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Gold Member Username: Jan_b_vigne
Dallas,
TX
Post Number: 7171
Registered: May-04
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| Posted on Saturday, January 14, 2006 - 10:48 pm: |
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As seen elsewhere; this site wanders around quite a bit. When you need something to occupy your time, there's bound to be something on this page.
http://www.1388.com/articles/ampdesign-english/index.html
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Gold Member Username: John_a
London
U.K.
Post Number: 3864
Registered: Dec-03
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| Posted on Monday, January 16, 2006 - 05:10 am: |
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Thanks, Jan. The whole site looks interesting, to me. http://www.1388.com/
I wrote above 'China now has its own, growing home market of discerning "audiophiles", I am sure'. The site shows the same is true for Singapore, where so much is manufactured. I have never bought the idea of assembly lines of people making mysterious products purely for export, while having no interest in what they do and whether what the products themselves are actually any good. It is human to want to be able to take pride in what you are doing.
And everyone likes music, whether performed or convincingly reproduced. That is surely another reason to be cheerful. |
Bronze Member Username: Bcollins
Rockport,
MA
United States
Post Number: 45
Registered: Nov-05
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| Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 10:08 am: |
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Has anyone here had any experience with the Cayin amps? Specifically the SA-88T? They claim it sounds like the MAC 275. Is this true? Lists for $1895 but retails for $1500. Is this any different in sound quality than Primaluna or Jolida? Thank you,
Bill |
Silver Member Username: Two_cents
Post Number: 677
Registered: Feb-04
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| Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 03:51 pm: |
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There's a review of the Cayin amp in Stereophile by Sam Tellig who compares it to the Mac 275 that he owns. He thinks the Cayin falls short of the Mac. Not surprising. The review is still favorable. Then again, when does Stereophile ever print a negative review. Take it for what it's worth. |
Bronze Member Username: Bcollins
Rockport,
MA
United States
Post Number: 47
Registered: Nov-05
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| Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 05:40 pm: |
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Thank you Two Cents,
Do you have a link to that review?
Bil |
Bronze Member Username: Bcollins
Rockport,
MA
United States
Post Number: 48
Registered: Nov-05
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| Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 05:41 pm: |
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Thank you Two Cents,
Do you by chance have a link to that review?
Bill |
Silver Member Username: Two_cents
Post Number: 678
Registered: Feb-04
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| Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 12:44 pm: |
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Bill, the review doesn't seem to have been posted on Stereophile's website yet. It was in the December 2005 issue if you can get your hands on hard copy. |
Bronze Member Username: Bcollins
Rockport,
MA
United States
Post Number: 49
Registered: Nov-05
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| Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 05:32 pm: |
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Thanks, I'll try and track one down.
Bill |
Gold Member Username: Jan_b_vigne
Dallas,
TX
Post Number: 7223
Registered: May-04
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| Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 06:26 pm: |
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It should be mentioned the MC275, in new or original series, sells for around $4,000.
I read the review and have seen the ads. Both bring to mind the description of "sounding like" the 275. After reading the review, I wonder just what aspect of the 275's sound they sound like. Not that it was a bad review; actually it faired quite well.
The 275 and the Marantz 8B and Model 9 tube amplifiers have, for four decades, been comparison points for tube amps. (Along with the less expensive but well loved Dynaco ST-70.) While the general characteristics of those amps might be captured it is difficult to understand just how the newer amps can sound like something that used proprietary designs. (OK, Dyna's UltraLinear design is widely imitated now.) In the case of the 275 without the Unity Coupled Tranformer designs there isn't much to go on other than overbuild like the miltary was going to abuse the amp.
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Bronze Member Username: Bcollins
Rockport,
MA
United States
Post Number: 50
Registered: Nov-05
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| Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 07:58 pm: |
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Thank you Jan,
I wasn't sure if it was just marketing hype or that there might be some similarities. Do you recall what they didn't like in the review? I'm considering ordering the amp if it comes even close! I just hate to purchase something I haven't listened to. Unfortunately all of the amps I am considering are only availible to me via mail-order. I'd love to know how the Cayin compares to other sub $2000 tube amps. If you or anyone else could recommend a tube amp that stands out from the others in that price range I would be forever grateful. I love the sound of the MC275 as well as other Mac amps but they are way out of my price range. I've heard good things here about the Primaluna P2 (also KT88) but thought that the Cayin might sound better due it's comparison to the Mac.(pretty naive eh?) Anyway, your feedback is appreciated. Thank you,
Bill |
Silver Member Username: Two_cents
Post Number: 679
Registered: Feb-04
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| Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 08:24 pm: |
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Bill,
If you love the sound of the MC275 and aren't adverse to buying used, why not get a used Mac. You can probably find one for not much more than a new Cayin amp. That way you own what you love rather than an approximation of the thing you love. Believe me, it's a more satisfying feeling to spend that little bit extra to get the real deal.
Macs are solidly built and easily serviced so buying a used one that isn't too old shouldn't be much of a risk. Maybe Jan would be willing to sell you his Mac ;) |
Gold Member Username: Artk
Albany,
Oregon
USA
Post Number: 2638
Registered: Feb-05
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| Posted on Thursday, January 19, 2006 - 09:00 pm: |
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OK Folks of the tubes. I am considering liquidating my home theater and going back to a simple 2 channel system for music. I will also play movies but they will be of far less importance. I have listened to the Prima Luna amps and have been very impressed. The combination that I am considering is this:
Prima Luna Prologue 2
ProAc Studio 140
Audio Refinement CD Complete Alpha (I already have this piece).
The reason for the potential change is that the system I have is complex and spread all over the living room of my little 1000 sq ft home. With rear speakers on stands there is simply no safe place in my living space for my grandchildren which makes their visits tense for everyone. I think it may be time to simplify for everyone. In the process I would like to improve the sound for music. Any comments on the pieces that I have chosen would be appreciated. I brought it to this thread because tubes are involved and because some of our most knowledgeable folks post here. |
Gold Member Username: Jan_b_vigne
Dallas,
TX
Post Number: 7226
Registered: May-04
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| Posted on Friday, January 20, 2006 - 01:24 am: |
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This is the best price I've seen on a 275 - ever!
http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?ampstube&1142461019
http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?ampstube&1142039271
Usually they go for more like this:
http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?ampstube&1142000994
One thing about buying the real thing is the reliability of the Mac. You should not be too concerned about having the 275 in the shop and it will retain its value. However the Cayin sounds it will be worth half of its retail once you open the box.
Art - The PrimaLuna and the ProAcs seem, to me, to be an odd mixture of personalities.
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Gold Member Username: Rick_b
Orlando,
Florida
USA
Post Number: 1275
Registered: Dec-03
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| Posted on Friday, January 20, 2006 - 06:38 am: |
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Bill,
If you have a chance, listen to the Sophia Electric "Baby". I think you will be amazed. I don't know your room size or speaker considerations, so factor that in when looking at a 10 watt amp. But what a glorious 10 watts!
Art,
Nice to see you still still posting! Going to tubes? It's about time! LOL! |
Bronze Member Username: Bcollins
Rockport,
MA
United States
Post Number: 51
Registered: Nov-05
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| Posted on Friday, January 20, 2006 - 07:37 am: |
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Thanks Two Cents,
You make a good point. I considered used, but even used the MC275 is beyond reach. I would need to buy a preamp as well which would not be cheap. My only option at this point is to get the best sounding tube amp in my price bracket, which is kind of tricky since I am unable to audition any of them! - Also, I get the impression Jan is quite attached to his. Thanks again,
Bill |
Bronze Member Username: Bcollins
Rockport,
MA
United States
Post Number: 52
Registered: Nov-05
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| Posted on Friday, January 20, 2006 - 08:07 am: |
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Jan,
Thank you for those links. Reliability is a concern of mine. I'm not sure how I would have any waranty service done on one of the mail order amps. Kind of a pain to send it out of state if I have a problem. A tech person I know told me that the MC275 could be used without a preamp since it has a gain control. Would there be a loss in sound quality by doing this?
Also, is there a significant difference in tube amps in the same price range that run the same tubes? I can order a Jolida from my local dealer, but I've heard that they have reliability problems. I'm not sure if they are any less reliable than the others I'm considering, but at least I would have a dealer to bring it back to if I had a problem. Thanks,
Bill
Rick,
I've seen reviews of the little Sophia. Looks like it would be fun, but I don't think 10w would do it for me in my main system. Possibly a second system if finances ever permit. Thanks,
Bill
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Gold Member Username: Artk
Albany,
Oregon
USA
Post Number: 2639
Registered: Feb-05
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| Posted on Friday, January 20, 2006 - 08:55 am: |
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"Art - The PrimaLuna and the ProAcs seem, to me, to be an odd mixture of personalities."
Perhaps. British speakers and tubes...hmmm. However they do seem to be a good match. The ProAcs are very efficient and have fantastic imaging and sounstaging characteristics. They aren't the last word in detail and transparency but they ain't too shabby either. Another seemingly odd match that I listened to and liked was the Prima Luna with the Naim Ariva speakers. They too are very efficient and share some other characteristics with the ProAcs. Where they differ is that with the Prima Luna amps they have a fatter or more plump sound. The low end is a bit less well balanced. The Naims were playing loud with the volume on the PL1 at 10:00 o'clock.
Rick, It's good to see you are still with us if only just occasionally (wish it were more often).
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Gold Member Username: Rick_b
Orlando,
Florida
USA
Post Number: 1276
Registered: Dec-03
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| Posted on Friday, January 20, 2006 - 07:13 pm: |
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Art,
Thank you for the kind words.
Bill,
I also have a Jolida tube amp, and have had no quality issues or problems. |
Gold Member Username: Artk
Albany,
Oregon
USA
Post Number: 2644
Registered: Feb-05
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| Posted on Friday, January 20, 2006 - 09:20 pm: |
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Have any of ya'll listened to the Antique Sound Labs AQ 1001 DT. Just curious. The search for a great inexpensive tube integrated is on. |
Gold Member Username: Jan_b_vigne
Dallas,
TX
Post Number: 7230
Registered: May-04
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| Posted on Friday, January 20, 2006 - 10:01 pm: |
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http://gon8.audiogon.com/i/c/f/1137785944.jpg
http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?intatube&1140529063
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Gold Member Username: Jan_b_vigne
Dallas,
TX
Post Number: 7231
Registered: May-04
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| Posted on Friday, January 20, 2006 - 10:08 pm: |
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Running any line level source into a power amp without any type of pre amp to provide constant impedance and buffering to the gain stages is a dicey affair. The gain comtrols in the old Macs are simple potentiometers which have OK but not great sound quality. The impedance of the circuit changes with the position of the volume control and there is usually only one correct position where the impedances match up to allow full dynamics and frequency response. Interconencts must be kept as short as possible and the interconnect shouldn't have excessive inductance or capacitance. If those criteria work in your system, then, yes, a CD player or DVD player can be run directly into the MC275. There is obviously no switching between components. If you run the system like this, you are usually running only one component as your source. Quite a few people at least start their systems with this configuration as they search for the pre amp they want to use.
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Bronze Member Username: Darkmusic
Dover,
Delaware
Usa
Post Number: 20
Registered: Apr-05
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| Posted on Saturday, January 21, 2006 - 11:02 am: |
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Greetings!
I also have a Jolida (707A). I have had no problems with the unit and I am very happy with it.
Jan -- I replaced the stock 6l6s with winged c 6l6s. The sound is very clear.
I also had the oportunity to move my xray cd unit to the MA6100 and the Ling IIs. This combination sounds fine -- I am not sure how this combination differs from the Jolida yet. I suspect the "edginess" I heard previously was due to a low-grade cd player that I had connected to the 6100 and Lings. Thus, GIGO.
Have a good weekend, people. |
Bronze Member Username: Mrbeefy
Post Number: 15
Registered: Jan-06
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| Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 02:11 pm: |
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Anybody have any opinions of Cary Audio Designs? I'm looking for a good tube and the SLI-80 (http://www.caryaudio.com/products/audio/sli80.shtml)
has spiked my interest. I haven't had a chance to listen to it, but I figured you guys would probably have some thoughts on Cary's lines
Thanks! any help is appresiated! |
Gold Member Username: Jan_b_vigne
Dallas,
TX
Post Number: 7278
Registered: May-04
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| Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 08:27 pm: |
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Sorry, I've never had the opportunity to listen through Cary gear. |
Gold Member Username: Artk
Albany,
Oregon
USA
Post Number: 2666
Registered: Feb-05
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| Posted on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 01:16 pm: |
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Just ordered the Prima Luna Prologue Two with phono. Decided to keep my Paradigm Studio 20v3's. Very much looking forward to getting the amp and listening to all (yeah right) of my music again.
New system configuration:
Paradigm Studio 20 v3's
Era Design Sub 10
Prima Luna Prologue 2 Integrated Amp
Yamaha RX-V657 A/V Receiver (used as AM/FM/XM tuner)
Audio Refinement CD Complete Alpha
Denon DVD-2910 Universal player
ProJect 1Xpression w/Grado Blue cart and Speed Box |
Silver Member Username: Stu_pitt
New York City,
New York
Post Number: 852
Registered: May-05
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| Posted on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 02:52 pm: |
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Art -
Please let me know how the ProLogue Two goes. I'm reading up on tube integrateds and plan on buying one around summer time. I'd love to do it now, but I'd like to get a few bills out of the way first. I think you said that you've listened to the PrimaLuna line before. Have you heard the ProLogue One? What made you choose the ProLogue Two over anything else you've heard/considered? The Two will most likely be the upper limit of my budget, and seems to be (without hearing any of the ones I'm looking at) my best candidate. |
Gold Member Username: Artk
Albany,
Oregon
USA
Post Number: 2668
Registered: Feb-05
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| Posted on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 03:46 pm: |
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Hi Stu,
I selected the Prima Luna because it was so highly regarded by an audiophile friend of mine. I listened to the ProLogue One with a variety of speakers and found it to be delightful. I chose the Two due to the flexibility of being able swith out tubes in the future. I also like the auto bias feature on both the One and Two.
The Prima Luna line appears to be very well built. I ordered it from a dealer who had been a Jolida dealer at one time. She stated that she had over a 100% failure rate with her Jolida products. When I asked how she could have over a 100% failure rate she stated that on the products failed twice. I believe that was a couple of years ago before Jolida improved their build quality.
I had listened to a few tube integtateds before ordering this one but it came down to a choice between this one and the Rogue Audio Cronus (which is a nice product). I liked the Prima Luna sound a little better and Teri let me trade in my NAD C162 pre amp. To be fair to the Rogue, I was listening to it with speakers that I don't like as well as the ones that I listened to the Prima Luna with. |
Gold Member Username: Nuck
Parkhill,
Ontario
Canada
Post Number: 1084
Registered: Dec-04
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| Posted on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 04:19 pm: |
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From stereotypes in portland, Art?
Good luck, good call on the Paradigms. |
Silver Member Username: Stu_pitt
New York City,
New York
Post Number: 854
Registered: May-05
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| Posted on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 04:21 pm: |
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Art -
Thanks for your insight. I've also heard a lot of great things about the PrimaLuna line. The autobias feature seems to keep things simple for a soon to be first time tube user such as myself. I too was thinking that the ProLogue Two would be a better bet because it has more flexibility with tube swapping (is this the same as tube rolling?) than the One. After the "tube sound," the second main thing that turns me on to tubes is the ability to swap tubes in and out to custom tailor the sound to my liking. I know every tube won't work in every piece, but I'd like to have as many options as possible.
I'd also be interested in how well your Studio 20's pair up with it. I was kicking around the idea of Studio bookshelves and a sub or Studio towers. I'd love to get the Studio 100's, but I don't know how well tubes would react to the impedence swings they supposedly have. I'd definately have to bring the integrated to the Paradigm dealer and listen for a while before I committed to that. |
Gold Member Username: Artk
Albany,
Oregon
USA
Post Number: 2671
Registered: Feb-05
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| Posted on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 04:45 pm: |
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Yep Nuck from Stereotypes. Teri is great!
Yep Stu, Paradigms are famous for having wild impedence swings. You guys may have noticed that I chose to keep the Studio 20's rather than the 40's. The 20's don't sound quite as full as the 40's but they get the essence of music right. They just have a more coherent sound. They also seem have a wider soundstage. The do a better job of filling the listening room side-to-side than do the 40's. I really like the sound of a well designed 2 way bookshelf speaker. So as Stereophile pronounced awhile back "Tubes for Everyman" (and woman I presume). |
Gold Member Username: John_a
London
U.K.
Post Number: 3890
Registered: Dec-03
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| Posted on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 04:56 pm: |
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Good luck, Art!
Please post back with your impressions. |
Gold Member Username: Nuck
Parkhill,
Ontario
Canada
Post Number: 1086
Registered: Dec-04
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| Posted on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 05:21 pm: |
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Stu, from what I have garnered so far, the 1 and 2 of tubes is #1 solid clean input power, balanced for 230 volt, well isolated to neutral ground for 120 volt.A ground spike is helpful with an isolated power supply or isolated 230 to 120 transformer.
Second would be a balanced even load at the speakers.
I read a piece from a guy in with Rega and Unico amps who could not get his sound right, until he shunted a meter with the speakers and found a calculated impedence swing way out of limits, yet no other indicators, as he was tapped at 4 ohms with the Rega.
They were totems, he said, Rainmakers I think.
So the load has to be stable, at 16 8 or 4, it seems.
I am also poking around the tubes. |
Gold Member Username: Jan_b_vigne
Dallas,
TX
Post Number: 7300
Registered: May-04
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| Posted on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 05:49 pm: |
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You are confusing the function of the power transformer and the output transformers on tube gear, Nuck. While the power transformer functions as it would in any conventional audio amplifier (other than the need to supply up to 700 volts), the output transformers are the matching device between the high output impedance of the tubes (several Ohms in some cases) and the impedance load of the speakers.
While tubes generally prefer a stable impedance load (and so do solid state amps for that matter), the load doesn't require stability at a fixed impedance. If you'll read back through some of the archives to this thread, you'll see a discussion of how tapping the output transformers at other than the expected 4 or 8 Ohm load will alter, and further "tailor", the sound of the system.
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Gold Member Username: Nuck
Parkhill,
Ontario
Canada
Post Number: 1087
Registered: Dec-04
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| Posted on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 06:56 pm: |
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I have a bear of a time with links inside the forum, Jan, I was referring to a thread from and with Tim on tubes and impedence with reference to the Lings.
I have been following that route, as well as incoming power from yet another thread of yours.
Dang, I will sort it out, they all have been removed(multiple users).
I will re-find.
Given the oft-interpreted esoteric nature of some tubes, would a VERY stable power supply not be preferable to a standard circuit, understanding that ss amps often have balancing factors and discrete limitors built in? |
Gold Member Username: Jan_b_vigne
Dallas,
TX
Post Number: 7305
Registered: May-04
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| Posted on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 09:04 pm: |
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A "standard" circuit? What be a "standard circuit", Kimosabee?
Stability is virtually always a good thing in any electronic device. But, that little "ly" at the end of any word makes it a somewhat interpretive term. One of the bits of delight in a Dynaco ST-70 is the power supply's ability to swing for the fences. A very loosely regulated p.s. in the ST-70 means it can swing along with the music. Large dynamic busts, when not followed by another large dynamic burst, sound much larger than on many other amps due to the ability of the amp to overstate its cause for just a fraction of a second. Of course, when that second 30Hz organ sustain hits immediately after the first few drum whacks, the ST-70 can get caught with its trousers around its ankles. So, the first thing most modifiers do is build up the power supply. Changes the entire presentation of the amplifier. Some of the magic is lost for the technical ability. It's almost a game of three card monte with a ST-70 when it comes to modding the unit. Keep your eye on the magic.
Naturally, if you were asking me the question in reference to which amplifier you might purchase from me, I would always opt for the McIntosh route of massive over building at large expense. Nothing succeeds quite like excess.
However, the loosely regulated power supply is hardly to be found only in tube amplifiers. It is a mainstay of budget gear and can be designed to work well given certain restrictions. It just works a bit better with tubes since the amount of voltage swing when dealing with 500-700 volt plate voltages has a different effect than when dealing with millivolts into a solid state device. Additionally, tube amps are not current operated devices such as bipolar transistors are. Tubes operate primarily with voltage so the large amperage drains seen in transistor amplifiers are much more easily accomplished when dealing with voltage swings and with much less capacitance in the p.s.
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Gold Member Username: Jan_b_vigne
Dallas,
TX
Post Number: 7330
Registered: May-04
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| Posted on Saturday, January 28, 2006 - 01:02 pm: |
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I don't remember if I have posted this link before. If not, it should be on this thread. If so, it bears repeating for any new comers.
http://home.comcast.net/~enghenry/diy/taste.pdf#search='sonic%20t%20amplifier'
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Gold Member Username: Artk
Albany,
Oregon
USA
Post Number: 2684
Registered: Feb-05
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| Posted on Saturday, January 28, 2006 - 06:24 pm: |
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Interesting read. Particularly if you're new to tubes like I am. |
Gold Member Username: Nuck
Parkhill,
Ontario
Canada
Post Number: 1121
Registered: Dec-04
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| Posted on Sunday, January 29, 2006 - 08:56 am: |
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Thanks, Jan, that is a great link for another tube noob. |
Bronze Member Username: Darkmusic
Dover,
Delaware
Usa
Post Number: 21
Registered: Apr-05
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| Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 02:09 pm: |
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Hello People!
Have any of you used the RCA 12AT7 and/ or 12AXT grayplate tubes (nos)? If you have, what did you think of the sound compared to other tubes in the 12at7/12axt categories?
Thanks! |
Gold Member Username: Jan_b_vigne
Dallas,
TX
Post Number: 7397
Registered: May-04
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| Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 05:50 pm: |
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It depends on where you will use them in the piece of equipment. There are seldom any NOS tubes that are as quiet as a Telefunken. If you value that in your system, then the Telefunken should be your first choice. Otherwise, the NOS American tubes should usually be considered good examples of the type of frequency balance and big sound that Americans prefer.
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Gold Member Username: Artk
Albany,
Oregon
USA
Post Number: 2698
Registered: Feb-05
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| Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 08:51 pm: |
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Just back from Portland with my new Prima Luna and have been listening to it for 1/2 hr. Wow!! I'm sure this will not be my last stop along the tube road but oh my isn't a pleasant respite.
My first thoughts were oh goodness this certainly isn't as articulate as I'm used to. Then it struck me how utterly easy to listen it is. The sibilance that I have been on occasion bothered by just wasn't there. Moreover it really isn't that it it's not as articulate the sound is simply richer and fuller.
It appears as if I might be up late with a single malt and my favorite recordings. |
Gold Member Username: Rick_b
Orlando,
Florida
USA
Post Number: 1291
Registered: Dec-03
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| Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 09:05 pm: |
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Just smile and enjoy Art. It only gets better! |
Silver Member Username: My_rantz
Australia
Post Number: 212
Registered: Nov-05
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| Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 09:45 pm: |
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Yeah, it will probably take a single malt, Art - or ten.
You guys and your tubes - sheesh! You'll never get me! Me, I'm a modern man.
Glad you're back Rick.
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Silver Member Username: My_rantz
Australia
Post Number: 213
Registered: Nov-05
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| Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 09:47 pm: |
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Oh - and Art, congrats. Another room heater will be a benefit in your neck of the woods no doubt.
:-)
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Gold Member Username: Rick_b
Orlando,
Florida
USA
Post Number: 1292
Registered: Dec-03
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| Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2006 - 10:51 pm: |
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Thanks mate! |
Silver Member Username: Two_cents
Post Number: 680
Registered: Feb-04
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| Posted on Friday, February 03, 2006 - 03:42 am: |
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Art,
Congrats on your new amp. Give the P2 about 50 hours to start sounding its best. The sound will open up. Based on my own listening experience the P2 doesn't lack in articulateness. Enjoy spending time with your new baby. Maybe you should light a cigar for the occasion, to go along with your scotch. |
Gold Member Username: John_a
London
U.K.
Post Number: 3898
Registered: Dec-03
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| Posted on Friday, February 03, 2006 - 05:16 am: |
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Good to read, Art.
My first impression was of a lack of sibilance, too. But you can still hear the words. More clearly, in fact. I switched back to solid state for a while when my demo PL2 went back, and before the new one arrived. Pain. I'd really been listening to that all those years?
I recall you have the phono stage. I don't, and don't have my turntable at present. How does vinyl compare?
MR, "Modern man"? 'Strewth. No tubes, no vinyl, How very 20th century.... (Not wishing to incite audio intolerance etc., but "Sorry, no room in heaven, we've run out of NOS tubes"). |
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