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Platinum Member Username: Jan_b_vigne
Dallas,
TX
Post Number: 11362
Registered: May-04
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| Posted on Wednesday, September 26, 2007 - 04:08 pm: |
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Once and for all get rid of him.
No comments or arguments, please. Just sign on if you agree. |
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Silver Member Username: Nickelbut10
Post Number: 470
Registered: Jun-07
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| Posted on Wednesday, September 26, 2007 - 05:07 pm: |
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Agree. |
Silver Member Username: Shawnharman
Post Number: 129
Registered: Dec-05
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| Posted on Wednesday, September 26, 2007 - 05:14 pm: |
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Agree, Jan is there a certain amount of people you need on this to get his IP adress banned. |
Gold Member Username: Nuck
Post Number: 8772
Registered: Dec-04
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| Posted on Wednesday, September 26, 2007 - 06:03 pm: |
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But I like calling him names.
OK count me in before I get the boot! |
Platinum Member Username: Jan_b_vigne
Dallas,
TX
Post Number: 11365
Registered: May-04
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| Posted on Wednesday, September 26, 2007 - 06:06 pm: |
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Don't know. It's up to Brian Mitchell, the forum administrator. He's banned wiley twice - at least. Send Brian a message here; http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/22/22.html Start a new thread and place the link on this thread. wiley has to go. |
Silver Member Username: Mike3
Wylie,
Tx
USA
Post Number: 728
Registered: May-06
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| Posted on Wednesday, September 26, 2007 - 06:12 pm: |
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Ban Wiley and all his aliases. |
Silver Member Username: Stefanom
Vienna,
VA
United States
Post Number: 996
Registered: Apr-06
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| Posted on Wednesday, September 26, 2007 - 06:24 pm: |
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I suspect it might be a little more difficult than that. Keep in mind folks, not everybody uses an ISP that assigns a static IP address. As such, banning by IP isn't feasible in all cases.
Given the fighting that occurs when he enters a thread though, I can't say I'm shedding too many tears over his being banned. |
Silver Member Username: Shawnharman
Post Number: 135
Registered: Dec-05
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| Posted on Wednesday, September 26, 2007 - 06:44 pm: |
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I posted in the link jan gave so lets see what happens |
Silver Member Username: Nickelbut10
Post Number: 475
Registered: Jun-07
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| Posted on Wednesday, September 26, 2007 - 06:44 pm: |
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Stephen is right, this is a public forum and Wiley being on basic DSL, he will have a Dynamic IP, therefore he can return under any name. We can hope that he just leaves, or joins another forum. lol. |
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Gold Member Username: Nuck
Post Number: 8774
Registered: Dec-04
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| Posted on Wednesday, September 26, 2007 - 07:25 pm: |
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Hows about tracking the email addy that has to be listed as a new poster?
But then again, a career scuzzball likely has a zillion of them to elude billing on all the pornsites he inhabits. |
Silver Member Username: Nickelbut10
Post Number: 477
Registered: Jun-07
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| Posted on Wednesday, September 26, 2007 - 07:49 pm: |
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LOL!!! Exactly Nuck. I say do a trace root on his IP and see where the source IP is. If the source IP is a small town DSL provider, I say band the whole provider. Job well done. And we celebrate. |
Platinum Member Username: Wingmanalive
A pic is worth
1000 posts!!
Post Number: 10290
Registered: Jun-06
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| Posted on Wednesday, September 26, 2007 - 09:10 pm: |
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So how do wireless networks work then? My laptop can pick up an internet signal from 3-4 sources in range of other ppl's wireless modem. I live in the suburb. Imagine if you were in NYC or China, you'd have tons of possible wireless signals to tap into. How can you trace those? J/W. |
Silver Member Username: Nickelbut10
Post Number: 481
Registered: Jun-07
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| Posted on Wednesday, September 26, 2007 - 09:46 pm: |
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Think of an IP, WAN IP or LAN IP address as your ID number on a network. By your laptop picking up a wireless signal via Wi-Fi, the laptop is just receiving a "ID Number" from that wireless router(in this case). Just like you were to plug in a Cat5 cable directly into that persons Router. Once you have received an "ID" and are officially on that persons network, the laptop will receive a LAN IP(internal IP), you will be connected to his connection now sharing the same WAN IP(Public IP address). By then doing a trace root on the IP you are receiving on your laptop now, you can see where the connection is coming from and the source IP of the Internet Provider. There are 2 or 3 main ways to lock down most basic routers from publicly sharing the network, as all people should be doing this. WiFi technology uses packets called Beacons to communicate with other WiFi to share network information.
Either way I don't think Brian would go to this extent to get rid of someone from his Forum. Any other suggestions?lol. |
Bronze Member Username: Mekongdelta69
Grew up in Brooklyn an...
Post Number: 86
Registered: Apr-07
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| Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 12:13 am: |
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"Any other suggestions?"
>> Yes. If you're serious, there's one way which works on ALL forums, just as it's ALWAYS WORKED in real life. (Actually two ways, but you can't punch somebody out 'virtually.')
When you IGNORE somebody, sooner or later, they WILL go away. I've been on a million forums, ranging from hobby sites to conservative sites to cultural/social sites to technical sites to sports sites to military sites to...(you name it) in the last 10+ years and there have ALWAYS been and ALWAYS will be drive-by, troll posters.
The ONLY thing they have in common is they are looking for attention. When they don't get the attention they crave, for whatever psychologically twisted reasons they have, they eventually go away. It won't be right away -- as a matter of fact, if this guy is true to form as every other nuisance poster, at first he might flood your site/thread repetetively, almost to the point of insanity.
However, if you MEAN what you say and IGNORE him, then no matter what he (or any other troll) does, sooner or later he WILL leave -- because it's just no fun for him to keep hitting his hand against the wall and never getting the attention he craves from mommy.
IF you relent and address him/curse him/acknowledge him at least once, the cycle will start ALL over again. IF NOT, the sooner you will be rid of him. It has always worked that way and always will work that way. It's called simple human nature...
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Platinum Member Username: Jan_b_vigne
Dallas,
TX
Post Number: 11366
Registered: May-04
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| Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 12:31 am: |
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That might be the only option. Everyone up to ignoring anyone resembling wiley under any username? We'll keep working on Brian to come up with a permanent solution. But wiley is scum that keeps returning, this is like getting rid of herpes.
Ban and ignore.
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Gold Member Username: Kano
BC
Canada
Post Number: 1225
Registered: Oct-04
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| Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 12:45 am: |
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Looking at Wiley's recent posts I see nothing to warrant the all out assault Vigne is throwing his way. Sure he has been venomous in the past, but his recent negative posts are more reactive than anything.
Vigne following him around the forum calling him out in my opinion is more against the terms of use than anything Wiley's done in recent history. Holding a grudge for events months past seems out of place in such a forum as this.
I'm not defending Wiley here, he obviously has enjoyed instigating in the past, but following members around the forum simply because we don't like them? Seems pretty elementary school to me. |
Gold Member Username: John_a
London
U.K.
Post Number: 4753
Registered: Dec-03
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| Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 12:53 am: |
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Mike is correct.
Jan, this W-person enjoys being called scum and likened to herpes. Deprive him of "the oxygen of publicity". It is not as good as depriving him of the oxygen of oxygen, but it is a start.
My guess is W-person has already been traced and blocked. Otherwise he's be here. Like aliens.
Nick;- "If the source IP is a small town DSL provider, I say band the whole provider."
How small, exactly....?
Some whole countries try to ban the rest of the world.
Ya-hoo.... |
Gold Member Username: John_a
London
U.K.
Post Number: 4754
Registered: Dec-03
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| Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 12:58 am: |
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My post crossed yours, Kano....
I know, we get intelliwrite, or whatever it is, to pop-up "scum" and "herpes" when we move the cursor over the name of he who we do not name....
But E-coustics would get sued by the publishing house, I suppose. |
Gold Member Username: My_rantz
Australia
Post Number: 1605
Registered: Nov-05
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| Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 01:41 am: |
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What?
Ban Wiley?
But . . .
but . . .
Now I'll have to watch Days of our Lives for entertainment.
Yes, ignoring the blighter is the only way. Stop feeding him. |
Bronze Member Username: Mekongdelta69
Grew up in Brooklyn an...
Post Number: 87
Registered: Apr-07
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| Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 01:59 am: |
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Mike (W.),
It occurred to me a while ago (but I never mentioned it), is "Wiley" a takeoff of your hometown, which he did on purpose just to tick you off?
Actually he sounds sort of like that Eric character in my CD/Opinions Appreciated thread, who kept multiple posting because he couldn't 'get the hang of the site' (while professing to be an engineer or something like that, no less). His profile is gone, but his posts unfortunately still remain...
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Silver Member Username: Mike3
Wylie,
Tx
USA
Post Number: 729
Registered: May-06
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| Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 04:43 am: |
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LOL. Maybe we should revisit this banning of small towns, like "Wylie"?
I did suggest ignoring the slob in one of my recent posts then I let him know what I thought anyway. I support using the "Ignore" button with him.
Too bad you can't block what users eCoustics sends you posts from like the way one site I use allows blocking chat from members you specify. |
Silver Member Username: Mike3
Wylie,
Tx
USA
Post Number: 730
Registered: May-06
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| Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 04:52 am: |
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Kano, Wiley is like someone who goes off their meds, in his case frequently.
Yes there have been some informative opinions posted by Wiley, but in each and every case, it is only a matter of time when this member "loses it" and goes on destructive non-productive spamming, and yes usually aimed at Vigne. This has been going on for over a year. While I generally had stayed out of his sights, he has occasionally posted thrash at me too. Gavin, Nuck, and Vigne are his usual targets.
He flat out tries to derail posts and wastes all of our time with his spam.
I do see Vigne's attempts at calling him out over the top, but I can also appreciate the frustration of having to put up with Wiley for so long. |
Gold Member Username: Artk
Albany,
Oregon
USA
Post Number: 5390
Registered: Feb-05
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| Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 07:15 am: |
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I agree with Kano. |
New member Username: Sobeeatch
Post Number: 7
Registered: Sep-07
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| Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 07:39 am: |
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You folks (with the exception of Kano)simply wish to ban someone with whom you disagree or for whom you have developed a dislike. In oter words, you want to keep the forum an exclusive good ole boys club. I say you should be banned. |
Silver Member Username: Gavdawg
Upstate,
New York
Post Number: 935
Registered: Nov-06
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| Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 07:55 am: |
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I agree too. I admit that the last few posts by me were way out of line, at least the ones that had been directed at Wiley. But, there comes a time when a person has enough and gets fed up. Wiley chased me out of the forum the last time this happened.
It isn't about to happen this time  |
New member Username: Sobeeatch
Post Number: 10
Registered: Sep-07
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| Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 08:03 am: |
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Well Gavin, at least you are willing to own up to your mistakes. That is a mark of a decent human being. Much more than I can say about some of these guys who insult the poor and disabled, sneer at those who can't afford high end equipment and denigrate those who ask fundamental questions about how some things work. Vigne and his "crew" have made this forum a haven for the snobbish and the Administrators totally ignore it, allowing him to say whatever the hell he pleases with impunity. |
Bronze Member Username: Sobeeatch
Post Number: 11
Registered: Sep-07
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| Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 08:05 am: |
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Art, please excuse my oversight. I should have included you in the small group of good guys. |
Gold Member Username: Stu_pitt
Irvington,
New York
USA
Post Number: 2109
Registered: May-05
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| Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 03:04 pm: |
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Doesn't all of this get old?
I'm trying to figure out who enjoys it more - the offender(s), or the offended.
The distinction between them seems to get a little blurrier everyday.
If you hate what someone is saying, don't listen. If you want them to leave you alone, ignore them.
If you want them to keep it up, keep doing what you've been doing. Its worked so well up to this point. |
Bronze Member Username: Sobeeatch
Post Number: 18
Registered: Sep-07
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| Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 04:55 pm: |
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It would be that simple Stu if Vigne wasn't on some damn crusade to have certain people banned. |
Gold Member Username: Nuck
Post Number: 8780
Registered: Dec-04
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| Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2007 - 06:00 pm: |
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Gee Wiley, do you think there is a reason that you have been banned twice?
And dont blame Vigne, Brian is loathe to silence anyone, and does so only when the livelyhood of the forum is at risk.
Bear that in mind. |
Silver Member Username: Gavdawg
Upstate,
New York
Post Number: 939
Registered: Nov-06
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| Posted on Sunday, September 30, 2007 - 07:35 pm: |
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http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/22/392426.html
sent Brian a message in the suggestions..
please post on it if we are going to get this resolved.
It contains a link to this thread. |
Silver Member Username: Shawnharman
Post Number: 141
Registered: Dec-05
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| Posted on Sunday, September 30, 2007 - 09:24 pm: |
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hope this one works, the one that I posted over there got deleted by brian almost as fast as it went up. |
Gold Member Username: Petergalbraith
Rimouski,
Quebec
Canada
Post Number: 2036
Registered: Feb-04
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| Posted on Sunday, September 30, 2007 - 10:06 pm: |
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Don't you guys need a body of evidence to ban someone? You should link to the posts you object to. So far this evening, all I'm seen is Jan calling him names for no reason in a few threads. Unless Wiley's posts were cleaned up after the fact, I don't see what the fuss is about.
And I remember being called names and insulted in the same way, so I wonder who need to be banned. :-( |
Gold Member Username: Artk
Albany,
Oregon
USA
Post Number: 5402
Registered: Feb-05
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| Posted on Sunday, September 30, 2007 - 10:23 pm: |
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Good to see you again Peter. |
Platinum Member Username: Jan_b_vigne
Dallas,
TX
Post Number: 11383
Registered: May-04
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| Posted on Sunday, September 30, 2007 - 11:36 pm: |
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Wish I could say the same. I never called you any names, PG. And I only insult those who deserve to be insulted and who invite insults. You and I don't get along, PG, get over it. Did you just show up to p!ss on this forum for awhile? You don't have a clue what has happened here recently so, please, don't get sanctimonious on your yearly visit here.
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Gold Member Username: Petergalbraith
Rimouski,
Quebec
Canada
Post Number: 2038
Registered: Feb-04
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| Posted on Sunday, September 30, 2007 - 11:37 pm: |
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Thanks Art. Hope you've been well. I'm at a crossroads of sorts, and why I'm back looking for info. |
Bronze Member Username: Sobeeatch
Post Number: 26
Registered: Sep-07
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| Posted on Monday, October 01, 2007 - 08:20 am: |
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"And I only insult those who deserve to be insulted and who invite insults." Jan Vigne
Whose forum is this? Who appointed Vigne judge and executioner-other than Nuck and those of similar ilk? Maybe he should start his insults by looking in the mirror. |
Bronze Member Username: Sobeeatch
Post Number: 27
Registered: Sep-07
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| Posted on Monday, October 01, 2007 - 08:22 am: |
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Great post Peter. You used logic and common sense. Too bad those traits are anathema to the likes of Vigne. |
Gold Member Username: Petergalbraith
Rimouski,
Quebec
Canada
Post Number: 2046
Registered: Feb-04
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| Posted on Monday, October 01, 2007 - 09:42 am: |
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Thanks JJ.
I never called you any names, PG
I guess your rhetorical stabs like Surely you're not that slow. Did you show up here to argue about words you don't understand don't count. Show me where I insulted you in any way before that line. You posts to me last year were full of lines like that, and using big fonts while being rude. Kinda like you're doing to Wiley now. Are you saying that you never did this? Or that doesn't count as rude and insulting to you? |
Bronze Member Username: Sobeeatch
Post Number: 28
Registered: Sep-07
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| Posted on Monday, October 01, 2007 - 10:32 am: |
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Oops. Looks like Vignerino has encountered a little unexpected blowback on his thread and campaign. |
Gold Member Username: Frank_abela
Berkshire
UK
Post Number: 2380
Registered: Sep-04
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| Posted on Monday, October 01, 2007 - 10:45 am: |
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I am wholeheartedly with Peter, Art and Kano on this. Jan, your vitriol towards Wiley is out of control after some egging on, but your vitriol toward Peter in the Efficient Speakers thread is just unfathomable! Peter has been a paragon of reasoned writing, but your responses have been insulting, combative, schoolyard taunting with a vicious undercurrent reminiscent of bad teachers in Tom Brown's School Days.
The sad thing is it demeans you more than anything else. |
Gold Member Username: Stu_pitt
Irvington,
New York
USA
Post Number: 2127
Registered: May-05
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| Posted on Monday, October 01, 2007 - 10:49 am: |
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If people hated what Wiley is doing so much, they wouldn't do it themselves. Falling into the trap in the begining is one thing. They've all said - on a number of occasions mind you - that the best way to get rid of him is to ignore him. Yet they continue doing what they've been doing.
If you claim to dispise something and know how to end it, yet don't, how much do you really dispise it?
One isn't any better than the other in this instance. They all seem to like it just as much as each other. |
Gold Member Username: Nuck
Post Number: 8817
Registered: Dec-04
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| Posted on Monday, October 01, 2007 - 11:12 am: |
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No puter for JV tonight.
Bad dog. |
Platinum Member Username: Jan_b_vigne
Dallas,
TX
Post Number: 11389
Registered: May-04
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| Posted on Monday, October 01, 2007 - 12:54 pm: |
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Thank you, Nuck. Oh, by the way, my dog ate your new turntable.
Restating the same words gets us where? Seems everyone is up for a fight.
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Bronze Member Username: Sobeeatch
Post Number: 30
Registered: Sep-07
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| Posted on Monday, October 01, 2007 - 02:15 pm: |
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There is a God somewhere in this universe. And no, it's not Vigne, Nuck's faith notwithstanding. |
Gold Member Username: Nuck
Post Number: 8821
Registered: Dec-04
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| Posted on Monday, October 01, 2007 - 02:43 pm: |
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Geez, yer right JV, Wiley is quick.
Fukit, I am oughtta here.
Next. |
Bronze Member Username: Sobeeatch
Post Number: 31
Registered: Sep-07
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| Posted on Tuesday, October 02, 2007 - 10:01 am: |
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Platinum Member Username: Jan_b_vigne
Dallas,
TX
Post Number: 11416
Registered: May-04
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| Posted on Tuesday, October 02, 2007 - 03:17 pm: |
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I suggest anyone interested in supporting this proposed ban should go to Gavin's post in the "Suggestions" area and copy/repost this iformation.
"JJ Johnson
Post Number: 34
Posted on Tuesday, October 02, 2007 - 01:26 pm:
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Let it go Vigne. The respected contributors to this forum (present company excluded, of course) have not jumped on your "ban" wagon."
Ah, I see. Since wiley has already been banned there would be no interest to jjj in this matter. Only by trying to save himself from yet another banishment would jjj have any interest in whether wiley gets banned once again. This would appear to be a de facto admission by jjj that he is indeed the person who has already banned (at least) twice.
I never thought I say it; but, thank you, wiley. This will be forwarded to the administrator. Since he is the only person who has to jump on a bandwagon, we'll see if he is interested in your latest posting.
http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/22/392426.html |
Bronze Member Username: Sobeeatch
Post Number: 41
Registered: Sep-07
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| Posted on Tuesday, October 02, 2007 - 03:32 pm: |
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The man is absolutely insane. Report that to the Administrator. |
New member Username: 007b
Post Number: 1
Registered: Oct-07
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| Posted on Wednesday, October 03, 2007 - 08:04 am: |
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I'm a newbie but I cetainly don't feel welcome with this kind of stuff going on. I'm curious as to how one poster can call for the ban of another he just happens to disagree with? |
Platinum Member Username: Jan_b_vigne
Dallas,
TX
Post Number: 11429
Registered: May-04
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| Posted on Wednesday, October 03, 2007 - 09:36 am: |
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You appeal to the adminstrator and plead the case. The administrator is the only person here with the power to make the decision. In this case, jjj has been banned which makes number three (at least) for wiley. We'll see if he shows up agin under a new guise. I notice this is your first post. Shall we welcome you or wait for the other shoe to drop?
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New member Username: 007b
Post Number: 3
Registered: Oct-07
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