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Gold Member Username: Petergalbraith
Rimouski,
Quebec
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| Posted on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 04:56 pm: |
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Looking for a good sounding CD player under C$500. The contenders are:
NAD C521BEE (C$450)
http://www.nadelectronics.com/cd_players/C521BEE_framset.htm
Cambridge Audio Azur 540C (C$490)
http://www.cambridgeaudio.com/summary.php?PID=15&Title=Azur+540C
Other suggestions?
The question is which sounds best?
And do they sound substantially better than a cheap DVD player playing CDs such as an inexpensive universal player that can switch off video circuitry:
Yamaha DVD-S657 (C$250)
http://www.yamaha.co.jp/english/product/av/products/ht/dvds657.html
Yamaha DVD-S1500 (C$600)
http://www.yamaha.com/yec/products/DVD_CD/DVDS1500.htm
or even one that doesn't switch off video circuits:
Pioneer DV-588A-S for C$150
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Gold Member Username: Artk
Albany,
Oregon
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| Posted on Tuesday, August 23, 2005 - 09:29 pm: |
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Hi Peter,
I did some research at Stereotypes in Portland (an NAD and Cambridge dealer) today. The NAD and Cambridge have about equal sond quality. The NAD is a little warmer and more musical and the Cambridge a bit more detailed and clinical. Again it really matters what your preferences are and what equipment will be used with it. Teri and I both agreed that with your speakers and receiver the NAD would most likely be your best bet. It's a bit more forgiving of poor recordings and would likely groove nicely with your Klipsch speakers. If you are looking to spend a just a bit more the Cambridge Audio Azur 540D gives outstanding DVD-A, DVD, and CD performance. It is the first DVD player that I have heard that is comparable to the NAD C542 for redbook playback. In my opinion it still comes up a bit shy, but not much. |
Gold Member Username: Petergalbraith
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| Posted on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 - 12:41 am: |
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Thanks Art!
Feels like having a personnal shopper!
The interesting thing is that the Azur 540D appears to be the same price as the Azur 540C in Canada (C$490). So If I get as good or better CD playback, plus DVD and DVD-A, then that seems a good deal! I still couldn't use SACD but I could investigate high-res with DVD-A and that has an appeal to it.
(See http://audioshop.on.ca/cambridgedigital.htm for Canadian prices)
For comparison a NAD C542 is C$700! It does do HDCD and I have a few Holly Cole CDs that are HDCD. She's a great jazz vocalist; check her out at http://www.hollycole.com/multimedia.html
The only downside is I think I get NAD cheaper than Cambridge Audio. The store that sells NAD is about to move and have a big sale, and my credit card has a bonus points system that I can cash in at that store too.
I'll have some thinking to do!
Thanks!
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Gold Member Username: Petergalbraith
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| Posted on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 - 10:37 am: |
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About the 540D DVD player from:
http://www.hometheatersound.com/equipment/cambridge_audio_azur_540d.htm
The Azur 540D was also a surprisingly capable CD player. Most budget DVD players sound somewhat lean, and those whose sounds do have some weight and body often obscure bass and end up sounding thick or muddy. But the 540D carried the clear sound and tight bass it had produced from movie soundtracks over to its CD sound. Jennifer Warnes’ The Hunter [CD, Attic ACD 1344], which can sound boomy on some systems, sounded fast and responsive with the 540D. Although the Cambridge didn’t totally plumb the depths, the bass on "Rock You Gently" and "Way Down Deep" was rich and full without sounding bloated. The more sedate "Lights of Lousianne" was sweet and ethereal, but the strings still had a great deal of presence and weight.
That's good!
The receiver needs a little more technical background since he says:
The audio processing includes support for DVD-Audio and built-in decoding for Dolby Digital, but not DTS. DTS signals can still be passed via the digital output for external decoding by a receiver or processor, but the Azur 540D will not provide any signal from its analog outputs from DTS discs.
and later:
The final dogfight from the remastered DTS soundtrack of Top Gun was full of the roar of jet engines, but the 540D was also able to deftly reproduce the somewhat cheesy-sounding background music as well. At certain points in this scene, the synthesizer riffs in the rear channels were amazingly clear.
And it's the receiver doing the decoding... This doesn't in any way compromise the rest of the review. |
Gold Member Username: Rick_b
New York
USA
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| Posted on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 - 07:33 pm: |
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Hi Art & Peter,
I own and have used an Azur 540D in my home theater system for over a year. In that time it has performed flawlessly. I think at it's price point it is a true bargain in todays market. It's CD performance is as good as any $500 player out there, but cannot match the performance of a dedicated high end CD player, such as the CAL I use in my music only system. Anyone looking at DVD players should give the Cambridge 540D an audition. Cheers! |
Gold Member Username: Petergalbraith
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| Posted on Wednesday, August 24, 2005 - 10:05 pm: |
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Thanks Rick. Do you mean that it sounds as good as a dedicated CD player costing $500? Or any $500 DVD player?
If the former, then I like that! I don't want to spend $1000 on one now... |
Gold Member Username: Rick_b
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| Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 06:27 am: |
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Peter,
Sorry for the confusion. For a combo player I think it does CD very well. It will hang with most $500 and under dedicated players. However I have always felt that a dedicated CD player will outperform a combo player of the same price. If music is most important(redbook CD), then I would consider the 640C. Very nice at $500. |
Gold Member Username: Petergalbraith
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| Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 12:36 pm: |
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Okay.
I really need to listen to a CD player in-house. |
Gold Member Username: Rick_b
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| Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 12:55 pm: |
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Well said. Have fun! |
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Gold Member Username: Petergalbraith
Rimouski,
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| Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 - 01:58 pm: |
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I have a lead on a used Rotel RCD-02 (for about the price of a new NAD C521BEE). Comments on that?
I'd have to buy it without any home testing... |
Silver Member Username: T_bomb25
Dayton,
Ohio
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| Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 - 03:02 pm: |
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The RCD-o2 is a much better cd player than the 521,I would check out the Onix xcd88 it is essentially a music hall cd25 for half of the price thru www.av123.com to my ears it is better than the the RCD-02 and the 542 and it is the most upgradeble out of all those CD players,its ton of upgrades for them and its going for $299 and it is $600 thru music hall,it is actually a Shandling,the best deal you can get in a cd player and then later on you have the luxury of making it rival some really highend players with all the Cap upgrades they have for it. |
Gold Member Username: Petergalbraith
Rimouski,
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| Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 - 03:39 pm: |
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Thanks Tawaun,
The Onix looks interesting. I'd have to order it into Canada and pay duties, brokerage fees and 15% tax. Still worth it compared to a US$390 slightly used Rotel RCD-02 ?
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Gold Member Username: Edster922
Abubala,
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| Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 - 04:12 pm: |
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Peter you can get a B-stock xcd-88 for $250 from them, that should help offset all the duties etc. |
Gold Member Username: Petergalbraith
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| Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 - 07:22 pm: |
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Is that an endorsement Edster?
:-)
The B-stock listed on their web site has a defect:
"NOTE! This player does not sit perfectly flat (the chassis is torqued slightly)."
So... between the new Onix and the used Rotal RCD-02? Who votes Rotel? :-) |
Gold Member Username: Edster922
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| Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 - 07:37 pm: |
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no, it's an invitation for you to be an ecoustics guinea pig, like I will soon be with the Panny xr55! : )
I am plenty happy with the SQ I'll be getting with the Marantz cc4300 that's arriving tomorrow, $142 shipped.
Didn't read the defect description though...geez, that's kinda scary. |
Silver Member Username: T_bomb25
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Ohio
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| Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 - 07:49 pm: |
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Peter Onix has the new one to for $50 bucks more and yes I would rather have it than the Rotel a little warmer sounding and better slam in the bass. |
Gold Member Username: Petergalbraith
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| Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 - 08:41 pm: |
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To cover all the bases, there's a (2003) Pioneer Elite DV-45A universal player for US$250 on audiogon. Recommended?
Google turns up this favorable review:
http://www.hometheatersound.com/equipment/pioneer_elite_dv45a.htm
I'll admit that buying the used Rotel is less risky than the Onix (no tax, no shipping, no shipping damage, no UPS brokerage fees). |
Silver Member Username: T_bomb25
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Ohio
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| Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 - 09:00 pm: |
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You mean cheaper Peter,look shipping is shipping,its always a risk,but since all of your choices are mailorders then,go for the best sound and thats the xcd 88. |
Gold Member Username: Petergalbraith
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| Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 - 09:04 pm: |
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My choices so far, none of which I have heard...
Cambridge Audio Azur 540C (CD) C$490
Cambridge Audio Azur 540D (DVD, CD) C$490
NAD C521BEE (CD) C$450
NAD C542 (CD, HDCD) C$700
Onix xcd-88 (CD, HDCD) US$300 + shipping + brokerage
Rotel RCD-02 (CD, HDCD) $390 used (no taxes!)
Pioneer Elite DV-45A (DVD, CD, SACD, DVDA) C$325 used (no taxes!) |
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| Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 - 09:08 pm: |
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mr tawun what makes you such an expert on what the best sound is??? why not say "in my opinion" you are not the expert here and what makes you qualified? is there an industry that revolves around your huge ego? |
Silver Member Username: T_bomb25
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Ohio
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| Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 - 09:23 pm: |
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Look silly little Anon impersonator,we are not on here playing games if wanna play go play your X-box! |
Silver Member Username: T_bomb25
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| Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 - 09:29 pm: |
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Peter its hard to beleive the xcd-88 is cheaper than every one of those units in Canada Woah! that makes it a inceadible bargain! |
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| Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 - 09:35 pm: |
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did i bruise yo ego? you did not anwer the question. what makes you such a friggin'expert on what the best sound is? don't avoid it by throwing a tantrum. |
Silver Member Username: T_bomb25
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| Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 - 10:11 pm: |
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Because apparently im not like Paul im not gonna critisize any thing I havent heard.Every product that I comment on I have heard and most of it I have heard very extensively,so am a expert yes thats my job,do I know every single componant no knowone does,thats thousands and thousands of gear to listen to if I could hear everything I would and I will listen to as much as I can,have I listened to a lot of it yes,90% of what is brought up on this board I have heard it,so does that answer your question? |
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| Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 - 10:25 pm: |
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is zat how yo lure little boys to your loft? by pretending to be something yur not lol |
Gold Member Username: Petergalbraith
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| Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 - 09:55 am: |
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Thanks Tawaun.
What I meant is that there's risk of damage shipping from the US using UPS, and returning a defective unit back to the US is still expensive because of custom issues.
The Rotel is sold used by a friend of a friend in Quebec City (200 miles away). That's too far to borrow and try for an evening, but I could pick it up durting my next visit there and not worry about shipping it.
With shipping, taxes and brokerage feees, the US$299 Onix could easily turn out to be C$530, so it's more expensive than the Rotel and the NAD C521BEE, and comparable to the Cambridge Audio Auzur 540C (or D).
I might be able to get a NAD on sale soon from the local store (no shipping), or perhaps a store demo at a discount, since the store that carries them will be moving soon. Plus, that store has a no-interest 36-month payment plan.
Wish I could audition these things. I have two audiophile neighbours. One says he barely tells the difference between his C$1200 Denon CD player and his DVD player playing CDs (don't know the models), and the other says I might get better sound than my inexpensive DVD player if I spent C$800 on a CD player. He's not even sure about that. |
Gold Member Username: Edster922
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| Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 - 10:50 am: |
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> the other says I might get better sound than my inexpensive DVD player if I spent C$800 on a CD player.
Peter I'll bet he has a Sony DVD player.
Good to hear about your two neighbors though, I was starting to think that there was something wrong with my hearing! : ) |
Gold Member Username: Petergalbraith
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| Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 - 10:59 am: |
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Good to hear about your two neighbors though, I was starting to think that there was something wrong with my hearing! : )
Meaning that you also don't detect much differences between units?
I don't know... You'd think my old C$300 DVD player might be as good as today's Pioneer US$100 unit, which you quickly eliminated!
If I had to judge from your shootout, I would have thought that any CD player from my list would be hard to differentiate from eachother but likely much better than what I have now. |
Gold Member Username: Edster922
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| Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 - 11:08 am: |
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Sony supposedly is the best sounding mass market CD and DVD maker, some people add Phillips to that list too.
I wouldn't say that ANY cheap DVD player will sound similar...that Pioneer certainly had a much harsher sound, and my $65 Panasonic DVD player doesn't do music too well either.
What I'd wager though is that a $120 Sony CD player (not the ES line like mine) probably is not real far behind from an "audiophile" CD player up to $500...subtle rather than dramatic differences. |
Gold Member Username: Petergalbraith
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| Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 - 01:34 pm: |
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I am plenty happy with the SQ I'll be getting with the Marantz cc4300 that's arriving tomorrow, $142 shipped.
Art's old unit?
How about the Marantz DV-6500 universal player? I hear it's C$700 here:
- 192 kHz/24-bit audio D/A converters
- Audio EX mode (video off)
- Bass Management for both SACD and DVD-A
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Gold Member Username: Edster922
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| Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 - 02:23 pm: |
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no I got it from accessories4less.com
don't know anything about the 6500, it seems a bit unnecessary for my needs since have no desire to start buying DVD-A/SACDs with their outrageous prices and crappy selection |
Gold Member Username: Petergalbraith
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| Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 - 03:42 pm: |
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If I'm reconsidering universal players, there's the Denon 1920 which has similar features than the Marantz DV-6500:
Pure Direct Mode lets you turn off the video circuits and front-panel display for improved audio clarity from all your music.
Burr-Brown DSD-1608, 24 bit, 192 kHz Audio DACs with discrete decoding of PCM and DSD audio signals. |
Gold Member Username: Artk
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Oregon
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| Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 - 03:50 pm: |
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I have the DV6400 (same as the DV6500) in my media storage room with my little 20 inch Toshiba TV. It used to be my main universal player until I bought the Denon DVD2910. The Denon trumps it in every way. The Marantz is a case of too little technology for too much money. If you were to find one at a really good price it might be worth it but I'd bet money to marbles that the new Denon DVD1920 would out perform it. |
Gold Member Username: Petergalbraith
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| Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 - 03:56 pm: |
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Thanks Art!
Any comments about the rest of the thread? For instance, the used Rotel RCD-02 for C$390 ?
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Gold Member Username: Thx_3417
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| Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 - 04:14 pm: |
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Peter,
When reading this from the top is was thinking “Denon” which model, well your guess is as good as mine.
But seeing I only use the two DVD players for CD leistering like the Pioneer DV-525 and the Sony DVP-S336 which sound fine, though a dedicated CD will be more choice.
Ashley
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Gold Member Username: Petergalbraith
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| Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 - 04:16 pm: |
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Hmmm. So add the Denon 2910 to the list as well...
A refurb from www.ecost.com would cost me:
Subtotal: C$515.91
Shipping: C$16.14
Handling: C$22.16
GST / HST: C$36.11
Total Price: C$590.32 (Equivalent to a local purchase of C$515 + taxes.)
It's about the same price as the Cambridge Audio Azur 540C (or D) and a tad more than a NAD C521BEE. Probably less than a Denon 1920 purchased locally (unknown price).
How old is the Denon 2910? Is it worth considering? It is listed at a MSRP of C$1170. |
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| Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 - 04:20 pm: |
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Peter,
Well I do like the “Yamaha” DVD-S1500 and the layout of the back that was sexy looking.
Ashley
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Gold Member Username: Petergalbraith
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| Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 - 08:02 pm: |
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Thanks Andy,
The S1500 was disqualified in another thread:
http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/1/156454.html
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It's a toss-up for me now between a universal DVD player such as the Denon 2910 or 1920 (which would you get?), or a dedicated CD player such as the used Rotel or perhaps the Onix. I wonder if the difference with these standalone CD players would be worth it.
In another forum, I'm told that there isn't much difference between all DVD and CD players for redbook before I get to CD players such as Cary, CEC, Copland, Classé CDP100.
I really don't know what to do...
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| Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 - 08:28 pm: |
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Peter,
If you can afford the Denon 2910 (released end 2003) then it's a no brainer with decent CD playback, superb SACD and DVD-A as well as various future proof video and digital outputs. Some of the VERY good stand alone Cd players might be slightly better for redbook, but for a very good all rounder I wouldn't go past it for the money.
Does it come with warranty?
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Gold Member Username: Petergalbraith
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| Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 - 08:39 pm: |
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I don't know about the warranty. I presume so, but buying it from the US would complicate matters a lot anyway.
http://www.ecost.com/ecost/shop/detail.asp?dpno=176661
They state "call us" for availability, so they likely don't have any this minute. But I could check in once in a while if I decided that's what I want. |
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| Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 - 09:08 pm: |
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Sorry Peter, the 2910 is the current 2005 model but was released around Sept last year (I think). I was getting confused with the 2200 being the previous years model without some of the latest goodies.
Good luck with your ultimate decision. |
Gold Member Username: Petergalbraith
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| Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 - 09:50 pm: |
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Hmmm. That makes it even more appealing then.
I'm very confused. On another forum, the audiophiles are suggesting that I should be looking at used C$1000 players instead of C$500 players. They say the difference is substantial. I just don't think I'm there yet. I won't hear what they hear and then they rightly say I need to spend $5000 on amplification to make it work. |
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| Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 - 11:04 pm: |
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It's easy to get swayed by high quality, but unfortunately most of us need to live within our means. I am somewhat hypocritical in this regard because I could not really afford the equipment we have purchased. But we have not gone overboard either. With much of the hi-fi gear to choose from you can spend an awful lot for only small increments of improved sound quality.
If the sound of your component lets you enjoy the music then you should have accomplished what you set out for. If you want to listen to the system then that's another story and can be a truly expensive one.
My Denon DVD-2900 (RRP here $1999AU) is only a very small margin ahead of our Marantz CC-4300 (RRP $549) for redbook playback (I thought it was the other way around until I realised I had made a set-up error). Unless doing a critical listening test one would be hard pressed to notice the difference. Of course there will always be is much better stuff out there, but at what cost and what time and energy to fine THE ONE?
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Gold Member Username: Petergalbraith
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| Posted on Wednesday, August 31, 2005 - 11:38 pm: |
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Thanks Rantz. Makes sense...
The most bang for the buck in terms of redbook playback is to buy the used Rotel. The Denon 2910 refurb would be riskier (what if it's broken when it gets here from the US? what if the sound is only marginally better than what I have now?) but more rewarding for SACD playback; I could finally listen to Diana Krall in full high-res! The easiest for cash outlay is to go with NAD at my local store (36 month no interest plan).
Decisions, decisions.
:-)
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Gold Member Username: Edster922
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| Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 02:16 am: |
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Peter,
in case you're curious how the Marantz 4300 turned out:
http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/1/158402.html |
Gold Member Username: Petergalbraith
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| Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 12:29 pm: |
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After, repeating here what I wrote there so nothing gets lost:
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So at US$150 I should just buy that as my dedicated CD player and forget about the Rotel RCD-02, or NAD C521BEE or Denon 2910 refurb?
It's that good?
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The Marantz CC4300 has a MSRP of C$400 here, so it's nearly the (local) price as the Cambridge Audio Azur 540C or the NAD C521BEE (and more than the used Rotel RCD-02).
Thus US$150 is a very good price but ww.accessories4less.com does not accept orders out of the US... Gotta cross it off my list... |
Silver Member Username: T_bomb25
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| Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 01:45 pm: |
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Peter the Onix is comparable to the 542,and azure 640 its in a differant higher class than the azure 540 and 521bee,so if these 2 units cost that in Canada than the Onix is a striking bargain. |
Gold Member Username: Petergalbraith
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| Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 07:30 pm: |
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Thanks.
I was told that the Nad 542 is bright?
Also, Would you put the Rotel RCD-02 in the same league as the NAD 542 and Onix?
Lastly, how much redbook CD playback quality would I give up going with the Denon DVD-2910 universal instead? |
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