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Silver Member Username: Tpizzle
Post Number: 347
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| Posted on Thursday, September 08, 2005 - 11:24 pm: |
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as you all know i am in the midst of buying a system (but ive held off asking questions for a few days). i was just wondering the importance of floor speakers. with a ht/music surround system, will 4 bookshelfs (say athena as-b1 or infinity primus) easily fill a small/midsized room with sound or is it recommended that most systems have a pair of tower speakers. typically speaking, is it worth spending the extra $100 to upgrade from bookshelf fronts to towers? thanks for the help |
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Gold Member Username: Jan_b_vigne
Dallas,
TX
Post Number: 5551
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| Posted on Friday, September 09, 2005 - 12:13 am: |
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No. |
Silver Member Username: Tpizzle
Post Number: 348
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| Posted on Friday, September 09, 2005 - 12:35 am: |
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no meaning its not worth the extra money? generally do bookshelfs produce as efficient and loud of a sound as towers? |
Silver Member Username: Tpizzle
Post Number: 349
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| Posted on Friday, September 09, 2005 - 01:18 am: |
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also is there any way to get low frequency production from bookshelfs. i noticed most (such as athena as-b1) only get as low as 50hz. are towers the only way to get those low frequencies? |
Gold Member Username: Project6
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| Posted on Friday, September 09, 2005 - 07:15 am: |
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look at the specs and you will find out if they at least respond to the frequency that you are looking for. Or you can actually just listen to them yourself and determine if you like it or not.
How long has it been since you've been asking question about speakers? Are you ever going to decide and actually just purchase thme and enjoy yourself? You are jsut driving yourself crazy with all these endless research t hat lead you no where but to more questions. |
Gold Member Username: Dmwiley
Post Number: 1034
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| Posted on Friday, September 09, 2005 - 07:52 am: |
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There are bookshelves and there are bookshelves. Some are outstanding, others crap. Berny has good advice. Look at your budget and trust your ears. In general, inexpensive bookshelves can be very disappointing compared to inexpensive floor models. But there are many variables. |
Gold Member Username: Paul_ohstbucks
Post Number: 2347
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| Posted on Friday, September 09, 2005 - 11:10 am: |
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db,
It depends what you will demand from your system. Coupled with a quality sub, bookshelf speakers will be 'good enough' for some, but not for others.
With all things being equal, a bigger speaker is capable of producing bigger output. Whether or not you require that bigger output, is soley up to you. |
Gold Member Username: Jan_b_vigne
Dallas,
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| Posted on Friday, September 09, 2005 - 12:31 pm: |
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How perspicacious, Paul. |
Gold Member Username: Paul_ohstbucks
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| Posted on Friday, September 09, 2005 - 01:37 pm: |
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thank you |
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Gold Member Username: Jan_b_vigne
Dallas,
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Post Number: 5584
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| Posted on Friday, September 09, 2005 - 01:50 pm: |
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Oh, no, thank you! |
Silver Member Username: T_bomb25
Dayton,
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| Posted on Friday, September 09, 2005 - 02:42 pm: |
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Hey whats going on here!! |
Silver Member Username: Danman
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| Posted on Friday, September 09, 2005 - 02:53 pm: |
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Looks like Paul actually commented on something and made sense! However, not sure if he knows what "perspicacious" means! |
Silver Member Username: Audioholic
Post Number: 130
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| Posted on Saturday, September 10, 2005 - 07:18 am: |
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I agree with Jan.......NO! |
Bronze Member Username: Blasterman
Post Number: 19
Registered: Mar-05
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| Posted on Saturday, September 10, 2005 - 01:14 pm: |
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--typically speaking, is it worth spending the extra $100 to upgrade from bookshelf fronts to towers?--
The answer to that is *usually* 'yes', and the only proof I need is for you to go and listen to the larger Athenas side by side for yourself. I've heard the larger Athenas, and they are great speakers. One of the best bargains in their price range.
A larger speaker generally means 'larger' sound, with better dynamics all around. I've owned over half a dozen book-shelf sized two ways in my life ranging from Legacy to B&W, and frankly had harder time telling them apart than appreciating them. They all had one thing in common; their larger counterparts sounded MUCH better.
Conventional 'strip-mall' logic is to buy small speakers and just add subwoofer to fill in the low end, however a sub will never integrate as well with a smaller speaker as a larger tower built by that same manufacturer. If you're tight on space and can't 'afford the floor' for a pair of bigger towers, well, then you have to work within your limits. However, if you have the option of getting the bigger Athena towers, I strongly suggest it.
Why '4' speakers may I ask? |
Gold Member Username: Jan_b_vigne
Dallas,
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| Posted on Saturday, September 10, 2005 - 04:36 pm: |
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We're talking a surround system. That normally requires at least four speakers. How would you do it in non strip mall logic?
While I'm not a fan of most subwoofers, your statement concerning small bookshelves mating less well compared to a large speaker designed by the same company seems a bit too broad to make as an overall judgement of speakers. A stand mounted design takes up about the same footprint as a floorstander so there's really no advantage to the floorstander or the small speaker there. Given a decent design with the same sensitivity between the two designs, they will both reach pretty much the same SPL with the same amount of dynamic range. Assuming, that is, you are not dead set on bringing down the walls with sound pressure levels. However, which would you rather have reproducing the vocal range. A small, light 5" driver or a larger, say 10", heavier and slower driver? If the speakers are two way designs, the XO is going to be at about 2500Hz no matter which you buy. If the small speaker gets down to about 45Hz, as most will, you have covered the area where most 97% of the music will occur. Your question revolves around whether you want a sub or not. With a sub in the system, it is the larger driver in the floorstander that will be covering the midrange. I don't find that appealing in most cases. Dispersion from the larger driver begins to narrow above 1200Hz and the switch to the smaller tweeter is often more obvious.
I think if you want the best answer it is - as it always is - go listen for yourself to whatever models you are considering and then make up your own mind. No matter which way you go there will be advantages and disadvantages. It's the buyer's job to decide what they want and what they are willing to trade off; not those of us on a forum. We made our decision and each of us probably chose a little different than the other.
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Bronze Member Username: Blasterman
Post Number: 21
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| Posted on Sunday, September 11, 2005 - 12:49 am: |
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That normally requires at least four speakers. How would you do it in non strip mall logic?
Four speakers to me sounds like two mains and two rears. In order of priority for surround sound: I'd rather have two mains and a good quality center to differentiate dialogue for HT before adding on the surrounds later. That, according to my math, comes to *three* speakers and not four, unless the poster is doing a split front center, which I doubt. Unless you are advocating two mains and two rears and deal with muddy and incoherent dialogue that a quasi DSP mode might/or might render tolerable for movies. I'd rather have a good center first and add the rears later.
your statement concerning small bookshelves mating less well compared to a large speaker designed by the same company seems a bit too broad
In the past 10 years I've had discussions in person with engineers from NHT, Legacy , B&W, Velodyne and a host of others on this very topic (I'm fortunate to have a few friends that own high end Audio shops and our cocktail parties are legend). *All* agreed with my apathy towards cookie cutter 2-way designs and preferred large standing towers in their living room.Oddly, the engineer from Velodyne felt the most distaste for the conventional book shelf two-way he described as 'sonically cliche', but kept him gainfully employed.
Given a decent design with the same sensitivity between the two designs, they will both reach pretty much the same SPL with the same amount of dynamic range
In an anechoic room with linear frequency sweeps. Big deal, and irrelevant. Only a moron thinks a 6" driver can produce sound frequencies below 100hz with as much efficiency as much larger driver without making a compromise somewhere. If I took this seriously, I'd be believing that a really good crossover design can violate the laws of physics and create energy from no where. Might be another reason the Chineses are building speakers with inrceasing quality without an increase in electronics complexity.
Lets cut to the chase in that most defenders of two way speakers are an@l retentive audiophile types who's mainstay consist of chamber music and light jazz, and sitting perched like a stupid bird in the sweet spot of their speakers. Damn things don't sound good if you are sitting any place else because they have to be super directional to keep above 85db efficiency and fall off like a shot duck off axis. Most casual audio and HT listeners aren't going to squat in one spot on the couch and squint to hear how good the imaging on various recordings is. If I wanted to do that I'd do it right and invest in a pair of good headphones. This nulls the two ways are less commplex than three ways and hence have better sound arguement before it gets uttered.
However, which would you rather have reproducing the vocal range. A small, light 5" driver or a larger, say 10", heavier and slower driver?
I'd rather have the 5" driver optimized entirely to integrate smoothly with the tweeter and produce as clean a transition as possible in the very audible 2-3kz range -vs- also having to produce high energy bass below 150 cycles which it's not designed to do regardless of your over-hyped crossver. The only way to get really good bass extension from a 6" driver is to either use a large Xmax, which impedes it's ability to simultaneously produce coherent higher frequency sound, or put it in a big box, align it accordingly, and rely on 'box gain' to fill in the sub 100hz roll-off. Try putting a 6" driver in an open baffle array and see how much bass it produces without the aid of 20lbs of MDF compared to a 10 or 12". Oh yeah, make sure you put the ports on the rear of your glorious two way to get as much reflective bass gain from the rear wall while making it a b!tch to place otherwise. This is another aspect of most two ways that annoy me.
I'd much rather have a 3-way or 4-way with the midrange crossed over well above 150cycles, and a larger driver handling the low end like it's designed to. Most of the really good 3 and 4 way designs have a much higher low crossover point than my 150hz example (usually 300-900hz), and yet most subwoofer implementations rarely cross above 100hz. Gee, why is that?
Your question revolves around whether you want a sub or not<p>
Uh no, it's not. I've listened to most of the Athena line, and the bigger FS1's and 2's sound MUCH better than the smaller bookshelf's augmented with a sub. A sub is nothing more than a hack to get around what you should have bought in the first place.
2-way bookshelf speakers are like screaming brats at an amusement park; you can't get away from them, they are all over the place, and after awhile, they all sound the same. |
Gold Member Username: Paul_ohstbucks
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| Posted on Sunday, September 11, 2005 - 01:51 am: |
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Sam knows......
Jan??...well.....err......... He still doesnt get it.
HEH
Im sure his small speakers perform great for his chamber music needs, but when it comes to reproducing the impressive movie effects...well.....there will be much to be desired. |
Silver Member Username: Diablo
Fylde Coast, England
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| Posted on Sunday, September 11, 2005 - 05:39 am: |
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Any speaker choice for a system which has to serve for both home theatre and music will be a compromise of some sort.
The best solution for me was to use floorstanders as fronts. They replaced some big bookshelf types which were on stands. This has improved both the amount and quality of bass available. The quality improvement was noticable when doing comparative listening - very much cleaner and less strained. Not really a fair comparison because they cost several times the price of the bookshelves.
I have tried using a centre speaker several times over the years, but it isn't really worth it in my long thin (28 by 12 feet) listening room with the TV/speakers on one of the short walls. Using 'phantom' mode gives crisp and clear central dialogue.
I generally have the tone controls switched out for 'serious' music listening, though for the occasional 'action movie'and rock music I zoom up the bass control - this vibrates the floor sufficiently for my liking.
Seems a good compromise - but may only suit me. 
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Gold Member Username: Jan_b_vigne
Dallas,
TX
Post Number: 5619
Registered: May-04
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| Posted on Sunday, September 11, 2005 - 10:08 am: |
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Sam - You certainly have strong opinions. Be very careful on this forum when you have strong opinions. People will say you're arrogant. Particularly when you so gleefully declare anyone who disagrees with you to be @nal retentive and so on.
There's no reason to disagree with any of your assessments regarding the advantages of larger, more complex multiple driver speaker systems. As a whole, you are spot on with the benefits to be found in such designs.
However ...
To denigrate all compact two way designs as inadequate is first a disservice to the question asked and second missing the benefits of a compact two way design due to your myopia regarding the many crappy compact two way designs that are on the market. I find little purpose defending what we both see as mass market junk disguised as high end substitutes. Most speakers sold today have serious flaws. That is not the issue however.
The question that was asked was exactly this, "typically speaking, is it worth spending the extra $100 to upgrade from bookshelf fronts to towers?"
Now, while I agree there are numerous large floorstanding speakers that have performance capabilites well beyond the mortal compact two way designs typically found in this price range, what are we talking about in this thread? We are not discussing moving up to a speaker which sells for several times the price of what is being considered. We are talking about spending an additional $100. Apparently your myopia has clouded your reading ability.
What will $100 gain this person? It is unlikely it will get him better drivers. You simply can't put a better driver into a larger box and then expect to sell it at retail for an additional $100. In most cases, the additional $100 will get this person the exact same speakers and XO placed in a larger box. Period! There may be some nicer cabinet work or a small gain in efficiency, but that is unlikely to be worth the additional $100 when he is facing a budget. If there is an additional driver put in the $100 more expensive floorstander, how good do you think that speaker "system" will be for the additional cost at retail? Not very would be my assessment when I have no model numbers to judge specific products. If it remains a two way with a larger woofer, I would still recommend the smaller driver in the smaller box as the least bad of his choices.
So, Sam, take your little cat bird argument and reserve it for a question concerning Wilson Watts vs. whatever David Wilson is pushing for $45,000 today. Your argument, while worth considering in some instances, does not hold water in this particular case.
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Gold Member Username: Jan_b_vigne
Dallas,
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| Posted on Sunday, September 11, 2005 - 10:12 am: |
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As to four speakers in a surround format vs. three across the front. That is an argument that can only be answered by what two speakers ar in the front and what the placement restrictions are in this particular set up. Which we do not know. Personally, I would opt for putting more money into two front speakers only and getting something that doesn't rely on horrible DSP modes or a center for its ability to place images and dialog. Once again, that was not the question asked by the original post.
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Gold Member Username: Jan_b_vigne
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| Posted on Sunday, September 11, 2005 - 10:49 am: |
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Sam has obviously had the opportunity at these legendary cocktail perties to get the designers of high end products into a discussion of what they would like to design if everyone could afford to buy $??,000 loudspeakers. Like almost any of us, these designers would rather be deisgning, just as we might rather be listening to, expensive well made statements products. Unfortunately most of us are left with the "sonically cliche'd" speakers that real world people are given by these manufacturers.
I, for one, find the attitude they are selling us "sonically cliche'd" products a bit insulting. Please, gentlemen, if that is your attitude, do like David Wilson or Enso Ferrari. Sell your statement products only to those fortunate enough to afford them and leave the rest of the market to those designers who really want to design something that is not a cliche.
Whatever.
Out of curiosity; does anyone know of a speaker line where stepping up $100 per pair for a floorstanding speaker over a smaller stand mount design actually gives you a real world performance increase? Not just a few Hz in the bass (that you probably won't notice); but a real world difference in performance. A greater quantity of bass is not what I consider a real performance improvement if it is achieved merely by placing the same driver in a larger box.
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Gold Member Username: Jan_b_vigne
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| Posted on Sunday, September 11, 2005 - 10:50 am: |
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p - How many times do I have to tell you? I do not care about "impressive movie effects". I do not want my system to "impress" me. I just want my system to reproduce music. OK? |
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| Posted on Sunday, September 11, 2005 - 11:01 am: |
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As a matter of interest I stepped back from $Au2000 towers to $Au1200 standmounts for superior musical benefits. Lovely timber veener finish lost out to lovely vinyl veneer but what the heck - looks or music?
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Gold Member Username: Jan_b_vigne
Dallas,
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| Posted on Sunday, September 11, 2005 - 11:33 am: |
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Hey, p, before you go thinking you and sam are soul mates; why don't you ask him what he thinks of Cerwin Vega's large speakers? I don't think he had those in mind when he gave his answer.
And, sam, do you think the original question had anything to do with open baffle designs?
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Gold Member Username: Jan_b_vigne
Dallas,
TX
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| Posted on Sunday, September 11, 2005 - 11:42 am: |
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Now, this is getting frustrating! I can't seem to find any information on the Athenas speakers sam mentioned. I've never heard these speakers. Does anyone have a link to information regarding these two speakers?
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Silver Member Username: Diablo
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| Posted on Sunday, September 11, 2005 - 12:01 pm: |
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I've never heard Athena AS-F1s or any other Athenas either, but they seem to get good reviews, certainly at their price-point.
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Gold Member Username: Jan_b_vigne
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| Posted on Sunday, September 11, 2005 - 02:31 pm: |
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Thanks, diablo. So we're discusing two floor standing speakers here; not a stand mount against a floor moddel? And the difference I see is an additional woofer in the FS2.2. We are still talking essentially two way speakers. Not the three or four way designs sam prefers? I can't find a price. Does anyone know what the retail price difference is?
From the FS1.2's page:
"The AS-F1.2 is engineered specifically to provide deep authoritative bass response in a two-way floorstanding design, at the best possible price. The 8” (20cm) woofer platform assures high power handling, working in tandem with the enclosure’s air volume for deep, true bass response. Imaging is superb due to its two-way design ... "
From the FS2.2's page:
"The AS-F2 is a remarkable achievement in terms of engineering. It combines the bass output and high sound pressure level output of pro audio speakers, with the refinement and sound quality of audiophile speakers, all at an extremely competitive price. Designing a quality speaker system isn’t difficult when the sky’s the limit for price (my emphasis), but given the aggressive goals of the athena team, the engineering staff had their hands full. They succeeded on all counts, and the result is a true full range speaker system with exceptional sound, and modern cosmetics."
The Athena folks seem quite happy with both speakers. Why, they even praise the imaging (due to its two way design, if you'll notice, sam) of the FS1.2 and the cosmetics of the FS2.2.
If we are to stay within the bounds of this question, though, shouldn't any comparison within the Athena line be bewteen something on the order of the BS1.2 and the FS1.2?
What's the difference in retail pricing there?
And, (would someone correct me if I'm wrong here) we are talking about the same tweeter in all three speakers (BS1.2' FS1.2 & FS2.2); is that correct? So above whatever the XO point is on the Athena speakers (I assume it's roughly the same XO to the tweeter on all Athena's?), we are talking the exact same speaker?
sam, help me out here.
Paul, you've been unusually erudite lately. Do you have any explanations?
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Silver Member Username: Tpizzle
Post Number: 350
Registered: Apr-05
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| Posted on Sunday, September 11, 2005 - 03:46 pm: |
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this is the original poster. i have been highly entertained reading all these replies and have now realized the truth behind opinions and listening preferences. i have not decided if i should go with 4 athena as-b1's, a center, and a subwoofer OR front tower speakers plus two rears and a center. i have no way of listening to products due to living in a small town so your input is very appriciated.
i would love to experience the sound and effects of a 20,000 dollar system but im on a budget and like any other college student, im not patient enough to wait until i have a high paying job.
so with regards to this thread issue, i am just asking if $400/pair floor speakers such as Athenas above will produce the bass of a HSU stf-2. i originally was going with 4 athena bookshelfs and a center + a HSU sub which == approximately $700.
BUT the sound of more expensive bookshelfs would be better quality compared to the bookshelfs, so if the AS-F1 or 2's can produce the bass of the HSU than i will certainly rather spend $700 on floor speakers and two bookshelfs+ a center.
Can a 90watt/channel receiver such as the new Yamaha rx-v657 power floor speakers enough or would i have to buy an extra amp? |
Silver Member Username: Stu_pitt
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| Posted on Sunday, September 11, 2005 - 05:50 pm: |
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db -
I don't think any non-powered floorstander within your or 99% of our budgets will reach the bass of the HSU sub. If you want the towers because you think they'll put out just as much deep and quality bass as the HSU, you're not going to be very happy with your purchase.
The towers might be able to produce bass that is deep and clean enough for your tastes, but only you could answer that one. It will never compete with the HSU sub, and will never even try to. If you personally asked the Athen design team, I'm sure they would say the same thing.
Can you return this stuff if you don't like it? To save a few bucks you may want to think about buying the towers and see how they fit into your needs. If you need more bass, you could either return them and get the bookshelves and sub, or keep them and add the sub down the road when you've got a few more dollars.
As far as the 90 watt Yamaha... If the impedence of the speakers is within the Yammie's impedence range, I don't think their should be too many problems. Rather than focusing soley on watts, check the nominal and minimum impedence, and sensitivity of the speakers, and see if the receiver can handle that load. Higher sensitivity in a speaker means that it doesn't need as much power to create sound. |
New member Username: Uncle_fester
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| Posted on Sunday, September 11, 2005 - 06:55 pm: |
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> so if the AS-F1 or 2's can produce the bass of the HSU
They can't. That's not what they are meant to do, they are mainly for music, see.
HSUs are built for for the people who want their bottoms vibrating when watching ghastly movies or listening to Spinal Tap CDs.
As you are a youngster, that is almost excusable.
Go for the bookshelf speakers and the sub.   |
Silver Member Username: Tpizzle
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| Posted on Sunday, September 11, 2005 - 09:29 pm: |
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ya im a bass addict. ill go with the bookshelfs and hsu. thanks guys
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Silver Member Username: Tpizzle
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| Posted on Sunday, September 11, 2005 - 09:47 pm: |
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i just was reading up on a new thread where the guy wanted to get the athenas for his yamaha rx-v596. edster mentioned this would cause for a bright and harsh sound and recommended a warmer speaker.
i am going with the version up yamaha rx-v657. i has been getting incredible reviews.
will the athenas with this receiver cause the same sound or will my setup work well? |
Gold Member Username: Jan_b_vigne
Dallas,
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| Posted on Sunday, September 11, 2005 - 09:54 pm: |
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Uh, haven't you learned anything about opinions? |
Silver Member Username: Tpizzle
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| Posted on Sunday, September 11, 2005 - 10:07 pm: |
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im a hypocrite. is it the athena speakers or the yamaha receivers that tend to be harsh? i heard the old yamahas did but the new ones have been doindg really well (better than say denon) in reviews |
Gold Member Username: Jan_b_vigne
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| Posted on Sunday, September 11, 2005 - 11:58 pm: |
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Yamaha has also been spending more money on advertising than Denon. Well, Denon did have that whole series of ads in "Squirrel Nuts Monthly". But that doesn't really count. They got good rates.
Seriously, if you don't know what a reviewer's prejudices are, you cannot judge whether what they say has any bearing on the course of the planets across the autumnal sky. In other words, if you don't know what a reviewer likes and dislikes and you've heard the same and agree; you cannot let a review make any difference in your opinion. Whether you live in a remote area or not, judge the products by what you hear and not by what you read.
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Gold Member Username: Jan_b_vigne
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| Posted on Monday, September 12, 2005 - 12:00 am: |
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And just for anyone wondering - I already let my subscription to "Squirrel Nuts Monthly" run out. It was one of those magazines that was very repetitive.
Unlike the audio magazines, of course.
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Gold Member Username: Project6
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| Posted on Monday, September 12, 2005 - 06:11 am: |
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No db-bass you are not a hypocrite, more like confused and indecisive. You do not know what you want and your mind keeps changing with the minutes. Granted that you are not near anything that will allow you to actually listen to any of these equipment, you would still be hard pressed to make a decision. |
Silver Member Username: T_bomb25
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Ohio
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| Posted on Monday, September 12, 2005 - 02:45 pm: |
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The bottom line at some point DB you are gonna have to go listen for self.You can use reviews for a starting point so you can find out whats out there on the market,but thats it,you must go listen or youll be asking questions for months without a purchase. |
Gold Member Username: Paul_ohstbucks
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| Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 - 01:39 am: |
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The bottom line is that if you want petite sound, then buy petite little speakers. |
Silver Member Username: T_bomb25
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| Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 - 02:51 am: |
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Or if he wants bad sound he can buy CVs like you. |
Gold Member Username: Jan_b_vigne
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| Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 - 08:59 am: |
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p - You were doing so well. And now this. I'm so disappointed. |
Silver Member Username: Jimvm
Louisiana
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| Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 - 04:40 pm: |
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"In my opinion, depending on what the speakers are and what subwoofer is being used, it's quite possible to build a spectacular home-theater system around floorstanders OR BOOKSHELF SPEAKERS." (emphasis mine) Doug Schneider, SoundStage magazine.
Now tell me db-bass, whose opinion carries more weight -- Mr. Doug Schneider, a respected professional audio reviewer or Mr. Paul Money, a rank amateur who obviously suffers from an inferiority complex. |
Gold Member Username: Paul_ohstbucks
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| Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 - 05:13 pm: |
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It's nice to see the classy posters here have resorted to throwing personal insults.
I may insult tiny halfpint speakers and their 'lack' of performance.................
but never the owners who throw their money away when they buy them. |
Silver Member Username: Jimvm
Louisiana
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Registered: Apr-05
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| Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 - 06:27 pm: |
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What?!!! You're only insulting speakers? Give me a break!!
What a hypocrite you are! Virtually every one of your posts is an oblique, underhanded insult to anyone who happens to choose bookshelf speakers for home theater. Your insults are worse because they are insidious -- carefully formulated to intentionally insult members of this forum at every opportunity while hiding behind, "I'm only talking about the speakers." Your comments and smart-a s s remarks are of the ilk that anyone with any manners would not make, particularly in light of the fact that many members have asked you to stop making them. But no, you continue in your troll-like fashion to criticize members' choice of speakers. Your insulting comments border on obsessive-compulsive. You unrelentingly beat your chest and yell, "I'm a real man because I have big speakers." Do yourself a favor -- grow up or get some professional counseling. |
Gold Member Username: Paul_ohstbucks
Post Number: 2371
Registered: Jan-05
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| Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 - 06:36 pm: |
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I never make comments or statements about individuals.
I've said that worthless halfpint sized speakers should never be the focal point of a HT.
How you construe a general statement of that nature into a personal insult is your own problem. |
Gold Member Username: Dmwiley
Post Number: 1068
Registered: Feb-05
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| Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 - 06:46 pm: |
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Paul is right. Small speakers=small sound. Now that sound may be pleasing to the ear, especially if it is coming from the upper echelon of bookshelves. But the comparable floor standers will almost always literally and figuratively blow them away. I don't always agree with Paul (as a matter of fact, I don't always agree with anyone). But when he's right, he's right. Don't like it, lump it.< |
