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Bronze Member Username: Stereo_genious
USA
Post Number: 48
Registered: Jul-05
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| Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 02:58 pm: |
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Hi guys. There is something that has been on my mind for months now, and if I do not find an answer soon enough, I am going to go nuts! I have noticed something about tower speakers. Years ago, lots of them had 12-15" woofers. Nowadays, the most I have ever seen on them is 6-10". I have also noticed that Athena has come out with a new line of tower speakers. They are slim, and come with eight 3-inch woofers. Here's my question: In 20 years, are the traditional box-type tower speakers going to become extinct? Does this mean that I will be stuck with dinky speakers for life? |
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Gold Member Username: Paul_ohstbucks
Post Number: 1802
Registered: Jan-05
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| Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 03:13 pm: |
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The music snobs will respond saying the halfpint speakers are more refined........LOL
That's great if you're into wine tasting music, but what about those who want to rock-n-roll or wish to own a kickass movie theater?? |
Bronze Member Username: Rsxman
Post Number: 33
Registered: Jul-05
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| Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 03:15 pm: |
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Ya! We need speakers that are freakin 10 feet high and weigh more than a chevy tahoe. |
Bronze Member Username: Stereo_genious
USA
Post Number: 52
Registered: Jul-05
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| Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 03:26 pm: |
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I love big speakers! In fact, if I were to choose in the same price range between a good bookshelf speakers and a supposedly mediocre tower speaker, I would go with the bigger one! |
Gold Member Username: Artk
Albany,
Oregon
USA
Post Number: 1406
Registered: Feb-05
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| Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 03:46 pm: |
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That's why they sell all kinds. Personally I prefer good speakers regardless of their size. The Wilson Maxx 2 is my favorite speaker and it is pretty big. Until you've heard the bass it produces you simply haven't lived. |
Silver Member Username: Stu_pitt
NYC,
NY
Post Number: 361
Registered: May-05
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| Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 03:48 pm: |
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Interesting how I listen to alt rocl/metal and classic rock on speakers with two 6.5's and have no problem pissing off the landlord and nieghbors if I want to.
In you're context, I like to refer to my music as beer and cigar tasting music.
Mike - I know you're at an impressionable age, please don't follow in Paul's footsteps. Their's a reason they don't make his speakers or speakers like his anymore... and it's not because they are way too good... Paul has a difficult time letting go of the 80's... His mullet and Iron Maiden t-shirt are testament to this... Please keep these things in mind... |
Silver Member Username: Touche6784
USA
Post Number: 546
Registered: Nov-04
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| Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 04:26 pm: |
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yes mike, dont follow paul's footsteps. you will be that much closer to having our feet up your butt. |
Gold Member Username: Paul_ohstbucks
Post Number: 1807
Registered: Jan-05
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| Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 04:31 pm: |
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"Interesting how I listen to alt rocl/metal and classic rock on speakers with two 6.5's and have no problem pissing off the landlord and nieghbors if I want to."
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Hell....
You can accomplish that with a $100 boombox.
If you live in an industrial area, and a small factory 200yds away on the other side of the railroad tracks calls the police to complain about the noise,.....ok, then I'll be impressed. That happened to me once in college..........HEH
Until you have a factory call to complain, I'm not impressed. As if the friggin trains werent loud?? |
Silver Member Username: Stu_pitt
NYC,
NY
Post Number: 362
Registered: May-05
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| Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 04:44 pm: |
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Paul Jr. - As science and technology advance, so does speaker design. I think this one has gotten by your new mentor.
If your mentor's monster CV's were so good, why would he have turned around and bought a sub-woofer? His old school CV's should shake the entire neighborhood without any help. But yet they don't.
Interestingly enough, why were sub-woofers made in the first place? To compliment the 'pint-sized wine and cheese speakers' he has come to hate. I guess his old school behemoths need just as much help as bookshelves after all. When using a sub-woofer, the bass isn't being played anymore by the other speakers, just the sub. What is the point in having 100 lb junk speakers with 12" woofers in your living room if you are only using the mid and high drivers in your speakers? SIZE ENVY. He is making up for all of his short comings.
Has he told you any of this yet? I would love to see the look of betrayal on your face as you read this. I imagine it would be like the look on my face when I realised Mike Tyson wasn't the best role model. We all go through it. Sorry it had to be this way kid....
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Silver Member Username: Stu_pitt
NYC,
NY
Post Number: 363
Registered: May-05
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| Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 04:51 pm: |
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"If you live in an industrial area, and a small factory 200yds away on the other side of the railroad tracks calls the police to complain about the noise,.....ok, then I'll be impressed. That happened to me once in college..........HEH"
I've pulled off similar feats with a Crown DJ amp and my infamous White Van Speakers in college. Music teachers in a building 200 yds away couldn't hear their students instruments over my stereo. That doesn't mean that my stereo sounded good. Deafening garbage was more like it...
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Silver Member Username: Stu_pitt
NYC,
NY
Post Number: 364
Registered: May-05
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| Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 04:57 pm: |
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Paul -
I though you were going to come at me about the Mullet and Iron Maiden t-shirt comment...
You could be the best thing to ever happen to this message board... You keep it real!!!
As you say "HEH" |
Bronze Member Username: Zorro
Post Number: 13
Registered: Jul-05
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| Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 05:01 pm: |
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Stu,
It is obvious (we all know) that Paul is quite ignorant and inept so why even waste time responding to his childish posts?
Share your comments and advice with someone who is worth talking to.
Cheers 
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Gold Member Username: Paul_ohstbucks
Post Number: 1810
Registered: Jan-05
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| Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 05:14 pm: |
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I can answer some of those questions.......
My speakers rule the world of ACDC, Van Halen...etc, etc..etc...(my kind of music). It wasnt until recently that the ever increasing demanding nature of movie soundtracks reared it's head, and I realized I finally needed a sub for todays movies to recreate the sound that was meant to be heard. Many of these soundtracks have obscenely low frequencies that not even my poor little CVs could touch because they were only capable of approaching a wimpy 24hz.
I had my epiphony the night I watched the "Incredibles" for the first time. That was the night of the first time in 20 years, that I managed to bottom out those massive 15" drivers at reference levels, and I thought........WTF?? I knew then and there that an upgrade was on the near horizon.
It was no surprise that my 140lb monster SVS was on order within the next week, and it would soon make its home as part of my humble HT.
As far as classic rock goes???...nothing can touch the CVs because they can eat those soundtracks up and spit them out, but for the wickedly sadisticly difficult movie soundtracks....You need an equally wicked sub to tackle the really tough low frequency soundwaves, and actually reproduce them like they were meant to be heard. |
Silver Member Username: Touche6784
USA
Post Number: 547
Registered: Nov-04
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| Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 05:29 pm: |
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mike, athena is hardly the forefront of speaker tech and neither is CV. so no crap you are going to see bad speaker designs aimed at HTIB owners. if you looked at real speakers you would see that having tons of small drivers really is not the future of speakers. look outside of BB, CC and other big box stores and you will find speakers actually leading the industry. |
Silver Member Username: Devils_advocate
Post Number: 141
Registered: Jul-05
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| Posted on Wednesday, August 03, 2005 - 08:42 pm: |
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The crappy part about that Athena model is that 5 of those so called woofers are only passive radiators; IOW its got roughly the capabilities of a 2 way bookshelf with a 6.5" woofer. Not very impressive, particularly for ~500 bucks.
Of course I was looking at it the other day and it does have a pretty nice extruded aluminum cabinet; pretty sturdy, particularly compared to its competition from Klipsch and Yamaha. I suppose if you wanted something stylish, it wouldn't be too bad. |
Silver Member Username: Timn8ter
Seattle,
WA
USA
Post Number: 421
Registered: Dec-03
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| Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 12:57 am: |
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The biggest push to narrow speakers is simply aesthetics. To create big, deep, dynamic bass you need to be able to move large volumes of air. This is much easier to do with a 12", or larger, cone and a wide cabinet. It can be done with something smaller but you'll need to increase the amount of stroke to do so, then you run into problems maintaining control of the cone and motor design technology has improved significantly to keep up with this trend. Occasionally you'll still see wide front baffles on speakers but they are considered to be for a niche market. I remember when the first sub/satellite systems started showing up in the popular retail stores. The idea was to match the performance of the big box speakers with something nearly invisible. Those early models didn't really do that but people bought them up anyway, still do. It's improved quite a bit over the years but I still haven't heard anything compare to full range speakers on each channel. I like my towers for this reason and they do kick hard when asked for dual 6" but a truly high performance 12" woofer will still surpass them. Performance gives way to appearance far too often in my opinion but you gotta give the people what they want. |
Silver Member Username: T_bomb25
Dayton,
Ohio
United States
Post Number: 495
Registered: Jun-05
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| Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 01:23 am: |
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Well, Tim most of the time its done to achieve better imaging and soundstaging.And also you have look at it like this: say for example you looking for a tower for $1000 in this day and age most woofers are gonna be 6.5 inchers,solid bass extention good midrange and decent imaging.Now if you want 12 inchers that is quality its gonna cost you ,it is much harder to get a larger woofer to be Quik and accurate and sound good.You factor that into a $1000 spaeker,that is virtually impossible to incorparate in a speaker at that price with those kind of drivers.That is why you pay that Legacy Audio or Wilson Audio price. |
Silver Member Username: Timn8ter
Seattle,
WA
USA
Post Number: 422
Registered: Dec-03
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| Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 08:54 am: |
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Yep, my statement didn't take price into account very much. It also was based on comparing similar quality drivers. It just annoys me to no end to see sub/sat systems costing $6000 that have a big response hole between the sub and the satellites. That's appearance over performance! |
Silver Member Username: Frank_abela
Berkshire
UK
Post Number: 719
Registered: Sep-04
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| Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 10:39 am: |
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But sub/sat systems are getting better. The M&K Xenon series has a tiny LCR35 satellite that goes up to 35khz and down realistically to 100hz. The sub (MX700) then covers 100hz down to 20 hz flat. It's not a cheap solution at £2000 ($3500 approx) but it's extremely convincing.
There are other problems associated with large drive units, chief among them being cone breakup. All drive units are a compromise between weight and stiffness. The larger a drive unit, the heavier it is. This is why there has been research into special stiff materials (ceramic, kevlar, aerolam...) for cones. The stiffer the material the better since it avoids cone breakup, but very often it makes the cone very heavy (relatively) which makes it slower.
Now a 6 or 7 inch drive unit, properly loaded by a sympathetic cabinet, will reproduce most of the required frequency range down to the 30's so this is why most speakers use a unit of this size, but for really low bass, you can't get away from the fact that you need to move a lot of air and the drive units increase in size. In this case though, it is preferable to dedicate an amp to those frequencies. This is why the subwoofer (or sub bass device) came into being in the first place. It's difficult for a tower to be a genuine full range (20hz - 20khz flat) speaker, and even if it is, it's unlikely that the separate amp would be expecting to satisfy that load.
Regards,
Frank. |
Silver Member Username: Frank_abela
Berkshire
UK
Post Number: 720
Registered: Sep-04
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| Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 10:44 am: |
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Incidentally, personally I find the whole of speaker design to be a travesty. Speakers are between 3 and 5% efficient. In other words, of all the power you feed into a speaker only a maximum of 5% of that power is converted into sound! The rest is wasted predominantly in heat (crossovers get HOT) and a little mechanical wastage. It's terrible in this day and age where we're all meant to be trying to use less fuel that the HiFi is so inefficient. I really hope that in 20 years' time we have invented a new technology with 95% efficient speakers. This would kill the power amp market (1 - 2 watt power amps becoming the norm) but it would be so much less wasteful and could bring about massive improvements in sound quality - by orders of magnitude.
regards,
Frank. |
Silver Member Username: T_bomb25
Dayton,
Ohio
United States
Post Number: 496
Registered: Jun-05
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| Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 11:33 am: |
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Thats probably not gonna happen Frank,how manu highly efficient speaker do you know of?Not many,asside from some horn designs their are not many quality HiFi speakers,wow and most them arent very good either.Low efficient speakers will always be around,how are you gonna be able to test gear?99% of high efficient designs are not very revealing.Where is the bass gonna come from?most highly efficient speakers dont go very deep in the bass and they often dont measure very well.Low efficient speakers will always be around,you always can get decent bass extension out of them and they usually measure pretty decent.In a small bookshelf low efficiency is usually the answer to achieve a generous bass aligment out of a small box.High efficient speakers are often forward and extemely bright and induce listning fatigue in a very time,Im not saying its not possible to do it most designers dont feel comfortable doing so.Coincident Technology make the best line of highly efficent speakers I know of,but they are generally 4 ohm loads,Triangle makes a great high efficient speaker,but the are missing in action entirely under 45htz.,so it is always gonna be tradeoffs and compromises,get what are willing to accept from a speaker. |
Silver Member Username: Timn8ter
Seattle,
WA
USA
Post Number: 423
Registered: Dec-03
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| Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 11:57 am: |
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I can appreciate where you're coming from Frank. Some have tried to come up with different methods of reproducing sound and most have failed miserably. Even those technologies that did succeed (electostatic for example) are still very inefficient. Perhaps it's not speakers we should be condemning though. What about amps? Those are the real power hogs. The new digital amps are looking to take care of that issue, so if watts are cheap who cares? |
Bronze Member Username: Stereo_genious
USA
Post Number: 56
Registered: Jul-05
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| Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 05:12 pm: |
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Wide front baffles on speakers are now for a niche market, Timn8ter? But I like big speakers, not tall, but thin, speakers. Listen, you, from 5th grade up until 11th, I was stuck with little cheesy boomboxes that had no bass, or hooty bass. When I hit 11th grade, I got my first shelf stereo, but it had no bass. I have never ever owned big speakers before. I thought that I would be able to make up for this lost time by the time I'm in like in my 30's, but from what you are telling me about the niche market thing, wide-baffle tower speakers will be extinct by then? I can't take it anymore! I'm gonna be stuck with wimpy tiny speakers for the rest of my life! My life stinks! |
Silver Member Username: Touche6784
USA
Post Number: 552
Registered: Nov-04
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| Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 05:36 pm: |
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uh get a life mike. have you been reading any of the posts? |
Gold Member Username: Paul_ohstbucks
Post Number: 1814
Registered: Jan-05
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| Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 07:13 pm: |
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I love how owners of little halfpint speakers keep talking about their 'quick bass'.
That's a misnomer in itself........
I love how they rationalize why their little 4" 2way speakers are better when the reality is something quite different.
Yea...keep talking up those little 4"ers.....hahahah
Whoah.....listen to that lightening fast bass!!
hahahahahah
It's so fast, you you have to listen fast, or you'll miss it.
hahahahahahahahahahaha |
Gold Member Username: Petergalbraith
Rimouski,
Quebec
Canada
Post Number: 1096
Registered: Feb-04
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| Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 08:28 pm: |
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Stu wrote:
When using a sub-woofer, the bass isn't being played anymore by the other speakers, just the sub. What is the point in having 100 lb junk speakers with 12" woofers in your living room if you are only using the mid and high drivers in your speakers?
The point is a lower cross-over point and more realistic bass. I use 40 Hz for my fronts when I set them to small (or set the sub to LFE+L/R at 40 Hz and the speakers to large). |
Silver Member Username: T_bomb25
Dayton,
Ohio
United States
Post Number: 501
Registered: Jun-05
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| Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 08:34 pm: |
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You know Paul,if you listened to music then your opinion on this matter may carry some weight.But you dont,so for all you real young guys like Mike and others,dont listen to him he is gonna lead you straight to audio oblivion. |
Gold Member Username: Paul_ohstbucks
Post Number: 1820
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| Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 09:11 pm: |
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Hey, c'mon...
As jim has pointed out many times before, I always listen to music. Could you imagine a movie soundtrack void of music?? |
Silver Member Username: T_bomb25
Dayton,
Ohio
United States
Post Number: 503
Registered: Jun-05
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| Posted on Thursday, August 04, 2005 - 09:32 pm: |
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Ah....Paul on the contuary you actually do listen to music No..ooo,Im not talking about your H/T setup with the CVs Na Na Na!and I thought we all listen to dainty lightweights and Paul listens to the daintiest speakers of all of us, his computer speakers.Paul what are they Altec Lnasing 2 inchers? and all this time I thought you really liked big speakers,Paul show us a picture of your CD collection next to your killer computer audio system....Ha.Ha this guy is a Fraud!you dont deserve all this special treatment we give you over all your lightweight speaker comments,Hech give me a break! |
Silver Member Username: T_bomb25
Dayton,
Ohio
United States
Post Number: 504
Registered: Jun-05
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| Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 12:11 am: |
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Paul you must admit thats funny,still love ya Paul! |
Silver Member Username: Stu_pitt
NYC,
NY
Post Number: 370
Registered: May-05
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| Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 09:19 am: |
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Peter - Consider who I was talking to. It was all in good fun. Give me some credit... |
Gold Member Username: Petergalbraith
Rimouski,
Quebec
Canada
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| Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 09:31 am: |
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Okay, okay... Let's just not throw out the baby with the bath water. Full range speakers have a use even in this subwoofer age. |
Silver Member Username: Stu_pitt
NYC,
NY
Post Number: 373
Registered: May-05
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| Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 09:38 am: |
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I own full range speakers. I'm not a big fan of bookshelves personally. That doesn't mean they don't have their application. Everything has a purpose. The only problem is that if Paul fails to see their purpose, they're worthless and no one should use them. |
Silver Member Username: T_bomb25
Dayton,
Ohio
United States
Post Number: 506
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| Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 10:37 am: |
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I own both,it just depends on the design,I like both. |
New member Username: Matt9876
Post Number: 2
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| Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 10:37 am: |
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My name is not Mike. My name is Matt. I typed Mike by mistake. That was a typo. Therefore, y'all, please start calling me Matt. |
Gold Member Username: Paul_ohstbucks
Post Number: 1825
Registered: Jan-05
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| Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 11:10 am: |
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Stu,
I have never said they are worthless, and I(like yourself)have said many times before that bookshelf speakers do have their place in this world.
Serving as fronts in a HT just happens to NOT be one of them.
Sitting in your den while enjoying a little cheese to a spattering of winetasting music IS....... |
Silver Member Username: Stu_pitt
NYC,
NY
Post Number: 380
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| Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 11:11 am: |
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Good point Tawaun. There is no universal rule. Companies can mess up every type of design out there. I personally don't like the lack of bass from most bookshelves, but their are exceptions. I've heard some very good bookshelves with plenty of deep bass, but they were way out of my price range. I've heard a lot of towers with horrible bass too. |
Silver Member Username: Timn8ter
Seattle,
WA
USA
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| Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 11:19 am: |
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My point about wide front baffles is this: Wide front baffles help support bass response. Depending on the width of the baffle there will be a frequency at which the the bass response will fall off with a slope of -3 to -6 db per octave depending on the room. The wider the baffle the lower this "baffle step" point is. It's much easier to work with a lower baffle step than a higher one. That being the case, why don't we see more wide baffles? |
Gold Member Username: Paul_ohstbucks
Post Number: 1826
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| Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 11:20 am: |
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Stu,
That was my point....
IMO, virtually all towers in the intermediate price range selling in todays market are incapable of producing any bass.
Heck, considering the vast number of them have tiny drivers that serve double duty(low frequency & midrange duties), how could you expect them to do so?? |
Silver Member Username: T_bomb25
Dayton,
Ohio
United States
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| Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 11:30 am: |
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Yeah,Stu even for quality bass in most cases floorstanders generaly are more expensive to get good bass.Cheaper floorstanders ussually have a terrible midband and topend,with poor,imaging and soundstaging with absolutely horrible driver intrgration.You are taking a compramise anyway you look at in most cases if you are in that $1000 range.The standmounts usually have the least compramises and the most strengths. |
Gold Member Username: Paul_ohstbucks
Post Number: 1828
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| Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 11:44 am: |
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Tim makes a great point because you need to move obscene amounts of air to create the low frequencies. With that said, why dont we see large baffles in todays marketplace in the intermediate price range?? How can they expect to move that amount of air with todays trend towards tiny baffles?? |
Silver Member Username: Stu_pitt
NYC,
NY
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| Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 12:53 pm: |
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Paul - I do understand what you've been saying all along, and agree with most of it - maybe not the exact reasons why or how. I just like getting you a little fired up every now and then. Curiousity question though, what do you consider cut-off point for a woofer to become a wine and cheese taster? |
Silver Member Username: Stu_pitt
NYC,
NY
Post Number: 383
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| Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 01:09 pm: |
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Tawaun - How can missing most of the lower end of frewquency response not be a compromise? $1000 bookshelves may image better and have better clarity in the upper mid to high range than a $1000 tower, but that's about it. Some speakers are better than the rest at any price point, but let's not get too far into that.
It's give and take either way you look at it. On one hand you're getting great imaging and upper mids and highs, but you have no bass. On the other hand you have a relatively full frequency response, but the imaging and highs may be a step behind. It depends on what are resaonable enough compromises to the listener. |
Silver Member Username: T_bomb25
Dayton,
Ohio
United States
Post Number: 521
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| Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 01:13 pm: |
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You have to factor in% Stu,98% of the music is 50 htz. and up.So what seems like the more logical figure to you? |
Gold Member Username: Paul_ohstbucks
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| Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 02:16 pm: |
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Stu,
There is no firm cutoff. C'mon man!!
It would be pretty silly for me to suggest that any cutoff above a certain level constitute wine and cheese. For example, it is quite possible that one speaker rated down to 35hz could be considered 'boutique', while another rated to 45hz can produce behemoth like sound in epiclike proportions. In attempt to use the KISS formula, I'll lump all dainty 'micro driver' bookshelf speakers encased in tiny frilly cabinets into the same group as it relates to serving as front speaker in a HT regardless of their 'alleged' stats.
Lets face it, stats are just stats, and they dont begin to tell the whole story. I'll give you a little example.....
My little 8" 3-way surrounds have a similar 'alleged' efficiency rating to my large CVs. Why is it that even if I set my CVs to small and listen to 2channel music in a large room, that they'll blow away the smaller bookshelf speakers every time and make them sound 'dainty' and 'weak' by comparison?? When canceling the bottom end of the behemoths by setting them to small(and the small speakers set to big), shouldnt they produce equally 'big' sound if they have a similar efficiency rating?????
The answer is a resounding NO!! If you put a dainty small speaker in a large room, and compare output to a similarly efficiency behemoth, the larger heavy weight will knock the lightweight out of the ring every time.
Make sense?? Efficiency ratings are misleading to say the very least, and all are not equal. Could it be that the laws of physics apply here and limit the amount of air capable of being moved by a tiny speaker encased in tiny wood box?? Could physics limit and dictate that a 'petite' speaker couldnt possibly move as much air as a larger counterpart???
Gee whizz....could the laws of physics really apply here?? |
Gold Member Username: Petergalbraith
Rimouski,
Quebec
Canada
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| Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 04:25 pm: |
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Paul,
I think he was asking about woofer size, not bottom end frequency. I won't take apart your thesis but I'm not sure it makes sense...
Tawaun,
I find response below 50Hz helps to create a more enveloping, richer sound, even with very little content.
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Gold Member Username: Jan_b_vigne
Dallas,
TX
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| Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 04:35 pm: |
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Could physics limit and dictate how much air can be moved within a "X" cubic foot space no matter how big the driver is?
Uh-huh!
You can't fit a full 36' waveform into a 12'x 15'x 8' space.
Could physics indicate what will happen when you try?
Uh-huh! You get boom, mud and standing waves; none of which amount to good sound quality.
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Silver Member Username: T_bomb25
Dayton,
Ohio
United States
Post Number: 535
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| Posted on Friday, August 05, 2005 - 04:35 pm: |
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Yes it does, I never said that it didnt.But 98% of the music is 50htz and up so Peter,Paul and Stu what would you rathe |
