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Gold Member
Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon
USA

Post Number: 7032
Registered: Feb-05
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Congrats Nick...hopefully this is your first and last...lord knows I've done it a few times...lol!!
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Gold Member
Username: Nickelbut10

Post Number: 1621
Registered: Jun-07
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lol thanks for the blessings everyone. I am sure it will a good time.
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Platinum Member
Username: Nuck

Post Number: 10354
Registered: Dec-04
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Here's to the Bride and Groom!
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Bronze Member
Username: Pcstockton

Post Number: 86
Registered: Apr-08
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Nick,

Upgrade everything you think you might want to NOW!

Who knows when you will be "allowed to" in the future!
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Gold Member
Username: Mike3

Wylie, Tx
USA

Post Number: 1331
Registered: May-06
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CM, Once you found the footprint where you want the sub stick a speaker stand under to get it at least 30" off of the ground. If you don't like it drop it back down.



Nuck, are you wearing your tux to Nick's affair?



Nick, ditto what Patrick just said and get it in the pre-nup. LOL




Congrats! Look forward to hearing from you in 6 months or so....
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Silver Member
Username: Stryvn

Wisconsin

Post Number: 788
Registered: Dec-06
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Nuck's got a Tux?
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Gold Member
Username: Stu_pitt

Irvington, New York
USA

Post Number: 2848
Registered: May-05
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Of course he does. Here's Nuck on his wedding day...

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Gold Member
Username: Dmitchell

Ottawa, Ontario
Canada

Post Number: 1039
Registered: Feb-07
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The red bow tie is a nice touch.
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Gold Member
Username: Stu_pitt

Irvington, New York
USA

Post Number: 2853
Registered: May-05
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He's got a St Paddy's Day wedding tux too...

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Gold Member
Username: Stu_pitt

Irvington, New York
USA

Post Number: 2854
Registered: May-05
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I really should be able to let this one die, but I can't...

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Gold Member
Username: Mike3

Wylie, Tx
USA

Post Number: 1335
Registered: May-06
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Looks like you left everyone speachless Stu...

the last one almost looks like what I wore to prom.
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Platinum Member
Username: Nuck

Post Number: 10361
Registered: Dec-04
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I...uhhh...






















That's my other brother, Darryl.
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Platinum Member
Username: Nuck

Post Number: 10370
Registered: Dec-04
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I wonder how fainting Nick and his wedding emerg assistants are making out?

Nick, if we hear from you in the next 2 weeks, except for wine, music and lubricants...
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Gold Member
Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon
USA

Post Number: 7063
Registered: Feb-05
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Let's hope we don't hear from his lubricants...lol!
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Bronze Member
Username: Afj

Gaborone
Botswana

Post Number: 82
Registered: Jan-08
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came across this guitar. apparently guitars like this were used in the townships during apartheid south africa

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Silver Member
Username: Wattsssup

Barrie, ON
Canada

Post Number: 269
Registered: Aug-06
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Yikes!
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Platinum Member
Username: Nuck

Post Number: 10417
Registered: Dec-04
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square enough for the late Bo Diddly.
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Gold Member
Username: John_s

Columbus, Ohio
US

Post Number: 2307
Registered: Feb-04
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In fact it's a gas.
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Gold Member
Username: Nickelbut10

Post Number: 1624
Registered: Jun-07
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I cant say that the month of June, 2008 won't be a month to remember. Moved into my first home, got married, went to Puna Cana. Just got back, and I look pretty dark, actually more red.lol. Pics of the new place to come soon, as I am moving the Bryston/Rega/MA setup upstairs with the new Sony LCD and getting something to complete the downstairs. This will be done hopefully this week. Also have to run Cat5 and RG6 wire for the camera's. Its going to be fun.

HOLA!!!
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Gold Member
Username: Dmitchell

Ottawa, Ontario
Canada

Post Number: 1087
Registered: Feb-07
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Good to have you back, Nick!
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Gold Member
Username: Nickelbut10

Post Number: 1626
Registered: Jun-07
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Thanks Daivd, its good to be back. I started to get the itch for the internet while in Punta Cana.lol.
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Gold Member
Username: Dmitchell

Ottawa, Ontario
Canada

Post Number: 1090
Registered: Feb-07
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Here's some shots of the new Totems.UploadUpload
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Gold Member
Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon
USA

Post Number: 7133
Registered: Feb-05
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Looks like the poor little babies are hiding out...very nice!
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Gold Member
Username: Dmitchell

Ottawa, Ontario
Canada

Post Number: 1092
Registered: Feb-07
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They're hiding from my kids.

Unfortunately my daughter has already noticed them.
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Gold Member
Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon
USA

Post Number: 7135
Registered: Feb-05
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Ah yes kids....
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Gold Member
Username: Nickelbut10

Post Number: 1635
Registered: Jun-07
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Very nice David. Very nice indeed.
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Silver Member
Username: Scorpio1

PA
USA

Post Number: 131
Registered: Nov-07
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David are you running a sub? I only ask becasue I'm contemplating a speaker change.

My speakers are out 3' to 4' from back and sidewalls. Curious about the bass reproduction close to the walls.
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Platinum Member
Username: Nuck

Post Number: 10428
Registered: Dec-04
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I cannot fsult my buddy Dave for working with the avaulabble space.

Dude those will be a different animal with some space around them.
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Gold Member
Username: Dmitchell

Ottawa, Ontario
Canada

Post Number: 1096
Registered: Feb-07
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Hey Ed, yup, I'm running two subs (two cheap assed subs which really have no business being part of my system), but I like the rumbling bass for movies.

Eventually I'll upgrade to Outlaw or Hsu subs. Something that can keep up with the music.

Nuck is right - I really don't have a lot of space to experiment with placement. The setup will have to do for now.
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Gold Member
Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon
USA

Post Number: 7159
Registered: Feb-05
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You don't run the subs when you listen in 2 channel do you...?
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Gold Member
Username: Dmitchell

Ottawa, Ontario
Canada

Post Number: 1097
Registered: Feb-07
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I do (I know, I know...).

But I have the crossover set way low and have them turned down.
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Platinum Member
Username: Nuck

Post Number: 10439
Registered: Dec-04
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Dave, you have nicer speakers than me, so never have to feel like you have to justify your setup, it's all about Bowie anyhow.
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Gold Member
Username: My_rantz


Australia

Post Number: 1957
Registered: Nov-05
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Nick, congrats to you and Mrs Nick and the new house (and new life!).

Dave, nice set-up. I too have placement constraints and just have to make the best of it.

And it ain't too bad.


it's all about Bowie anyhow
Space Oddity - good one Nuck!
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Gold Member
Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon
USA

Post Number: 7164
Registered: Feb-05
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Not that subs are bad David...just bad subs are bad...and bad subs and Totems are badder...lol!
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Gold Member
Username: Dmitchell

Ottawa, Ontario
Canada

Post Number: 1098
Registered: Feb-07
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I think the subs are the weak link in my system now.

Please don't ask me what they are.
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Gold Member
Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon
USA

Post Number: 7168
Registered: Feb-05
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Alright David give it up?!?!
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Gold Member
Username: Dmitchell

Ottawa, Ontario
Canada

Post Number: 1104
Registered: Feb-07
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Ha!

You ready for this?

Polk.
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Platinum Member
Username: Nuck

Post Number: 10445
Registered: Dec-04
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Yikes!
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Gold Member
Username: Dmitchell

Ottawa, Ontario
Canada

Post Number: 1107
Registered: Feb-07
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I know, eh?

Blasphemy.
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Gold Member
Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon
USA

Post Number: 7170
Registered: Feb-05
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Could be worse...I thought you were gonna say Sony or Bose...
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Gold Member
Username: Dmitchell

Ottawa, Ontario
Canada

Post Number: 1108
Registered: Feb-07
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Yeah, lol. That would definitely be worse.

As soon as I can convince my wife beyond a reasonable doubt that we do in fact need new subs I'll be ordering something better.
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Silver Member
Username: Scorpio1

PA
USA

Post Number: 134
Registered: Nov-07
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But how do they work?

I was almost tempted at a Best Buy a few months ago to pick up a Polk sub for not much $100.

I want to try something different but without the big cash outlay.
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Gold Member
Username: Dmitchell

Ottawa, Ontario
Canada

Post Number: 1110
Registered: Feb-07
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They're actually not all that bad. I think they're the PSW-10 (10" driver, 100 watt plate). Pretty good rumble for watching movies, but for music I find them a little slow and sloppy.

I'm really considering picking up a pair of Outlaw subs. I'm sure even their smallest one will blow away the Polks.
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Silver Member
Username: Scorpio1

PA
USA

Post Number: 136
Registered: Nov-07
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Maybe, I'll just save up and find that used Velodyne I've been researching.
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Gold Member
Username: Dmitchell

Ottawa, Ontario
Canada

Post Number: 1111
Registered: Feb-07
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Velodyne is a good choice too.
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Silver Member
Username: Kevincorr

Fairbanks, Alaska
Usa

Post Number: 529
Registered: Jul-07
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I paid $700 for a nice Velodyne on AudiogoN but got robbed. The guy lives in California and I will pay him a surprise visit some day He better just go into witness protection now!

I am intrigued with a new model REL now.
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Silver Member
Username: Scorpio1

PA
USA

Post Number: 137
Registered: Nov-07
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I've had several conversations with the tech at Velodyne about JM lab speakers and brands or subs.

Great & knowledgeable guy. Bottom line, he recommended a few brands that would work in my case and never giving me the Velodyne is the "best sub to buy" kind of attitude.

From what I've found sor far for performance and price Velodyne is at the top of my list.
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Platinum Member
Username: Nuck

Post Number: 10447
Registered: Dec-04
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My velodyne sub might be out the door soon....
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Gold Member
Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon
USA

Post Number: 7172
Registered: Feb-05
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I have a REL R205. Good music sub not so good for special effects in movies. Since I don't use a sub in my 2 channel systems it's almost being wasted in the HT...oh well...I'l find an application for it someday.
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Platinum Member
Username: Nuck

Post Number: 10449
Registered: Dec-04
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If I am subjected to another valuable post that is interrupted by the ad banner, I am going to scream.

Admin, FIX THIS!
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Gold Member
Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon
USA

Post Number: 7176
Registered: Feb-05
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Yeah I HATE THE BANNER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Silver Member
Username: Pcstockton

Post Number: 111
Registered: Apr-08
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Here are new pictures of my 2 channel and 5.1 set-ups.

It is the best I can do given my room.

Damn fireplace.
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Gold Member
Username: Dmitchell

Ottawa, Ontario
Canada

Post Number: 1129
Registered: Feb-07
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Nice, clean setup Patrick. Nice...

Those damn fireplaces, huh?
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Gold Member
Username: Dmitchell

Ottawa, Ontario
Canada

Post Number: 1130
Registered: Feb-07
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Which Velodyne are you looking at Ed?
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Silver Member
Username: Scorpio1

PA
USA

Post Number: 142
Registered: Nov-07
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Very nice Patrick. Did you ever resolve that issue with the DAC?

Thinking of trying a Beresford in my setup.
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Platinum Member
Username: Nuck

Post Number: 10468
Registered: Dec-04
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Great, Pat. Very clean and very nice!

Yes, which Velo, Ed? I have had 2, currently the dps12.
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Gold Member
Username: Dmitchell

Ottawa, Ontario
Canada

Post Number: 1132
Registered: Feb-07
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What do you think of the Velo, Nuck?
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Platinum Member
Username: Nuck

Post Number: 10470
Registered: Dec-04
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At this point, Dave, I don't know what to think.
Remember, I am running speaker level, straight from the stereo amp.
I don't get the response that I want, tuning the freqlower just removes spl, so I run it higher in volume, making it somewhat directional.
Just a clusterfuck, pretty much, and it doesn't sound fast enough to me, but that is variable.
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Username: Scorpio1

PA
USA

Post Number: 144
Registered: Nov-07
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I'm looking at the Minivee 10 or the SPL-1200R.

I've been perusing Agon trying to find the right one so to speak. My stimulus money will be here soon and I'm making plans. Either more camera gear or stereo gear or paln ole savings.
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Username: Dmitchell

Ottawa, Ontario
Canada

Post Number: 1133
Registered: Feb-07
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That's what drives me nuts - the directional bass. I don't mind if it's dual directional (coming from left and right, near the speakers). But hearing the boom from one corner drives me to distraction.
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Username: Scorpio1

PA
USA

Post Number: 145
Registered: Nov-07
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What would be recommended for JM labs that will be musically fast enough?

And cheap.
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Platinum Member
Username: Nuck

Post Number: 10471
Registered: Dec-04
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REL

The money is your part, pal.
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Gold Member
Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon
USA

Post Number: 7211
Registered: Feb-05
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Awesome pics Patrick. BEAUTIFUL place you have and a killer system. Sophisticated and lean...I love it
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Gold Member
Username: My_rantz


Australia

Post Number: 1960
Registered: Nov-05
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Cool Patrick!
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Silver Member
Username: Pcstockton

Post Number: 113
Registered: Apr-08
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thanks everyone!!!

Ed,

The Beresford is working well enough. I realize it is not the best source possible, and i cannot wait to improve things there.

But for under $200 it is the best option out there.

And it sounds good enough that I have not tried to replace it yet.


The grounding issue is another thing. Stan thinks I might need a regulated linear power supply to improve the earthing issue.

As far as I can tell it is really not that big of an issue. I only experience the "noise" issue when the DAC is off or not being fed a signal. In those cases the preamp is muted anyway. All is well.
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Username: Scorpio1

PA
USA

Post Number: 149
Registered: Nov-07
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Good to hear Patrick. It looks like I may have to add one of these in a couple of weeks.

Why is it, when everything is souding good, one trys to improve instead of being staisfied?

In may case, the DAC will let me use my computer for more music. But I'm tempted to try other speakers or add subwoofer.

Am I crazy?
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Gold Member
Username: Dmitchell

Ottawa, Ontario
Canada

Post Number: 1153
Registered: Feb-07
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No more than I am, Ed.
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Silver Member
Username: Pcstockton

Post Number: 115
Registered: Apr-08
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Ed,

Crazy like a fox!!
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Silver Member
Username: Pcstockton

Post Number: 116
Registered: Apr-08
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Thanks Art,
I am fairly pleased with the kit's aesthetics.

You know you are somewhat responsible for me having the Arivas... and you know I like they way they sound. Well I must admit the are quite easy on the eye. I just took some really nice pictures of my kit, well my friend did. His camera and lens are top notch. Ill post some more when I get a chance to crop them.

The cherry looks so nice on the speakers...

You should come give them a listen the next time you come over the mountains.

beers on me!
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Gold Member
Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon
USA

Post Number: 7239
Registered: Feb-05
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Right on Patrick!
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Silver Member
Username: Scorpio1

PA
USA

Post Number: 151
Registered: Nov-07
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Patrick,

Which cable are you using to connect your computer to the DAC?

I may be grabbing one of these much sooner than I think. Stimulus cash is finally on the way. Woohoo....
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Silver Member
Username: Pcstockton

Post Number: 118
Registered: Apr-08
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Art,

Get your aass over here. We can go demo Empirical Audio DACs at Black Butte.... are you a golfer?


Ed,

Computer to DAC? I have two options. One is USB to M-Audio Transit (24/96 convertor) to Toslink to DAC.

The other is going straight from my Turtle Beach Riviera (Toslink) soundcard to my DAC.

From the DAC to my Naim preamp is a Chord Crimson RCA-to-DIN.


The reason I have two methods is because the soundcard only supports 24/44.1 or 48.

So i sourced the M-Audio Transit which is supposed to pass thru bit perfect 24/96. Unfortunately I cannot get the thin to stop crackling and popping. So i stopped using it.

I could never properly dial in the latency/buffer settings I suppose. It seemed to happen with both ASIO output and not.

Hence my search for a "better" DAC that runs straight off the USB. Ideally then converts to I2S, and then into modded DAC.
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Gold Member
Username: Nickelbut10

Post Number: 1645
Registered: Jun-07
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Beautiful room and beautiful system Patrick. Bravo.
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Gold Member
Username: Nickelbut10

Post Number: 1646
Registered: Jun-07
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Well the theater downstairs is almost put back together, just waiting on my new AVR coming to me this weekend. In the meantime I snapped a few shots of the two channel system upstairs. My highlight room is hands down the recroom with the theater. But I definitely like the audio system upstairs better.lol Work in progress. Some pics with Flash some with out.





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Gold Member
Username: Nickelbut10

Post Number: 1647
Registered: Jun-07
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a couple more.... OH! and the new Paradigms I completed the theater with last weekend. Did an A/B comparison with some Diana Krall and a few others against the MA's.


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Username: Scorpio1

PA
USA

Post Number: 158
Registered: Nov-07
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Lovely Nick K. Just lovely. Wonderful setup you got there.
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Gold Member
Username: Dmitchell

Ottawa, Ontario
Canada

Post Number: 1161
Registered: Feb-07
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That's awesome Nick. Congrats.

Whens the housewarming party?
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Gold Member
Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon
USA

Post Number: 7254
Registered: Feb-05
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Very, Very Nice Nick!
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Gold Member
Username: Nickelbut10

Post Number: 1648
Registered: Jun-07
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Thanks everyone.

Anytime Dave, anytime man. Beers, Poker, Music and Rock Band.LOL!!

The rec room is where its at. Just finished by the previous owners a year ago, and it is by far the nicest room in the house. The room acoustics down there though just weren't cutting it for the two channel stuff, and this room I have it in now sounds wonderful. I just bought a new AVR and speakers and will have the theater system full again this weekend and will post pics probably Sunday. Cheers guys.
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Username: Dmitchell

Ottawa, Ontario
Canada

Post Number: 1162
Registered: Feb-07
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Looking forward to seeing the rec room.
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Platinum Member
Username: Nuck

Post Number: 10509
Registered: Dec-04
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Super Nick!
I wish you both well.
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Gold Member
Username: Nickelbut10

Post Number: 1649
Registered: Jun-07
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Thanks Nuck. Tonight is the first night in over a month I get to relax and enjoy some music. Maybe play with my new puppie, and perhaps smoke a big fat Cigar.lol I dont smoke but got a few cases from the Dominican. Novelty thing..u know how it is.
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Gold Member
Username: Petergalbraith


Canada

Post Number: 2184
Registered: Feb-04
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Budweiser... Yummy.

And they say advertising doesn't work!
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Gold Member
Username: Mike3

Wylie, Tx
USA

Post Number: 1357
Registered: May-06
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Nick, How is it sitting on those small boulders on your coffee table when finding the sweet spot for the MAs?

Very nice room BTW.

FWIW, although I respect the view you get from the sofa, you should try swapping the location of the chair to where the sofa is and moving the sofa to where the chair is, albeit centered to the speakers. Perhaps when the Misses is otherwise engaged and not available to reckon with your madness. It is still honeymoon ya' know.
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Username: Stu_pitt

Irvington, New York
USA

Post Number: 2883
Registered: May-05
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Very nice setup Nick. Glad to hear everything's going according to plan. Now get ready for the 'When are you going to have kids?' routine. I've been married for 2 years now and I'm so tired of hearing it. Thanks to Frank Abela (who unintentionally gave me the line), my line is 'We're practicing, but I've been wearing a cup.' The facial expressions vary, but they always end up walking away shaking their heads.

Also, Mike has a great point with the couch and chair placement. Like so many things in life, the sweet spot is where the magic happens.
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Gold Member
Username: Stu_pitt

Irvington, New York
USA

Post Number: 2884
Registered: May-05
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Patrick,

I though I responded to your pics, but appearently I didn't...

Awsome system, room, and pics. Very few systems can make music like yours does, regardless of price.
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Gold Member
Username: Nickelbut10

Post Number: 1652
Registered: Jun-07
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Mike and Stu- thanks for the compliments and info. I hear ya loud and clear though. If you could write that up in some form of letter and perhaps mail it to my wife, that would be great.lol. Not happening though...unfortunately..the room stays put for a while as the WAF factor takes hold very quickly. She is happy with how it is.lol. I actually have two small eat in chairs at the eating Island in the kitchen. On my lunch hours or alone time I bring one of them out and sit it in the sweet spot. Or I just stand during the short periods I listen to it in the morning. It still sounds good no matter where I sit, but you right...sounds real nice in the sweet spot. Ive been hitting a lot of sweet spot lately.hahaaaa that was a honeymoon joke. Im on the ball. Stu- we just got a baby pug...hopefully that keeps her mind off the kids idea for at least a few more months.lol. Back to the sweet spot, when I first moved in I had that system downstairs and had a sweet spot seat, but the room accoustics for music downstairs was too bright for me. The room was too hard like I had predicted. The first impression was good but like Art's Epo's experience, it just got really hard on the ears.

Also, good to see you guys both back Stu and Mike. Don't think you ever left, but good to see the posts. Cheers.
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Username: Nickelbut10

Post Number: 1653
Registered: Jun-07
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Looking back at the pics, the room looks much better in person. Thats what you get for shrinking the pictures down by 85 percent.
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Username: Stu_pitt

Irvington, New York
USA

Post Number: 2889
Registered: May-05
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This faquing ad banner is killing me. I can't read half the posts.
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Username: Pcstockton

Post Number: 127
Registered: Apr-08
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I am not sure what browser you guys are using. Or if you have any kind of ad-ware, blocking software...

Maybe you all use Macs???

All i know is i have NEVER once seen a banner on this site.
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Username: Nickelbut10

Post Number: 1657
Registered: Jun-07
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That makes two of us Patrick. Never had any problems with that myself.
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Username: Nuck

Post Number: 10519
Registered: Dec-04
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This one does, guys, from my seat.
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Username: Stu_pitt

Irvington, New York
USA

Post Number: 2895
Registered: May-05
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My work computer blocks all the ads, yet a blank banner is still there. The side banner is where its supposed to be, but there's a bunch of text underneath it.

My home computer is supposed to block ads, but doesn't.

Both are PCs running Windows XP and use Internet Explorer.
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Username: Dmitchell

Ottawa, Ontario
Canada

Post Number: 1165
Registered: Feb-07
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There's your problem, Stu.

Don't use IE - it's the devil.

I use Firefox, and while the banners are still there (I could block them if I wasn't so damned lazy), they at least appear where they are supposed to.
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Username: Mike3

Wylie, Tx
USA

Post Number: 1360
Registered: May-06
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My experience mimic's David's and I too use Firefox. There is a banner that flares out at the top of the list of posts but it goes away almost immediately. Now if I can only get rid of those green underlined words...
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Username: Nuck

Post Number: 10522
Registered: Dec-04
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No underlined words here, just a banner consuming the right hand side of the page, inte................................. rrupting the text and conte nt
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Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon
USA

Post Number: 7272
Registered: Feb-05
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Ok I'm just back from Firefox and it is better in some ways the banner being one. I'll use it once in a while...I hate their bookmarks and a number of other things so I certainly won't use it often...but to read you guys posts it's certainly worth it to me.
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Username: Dmitchell

Ottawa, Ontario
Canada

Post Number: 1166
Registered: Feb-07
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Ditch the IE Nuck.

Renounce the Darkside.
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Username: Nuck

Post Number: 10524
Registered: Dec-04
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I sprinkled the pc with Holly water.
Not holy, but some I got from a girl named Holly

It all went dark now.
Is this good?
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Username: Dmitchell

Ottawa, Ontario
Canada

Post Number: 1167
Registered: Feb-07
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It really depends on Holly...
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