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Thread: Lexicon RV-5 is a rebaged HK receiver! |
    
Bronze Member Username: Asahikasei
Post Number: 11
Registered: Jan-08
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| Posted on Friday, February 01, 2008 - 11:05 pm: |
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[url]http://www.av199.com/thread-166532-1-1.html[/url]
[IMG]http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w44/Tawnos_mac/RV-5.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w44/Tawnos_mac/img200711142200471.gif[/IMG]
[url]http://www.areadvd.de/hardware/2007/harman_kardon_avr745.shtml[/url]
[IMG]http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w44/Tawnos_mac/hk_avr745_inside.jpg[/IMG]
As you can see it is a direct rebadge with a different power supply unit. I thought this needed its own thread since it took me a long time to find that picture. |
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Silver Member Username: Stryvn
Post Number: 658
Registered: Dec-06
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| Posted on Friday, February 01, 2008 - 11:24 pm: |
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http://forum.ecoustics.com/cgi-bin/bbs/show.pl?tpc=1&post=1421454#POST1421454
As you can see, Bob is an idiot. It didn't take too long to find that out. |
Gold Member Username: Artk
Albany,
Oregon
USA
Post Number: 6147
Registered: Feb-05
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| Posted on Friday, February 01, 2008 - 11:26 pm: |
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Good grief Bob! |
Platinum Member Username: Jan_b_vigne
Dallas,
TX
Post Number: 12211
Registered: May-04
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| Posted on Saturday, February 02, 2008 - 12:20 am: |
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BS - This deserves to go in the shitcan. |
Gold Member Username: Exerciseguy
Brooklyn,
NY
United States
Post Number: 1809
Registered: Oct-04
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| Posted on Saturday, February 02, 2008 - 09:38 am: |
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Bob, do you own either of these? |
Platinum Member Username: Jan_b_vigne
Dallas,
TX
Post Number: 12212
Registered: May-04
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| Posted on Saturday, February 02, 2008 - 10:11 am: |
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Probably not but he does beleive that fuzzy, out of focus picture of someone who looks like a woman passing someone who is probably male in what appears to be a grocery store is absolute proof his wife is having an affair. |
Silver Member Username: Shawnharman
Post Number: 157
Registered: Dec-05
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| Posted on Saturday, February 02, 2008 - 03:44 pm: |
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whatchu talkin bout bob?? |
Bronze Member Username: Asahikasei
Post Number: 13
Registered: Jan-08
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| Posted on Sunday, February 03, 2008 - 12:31 pm: |
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You people kill me, these units are the same and the only difference is the power supply. keep lying to yourself. |
Bronze Member Username: Asahikasei
Post Number: 14
Registered: Jan-08
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| Posted on Sunday, February 03, 2008 - 12:32 pm: |
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Oh and they are not fuzzy, you should check your video card/browser settings. |
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Silver Member Username: Shawnharman
Post Number: 159
Registered: Dec-05
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| Posted on Sunday, February 03, 2008 - 02:12 pm: |
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bob, you dont believe that the power supply matters? the weight is the first thing I check on a unit when I go to test it out. |
Gold Member Username: Stu_pitt
Irvington,
New York
USA
Post Number: 2440
Registered: May-05
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| Posted on Monday, February 04, 2008 - 06:53 am: |
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"You people kill me, these units are the same and the only difference is the power supply. keep lying to yourself."
What reason do we have to lie to ourselves? We didn't buy either receiver.
One of three things happened -
1 You bought the Lexicon and feel ripped off.
2 You bought the H/K and want to brag that you're a very well informed shopper and didn't pay extra for worthless features like a better power supply.
3 You have no life and need to argue with people for attention.
I'm guessing its a combination of 2 and 3, and a little bit of mental slowness thrown in. |
Bronze Member Username: Asahikasei
Post Number: 16
Registered: Jan-08
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| Posted on Tuesday, February 05, 2008 - 04:15 pm: |
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[quote]bob, you dont believe that the power supply matters? the weight is the first thing I check on a unit when I go to test it out.[/quote]
And the HK weights more so what is your point?
[quote]Stu Pitt[/quote]
I see that you can not argue in defence of the lexicon and other high end peices I have shown so you stoop to a child like level. |
Gold Member Username: Nuck
Post Number: 9755
Registered: Dec-04
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| Posted on Tuesday, February 05, 2008 - 06:09 pm: |
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Hey wait a minute. That grainy shot of a woman is my EX!
Damn! |
Platinum Member Username: Jan_b_vigne
Dallas,
TX
Post Number: 12242
Registered: May-04
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| Posted on Tuesday, February 05, 2008 - 09:56 pm: |
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And the sad part is the fuzzball guy is BS.
Get'im, Nuck!
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Gold Member Username: Nickelbut10
Post Number: 1125
Registered: Jun-07
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| Posted on Wednesday, February 06, 2008 - 09:52 am: |
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Bronze Member Username: Asahikasei
Post Number: 18
Registered: Jan-08
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| Posted on Thursday, February 07, 2008 - 04:58 pm: |
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So once again you could not prove me wrong. |
Platinum Member Username: Jan_b_vigne
Dallas,
TX
Post Number: 12248
Registered: May-04
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| Posted on Thursday, February 07, 2008 - 05:57 pm: |
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No, BS, you can't prove you're right. You're the one who brought this up, it's up to you to prove your point and just saying it's so ain't gonna do it when we have shown you obvious differences between the two components.
You are just a troll aren't you? |
Gold Member Username: Touche6784
USA
Post Number: 1223
Registered: Nov-04
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| Posted on Thursday, February 07, 2008 - 09:31 pm: |
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Ok bob lets settle this. You look at those two pics and there three clear differences between them besides the power supplies. You look at the board on the bottom right of each picture and you will notice that the positioning for the two big black squares, what I assume are transistors of some sort or maybe processors but I could be wrong, are completely different. The HK has the left most block much closer to the edge and is slightly higher closer to the top edge. This cannot be accounted for by camera angle or any other mumbo jumbo since the chassis of both units look about the same and in the HK, it has moved about an inch. Also, the HK has two sets of wires running from the top down straight to the aforementioned black thing, a ribbon connection and another set of wires in the corner of that edge whereas the Lexicon has only wires spread across the edge which they are connected to. You will also notice in the pictures that the Lexicon has the ribbon in the top left of the unit running almost perpendicular to the board it connects to, whereas the HK has the ribbon going downwards and to the left. All that I have just described can lead to only one conclusion; a difference in the topology of the boards being used in the units. This can only mean that Lexicon and HK are not the same things, and in your example of the RV-5 and the HK-745, they are completely different. There is no reason for someone or some company to redesign a board to make it function exactly the same, especially if you are trying to make the enormous undeserving profits that you so claim. Companies that share the same mother company do not use different looking, differently structured yet identically functioning parts. It is something that just does not happen. Now that you have been shown up please go away and stop trolling here. |
Bronze Member Username: Asahikasei
Post Number: 21
Registered: Jan-08
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| Posted on Saturday, February 09, 2008 - 03:21 pm: |
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[quote]Ok bob lets settle this. You look at those two pics and there three clear differences between them besides the power supplies. You look at the board on the bottom right of each picture and you will notice that the positioning for the two big black squares, what I assume are transistors of some sort or maybe processors but I could be wrong, are completely different. The HK has the left most block much closer to the edge and is slightly higher closer to the top edge. This cannot be accounted for by camera angle or any other mumbo jumbo since the chassis of both units look about the same and in the HK, it has moved about an inch. Also, the HK has two sets of wires running from the top down straight to the aforementioned black thing, a ribbon connection and another set of wires in the corner of that edge whereas the Lexicon has only wires spread across the edge which they are connected to. You will also notice in the pictures that the Lexicon has the ribbon in the top left of the unit running almost perpendicular to the board it connects to, whereas the HK has the ribbon going downwards and to the left. All that I have just described can lead to only one conclusion; a difference in the topology of the boards being used in the units. This can only mean that Lexicon and HK are not the same things, and in your example of the RV-5 and the HK-745, they are completely different. There is no reason for someone or some company to redesign a board to make it function exactly the same, especially if you are trying to make the enormous undeserving profits that you so claim. Companies that share the same mother company do not use different looking, differently structured yet identically functioning parts. It is something that just does not happen. Now that you have been shown up please go away and stop trolling here.[/quote]
Simple lets have a look.
http://www.lexicon.com/image_library/RV5_rear_lo.jpg
http://www.harmankardon.com/back.aspx?prod=AVR%20745&cat=REC&sType=C&Region=USA& Country=US&Language=ENG&ImgName=AVR745B.jpg
First off those "black" things are not processors or chips they look like simple pads to prevent the top cover from touching the boards. In the rear pictures that I posted you can see why there are small "re arranged" differences in that section. The RS-232, triggers, and video multi out are moved to another location on the lexicon. |
Bronze Member Username: Asahikasei
Post Number: 22
Registered: Jan-08
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| Posted on Saturday, February 09, 2008 - 03:23 pm: |
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Its kind of funny how you would point that out yet the analog/processing board is exactly the same as the HK. |
Gold Member Username: Stu_pitt
Irvington,
New York
USA
Post Number: 2469
Registered: May-05
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| Posted on Saturday, February 09, 2008 - 11:35 pm: |
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You're absolutely right Bob. Its the SAME EXACT UNIT!!!
Its been a conspiracy on our part the whole time. We were just testing you, and you passed with flying colors. Now can we move on? |
Gold Member Username: Nuck
Post Number: 9767
Registered: Dec-04
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| Posted on Sunday, February 10, 2008 - 10:37 am: |
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It's like deja vue all over again. |
Bronze Member Username: Asahikasei
Post Number: 23
Registered: Jan-08
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| Posted on Sunday, February 10, 2008 - 05:48 pm: |
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[quote]It's like deja vue all over again.[/quote]
No its just that both threads were mixed up. |
Platinum Member Username: Jan_b_vigne
Dallas,
TX
Post Number: 12258
Registered: May-04
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| Posted on Sunday, February 10, 2008 - 10:02 pm: |
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No, it's that you started a second thread for no good reason.
BS, no one here agrees with you. If you insist these products are the same, please, go peddle this idea somewhere else. |
Gold Member Username: My_rantz
Australia
Post Number: 1828
Registered: Nov-05
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| Posted on Sunday, February 10, 2008 - 10:30 pm: |
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Bob, you're the same as Jan. Okay, your facade may be a little different, but the inner design is similar and though Jan sure has the more stable power supply, you are the same person. Different people made you both obviously but all under the same holding company so you are exactly the same person as Jan. Aren't you Bob? |
Gold Member Username: Nuck
Post Number: 9772
Registered: Dec-04
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| Posted on Monday, February 11, 2008 - 12:30 am: |
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OK there's an analogy that I never considered. |
Platinum Member Username: Jan_b_vigne
Dallas,
TX
Post Number: 12260
Registered: May-04
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| Posted on Monday, February 11, 2008 - 05:23 pm: |
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There's an analogy I resent. |
Platinum Member Username: Jan_b_vigne
Dallas,
TX
Post Number: 12261
Registered: May-04
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| Posted on Monday, February 11, 2008 - 05:25 pm: |
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BS reminds me of wiley. They might be the same person if wiley was taking his meds. |
Gold Member Username: My_rantz
Australia
Post Number: 1830
Registered: Nov-05
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| Posted on Monday, February 11, 2008 - 06:35 pm: |
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There's an analogy I resent.
I figured he might too - enough to see the error of his ways. We live in hope. |
Gold Member Username: Frank_abela
Berkshire
UK
Post Number: 2712
Registered: Sep-04
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| Posted on Tuesday, February 12, 2008 - 10:00 am: |
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I just wonder what Bob's motivation is with this. I realise he's saying we're all being ripped off by highly priced kit but when we point out the differences he comes up with another example and go through the motions again.
So what's the deal here Bob? |
Bronze Member Username: Asahikasei
Post Number: 24
Registered: Jan-08
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| Posted on Tuesday, February 12, 2008 - 09:53 pm: |
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[quote]No, it's that you started a second thread for no good reason.[/quote]
No, this thread is different and deals with the RV-5.
[quote]I just wonder what Bob's motivation is with this. I realise he's saying we're all being ripped off by highly priced kit but when we point out the differences he comes up with another example and go through the motions again.
So what's the deal here Bob?[/quote]
I showed you the "different" position of certain aspects by the pictures of the back pannels but the processing/analog section of the units is exact. |
Gold Member Username: Exerciseguy
Brooklyn,
NY
United States
Post Number: 1813
Registered: Oct-04
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| Posted on Tuesday, February 12, 2008 - 10:11 pm: |
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You know, George Clooney & I both have two eyes & a nose in approximately the same place...makes you think aye? We might be twins separated at birth? |
Gold Member Username: Nuck
Post Number: 9783
Registered: Dec-04
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| Posted on Wednesday, February 13, 2008 - 10:16 am: |
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I always thought that there was a resemblence, CM.
But you weigh more. |
Platinum Member Username: Jan_b_vigne
Dallas,
TX
Post Number: 12267
Registered: May-04
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| Posted on Wednesday, February 13, 2008 - 12:58 pm: |
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DO
NOT
FEED
THE
TROLLS!
Under
threat
of this
thread
continuing.
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Gold Member Username: Exerciseguy
Brooklyn,
NY
United States
Post Number: 1814
Registered: Oct-04
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| Posted on Wednesday, February 13, 2008 - 12:59 pm: |
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I have big bones. |
Bronze Member Username: Asahikasei
Post Number: 25
Registered: Jan-08
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| Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2008 - 10:47 pm: |
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So you all agree that the analog pre amp and processing sections are the same? |
Platinum Member Username: Jan_b_vigne
Dallas,
TX
Post Number: 12273
Registered: May-04
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| Posted on Friday, February 15, 2008 - 01:07 am: |
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DO
NOT
FEED
THE
TROLL |
Gold Member Username: Touche6784
USA
Post Number: 1226
Registered: Nov-04
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| Posted on Friday, February 15, 2008 - 09:13 am: |
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Sorry Jan, that would be my fault. I gave the troll a double cheese burger when I should have left it to find food elsewhere. I don't think agreeing with the troll will solve our problem here. I think if we ignore him we will get rid of him. Think of him as Wiley with a cause. We could even try discussing about him and not to him. Maybe that will frustrate him enough to make him leave. |
Silver Member Username: Shawnharman
Post Number: 165
Registered: Dec-05
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| Posted on Friday, February 15, 2008 - 03:46 pm: |
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mmmmmmmmmmm double cheeseburger |
Bronze Member Username: Asahikasei
Post Number: 26
Registered: Jan-08
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| Posted on Friday, February 15, 2008 - 09:22 pm: |
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[quote]I don't think agreeing with the troll will solve our problem here.[/quote]
There is nothing to agree or disagree about since both units run the exact same analog pre amp section and processing boards. I have proven my side yet no one has come up with ANYTHING to state why the lexicon would sound better. |
Gold Member Username: Exerciseguy
Brooklyn,
NY
United States
Post Number: 1816
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| Posted on Friday, February 15, 2008 - 10:00 pm: |
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HERE'S SOMETHING YOU FCUKING GENIUS, THE TWO FCUKING POWER SUPPLIES ARE DIFFERENT FOR THE UMPTEENTH TIME!
...sorry Jan. |
Gold Member Username: Touche6784
USA
Post Number: 1227
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| Posted on Saturday, February 16, 2008 - 01:44 am: |
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Come on Chris M! Bob needs to find his food on his own. Should we give him another cheese burger? I know Shawn likes them. What do you say Bob? You want bacon on this one? How about some mushrooms? We should have a President's day BBQ with all the cheese burgers that Bob can eat. |
Gold Member Username: Stu_pitt
Irvington,
New York
USA
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| Posted on Saturday, February 16, 2008 - 09:13 am: |
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Chris M,
Power supplies are insignificant. They only supply power. I thought you were smarter than that.  |
Bronze Member Username: Asahikasei
Post Number: 27
Registered: Jan-08
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| Posted on Saturday, February 16, 2008 - 07:21 pm: |
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[quote]HERE'S SOMETHING YOU FCUKING GENIUS, THE TWO FCUKING POWER SUPPLIES ARE DIFFERENT FOR THE UMPTEENTH TIME![/quote]
And? Where is this going to make a difference? The power amps still have the same rating and THD spec. So please tell me where and how? |
Gold Member Username: Artk
Albany,
Oregon
USA
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| Posted on Saturday, February 16, 2008 - 07:24 pm: |
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Better yet figure it out on your own Bob and come back when you do.....we should be rid of forever now! |
Silver Member Username: Jaw
Post Number: 185
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| Posted on Saturday, February 16, 2008 - 07:40 pm: |
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i am in purgatory
thy name is this thread |
Gold Member Username: Artk
Albany,
Oregon
USA
Post Number: 6278
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| Posted on Saturday, February 16, 2008 - 08:02 pm: |
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Oh it's not that bad...kind of funny actually...that is unless you are actually taking Bob seriously which I'm not and I don't think he is either. |
Gold Member Username: Exerciseguy
Brooklyn,
NY
United States
Post Number: 1817
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| Posted on Saturday, February 16, 2008 - 08:58 pm: |
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...must feed troll...must feed troll...
From http://www.rocketroberts.com/techart/amp.htm
"Do two amplifiers with identical THD ratings sound the same, everything else being equal? Not necessarily (but differences will be subtle). The reason is that the THD specification states nothing about where the harmonics are in the frequency band. For example one amplifier could have a dominant harmonic at one frequency and a second amplifier could have a dominant harmonic at a very different frequency. Or, one amplifier could have a few "big" harmonics while a second has many weak ones. These situations could easily result in identical THD ratings."
Now can we please stop this nonsense and move on to something simple like stem cell research or the war in Iraq. |
Gold Member Username: Touche6784
USA
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| Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2008 - 12:56 am: |
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Hey Molloy, so whats your view on the war in Iraq since we can't settle the war at Harman International?
You don't have to answer that Molloy. I would rather tease Bob then get into a possible pissing contest in the forum about controversial and potentially blood boiling OT issues. |
Bronze Member Username: Asahikasei
Post Number: 28
Registered: Jan-08
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| Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2008 - 11:09 pm: |
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[quote]Better yet figure it out on your own Bob and come back when you do.....we should be rid of forever now![/quote]
A comment from someone who obviously understands nothing.
[quote]Now can we please stop this nonsense and move on to something simple like stem cell research or the war in Iraq.[/quote]
Ah that article you post offers nothing as for defence since both amps we are talking about are the same except for different power supplies.
"Power Supply: The primary purpose of a power supply in a power amplifier is to take the 120 VAC power from the outlet and convert it to a DC voltage (VAC is an abbreviation for Volts Alternating Current, and DC is an abbreviation for Direct Current). Conversion from AC to DC is necessary because the semiconductor devices (transistors, FETs, MOSFETs, etc.) used inside the equipment require this type of voltage. (By the way, FET stands for Field Effect Transistor, and MOSFET stands for Metal Oxide Semiconductor Field Effect Transistor). Many different types of power supplies are used in power amplifiers, but in the end they all basically aim to generate DC voltage for the transistor circuits of the unit."
So where is this "superior" DC voltage going to make a difference? |
Gold Member Username: Exerciseguy
Brooklyn,
NY
United States
Post Number: 1818
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| Posted on Sunday, February 17, 2008 - 11:19 pm: |
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"Ah that article you post offers nothing as for defence since both amps we are talking about are the same except for different power supplies."
Do you even realize what a foolish statement that is? |
Gold Member Username: Frank_abela
Berkshire
UK
Post Number: 2724
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| Posted on Monday, February 18, 2008 - 12:14 pm: |
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Oh dear Bob.
I note that you never answered my original question, the one that asked what your motivation is for this thread.
Now on the subject of the power supply, the sole purpose of a power supply is to supply the appropriate electr |
