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Thread: Need BEST Bang for the Buck stereo reciever $300 |
    
New member Username: Audiobuff
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Registered: Jan-07
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| Posted on Friday, January 19, 2007 - 09:41 pm: |
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Hi, thinking about the H/K 3480 or a nice kenwood M2A, opinions?
Thanks! |
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Bronze Member Username: Shawnharman
Post Number: 35
Registered: Dec-05
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| Posted on Friday, January 19, 2007 - 11:03 pm: |
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H/k |
Gold Member Username: Nuck
Post Number: 5418
Registered: Dec-04
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| Posted on Friday, January 19, 2007 - 11:12 pm: |
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h/k |
Platinum Member Username: Project6
Post Number: 12485
Registered: Dec-03
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| Posted on Friday, January 19, 2007 - 11:14 pm: |
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Harman Kardon |
Gold Member Username: Nuck
Post Number: 5423
Registered: Dec-04
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| Posted on Friday, January 19, 2007 - 11:51 pm: |
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A nice Kenwood?
Nice? |
Gold Member Username: Nuck
Post Number: 5424
Registered: Dec-04
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| Posted on Friday, January 19, 2007 - 11:52 pm: |
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And there is no crying in Baseball. |
Platinum Member Username: Project6
Post Number: 12486
Registered: Dec-03
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| Posted on Saturday, January 20, 2007 - 12:07 am: |
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I still have my Kenwood. |
New member Username: Audiobuff
Post Number: 2
Registered: Jan-07
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| Posted on Saturday, January 20, 2007 - 12:14 am: |
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Nuck, obviously you dont know much about vintage audio  the M2A happens to be a very well respected amp. |
New member Username: Audiobuff
Post Number: 3
Registered: Jan-07
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| Posted on Saturday, January 20, 2007 - 12:18 am: |
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Actually, i had one more question, What is the bass response like with the H/K? I have a JBL S120PII Sub so i dont think it will be a problem. Does it put out alot of sound? |
Gold Member Username: Nuck
Post Number: 5428
Registered: Dec-04
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| Posted on Saturday, January 20, 2007 - 12:39 am: |
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I didn't ditch Kenwood, I went after the adjective.
And no AuDIObuFF , I must not know about much. |
Bronze Member Username: Thecrypt
Lawrence,
Kansas
Post Number: 98
Registered: Dec-06
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| Posted on Saturday, January 20, 2007 - 12:40 am: |
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I've been left speechless. |
Gold Member Username: Nuck
Post Number: 5430
Registered: Dec-04
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| Posted on Saturday, January 20, 2007 - 12:42 am: |
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me too, for a change. |
Gold Member Username: Nuck
Post Number: 5431
Registered: Dec-04
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| Posted on Saturday, January 20, 2007 - 12:46 am: |
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http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/details/47055-bw_dm2/
and
http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/1/313696.html
the 'c' system. |
Silver Member Username: Thecrypt
Lawrence,
Kansas
Post Number: 101
Registered: Dec-06
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| Posted on Saturday, January 20, 2007 - 12:51 am: |
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Silver FTW
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Platinum Member Username: Project6
Post Number: 12487
Registered: Dec-03
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| Posted on Saturday, January 20, 2007 - 12:52 am: |
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"Nuck, obviously you dont know much about vintage audio the M2A happens to be a very well respected amp."
Then why come here for opinions? You did ask for them didn't you? |
New member Username: Audiobuff
Post Number: 4
Registered: Jan-07
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| Posted on Saturday, January 20, 2007 - 03:05 am: |
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I didnt know he was being sarcastic,Nuck, sorry if i offended you, what you said was just taken the wrong way by me. Pardon my mistake, HOW WAS I SUPPOSED TO KNOW YOU OWN A AUDIO STORE LOL!?!?!! its hard to relay thoughts through a text based medium......sheesh
My bad...
thanks for the help EVERYONE!
o yea, have a great day  |
Gold Member Username: Nuck
Post Number: 5435
Registered: Dec-04
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| Posted on Saturday, January 20, 2007 - 10:02 am: |
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Buff, I could not agree more with your assessment of the lack of intonation and tonality of the English language when presented as black text on a white page.
No offense taken at all, and none intended.
Where is the Kenwood amp coming from/available at? |
Gold Member Username: Nuck
Post Number: 5436
Registered: Dec-04
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| Posted on Saturday, January 20, 2007 - 10:03 am: |
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http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/1/8727.html |
New member Username: Audiobuff
Post Number: 5
Registered: Jan-07
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| Posted on Saturday, January 20, 2007 - 12:38 pm: |
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There is one on ebay, its funny, I actually contacted the person who started that thread to see if he wanted to part with one of his...but i think that it will mainly be off of ebay. |
Gold Member Username: Hawk
Highlands Ranch,
CO
USA
Post Number: 1085
Registered: Dec-03
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| Posted on Saturday, January 20, 2007 - 11:42 pm: |
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Nick:
Forget a stereo receiver. Get a stereo integrated amp, the NAD C320bee, for $299. It will be waaaaaaay better than any stereo receiver at that price point. Get it here while they still have them:
http://www.saturdayaudio.com/
Click on the box in the upper right hand corner. |
Gold Member Username: Nuck
Post Number: 5474
Registered: Dec-04
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| Posted on Saturday, January 20, 2007 - 11:50 pm: |
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Grrreat deal.
Just a tad light on power, but a super entry level unit for 3 skins! |
New member Username: Audiobuff
Post Number: 6
Registered: Jan-07
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| Posted on Sunday, January 21, 2007 - 01:41 am: |
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 Very nice, that looks like a definite winner, what is NADs warranty like? Do they have many problems? |
Gold Member Username: Hawk
Highlands Ranch,
CO
USA
Post Number: 1089
Registered: Dec-03
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| Posted on Sunday, January 21, 2007 - 03:23 pm: |
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1. Two years, parts and labor
2. Problems with NAD integrateds? None that I know of. In fact, as the 320bee and the 372 are both "Recommended Components" by Stereophile, I think it is fair to say they are among the better quality built units out there.
I am not sure I would say the NAD is light on power, either. I have heard NAD's 50wpc amps compared directly to other brands 100wpc amps, and the NAD not only had more power, it was cleaner sounding, too. It is amazing what a good power supply, larger capacitors, and higher output transistors can do for an amp. |
Bronze Member Username: Mvanmeter
KY
USA
Post Number: 80
Registered: Jan-06
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| Posted on Sunday, January 21, 2007 - 03:52 pm: |
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to the original poster - Nick.....
I will drop this suggestion, bacause I have a slightly older model which has given very good service for a number of years. Then I'll run away before the fierce flames begin... 8-}
Pioneer VSX-816
http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=250-510 |
Gold Member Username: Nuck
Post Number: 5497
Registered: Dec-04
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| Posted on Sunday, January 21, 2007 - 03:59 pm: |
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I am a fan of bigger power, that's all.
I cannot find a a fault with the 320BEE for 299.
At all.
It might be hard to beat at $100 more. |
New member Username: Audiobuff
Post Number: 7
Registered: Jan-07
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| Posted on Sunday, January 21, 2007 - 04:49 pm: |
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Ok Nuck, thanks alot, one more question, if i could get a kenwood m2a for 250-300 would that kick the pants off of the NAD? and if i used my current reciever as a preout, i could use the subwoofer out on that for my sub (JBL S120PII) right?
lol thanks Martin, ill take a look
Thanks a ton! |
New member Username: Audiobuff
Post Number: 8
Registered: Jan-07
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| Posted on Sunday, January 21, 2007 - 05:06 pm: |
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Also is the M2A considered to be audiofile material? |
Gold Member Username: Nuck
Post Number: 5501
Registered: Dec-04
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| Posted on Sunday, January 21, 2007 - 05:06 pm: |
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BuFf, I won't make a rec on anything beating a Nad.
You see, Nad has been making hifi for a while, as did Kenwood at one time, but the move to Mass Market audio left me in a bit of a lurch.
I have no experience with Kenwood amps, but my CAD454 cassette deck recorded a lot of band stuff.
That was a 1969 unit, the band was 1975.
Good luck! |
New member Username: Audiobuff
Post Number: 9
Registered: Jan-07
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| Posted on Sunday, January 21, 2007 - 05:20 pm: |
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o well, i think if i can ill go with the M2A, 220wpc @ 0.004% THD, cant beat that for $200. |
Gold Member Username: Nuck
Post Number: 5506
Registered: Dec-04
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| Posted on Sunday, January 21, 2007 - 06:14 pm: |
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That looks cool for 2 bills, Buff.
Just so long as you know that THD is a useless number, just like damping factor, total power @ rated disortion and nearly everything else, mostly amplifier power.
If you can drag up some intermodal distortion values and a viable slew rate on the amp, it might be close to that Pioneer I posted. |
New member Username: Audiobuff
Post Number: 10
Registered: Jan-07
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| Posted on Sunday, January 21, 2007 - 06:25 pm: |
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220 watts per channel minimum RMS, both channels driven, at 8 ohms from 20 Hz to 20,000 Hz with no more than 0.004% total harmonic distortion.
Clipping Power at 8 ohms............242 W at 4 ohms..........324 W Clipping Headroom at 8 ohms......0.2 dB at 4 ohms..........1.1 dB Dynamic Power at 8 ohms...........325 W at 4 ohms...........484 W Dynamic Headroom at 8 ohms.....1.5 dB at 4 ohms...........2.9 dB
Total Harmonic Distortion (20 Hz to 20,000 Hz)Input to SPEAKER output.............0.004% at rated power into 8 ohms .........................................................0.004% at 1/2 rated power into 8 ohms, .........................................................0.001% at rated power into 8 ohms at 1 kHz
Intermodulation Distortion...........0.004% at rated power into 8 ohms
Damping Factor............................More than 1,000 at 50 Hz, 8 ohms
Transient Response Rise Time ........................................1.8us Slew Rate ........................................+- 100 V/us
Frequency Response....................1 Hz to 200 kHz, + 0 dB, - 3 dB
Signal-to-Noise Ratio.....................120 dB (IHF A Curve)
Speaker Impedance.......................Accept 4 ohms to 16 ohms
Input Sensitivity/Impedance.........1 V/47 k ohms |
Gold Member Username: Nuck
Post Number: 5507
Registered: Dec-04
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| Posted on Sunday, January 21, 2007 - 06:32 pm: |
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Great info, Buff.
The 1.8 slew rate is very good, the 100 variable is a standard, but is getting picky.
I cannot find a single reason not to own this amp, at all.
I would buy 2. |
Bronze Member Username: Audiobuff
Post Number: 11
Registered: Jan-07
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| Posted on Sunday, January 21, 2007 - 06:39 pm: |
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Sweet, great to hear, also if i want to use my sub, do i get a pre amp? is there a pre amp that has a sub output on it? Or could i just go from my crappy pioneer VSX-D412 to the amp using RCA jacks then hook the sub into the pioneers sub out?
Thanks again Nuck! |
Gold Member Username: Nuck
Post Number: 5508
Registered: Dec-04
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| Posted on Sunday, January 21, 2007 - 07:10 pm: |
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Buff, I must have missed the sub info.
Nearly every pre(and most receivers) have sub options.
Most subs have options as well, including speaker level inputs. |
Bronze Member Username: Audiobuff
Post Number: 12
Registered: Jan-07
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| Posted on Sunday, January 21, 2007 - 07:19 pm: |
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I was outbid in the last 2 seconds  , looks like i will go with the NAD, i know its 50wpc, but is that enough power to fill a room and supply ample sound for a party? Nuck is there a cheap preamp you could recommend that has a sub out on it? |
Gold Member Username: Nuck
Post Number: 5511
Registered: Dec-04
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| Posted on Sunday, January 21, 2007 - 07:23 pm: |
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Buff scroll back up to Hawk's entries.
You will not be disappointed. |
Bronze Member Username: Audiobuff
Post Number: 13
Registered: Jan-07
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| Posted on Sunday, January 21, 2007 - 08:31 pm: |
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Will it output more sound than the 120wpc H/K? You guys are going to laugh me out of the forums on this one, but the speakers i will be using are Sony SONY SS-MF750H's, will i even be able to take advantage of this amps wonderful SQ with these speakers? they dont sound horrible, but sony......yea......sony |
Bronze Member Username: Audiobuff
Post Number: 14
Registered: Jan-07
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| Posted on Sunday, January 21, 2007 - 08:45 pm: |
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I can get a pair of Infinity Ref 2000.6 for $200, any recommendations for best bang for the buck speakers? |
Gold Member Username: Nuck
Post Number: 5515
Registered: Dec-04
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| Posted on Sunday, January 21, 2007 - 09:13 pm: |
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Bang for the buck speakers?
Yup, but caveat emptour.
These ain't a Kegger type Party speaker.
However, the Emma's can roll nicely...
www.Alegriaaudio.com
You need a saw and some white glue and some nails.
The Ling speakers are my absolute favorites. |
Gold Member Username: Nuck
Post Number: 5516
Registered: Dec-04
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| Posted on Sunday, January 21, 2007 - 09:17 pm: |
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Between the Nad BEE and a 120wpc H/K?
Cannot pick on that one.
Darn, I still like both. |
Silver Member Username: Stefanom
Vienna,
VA
United States
Post Number: 301
Registered: Apr-06
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| Posted on Monday, January 22, 2007 - 01:20 pm: |
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I'd consider the HK 3380 as well. It has 40 fewer watts (which translates into a couple fewer dB), but the same quality, and runs for 200 bucks. If you're planning a speaker upgrade as well, that extra 100 will definitely come in handy more there than the extra 40 watts will get you. |
Bronze Member Username: Audiobuff
Post Number: 15
Registered: Jan-07
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| Posted on Monday, January 22, 2007 - 10:25 pm: |
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Harmanaudio.com has refurb 3480 for $200 |
