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Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon
USA

Post Number: 1056
Registered: Feb-05
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Poverty is big business guys. I know I work in it everyday. No one, especially the organizations that appear to be most concerned, has any interest in seeing it end. The poverty industry spends money so ineffiecntly that I believe we could go miles towards alleviating the suffering of the worlds poor in 1 day if we focused the money we spend on the poor "on the poor". Instead we bulid layer upon layer of infrastructure mostly redundant and pat each other on the back for our useless involvement as part of the "solution". Just one man's opinion. I am a Case Manager with the State of Oregon's Department of Human Services and I work with all of the community partners who are responsible for alleviating the suffering of the poor. Excuse me for putting this here then running but I'm still on vacation. I also apologize for posting this here but sometimes it sounds like folks are a bit naive about the "poverty business". "Live 8" will help no one except those who participated. But we shouldn't judge as that is the way of the poverty industry.
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Gold Member
Username: Myrantz


The Land Dow...

Post Number: 2098
Registered: Aug-04
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I understand your cynicism Art, especially since you are involved. It must be terribly frustrating. But I don't believe such is the case all the time everywhere. The media here has been following the Australian charity dollars given to those organisations helping the displaced, diseased and helpless tsunami victims. I am very pleased that they are going where they should - even though some of it is lining the pockets of the corrupt. Which is usually the case in most third world countries. As long as we keep trying.
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Gold Member
Username: Jan_b_vigne

Dallas, TX

Post Number: 4370
Registered: May-04
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Posted on Saturday, July 02, 2005 - 01:05 pm:

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Cash is always the intent.




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Silver Member
Username: Sem

New York
USA

Post Number: 493
Registered: Mar-04
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Art, I don't doubt for a second what you're saying is true. But I think the main thing the Live 8 concerts did was to shine a light for many people world-wide on both, the devistating problems Africa is facing as well as the need for governments do something about this. For anything to change, there has to be a ground-swell of public opinion to pressure our governments world-wide. This illumination will not happen overnight but I do feel the light is a bit brighter today than it was yesterday. It was estimated that over 2 billion people attended or watched via tv or online. I'm sure a great many of them, (us), now know more about the horrific situation than before. That in itself will be a giant step in the right direction.


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Silver Member
Username: Arnold_layne

Madrid
Spain

Post Number: 416
Registered: Jun-04
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True. IMO what Africa needs most is political development and the end of them upscaled tribal conflicts. We've already seen that economic development led by foreign companies doesn't do the trick. Neither does massive but occasional food supplies, it has been done for 40 years without overcoming the "poverty trap". We, the people in the developed contries must force arms export, gold mining and foreign politics intrigues to be restricted by a social concern for the thirld world. Events such as Live8 could be important steps in that direction. Question is, are they currently so?

Cheers
AL
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Gold Member
Username: Larry_r

Naples, FL

Post Number: 1076
Registered: Oct-04
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Durn! Been gone so long I've had to spend the whole evening reading the thread. Notes:

Sorry 'bout yer teeth, MR - last year was "my year in the barrel" with teeth, crowns, root canals, etc. This year, I bought a new Braun electric toothbrush - and absolutely love it! Hope it actually helps! (grin)

OK - I just received my first of a new batch of CDs from Amazon - reviewed Sharon Isbin, classical guitar, on "discoveries."

No comments on the African-concert-politics thang, Mer won't let me. . .

Soooo - Bax is back! Good! I do not have the 6th, but do have the 3rd - and the Naxos disc is just fine! I'm ordering 6 and 7 from Amazon, and when they get here (end of July?) I'll chime in with my comments.

I'm a long-time champion of Bax, thanks to an old CIA friend who is a true Anglophile and "sat me down and made me listen" to Bax in about 1987.

MR - sorry to hear about your tree - a close one, eh? Mer and I are readying ourselves for "Dennis," who may or may not become a hurricane this weekend, and may or may not decide to pay us a call. We're watching closely. . .

Been spending a LOT of time with sick relatives, which, as you know, can be very time-intensive. Sigh.

Rick - glad you're making the move! Mer and I know that your lives will be improved once you get settled here in Flawed-Duh, home of the hanging chad and other delights. (grin)

More anon. . . with respect.
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Gold Member
Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon
USA

Post Number: 1057
Registered: Feb-05
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We'll save the poverty discussion for another thread. They have a PC in the lobby that I can use for about 5 minutes. Bax is indeed wonderful. Can any of you think of any other little known British composers? Any of ya'll listen to Malcolm Arnold or Arthur Bliss? Good stuff.

MR - Picked up a couple of good vocal jazz cd's in Seattle. Actually 5 new discs. 3 Shirley Horn discs and 2 Holly Cole.

Last night in Seattle. Back home tommorrow.
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Gold Member
Username: Larry_r

Naples, FL

Post Number: 1078
Registered: Oct-04
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Art - if you're home yet? - did Naxos issue a "box set" of the Bax symphonies, or did you buy separately?

This ayem I re-discovered my Bax 6 - but it's with London Phil and Thomson - I'm about to listen soon. How do you compare the Chandos recordings with the Naxos ones?

Two Cents - John A. - anybody listening to Mahler on the radio will hear some form of compression. The sound levels are so stretched that radio stations cannot reproduce the whole range without distortion. Only way to "really" hear Mahler is live, IMHO. And I would LOVE to go to San Francisco to hear Mahler there! (drool)

I am at a loss - I just got an e-mail from a friend who, as it turns out, recently bought the Isbin guitar concerto album I mention in "Discoveries." He, too, noticed the one-note drop-out near the end. Same time on the disc. I wonder if WarnerClassics has a general fault on this issue? I'll try to get an answer from them - but don't hold yer breath. . .

As you will soon discern, Mer and I are re-doing our CD library, and trying to add more "small" music - stuff we listen to often. Thus symphonies form a smaller portion of the collection than they once did - and our public library grows richer with our donations of "large" music CDs.

But don't worry, 2C, I'm not giving up my MTT Mahler!! (grin)

Respectfully. . .
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Gold Member
Username: John_a

London
U.K.

Post Number: 3348
Registered: Dec-03
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"The sound levels are so stretched that radio stations cannot reproduce the whole range without distortion."

I disagree, Larry!

Anyway, welcome back!

I have the Chandos Vaughan Williams symphonies by Bryden Thomson and the LPO, amongst others. Unfortunately Chandos recorded distortion onto the CDs in some places. The best of the modern RVW symphony cycles (that is excluding Boult) is by Bernard Haitinck and the LPO imho. Recently re-issued by EMI. Mid-price, too.

The Naxos DVD-A of the Sea Symphony is really something.
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Gold Member
Username: Larry_r

Naples, FL

Post Number: 1079
Registered: Oct-04
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John A. - well, sir, back when I used-tah work at radio stations there was that danged thing called a "VU meter" on the console - and we knew that when the sound levels put that thing in the Red Plus area, we were starting to distort.

Now, with digital radio and all, perhaps the old VU meter isn't as valid as it once was. I'd sure like some expert input here, guyz! I'll be glad to eat crow if things are now to the point where compression is never used.

Finished auditioning the Chandos Bax Six - and know why I sorta put it in the "seldom heard" section of my library. Oh, I did like it, but I got the overall feeling - having lived in the American West - that I was in the midst of a bunch of wild mustangs, and the cowboys were having a dickens of a time getting them into the corral! Almost an "out of control" feel for me, and thus a bit unsettling. IMHO.

More anon. . . I'm back to listening to Renee Fleming at the moment . . . . ahhhhh! Beddah.
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Gold Member
Username: Myrantz


The Land Dow...

Post Number: 2103
Registered: Aug-04
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Larry,

Good to see Mer and you are back home and enjoying your music. Still got what teeth I have. It's hard to come to terms about losing all the upper ones and will have to go forth with the process very shortly. I will need to put aside a month for anti-social, non-contact activity until getting the plate fitted. I don't look forward to it, but at least I'll have some good music to cheer me up.

(See Alexander/Brown/Mallone in Rate your Hi-res ... Now there's one recording I've got that you'd love too - I'm sure!)

Art,

Let me know how you like Holly Cole and Shirley Horn - I listened to some samples of the latter, but I didn't like the titles. Can't recall the album.
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Gold Member
Username: Myrantz


The Land Dow...

Post Number: 2104
Registered: Aug-04
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John A

Better start your fitness programme for the 2012 Olympics. Congrats to you poms!

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Gold Member
Username: John_a

London
U.K.

Post Number: 3350
Registered: Dec-03
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My Rantz,

Thank you! The hardest act to follow was Sydney, I think. Most Brit sports reporters came back from there and said the Olympics should ALWAYS be in Australia.
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Gold Member
Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon
USA

Post Number: 1059
Registered: Feb-05
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Just got home and gettin' unpacked. Ah ain't Seattle fabulous. Silver Platter's...what a great music store.

Haven't had a chance to listen to all the new music yet. The Holly Cole Trio debut album is quite different. It's not jazz in the traditional sense..not like Shirley horn who is the embodiment of jazz..Holly's more like.."The Bad Plus". I find it very entertaining.

Haven't listened to the Naxos/Chandos Bax discs closely on each others heels yet. I will do that and compare. Very tired.

Larry..I have been buying Renee's discs like crazy lately. She is truly heavenly.
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Gold Member
Username: John_a

London
U.K.

Post Number: 3356
Registered: Dec-03
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Friends,

I just made some phone calls and all my family is safe. Exactly what is going on, I have no idea. There is a continual stream of ambulances to and from the hospital near by, plus helicopters. I will not be posting for a while, and may not come back to this topic at all. I just thought I should let you know.

Peace.
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Gold Member
Username: Myrantz


The Land Dow...

Post Number: 2109
Registered: Aug-04
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Have sent a private email John. Horrible news! Keep safe.
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Silver Member
Username: John_s

Columbus, Ohio
US

Post Number: 357
Registered: Feb-04
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John, I am very relieved to hear you and yours are OK. Peace to you, too.
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Silver Member
Username: Sem

New York
USA

Post Number: 495
Registered: Mar-04
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John, I'm relieved to hear you and your family are safe. My thoughts and prayers go out to everyone there.

So hard to understand why.




Sem

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Silver Member
Username: Ojophile

Take the Eh Train

Post Number: 318
Registered: Jun-04
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John,

Our thoughts are with you and yours.

Take care,
Don
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Gold Member
Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon
USA

Post Number: 1062
Registered: Feb-05
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My heartfelt condolences to John and others of the UK who have experienced today's horrible events.
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Gold Member
Username: Rick_b

New York
USA

Post Number: 1227
Registered: Dec-03
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New York...........................London



You get a different perspective when it's in your own back yard, don't you John? I'm glad you and your family are fine.
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Gold Member
Username: Kegger

Warren, MICHIGAN

Post Number: 2505
Registered: Dec-03
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My heart goes out to you and you'rs john! But I'm in the dark here and don't know
what happened! I can only speculate, anyone care to shed some light, as I've been
nowhere near any kind of news.
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Silver Member
Username: Ojophile

Take the Eh Train

Post Number: 319
Registered: Jun-04
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Kegger,

http://news.bbc.co.uk/

Headline:
More than 30 die in London blasts...

Four terror attacks on London's transport network leave more than 30 dead and hundreds injured.

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Gold Member
Username: John_a

London
U.K.

Post Number: 3358
Registered: Dec-03
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Thanks, all. We are not affected. Others are. All I suggest is we pause and think, a moment, about them. I was just writing a post here this morning when it all started. Maybe I should not have sent that one. I assumed it would soon be on the international news. We live near a major hospital, which is also on my route to work, and not far from the first bomb. The emergency traffic was exceptional, also emergency response teams all over, and it seemed pretty unusual. I did not know how widespread it would be. It is serious, but not as much as it seemed it could be, this morning. Let's get back to "business as usual". Making a fuss is rewarding those guys, just like trolls on the forum. I do not wish to draw attention to this, and thereby to "them" whoever they are. But let me say I really appreciate the posts and also the direct messages.

Your health, friends.

Now, where were we...?
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Gold Member
Username: Artk

Albany, Oregon
USA

Post Number: 1064
Registered: Feb-05
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MR - It appears that much of our jazz tastes are different as I can't abide light jazz. I loved all of the Shirly Horn CD's that I just picked up and Holly Cole was also quite a trip (meant in the best possible way).

If you get a Cassandra Wilson disc I would suggest "Belly of the Sun" or "Blue Light 'til Dawn". "Belly" is her best.
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Gold Member
Username: Myrantz


The Land Dow...

Post Number: 2116
Registered: Aug-04
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Art

I can appreciate all styles, popular, swing, fusion, jazz/blues - light or heavy - and preferably, but not always, with a horn section or solos. Though I like a great jazz singer - it's still the music, the tune, and the delivery that needs to get me in.

I will be investigating Ms Wilson, I believe she has a SACD released also. Thanks Art.
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Username: Jan_b_vigne

Dallas, TX

Post Number: 4408
Registered: May-04
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1932: Depression low point of Dow Jones Industrial Average, 41.22.

1937: Britain sends 13,000 troops to Palestine, and martial law is declared, in an attempt to crush Arab fight for land.

1959: Vietnamese guerillas ambush two U.S. "advisers," making them the first U.S. casualties since 1946 in Vietnam.



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Gold Member
Username: Jan_b_vigne

Dallas, TX

Post Number: 4409
Registered: May-04
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" London handled the N@zi blitz. 'Handled' is perhaps the wrong word. Londoners watched as their city was battered to rubble day after day, and squared their shoulders, and sent out the RAF, and prevailed. A fire chief named Deasy summed up the British response: "The idea of England folding up, that's a joke. That outfit will never fold up. They've got just as much guts as anybody in this man's world has and they'll carry right on. Anybody thinks they're gonna fold up, they're crazy."



" In Iraq, they call events like this 'Tuesday.'

Tens of thousands of people have been killed and wounded in Iraq by way of deadly bombings that have been taking place every single day. These Iraqi people are no different from the Londoners who perished today. Their skin is darker perhaps, and they pray to a different God, but they have families and children and dreams and they die just as horribly as their British counterparts. Yet they earn perhaps a few sentences on the back page of the paper, and virtually no comment from the members of the international community ..."


http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/070705A.shtml









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Gold Member
Username: Jan_b_vigne

Dallas, TX

Post Number: 4410
Registered: May-04
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"My first thought when I heard - just on a personal basis, when I heard there had been this attack and I saw the futures this morning, which were really in the tank, I thought, 'Hmmm, time to buy.'"
- Fox News's Brit Hume, 7/7/05


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Gold Member
Username: Myrantz


The Land Dow...

Post Number: 2121
Registered: Aug-04
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Yes Jan, and when England has deadly bombings happening every day, those too will be relegated to the back pages. Let's hope no more countries have so many bombings that their news items are relegated to the back pages.


And we can put an end to the ones that do.

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Gold Member
Username: John_a

London
U.K.

Post Number: 3367
Registered: Dec-03
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Jan, those pull-quotes from the link are just nonsense. Historically and factually. The first paragraph is right on the mark: "A British associate penned a quick response to the bombing attacks...."

That's how it is here.

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Gold Member
Username: Jan_b_vigne

Dallas, TX

Post Number: 4414
Registered: May-04
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So your problem is with the next two quotes?
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Gold Member
Username: John_a

London
U.K.

Post Number: 3368
Registered: Dec-03
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Just the first quote, and especially the first line of the second. Right now we I can do without smart-ars* journalists with coy little exaggerations, using carnage to try to raise a smile and demonstrate how clever they are. I can go along with the rest of the second quote, broadly, but the comparison the guy is making, on the whole, is absurd. I don't think this is the place or time to open up all that.

Here is a quote from an Iranian commentator on Middle eastern affairs, Amir Teheri, in yesterday's London Times. He seems to know his stuff, and, specifically, his Koran. Let me be clear he is pointing out just ONE interpretation of that - and one he believes to be mistaken.

"Moments after yesterday's attacks my telephone was buzzing with requests for interviews with one recurring question: but what do they want?".......

"But sorry, old chaps, you are dealing with an enemy that does not want anything specific, and cannot be talked back into reason through anger management or round-table discussions. Or, rather, this enemy does want something specific: to take full control of your lives, dictate every single move round the clock, and, if you dare resist, he will fell it is his divine duty to kill you."

That is our common enemy, Jan, and we are just as much on the side of the good people of Iraq. Al Quaeda wants to cloud the waters, and have Muslims become afraid of us just as much as we are of them. Then they can cruise in and impose the kind of theocracy we got rid of in the Middle Ages. That's what they think. I would quote "the British associate again" but Admin would righly pull the thread.

Now about surround sound....
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Gold Member
Username: John_a

London
U.K.

Post Number: 3369
Registered: Dec-03
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"fell" should be "feel". I typed that; my fault.
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Gold Member
Username: John_a

London
U.K.

Post Number: 3370
Registered: Dec-03
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"righly" should be "rightly". Never type, or post, in anger!
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Gold Member
Username: Jan_b_vigne

Dallas, TX

Post Number: 4418
Registered: May-04
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Sorry I made you angry. That was not my intent.
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Gold Member
Username: John_a

London
U.K.

Post Number: 3372
Registered: Dec-03
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You didn't, Jan! It was the author. A few blocks away from where I sit there is a hospital with people hauled out of a subway on Thursday and still judged critical, others who are out of mortal danger but minus things like eyes and limbs. In town there are guys underground retrieving body parts from a tube 100 ft underground that is damaged and may collapse on them. Yes, let us grieve equally for all human casualties. But no political point-scoring at the moment, please.

Tag-line of "The girl in the café"; - "Does it matter whose baby it is?"

What's Al Quaeda's tag-line exactly? "Die, infidel...?"

There is a profound moral asymmetry between the invasion of Iraq and the terrorist attacks in the US, Madrid, Bali, and now London. Also political. And The Blitz has zero to do with any of it. Some people just enjoy stirring things up.

Change of subject. Please.
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Gold Member
Username: John_a

London
U.K.

Post Number: 3376
Registered: Dec-03
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How about "Watch out for Hurricane Dennis"? Larry? Rick?

"The girl in the café" was in US on a channel called "HBO". "Conspiracy" is on an HBO DVD. HBO is new to me. Is it a cable/satellite channel only?
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Gold Member
Username: Jan_b_vigne

Dallas, TX

Post Number: 4427
Registered: May-04
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It is a premium satellite/cable network with multiple channels. It began life showing recent movies. It has spawned several production companies which produce many well written and executed programs. Same story with Showtime. Both require additional fees over and above "basic subscription rates".


http://www.hbo.com/





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Silver Member
Username: John_s

Columbus, Ohio
US

Post Number: 359
Registered: Feb-04
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HBO#History
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Gold Member
Username: Jan_b_vigne

Dallas, TX

Post Number: 4430
Registered: May-04
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1509: Birth of Calvin. Hobbes came later.

http://www.simplych.com/comics.htm

1946: Birth of Stuart Christie, Scottish international revolutionary militant. Co-founder, with Albert Meltzer, of the prison support movement An@rchist Black Cross. In Aug. 1964, arrested with explosives under his kilt trying to cross into Spain to assassinate the dictator Franco.

Under his kilt?


1962: U.S. government rejects Soviet proposal of complete and general disarmament.

Once again, nothing funny can be said about this.

1976: KKK members near Georgetown, Illinois, gather for a good old-fashioned cross burning. The meeting got off on the wrong foot, starting an hour late. They went to plant their cross only to find that it was too heavy to move. It took the white robed merrymakers three hours to chop the cross down to a portable size. Then they planted it, only to find it would not light. Finally they gave up and went home.

What, you think I can add something to that?!

1984: Acting Pres. Reagan claims that his environmental record is "one of the best kept secrets" of his Presidency. When a reporter asks where former EPA head Anne Burford fits in that record, press secretary Larry Speakes steps forward and orders the lights turned off. Reagan, believed by many to be the most powerful man on the planet, stands behind his aide, saying, "My guardian says I can't talk." And so the secret was kept.

YEP!!!

1985: Mel Blanc, voice of hundreds of cartoon characters, dies at 81.

Nothing I can say would ever be as funny as, "Wascallwy Wabbit!"







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Username: Jan_b_vigne

Dallas, TX

Post Number: 4431
Registered: May-04
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If you didn't tkae the time to check out Calvin and Hobbes, shame on you!

http://www.simplych.com/sun.gif




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Gold Member
Username: John_a

London
U.K.

Post Number: 3377
Registered: Dec-03
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Thanks. "Home Box Office". Simple. When I was in US, BBC things were often made jointly with NPB, I think. This is years ago.
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Username: Myrantz


The Land Dow...

Post Number: 2130
Registered: Aug-04
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Larry,

I guess you and Mer are battening the hatches. Hoping Dennis spares you.


Stay safe.

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Gold Member
Username: Larry_r

Naples, FL

Post Number: 1083
Registered: Oct-04
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MR et al - yep, we missed the bullet for the 5th time in 12 months - and are wondering how much longer our run of "luck" can last? Hmmm. . .

We're about as ready as we can be - and are a bit unsettled by all the weather-mopes and their predictions of many more hurricanes to come this year. Sigh.

Haven't been posting much on this thread lately, as Jan, John A. and Art are talking far above my head - so I just sorta sit on the sidelines and wait until I can snag a thought I actually unnerstand! (grin)

Have a great week, all. . .
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Gold Member
Username: Kegger

Warren, MICHIGAN

Post Number: 2507
Registered: Dec-03
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Larry good to hear your still with us and those darn hurricanes have left you alone.
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Username: Kegger

Warren, MICHIGAN

Post Number: 2508
Registered: Dec-03
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Guy's, I know that darn kegger again, well I have a new passion! "along with the others still"

VINTAGE SOLID STATE RECEIVERS! Pre 1981 wood cased silver faced jobs! I know I know WTF!
Most of these things are built like a tank, can be worked on and sound darn good!
Oh yah they look really sweet too with the analog meters and cool lights/switches.

I've been garage saling among other ways to pick up some stuff and make a little
extra cash. I've been picking up gear, working on it, reselling and or trading for stuff.
There's quite a market out there. Marantz/pioneer/sansui/yamaha/mcintosh/kenwood
among a few others command pretty good money and respect by many a collecter.

What really got me hooked was that I hit a few garage sales found a couple cool things
like speakers and whatnot then I came accross one garage sale where the guy had two
receivers, a kenwood and a marantz that I got for $10 total that just needed a really good
cleaning of all the controls and the units in general. Then the guy say's, hey you fix gear
maybe you'd be interested in this big ol thing I got in the back. It was a pioneer sx-1010 "would not power up"
that had some good weight to it so I gave the guy $3 for it. Got it home looked it up on "blown internal fuses"
the internet and I was hooked! It's the first receiver to break the 100watt per channel barrier.
Plus the thing is highly saught after for it's collectability/build quality/sound. Took me a little
to fix'er up.Had leaky power supply caps/bad input transisters/other caps that made the dc
offset go through the roof to where the protection curcuit came on and no volume in the left
channel. Swapped some power caps from a dead garbage picked newer technics unit, bought
some transistors and caps "about $12 total" and got'er up and running. So I spent a few days
fixing it and $15 invested into a unit that looks and sounds sweet that's worth about $275!

So I now have about 20 of these type units that I've sold a couple to