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Author Thread: Cheap Tweak that makes speakers SOUND ALOT BETTER !
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Silver Member
Username: Hifisoundguy

Post Number: 182
Registered: Aug-06
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Go to Wal-Mart and get some Kwik Seal kitchen&bath adhesive caulk and some teflon tape.....now put the adhesive caulk on the exterior and interior of the speaker's basket of the speaker driver....next cover it all with teflon tape....I did the same for the interior cut-out hole for the speaker drivers too...now let it dry over night and then put the speaker drivers back in and ENJOY! This tweak lowered the distortion alot and made the speakers much more transparent and three-dimensional ! This is a must try tweak!!!
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Gold Member
Username: Nuck

Post Number: 9500
Registered: Dec-04
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Why was your kit displaying so much distortion, Randy? You might want to address that before applying toilet adhesives to an engineered product.
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Silver Member
Username: Dmitchell

Ottawa, Ontario
Canada

Post Number: 481
Registered: Feb-07
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Oh geez, here we go again.
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Silver Member
Username: Hifisoundguy

Post Number: 184
Registered: Aug-06
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I put some more adhersive caulk over the teflon tape and everything sounds better now...sound best with adhersive caulk only@ Did you know that Westlake Audio puts adhersive caulk on all their speaker driver's baskets! If anyone here trys this tweak they will thank me over and over again. I'm amazed how good this tweak is!
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Username: Hifisoundguy

Post Number: 185
Registered: Aug-06
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Someone on another forum posted about a New product called (AVM) Anti-Vibration Magic from http://www.accentusaudio.com used for dampening speaker drivers and other things....
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Username: Wingmanalive

A pic is worth
1000 posts!!

Post Number: 11996
Registered: Jun-06
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I'm confused. I don't see the white van anywhere on their website.
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Gold Member
Username: Gavdawg

Upstate, New York

Post Number: 1015
Registered: Nov-06
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Actually, I have read this one...

Steve over at decware recommends to DIYers to cover stamped steel baskets with a certain type of tape to control the distortion from the basket ringing.

http://www.decware.com/newsite/mainmenu.htm?/zenspkr.htm&intro


it is under "tweaking the drivers and cabinet"
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Gold Member
Username: Nuck

Post Number: 9507
Registered: Dec-04
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It's under buying stuff that doesn't friggin ring to start with, man.

Randy enjoyed a lowering of his drastic distortion.
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Gold Member
Username: Gavdawg

Upstate, New York

Post Number: 1018
Registered: Nov-06
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well...true.
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Gold Member
Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon
USA

Post Number: 5805
Registered: Feb-05
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If you can afford it....some folks don't have a bunch of money to drop on audio but want to listen to music.

Ringing in my drivers ain't something I'm too worried about...I'm more concerned that Randy will get my address...lol!
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Username: Hifisoundguy

Post Number: 186
Registered: Aug-06
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I took electrical tape and wraped it tightly around each steel strips of the basket two times and then wraped the electrical tape tighly with duck tape one time.....SOUNDS AMAZING!.........
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Gold Member
Username: Nuck

Post Number: 9541
Registered: Dec-04
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Is the distortion much lower now?
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Silver Member
Username: Nickelbut10

Post Number: 944
Registered: Jun-07
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LOL!! Im sure glad this helps Randy, because all of our hi fi systems come with so much distortion...distortion is the norm...we better fix it..quickly...Can I use double sided tape?
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Username: Gavdawg

Upstate, New York

Post Number: 1032
Registered: Nov-06
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I can't wait til Randy tells me to push the dustcaps in on my speakers because "everyone knows they sound better that way".

oh wait... I have tweeters where the dustcaps normally are. I wonder if this matters.
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Platinum Member
Username: Project6

Post Number: 14159
Registered: Dec-03
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I think we should tell Randy that pushing in the dustcaps of your drivers by using a dime minted in 1976 will greatly improve the frequency response. I doubt he knows about that tweak!

Amazing!!!!
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Username: Gavdawg

Upstate, New York

Post Number: 1038
Registered: Nov-06
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what about removing the dustcaps completely and replacing them with the "clever little clock"

think they'll replace my tweets as well?

:-P
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Platinum Member
Username: Project6

Post Number: 14167
Registered: Dec-03
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I'm sure the results will be "AMAZING"!
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Gold Member
Username: Nuck

Post Number: 9545
Registered: Dec-04
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Welcome back Berny.
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Platinum Member
Username: Project6

Post Number: 14169
Registered: Dec-03
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Thanks, Nuck!
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Bronze Member
Username: Audiobuff

Post Number: 63
Registered: Jan-07
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Great to see you guys are still hard at work bashing people....
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Bronze Member
Username: Audiobuff

Post Number: 64
Registered: Jan-07
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Cant edit...oddd

O well, i was just messing in the above post, i really cant see why it would be such a bad idea, i mean, if you dont have the funds for nicer audio this indeed could help a bit


Its nice to see you guys are still around!
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Platinum Member
Username: Project6

Post Number: 14172
Registered: Dec-03
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LOL1

I'm sure that some tweaks may work to a certain degree but not to the extent that Randy claims...e.g. "amazing, best ever, a must try, etc."

He was, after all, a firm believer in the "amazing little clocks" tweak.
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Bronze Member
Username: Audiobuff

Post Number: 66
Registered: Jan-07
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Uh, do tell?
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Silver Member
Username: Hifisoundguy

Post Number: 187
Registered: Aug-06
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IT WORKS AMAZINGLY GOOD....JUST TRY IT FOR YOURSELF AND FIND OUT FOR YOURSELF!....TALK IS CHEAP!! THIS TWEAK IS AMAZING!...THE REAL DEAL!
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Platinum Member
Username: Project6

Post Number: 14179
Registered: Dec-03
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Amazing indeed!Upload
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Gold Member
Username: Nuck

Post Number: 9549
Registered: Dec-04
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I somehow believe, call me crazy here, that the designer would have wrapped the basket before installing it if the stunt increased the quality and profit margin.
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Username: Hifisoundguy

Post Number: 193
Registered: Aug-06
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Crystal Clear contact enhancer $25 from www.thecablepro.com is amazing on the contacts of the speaker drivers and all crossover caps.....amazing on interconnects and speaker cables too. This product is for all NON-BELIEVERS in TWEAKS....you know those Clever Little Clocks and so on.......
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Silver Member
Username: Davidpa

Portland, Oregon
US

Post Number: 518
Registered: Nov-05
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C'mon Nuck, all it has to do is rain!
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Silver Member
Username: Hifisoundguy

Post Number: 197
Registered: Aug-06
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Here's another tweak I did to my DCM's...I put concrete on the front of the speaker drivers....mids and bass drivers. I took out the drivers and lightly coated each driver with concrete crack seal from home depot and let them dry for 24 hours. I'm not looking for any more speakers now!......................
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Silver Member
Username: Hifisoundguy

Post Number: 198
Registered: Aug-06
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You DO NOT put the concrete on the speaker drivers TOO THICK!! You ONLY put a VERY THIN COATING of CONCRETE on each midrange and bass drivers. The product is called Quikrete concrete crack seal from Home Depot
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Username: Uback007

Columbus , Ohio
USA

Post Number: 299
Registered: Mar-06
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ok, the "White Van" comment above is downright hilarious!
I do see some merit in what our audio brother is saying. Its all about resonance and cabinet vibrations- makes sense that this would calm an unruly speaker.
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Platinum Member
Username: Project6

Post Number: 14285
Registered: Dec-03
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"TOO THICK!! "....amazing!
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Gold Member
Username: Nuck

Post Number: 9568
Registered: Dec-04
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I, uhh...
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Gold Member
Username: Exerciseguy

Brooklyn, NY
United States

Post Number: 1716
Registered: Oct-04
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...ditto?
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Username: Hifisoundguy

Post Number: 200
Registered: Aug-06
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I found out that the stuff I put on my speaker cones IS NOT CONCRETE...its really a ACRYLIC POLYMER! http://www.quikrete.com/ProductLines/ConcreteCrackSeal.asp I really think the speaker cones is the WEAKEST LINK in a stereo system...and dampening the speaker cones with this stuff has been the best thing I have ever done in all the my years in this hobby!............
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Platinum Member
Username: Project6

Post Number: 14509
Registered: Dec-03
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"best thing I have ever done"...not by a long shot. I'm sure your nest tweak will be the next best thing ever....amazing!
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Username: Hifisoundguy

Post Number: 201
Registered: Aug-06
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No Berny..I'm done with "tweaking" now! You all don't know what your missing by NOT "DAMPENING your speaker cones"......This tweak gets you as close to LIVE MUSIC as I have ever heard period! Everything sounds soooo REAL...its very hard to stop listening to music now...it sounds that good. I know most of you don't like me here but I have come across something that has to be heard to be believed!
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Username: Project6

Post Number: 14518
Registered: Dec-03
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" I know most of you don't like me here"

...amazing!
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Gold Member
Username: Nuck

Post Number: 9662
Registered: Dec-04
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" I know most of you don't like me here"

Not true RW.
Somebody has to be in left field.
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Username: Hifisoundguy

Post Number: 202
Registered: Aug-06
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You mean "Right field"....I'm not CRAZY! You all are just upset because you don't have those clever little clocks in your stereo systems too.......
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Username: Project6

Post Number: 14524
Registered: Dec-03
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Of course you are not crazy...calling you such would be futile. That's like screaming at a person with no ears. But he'd probably be able to hear better with clever little clocks attached to hearing aids...

amazing!
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Gold Member
Username: Nuck

Post Number: 9673
Registered: Dec-04
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I dipped my clever little clocks in concrete.
It cleared up all that distortion.
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Username: Project6

Post Number: 14527
Registered: Dec-03
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make that ACRYLIC POLYMER...

Upload

AMAZING!
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Gold Member
Username: Nuck

Post Number: 9677
Registered: Dec-04
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Oh sorry Berny, I didn't even know what I was buying!
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Gold Member
Username: Exerciseguy

Brooklyn, NY
United States

Post Number: 1773
Registered: Oct-04
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Anyone see the movie WHAT ABOUT BOB?
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Gold Member
Username: Nuck

Post Number: 9681
Registered: Dec-04
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I saw the poorn, 'What about Booob?'
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Gold Member
Username: Exerciseguy

Brooklyn, NY
United States

Post Number: 1775
Registered: Oct-04
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Werre Bill Murray & Richard Dreyfuss in it?
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Gold Member
Username: Nuck

Post Number: 9686
Registered: Dec-04
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Not the one I saw, thankfully, LOL!
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Username: John_a

London
U.K.

Post Number: 4788
Registered: Dec-03
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Randy, you're sharing what you've discovered. Thanks.

You might want to address that before applying toilet adhesives to an engineered product.

Nuck, I was reminded of a great section in "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" where the proud owner of a new BMW motorcycle discovered that its handle bars rotated in their brackets. His friend fixed the problem by inserting aluminium shims into the brackets to keep the handlebars fixed in place. The shims were cut from the tops of beer cans. The owner was nevertheless horrified, and vowed never to ride the motorcycle again. The bits of beer can had completely solved the problem, but destroyed his dream and illusion of a perfect machine.
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Gold Member
Username: Nuck

Post Number: 9699
Registered: Dec-04
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I remember it well, John.

Again, if the dude bought a properly engineered and produced product, the can tops would not be necessary.
Adds a bit to the 'beer budget' mentality.
And yes, I get your point.
Thank you, JA.
Cheers.
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Username: Hifisoundguy

Post Number: 203
Registered: Aug-06
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I'm NOT JOKING about this stuff! I think I'm on to something VERY SPECIAL here. Who know what they all they put in this Quikrete crack seal but this stuff sounds sooo DAMN GOOOOD ON MY SPEAKER CONES AFTER you let it settle-in for about 3 weeks. Just wait until the word gets out about this stuff!.........................................
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Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon
USA

Post Number: 6044
Registered: Feb-05
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Randy...please go to the system pics thread and post pics of your system.

Let's find out if the pics come from your home, a magazine, a board room or a childs play room...

Please join us and post your system pics!
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Username: Exerciseguy

Brooklyn, NY
United States

Post Number: 1777
Registered: Oct-04
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I can't stand this anymore. Is there a way to unsubscribe from a thread?
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Gold Member
Username: Nuck

Post Number: 9706
Registered: Dec-04
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rubber room, romper room...
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Username: T_bomb25

Dayton, Ohio
United States

Post Number: 1619
Registered: Jun-05
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Username: Project6

Post Number: 14546
Registered: Dec-03
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"Who know what they all they put in this Quikrete crack seal"

He really needs to seal his own crack.
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Username: Hifisoundguy

Post Number: 204
Registered: Aug-06
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Very FUNNY GUYS When you put something on a speaker cone it lowers the resonance as well as to stifle break-up modes. I put this stuff on my car speaker cones too......
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Gold Member
Username: Exerciseguy

Brooklyn, NY
United States

Post Number: 1784
Registered: Oct-04
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Randy, have you ever considered a career as a speaker designer?
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Username: Luxendel

Gondelsheim, Baden-Württe...
Germany

Post Number: 42
Registered: Oct-07
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I now use real rattle-snakes as speaker-cable, because they rattle much better now...
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Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon
USA

Post Number: 6069
Registered: Feb-05
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Randy...have you considered my earlier request...

Let's see that system that just keeps getting better. I'm intrigued.
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Username: Hifisoundguy

Post Number: 205
Registered: Aug-06
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Art....I don't have any way to post pictures right now......
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Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon
USA

Post Number: 6070
Registered: Feb-05
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Don't have a digital camera and can't borrow one huh?

Fair enough. I just figured for your sake, to add some legitimacy to your statements and to perhaps humanize you...it would be nice to see your digs and your system. Perhaps something to think about....
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Username: Hifisoundguy

Post Number: 206
Registered: Aug-06
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No Art.. none of my friends have a digital camera. Here's more on coating speaker cones....... http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=100399
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Username: Exerciseguy

Brooklyn, NY
United States

Post Number: 1785
Registered: Oct-04
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Randy, Do you have a cell phone camera?
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Username: Hifisoundguy

Post Number: 207
Registered: Aug-06
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No... I do not have cell phone camera
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Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon
USA

Post Number: 6073
Registered: Feb-05
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Someone is not being honest...wonder who...
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Username: Exerciseguy

Brooklyn, NY
United States

Post Number: 1787
Registered: Oct-04
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http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/whine/messages/1/11974.html

http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?ymisc&1200154292&openflup&56&4

http://www.audiocircle.com/circles/index.php?PHPSESSID=2qi00id4p045ldip09biqufel 0&topic=49901.0

...you do get around Randy.
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Username: Van_man

Boston South, MA

Post Number: 3290
Registered: Mar-06
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Wow Randy, What a great tip.
Im not sure if this is the right type of cement, but it works fantastic. The diffrence is amazing. The driver sounded bright before, but now its more of a mono tone. Thanks for sharing.

Getting ready to mix up the cement.

Upload

Adding Water.

Upload

Mixed up and set aside to dry.

Upload

Testing the cured cement woofer.

Upload
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Username: Hifisoundguy

Post Number: 208
Registered: Aug-06
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I have a thread on this over on the Audiokarma speaker forum too!.......
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Username: Dmitchell

Ottawa, Ontario
Canada

Post Number: 591
Registered: Feb-07
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SIMPLY AMAZING!!!!!!!!

I see you're using mortar mix. Does it matter if I use portland cement? I still have some left in my shed from when I built my deck.
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Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon
USA

Post Number: 6074
Registered: Feb-05
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Don't remember seeing it at AK...probably ignored by most everyone.
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Username: Hifisoundguy

Post Number: 209
Registered: Aug-06
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Art....I just put the Coating Speaker Cones thread over on audiokarma today
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Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon
USA

Post Number: 6075
Registered: Feb-05
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Well Randy as you can clearly see I found you over at AK where they are not buying your crap either. Gave you a chance to show you are for real...you lied...gettin' close to time for you to relinquish you membership don't ya think.

Marc I love your demo...that should lower the cone resonance and cause cone/magnet equilibrium resulting in a more balanced sound don't you think!!!
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Username: Hifisoundguy

Post Number: 210
Registered: Aug-06
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No Marc....thats not the same stuff I used. What I used has no concrete in it... http://www.quikrete.com/ProductLines/ConcreteCrackSeal.asp
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Username: Wingmanalive

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Post Number: 12781
Registered: Jun-06
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Thank god for alcohol. I have so much fun here lol.Upload
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Username: Exerciseguy

Brooklyn, NY
United States

Post Number: 1788
Registered: Oct-04
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Am I the only one who feels bad for this guy?
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Username: Serniter

Piscataway, New Jersey
USA

Post Number: 203
Registered: Mar-06
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I used to feel bad, but he seems to be here on some unknown purpose...
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Username: Wattsssup

Barrie, ON
Canada

Post Number: 211
Registered: Aug-06
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Great, my name is being used here too.
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Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon
USA

Post Number: 6077
Registered: Feb-05
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"Am I the only one who feels bad for this guy?"

Yes!

I used to and that's why I gave him an opportunity to show he is not just a store front. As you can clearly see...he didn't avail himself of it. Not that it would have proved anything it just would have been a nice good faith move...oh well.
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Username: Project6

Post Number: 14578
Registered: Dec-03
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This is just bizarre!


...amazing!
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Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon
USA

Post Number: 6078
Registered: Feb-05
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Yeah...
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Username: Hifisoundguy

Post Number: 211
Registered: Aug-06
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Art....your just upset that your not the guy that thought about this first!
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Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon
USA

Post Number: 6079
Registered: Feb-05
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True.....!
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Username: Dmitchell

Ottawa, Ontario
Canada

Post Number: 592
Registered: Feb-07
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I used to kinda feel bad for the way people would knock him here (including me sometimes, in a harmless sort of way).

Art gave him full opportunity to prove that he's the real thing and Randy declined to step up.

AMAZING!
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Username: Nuck

Post Number: 9710
Registered: Dec-04
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I... uhh...err...
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Username: Hifisoundguy

Post Number: 212
Registered: Aug-06
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Well..I thought you all could learn something here.....I was wrong! I really feel bad for you all! Time to go......
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Username: Wingmanalive

A pic is worth
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Post Number: 12792
Registered: Jun-06
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K.
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Username: Project6

Post Number: 14581
Registered: Dec-03
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Promises, promises....AMAZING!
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Username: Nuck

Post Number: 9715
Registered: Dec-04
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I learned that if you use a holesaw, some pebbles and glue, a circular saw, some plumbing supplies, a soldering gun, a bag of construction material and a 7-iron, you can DIY a speaker that one person really likes.
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Username: Hifisoundguy

Post Number: 213
Registered: Aug-06
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Yes...my friends want me to put some speakers on the market and thats what I'm going to do. Just think about it...one day your be able to hear speakers by Randy Warren! LATER!!..........
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Username: Project6

Post Number: 14585
Registered: Dec-03
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You already wrote it's "time to go"....stop keeping our hopes up!


AMAZING!
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Username: Exerciseguy

Brooklyn, NY
United States

Post Number: 1790
Registered: Oct-04
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Randy, I'll tell you what, if you EVER put together a real speaker company, particularly one that markets a Quikrete sealant infused cone, I will be the first on line for an audition.

Follow your dreams Randy, follow your dreams.
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Username: Nuck

Post Number: 9719
Registered: Dec-04
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RW, you need a camera to advertise a product. Start saving your pennies now.
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Username: Lamcam

Stanton, Ca
Usa

Post Number: 25
Registered: Nov-07
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LOL....I have to try his tips on my Dynaudio speakers... I have so much fun for reading this post....LOL...
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Username: Dynaudiof140

Zwolle
The Netherlands

Post Number: 2
Registered: Feb-08
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Guys,

Please leave DYNAUDIO out of this discussion. They might get some ideas!

AMAZING
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Username: Dmitchell

Ottawa, Ontario
Canada

Post Number: 634
Registered: Feb-07
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Die thread, die...
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Username: James_lehmann

Post Number: 45
Registered: Nov-06
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I filled my PMC's with cement exactly as Randy suggests and Marc demonstrated.

As a test track I put on the Bill Laswell remix of Bob Marley's 'Exodus' which has enough bass to blow a hole in your wall even without the cement tweak.

Sadly, that's exactly what happened - on the first bass note entry two cement projectiles (with the woofers still attached) shot across the room, straight through the rear wall and into the street below! Fortunately I hadn't 'toed-in' the PMC's or else I'm not sure I would be writing this to you now.

I'm wondering if this may have voided my Warranty though?
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Username: Wingmanalive

A pic is worth
1000 posts!!

Post Number: 13938
Registered: Jun-06
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Upload
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Username: Mike3

Wylie, Tx
USA

Post Number: 1123
Registered: May-06
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Me too, ROTFLMAO.
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Username: Project6

Post Number: 15142
Registered: Dec-03
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File a lawsuit against Randy Warren for putting ideas in your head. He should be liable for that Upload
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Username: Nuck

Post Number: 9814
Registered: Dec-04
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Just had to push this past 100 posts, huh Berny?
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Username: Luxendel

Gondelsheim, Baden-Württe...
Germany

Post Number: 115
Registered: Oct-07
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I put my two Arivas in two separate coffins, filled them up with liquid, neon ultra-bass-amplifier.

Then I hung them vertically under the ceiling.
Gosh, I could bang my head up there in bathroom.

Its now a through-the-ceiling ultra-bass-amplified system.
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Username: Hondafanatic17

Thompsontown, PA
USA

Post Number: 21
Registered: Dec-07
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Ok this is a big joke this thread it can't be right who the hell coats speakers which already prolly sound good in concrete? This is a joke right? I mean is Randy all dumb and trying to make us ruin our speakers?
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Username: Dmitchell

Ottawa, Ontario
Canada

Post Number: 694
Registered: Feb-07
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The speakers sounded good before, but with the concrete, they sound even better.

More "solid".
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