the MD and none of them work well. How SAD! There should be 1 simple method of putting mp3 on the DISC (period). |
   
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| Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 05:27 pm: |
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I currently have a minidisc player and love Real Player and it's transfer ability! I want to know if anyone knows if Real Player supports writing to the HI-MD minidisc players such as the MZNH600D? I'm thinking about buying one, but I really don't want to if I'm stuck with Sonic Stage. I've searched quite a bit but I can't even find a list of models that Real Player supports.. Thank in advance for any help! \Bear |
   
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| Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 05:38 pm: |
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PattiM: if your recording from your 'line in' on your computer, you can try a free program called Audacity. ( http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ ) It's an excellent program that is spyware/adware free. It has the ability to save to WAVE format, and if you want to save space it can also import to MP3 format (with another free download, the website tells you all about this.) I don't know of anything that will rip the tracks straight from your MD recorder though. hope that helps. \Bear |
   
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Ok I have a HI-MD 800. Really happy with it, But SonicStage sucks even as they brought out the new one. still cannot transfer back to comp with md that has not been recorded on that comp. tarting hell, they are so stupid. MD could be really big if sony sorted their act out. Hi-MD is such a good idea. I love the 1 gb disk for data and music. Yes to the person who wanted to know about realplayer and Hi-MD's being able to transfer. oh and BTW if you buy an 800 nb the remote stick does not light up (no backlight). |
   
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| Posted on Tuesday, September 21, 2004 - 01:19 pm: |
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I Just Bought an Aiwa am-nx9 and it came with sonic stage 1.5. After the original Open mg Jukebox Killed my last pc and my old MZ-N1 I was v.skeptical. However it turns out that the software I got included was sonic stage 1.53 which has four sony made patches built into it! It is smooth as a babies @rse and the Simpleburner is patched too for added smoothness! I'm Stoked BUT I still want digital uploading from my md player! Surely there is a friendly computer programmer that has found a way to bypass the anti upload section of sonic stage (via a patch) if this is so, PLEASE e-mail me! |
   
lunatik Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Tuesday, September 21, 2004 - 08:46 pm: |
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Thanks a lot , i was having problems to transfer music on my sony mz-n710 with this sonicstage2.0 that wouldn't work. Thanks to you Adam Luttman RealMedia Player can do the transfer without any problem , just download the device driver within RealMedia and it will do it ! |
   
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I really think that the positive comments in this forum that are posted about Sony and Net MD are made by Sony employees. They must hire people to surf and spread the JOY of Sony...... I bought NET MD a Year ago and I will NEVER EVER buy another product from Sony. It's really nice that they'd like to prevent copyright infingement at the price of my sanity, but next time I think I'll just skip the "fun" (similar to having my toenails pulled out) and speak with my wallet by becoming another company's customer. All this because I wanted to listen to music that I own on a player that I own. Thanks Sony. P.S. Post some happy "get on the Sony bandwagon message after this and I'll lose my lunch that I paid for too.... |
   
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Hey another idea for those that hate OpenMG cramming up your hard drive. Ok it's not my idea so all credit goes to dino. I got the 'Simple Burn' software, not bundled with the AUZ models, not even a mention of it (thanks sony, luv ya), and yes it is simple and is limited to LP2/LP4, but what it does, it does well and the software isn't a bugfest like openMD. Rips albums quite fast and very happy with LP2 for quality. I found a quick and easy way to get my mp3's onto my MD by using Simple Burn. I haven't seen this on any other post and my apologies if I'm just repeating someone elses idea. CAVEAT- you need Nero, and nero's imagedrive, or something similar that can create a virtual CD disc image, and mount it to your desktop. Five easy steps to a clean and hassle free mp3-md burn: 1. Open nero, select Audio CD from the presets and drag all the MP3's you want into it. Nero is far less picky about formats and sample rates. I found this method foolproof. 2. Save or 'Burn' your cd to your hard drive (not your burner). Nero will give you a default filename of 'image.nrg' 3. Use Nero's imagedrive (bundled with nero) to mount the .nrg you just created. Lets say for this example, drive 'F' I'm not an expert, but I found these 3 steps took around 2 MINUTES or less for a regular sized audio cd, ie: about 10 mp3 tracks to be converted and 'burned' to my hard drive as a regular audio CD 'image'. I have a PIII 1gig, so that would have helped with the mp3-aif conversion times. Faster machine=faster mp3 conversion=faster image creation. Now If you know how to use Simple Burn, the rest as they say, goes without saying. 4. Select your 'virtual F' cd drive in Simple Burn & burn that sucker. 5. When you're done, trash the .nrg file sitting on your desktop (large file). If your machine is 'fairly' fast (most today are) then Simpleburns' CD-Atrak conversion is done in on-the-fly in RAM. Notice your HD doesn't tick over at all. see his original post here: http://www.t-station.net/forum/printthread.php?threadid=4825 |
   
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| Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 05:18 pm: |
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I've tried both Nero and Realplayer methods but I get an error after song 4 or 5. I have a sony N505 NetMD. After I get an error, I tried to continue transfering with the next song but still get the same error. It's bugging the crap out of me! Ravin' UK posted that you need to mess around with the settings but I'm not sure what the correct settings are. Could it be that my PC is too slow or something? (PIII,800Mhz,256RAM) I haven't tried sonicstage 2 yet but Realplayer method seems like the simplest if I could just get the damn thing working. For the people who have transfered mp3s with Realplayer, could you tell me your settings? and do you ever get an error like me? |
   
theywon'taccaptmyname Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Friday, September 24, 2004 - 07:18 pm: |
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now for the philosophy. I know everybody in here told himself already a thousand times "i will never buy their crap again" but the trouth is we will. we will gulp down that kind of whoreshit like a greased and nameless asshoule. why, because you know that feeling when you open the cardbord box, the smell of sony sweet and pure in your nostrils, the feel, the touch, the sound of each button. Face it, we don't have a choice, sony got us by the balls. big time. |
   
qwerty keyboard Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Thursday, September 30, 2004 - 07:30 pm: |
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I bought an MZ N505 off of ebay but no cd came with it. I have tried every version of Sonic out there and every transfer results in the same thing - blue screen of death with the stop error being 0x0000000a followed by a bunch of others. Using XP Pro P$ 2.8Ghz Chip. I then tried using Real Player but keep getting "Some of the files you are trying to transfer are not supported by your device blah blah blah" after about a 30 -50% transfer. I am about to through this piece of sh*t out the window. Any thoughts? |
   
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I had sonicstage working at one point, then unisintalled, then when i re-installed it, it wouldn'y work, somethin about corrupt database, so then i went to real.com to get the real player thing like you guys said, but i cannot download it, it says your settings will not allow this download, and i dont know why lol, i turned my cookie thing to minimum, an same with security settings, i disabled zone alarm...what else could it be?? |
   
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| Posted on Saturday, October 16, 2004 - 11:18 pm: |
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I bought a Sony MZ-N420D MD recorder/player. I got it at a steal with the USB and headphones for $40...but without the software. I have windows 98 and it won't accept sonicstage on a download. Does anyone have suggestions? I am NOT a techie, all I want to do is transfer my CD's to a minidisk because the unit is smaller to carry around and a lot more convenient. Can anyone help me, I'm willing to pay!!! |
   
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| Posted on Sunday, October 17, 2004 - 02:03 pm: |
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Yeah, I hate sonicstage too. You should just use the free version of RealPlayer, but even my sh1t comp has problems with that. Timmins |
   
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| Posted on Monday, October 18, 2004 - 07:15 am: |
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I have been using sonic stage for ages with no problem, now all of a sudden whenever I try to import music fils, or check out music files to my MD player, i get an error message saying (Omgjbox.exe has encountered a problem and needs to close. We are sorry for the inconvenience.) i have not changed a thing, the PC is exactly the same as it was when i last used it with no problem, my MD player is the same. I can't understand why it has decided to stop working. I've uninstalled and reinstalled with no luck. Any help would be hugely appreciated. Thanks |
   
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| Posted on Tuesday, October 19, 2004 - 08:05 am: |
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Anyone know how to make a stereo recording from PC to MD without using OpenMG? Used to be able to use real player but for some reason can only record LP2 Thanks |
   
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Can anyone help me? I have MZ-NH600. Sonicstage was really poor and I wanted some other software to move music from my PC to MD. I think that microsoft's SP2 has wrecked sonicstage, so now it doesn't work at all. Can anyone suggest a solution? I pissed that I was screwed by Sony with the shitware and now microsoft has busted the parts of sonicstage that worked. grrrr. |
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