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Thread: Marantz vs yamaha |
    
Silver Member Username: Polksavage
Post Number: 178
Registered: Jun-06
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| Posted on Friday, March 23, 2007 - 10:55 pm: |
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Do you guys think marantz is a bright reciever like my yammy? |
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Gold Member Username: Artk
Albany,
Oregon
USA
Post Number: 4373
Registered: Feb-05
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| Posted on Friday, March 23, 2007 - 11:32 pm: |
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No. |
Platinum Member Username: Project6
Post Number: 13548
Registered: Dec-03
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| Posted on Saturday, March 24, 2007 - 11:07 am: |
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Not at all. |
Silver Member Username: Claudermilk
CA
USA
Post Number: 449
Registered: Sep-04
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| Posted on Monday, March 26, 2007 - 11:07 am: |
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Nope. That's one reason I picked my Marantz over a Yamaha. |
Bronze Member Username: Alright_boy
Post Number: 73
Registered: Jan-07
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| Posted on Monday, March 26, 2007 - 04:59 pm: |
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No. But I wouldn't generally charaterize Yamahas as bright either. |
Gold Member Username: Nuck
Post Number: 6484
Registered: Dec-04
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| Posted on Monday, March 26, 2007 - 10:15 pm: |
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Then what, if not Yamaha receivers, would you consider bright, JB? |
Silver Member Username: Gavdawg
Upstate,
New York
Post Number: 478
Registered: Nov-06
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| Posted on Monday, March 26, 2007 - 10:29 pm: |
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probably Klipsch Quintet speakers, subwooferless, on a cheap KLH receiver from Best Buy |
Gold Member Username: Nuck
Post Number: 6488
Registered: Dec-04
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| Posted on Monday, March 26, 2007 - 10:32 pm: |
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Yowsa!
Sibilance, anyone? |
Silver Member Username: Gavdawg
Upstate,
New York
Post Number: 481
Registered: Nov-06
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| Posted on Monday, March 26, 2007 - 11:13 pm: |
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hey... I could have said the Bose cubes without bass reinforcement :-P |
Bronze Member Username: Jaw
Post Number: 94
Registered: Mar-06
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| Posted on Tuesday, March 27, 2007 - 12:20 am: |
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Yamahas, starting probably with the RXV1400, are not bright; in fact, there is a bit of warmth to them, if not neutral.
Old wives tale; get over it.
Anybody explain why the Yamaha brand sells a gazillion more AVRs than the Marantz brand? |
Gold Member Username: Frank_abela
Berkshire
UK
Post Number: 1974
Registered: Sep-04
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| Posted on Tuesday, March 27, 2007 - 07:56 am: |
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Bose cubes aren't bright - they have no treble!
You want bright? Original KEF Crestas, original KEF Q series, Totem Arro (only a little, but especially so when not driven by a gutsy amp).
FWIW, I have never found Yamahas to be bright.
Regards,
Frank. |
Bronze Member Username: Alright_boy
Post Number: 77
Registered: Jan-07
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| Posted on Tuesday, March 27, 2007 - 09:21 am: |
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JVC is one example. |
Gold Member Username: Arande2
Extreme SQ FTW
Post Number: 2039
Registered: Dec-06
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| Posted on Tuesday, March 27, 2007 - 09:42 am: |
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Pfft you want bright? Take a 1inch tweeter in a box tuned to 10khz crossed over at 9khz powered with a 40dB (10,000x) boost at 20khz, that's bright.. |
Silver Member Username: Claudermilk
CA
USA
Post Number: 451
Registered: Sep-04
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| Posted on Tuesday, March 27, 2007 - 11:13 am: |
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"Anybody explain why the Yamaha brand sells a gazillion more AVRs than the Marantz brand?"
Sure, brand recognition and availability. More people know about Yamaha A/V equipment and it's sold a whole lot more places. I can count the number of places I can buy a Marantz locally on one hand--in Southern California. I can walk into most big box stores and buy a Yamaha, or go as far as a Tweeter-level place.
It wasn't until I really started researching A/V & HT gear that I found out about Marantz, but I was aware of the Yamaha gear prior to that (and it was one of the early short-list options that lasted until the final decision). |
Silver Member Username: Gavdawg
Upstate,
New York
Post Number: 482
Registered: Nov-06
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| Posted on Tuesday, March 27, 2007 - 02:58 pm: |
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Frank, I have always associated brightness to be a peak in the 8khz area, not necessarily the upper treble region where the Bose cubes severely lack.
different strokes for different folks |
Bronze Member Username: Jaw
Post Number: 95
Registered: Mar-06
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| Posted on Tuesday, March 27, 2007 - 11:54 pm: |
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No, not at all. The reason Marantz does not sell a gazillion and has limited distribution is because their owner, D&M Holdings, has a self designed marketing scheme to do so. Within D&M, Marantz is a stable mate of Denon and McIntosh so D&M has chosen Denon, much like Yamaha does, to bastardize the Denon brand in any/all mass distribution trade channels to generate mass unit sales/profits. Meanwhile, Marantz is their designated boutique brand in limited trade channels to maintain retail prices/margins in the boutique operations.
D&M, apparently, is banking on the perception that some people still attach some special pseudo-audiophile quality to Marantz based on bygone days with the funky, twirly thumb tuner wheel. It’s all about brand marketing synergy owned by the same company to max sales – its all perception. Marantz is probably made in their same factories as Denon.
Denon and Marantz brands have had various owners over the years; they have stabilized under the ownership of D&M with their deep pockets and aggressive business skills to give Yamaha a run for their money. According to D&M annual report, all three of their brands combined now equal the market share of Yamaha. I say good because the competition is good for the consumer. I’ve posted links to D&M before; you can research it and learn something.
There is nothing special in quality level of Marantz over Denon or Yamaha; they are all solid mid fi AVRs; and, I think, their SQ has improved dramatically over the last few years beginning to approach, finally, entry level audiophile stuff. When you throw in the AVR features/needs of lip sync, HDMI, room equalization, etc. plus the very good stereo SQ, all these brands have a lot going for them.
FWIW, at least one forum member on this thread has posted that the SQ of the new Marantz AVRs has changed and gone south. |
Gold Member Username: Frank_abela
Berkshire
UK
Post Number: 1982
Registered: Sep-04
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| Posted on Wednesday, March 28, 2007 - 10:06 am: |
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Gavin,
Most treble units in ordinary speakers come in at around 2khz. In 3-way systems where there is a dedicated midrange unit, they usually cross over around the 4 - 5 khz mark.
Regards,
Frank. |
Silver Member Username: Gavdawg
Upstate,
New York
Post Number: 490
Registered: Nov-06
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| Posted on Wednesday, March 28, 2007 - 10:46 am: |
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true true... I know this.
I was speaking of the emphasis and my personal definition of brightness, and how one word can mean several things to several people.
Gavin |
Gold Member Username: Nuck
Post Number: 6522
Registered: Dec-04
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| Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 12:48 am: |
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Frank, I havn't heard a Yamy receiver thet did NOT shound bright.
Which do you like? |
Gold Member Username: Nuck
Post Number: 6523
Registered: Dec-04
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| Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 12:49 am: |
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I am way behind on models, btw. |
Gold Member Username: Artk
Albany,
Oregon
USA
Post Number: 4420
Registered: Feb-05
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| Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 08:22 am: |
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Yamaha's have the reputation as bright because their poor power supplies are usually driven to hard by HT or music enthusiasts trying drive inefficient or difficult loads to ridiculous volumes. I have not experienced more brightness from Yamaha properly driven than Denon. |
