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New member Username: Irisfailsafe
Bogota
Colombia
Post Number: 3
Registered: Jan-06
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| Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 02:06 pm: |
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I have a PowerMac with a DL DVD RW+ -
Can I burn DVDA or SACD and what program would I need to do so?
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Silver Member Username: Gman
Mt. Pleasant,
SC
Post Number: 779
Registered: Dec-03
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| Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2006 - 04:45 pm: |
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I don't know of any programs or devices (other than very expensive professional ones) that permit burning of DVD-A's or SACD's.
DVD-A discs almost always have built-in copy protection that forces a DVD-A player into a low-resolution down-sampling mode at the digital outputs. When the copy protection is activated, 16-bit, 48-kHz output is usually what results when playing 24-96, or 24-192 kHz material. This disc creation option was provided in response to the music industries demand to prohibit the unauthorized copying and sharing of a DVD-A disc - at its full resolution. Unfortunately, most producers of DVD-A discs have chosen to exercise this option.
It is even worse (if possible) for SACD.
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New member Username: Irisfailsafe
Bogota
Colombia
Post Number: 8
Registered: Jan-06
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| Posted on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 04:02 pm: |
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Bummer.
So what is the point of these discs?
Do they have a future with the blue ray discs? |
Silver Member Username: My_rantz
Australia
Post Number: 178
Registered: Nov-05
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| Posted on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 04:46 pm: |
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I read somewhere on this forum that DVD-A can be copied and so too, can the cd layer on Hybrid SACD's. How many DVD-A/SACD players do you own that you need to burn them - or do you have other motives :-)
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Silver Member Username: Gman
Mt. Pleasant,
SC
Post Number: 787
Registered: Dec-03
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| Posted on Friday, January 27, 2006 - 09:42 am: |
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I am leaning toward the view that HD and or Blu-Ray will take over the Hi-Rez music business. As we all know, it will hardly be the first time that a new technology will supercede an older one. Particularly when the older ones weren't that popular or used in the first place. I own a number of DVD-A's and SACD discs, but it is rather apparent that neither has had much traction in the marketplace.
While I don't plan on getting rid of my universal dvd player, I am definitely taking a vacation on purchasing new multichannel discs (unless I see something I must have) until I see where the future takes us in Hi-Rez music discs. |
Silver Member Username: Sem
New York
USA
Post Number: 544
Registered: Mar-04
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| Posted on Friday, January 27, 2006 - 10:51 am: |
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Gregory,
I certainly understand where you're coming from. I own an inexpensive SACD/DVD-A combo player for exactly the same reason. But since I do own it, I'm going to keep picking up discs because I think it'll take some time for the technology to get a foot-hold. I'm not sure just when affordable players (that's subjective, I know), will become available and how long it will take for enough discs to also become available to make the leap worth while. Until then, I am going to keep picking up discs of interest. |
Silver Member Username: My_rantz
Australia
Post Number: 182
Registered: Nov-05
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| Posted on Friday, January 27, 2006 - 02:54 pm: |
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Same here Sem, there has been no talk of hi-rez music on Blu-Ray and HD except for movie sountracks though I suspect music recording will follow. Although the stores don't seem to be stocking much hi-rez stuff, it is a niche market for enthusiasts and the number of titles is still growing and can easily be sourced on-line. So I think it will be a matter of years yet until Blu-Ray and HD will be in my home. |
Silver Member Username: Arnold_layne
Madrid
Spain
Post Number: 440
Registered: Jun-04
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| Posted on Friday, January 27, 2006 - 05:26 pm: |
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DVD-A was finally cracked last summer, a russian guy developed a "fix" for tapping WinDVD. It came out on the web but was fiercefully pursued and eventually disappeared. I got hold of it but never tried. Frankly speaking, I prefer supporting the format by buying an album now and then.
There is an inexpensive program for burning DVD-A at http://www.cirlinca.com . I fooled around with the trial version and CDA files. Didn't work that well, I guess the upsampling algoritm is crappy in this program. It is maybe possible to create better wav files with Nero 7, which handles 5.1 editing at 96KHz. Still, you won't be able to MLP compress.
Cheers
AL
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Silver Member Username: Arnold_layne
Madrid
Spain
Post Number: 442
Registered: Jun-04
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| Posted on Friday, January 27, 2006 - 05:27 pm: |
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DVD-A was finally cracked last summer, a russian guy developed a "fix" for tapping WinDVD. It came out on the web but was fiercefully pursued and eventually disappeared. I got hold of it but never tried. Frankly speaking, I prefer supporting the format by buying an album now and then.
There is an inexpensive program for burning DVD-A at http://www.cirlinca.com . I fooled around with the trial version and CDA files. Didn't work that well, I guess the upsampling algoritm is crappy in this program. It is maybe possible to create better wav files with Nero 7, which handles 5.1 editing. Still, you won't be able to MLP compress.
Cheers
AL
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Gold Member Username: John_a
London
U.K.
Post Number: 3893
Registered: Dec-03
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| Posted on Sunday, January 29, 2006 - 07:34 am: |
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I found Apple DiskTools made an image of a couple of DVD-As, which I could then burn onto blank DVD-R discs. This worked for double-sided discs with DVD-A and DVD-V on each side, also for a mixed disc with the two formats on the same side. The original DVD-A format was not copy protected. CCPM protection was slapped on later, I think. I don't think the original DVD-A had to be "cracked".
But, as Arnold says, isn't it better to own the professionally-produced complete package, and support the performers and recording company? Also, there ought to be economies of scale in a commercial production. |
Silver Member Username: Arnold_layne
Madrid
Spain
Post Number: 443
Registered: Jun-04
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| Posted on Friday, February 03, 2006 - 07:03 pm: |
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That's true John, pure DVD-A is about AOB (audio object) files instead of VOB files. Most softwares are video-oriented softwares, and does not recognize the audio files. But it is not about cracking, the issue is to include DVD-A reading/writing or not as a feature. Here's a link to a freeware project:
http://dvd-audio.sourceforge.net/
Then again, most DVD-A albums are compressed with MLP to reduce file size. This is prorietary technology, and to use it at convenience is a more delicate matter. On top of this comes outright copy protection, i.e. CPPM and I believe there is also watermarking (systematic imperfections). There is even a scheme on protected/non-protected versus commercial/home-made discs. Consumer DVD-A players might prevent usage in some of the available cases.
Cheers
AL
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Bronze Member Username: Dobyblue
St. Catharines,
Ontario
Canada
Post Number: 33
Registered: Oct-05
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| Posted on Monday, February 13, 2006 - 12:43 pm: |
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I support the format by buying the discs too, although it wouldn't appear that the music industry is supporting it too much!!!
*bashes head against wall*
You know what bothers me most is all the titles on DualDisc with an "Enhanced Stereo" track - which means it's encoded as a 16-bit 48Hz file instead of 16-bit 44.1Hz. Big freaking deal!!!
This is a total waste of the medium. Sure it's great to have a 10 minute "making of the album" featurette or something, but how many times are you going to watch that? I would suggest more often you'll be listening to the music. That's why it bugs me that they can't put a 24-bit 48/96/192Hz stereo 48/96 5.1 Advanced Resolution track on it.
You want the format to do well yet the record labels seem to be completely clueless as how to go about it. The record buying public that only has a DVD-Video player will not buy the disc because they think the disc will be ruined (which it won't unless you're foolish enough to actually PLAY the CD side of the disc) meanwhile the DVD-Audio/SACD fanatics are mostly in the know and realise that an "Enhanced Stereo" track is a lod of rubbish.
I'll be buying the Flecktones new disc on CD as my own little personal protest.
As for burning there are quite a few programs. I used DVD-Audio Solo which worked very well. I don't care to rip anything, but I do download a lot of live concerts from bands who allow their shows to be taped (Dead, Dave Matthews Band, Phish, etc.) and quite a few of the tapers are now recording shows in 24-bit and releasing a copy of it in that format for people to torrent it. |
Bronze Member Username: Irisfailsafe
Bogota
Colombia
Post Number: 11
Registered: Jan-06
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| Posted on Monday, February 13, 2006 - 04:48 pm: |
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I just checked that toaster allows to burn DVD's as either OB (audio object) or VOB files. Does this means something.
As for why, I wanted to see if it was possible to create some 96Khz of the sound for an animation... |
Silver Member Username: Arnold_layne
Madrid
Spain
Post Number: 445
Registered: Jun-04
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| Posted on Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 08:32 pm: |
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AOB is crucial, this is the DVD-A file format. But you need a software that can read/write those files.
Cheers
AL |
Gold Member Username: John_a
London
U.K.
Post Number: 3919
Registered: Dec-03
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| Posted on Friday, February 17, 2006 - 03:16 pm: |
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Thank you for the Sourceforge link, Arnold. I am a fan. I did not know they dealt with audio, too. Recommended.
Steven; "I support the format by buying the discs too, although it wouldn't appear that the music industry is supporting it too much!!! "
Agreed, I enthusiastically endorsed DVD-A on this site, but the disks are disappearing from the shelves. Not so, SACD. If only Sony had not set up a rival format, we'd all have hi-res digital audio by now. DVD-A is really just hi-resolution CD, with a multichannel option. Sony really should have supported DVD-A; it was built on their previous success. |
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| Posted on Tuesday, March 07, 2006 - 03:20 pm: |
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I am not sure if HD-DVD and Blu-Ray will appeal to the masses for Hi-Rez Audio. Psycologiclaly they are VIDEO discs. I prefer the SACD for Hi-Rez. It is the only DSD format existing. Sadly, formats do not live/die based on audiophile's choice - but based on choice of the masses. |
