Cerwin Vega

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Username: Petergalbraith

Rimouski, Quebec
Canada

Post Number: 1066
Registered: Feb-04

Posted on Saturday, July 30, 2005 - 10:53 am:

Paul is a fan.

He uses them for HT, doesn't listen to music, has never heard a system image properly, uses Bose speakers as rears so doesn't know what a timbre-matched system can do, thought his CVs had enough bass that he didn't need a sub until he finally got one, makes fun of people who like NAD, Arcam and bookself speakers (and so we make fun of his CVs).

Not exactly the kind of expert you'd expect with 1700+ posts and counting...

Sorry Paul, I got tired tired of your joke posts today.

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Username: T_bomb25

Dayton, Ohio
United States

Post Number: 453
Registered: Jun-05

Posted on Saturday, July 30, 2005 - 11:01 am:

Peter I never thought I would agree with you,but whoah!,well said.Well I guess the word "dainty" will go to a new level shortly.

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Username: Petergalbraith

Rimouski, Quebec
Canada

Post Number: 1070
Registered: Feb-04

Posted on Saturday, July 30, 2005 - 12:30 pm:

Tawaun, it's quite possible that we judged eachother much too quickly. I should have given you more slack as a newcomer when you first showed up. For that, I'm sorry.

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Username: T_bomb25

Dayton, Ohio
United States

Post Number: 458
Registered: Jun-05

Posted on Saturday, July 30, 2005 - 12:54 pm:

Well,Peter me to and likewise Jan as well,I know im brash and a little flamboyant it is part of my nature.But once someone gets to know me Im a pretty good guy.Hey one thing I know and we all know is we all love this hobby{even Paul.}With all the different personalities on here is what makes this the greatest forum on the net,and I think everyone on here are very helpful to people in need of it.

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Username: Petergalbraith

Rimouski, Quebec
Canada

Post Number: 1071
Registered: Feb-04

Posted on Saturday, July 30, 2005 - 03:04 pm:

{even Paul.}

LOL!

Thanks for the post! Consider the fence mended!

Edster922

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Username: Edster922

Abubala, Ababala
The Occupation

Post Number: 1390
Registered: Mar-05

Posted on Saturday, July 30, 2005 - 05:20 pm:

I know the following may sound like I'm joking at Paul's expense but it's 100% true, Paul himself revealed it to us:

1. Peter also left out Paul's stated method of AUDITIONING speakers: Paul puts his head about six inches in front of the speaker and asks the salesperson to crank the volume.

2. There is also Paul's stated method of SHOPPING for speakers: he only goes to big-box chain stores like Ultimate Electronics, etc. and won't step foot into what he calls "boutique" stores (meaning anything else except for a big-box).

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

Hell, I ROTFLMAO every time I remember those two things while reading one of his anti-bookshelf tirades that he puts out about every fifteen minutes.

Danman

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Username: Danman

QUEBEC
CANADA

Post Number: 427
Registered: Apr-04

Posted on Saturday, July 30, 2005 - 07:13 pm:

Heck........I thought he bought all his stuff at garage sales!

Christopher Lee

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Username: Touche6784

USA

Post Number: 532
Registered: Nov-04

Posted on Saturday, July 30, 2005 - 09:01 pm:

peter, that was great. i agree danman. you only find that crap in flee markets know.

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Username: T_bomb25

Dayton, Ohio
United States

Post Number: 463
Registered: Jun-05

Posted on Saturday, July 30, 2005 - 09:34 pm:

Wow Paul is this true I am so sad to tell you that is the most ludacrus way to addition a speaker I have ever heard.Paul you are family,now I know why you like the CVs.Look Paul we will help you out of this crisis,im just at a lost for words.

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Username: Petergalbraith

Rimouski, Quebec
Canada

Post Number: 1081
Registered: Feb-04

Posted on Saturday, July 30, 2005 - 10:54 pm:

Actually, I was wrong about a detail. Paul is actually using a 7.1 system and the Bose 161 are the back speskers. The surrounds are listed as "AAL83- 3-way surround Speakers". The only google I can find are these:

http://www.liebermancompanies.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=40_191_109_124& products_id=119&osCsid=6403df66e8138db5a5d5fbf9090ca93c

but these are two-way speakers... They look pretty dainty for Paul too, so that can't be right.

So no timbre match here. I guess it's worse!

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Username: Devils_advocate

Post Number: 105
Registered: Jul-05

Posted on Saturday, July 30, 2005 - 11:29 pm:

Of course for Paul's uses, does it really matter? As long as he hears lots of explosions, its all good.

Mike

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Username: Stereo_genious

USA

Post Number: 21
Registered: Jul-05

Posted on Saturday, July 30, 2005 - 11:38 pm:

OOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHH, YYEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSS!!!!! Big, bad, bloated bass! I love bloated bass! I want Cerwin-vegas in my room NOW!

Zorro

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Username: Zorro

Post Number: 8
Registered: Jul-05

Posted on Sunday, July 31, 2005 - 12:25 am:

Man! I posted earlier on the wrong thread ...oh well

For those of you who have not had the privilege to meet Paul,

http://jazyy.info/celebrity_news2/buddy_ebsen_d.jpg

:-)

Dakulis

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Username: Dakulis

Spokane, Washington
United States

Post Number: 328
Registered: May-05

Posted on Sunday, July 31, 2005 - 01:13 am:

Geez,

I come in late and I see a Peter and T-Man love fest, glad you two recognized that you both have lots of good things to say and we can cut each other a little slack about how we get there.

Now, do we all have to have some fun at Paul's expense, really? Is that mature, HUH?

HE ACTUALLY PUTS HIS EAR 6" FROM THE SPEAKER, ARE YOU KIDDING ME? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, I'M DYIN' HERE!!!!!

Edster922

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Username: Edster922

Abubala, Ababala
The Occupation

Post Number: 1396
Registered: Mar-05

Posted on Sunday, July 31, 2005 - 03:03 am:

kulish,

Nope I kid you not. He freely admitted this as if it were standard scientific speaker-evaluation technique.

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Username: Paul_ohstbucks

Post Number: 1757
Registered: Jan-05

Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 04:17 pm:

Yea, I guess Ultimate electronics only sells cheap 'big box' chain components.

http://www.ultimateelectronics.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=373&it emType=PRODUCT&iProductID=373

Like this cheap $15,000 pair of beginner speakers.

LOL....

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Username: Paul_ohstbucks

Post Number: 1758
Registered: Jan-05

Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 04:25 pm:

While it's true that I listen to speakers at normal distances, I also get close enough to listen to each driver individually to single out it's output while shopping. You'd be surprised how different tweeters sound when comparing them across various different brands/styles. The same goes with the mids, and low frequency drivers. Many will sound night and day different, both good and bad.

Jan Vigne

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Username: Jan_b_vigne

Dallas, TX

Post Number: 4762
Registered: May-04

Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 05:03 pm:

"You'd be surprised how different tweeters sound when comparing them across various different brands/styles. The same goes with the mids, and low frequency drivers."

Why would that suprise any of us?

Barnacle

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Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 05:33 pm:

"You'd be surprised how different tweeters sound when comparing them across various different brands/styles. The same goes with the mids, and low frequency drivers."

Damn! Is that why different speakers sound different?

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Username: Paul_ohstbucks

Post Number: 1759
Registered: Jan-05

Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 06:37 pm:

Since nobody in this forum pays attention or listens closely, I guess nobody cares how speakers sound. Anything small enough to fit the speakerstand would probably do??

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Username: Devils_advocate

Post Number: 109
Registered: Jul-05

Posted on Monday, August 01, 2005 - 07:06 pm:

"Since nobody in this forum pays attention or listens closely, I guess nobody cares how speakers sound."

Surely. All we care about is if our wives will approve of them.

"Anything small enough to fit the speakerstand would probably do??"

Well it has to look halfway decent too.

Stu Pitt

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Username: Stu_pitt

NYC, NY

Post Number: 348
Registered: May-05

Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 11:44 am:

The only thing I look for when buying a speaker is an orange ring around the woofers. That's what seperates a man's speaker from "pint sized wine and cheese speakers" that your wives will let you have - only if you beg the right way.

Stu Pitt

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Username: Stu_pitt

NYC, NY

Post Number: 349
Registered: May-05

Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 11:50 am:

"Since nobody in this forum pays attention or listens closely, I guess nobody cares how speakers sound."

Is that why you have CV's and Bose?

Thanks for telling us that different speakers sound different. We were just arguing with each other this whole time because we are afraid to argue with our wives about all the toys we're not allowed to have. Now we actually have a leg to stand on when we try to compare differences in speakers.

Jan Vigne

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Username: Jan_b_vigne

Dallas, TX

Post Number: 4777
Registered: May-04

Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 12:55 pm:

"Anything small enough to fit the speakerstand would probably do??"

The only specs you need consider are H, W, D and weight! See, I said that months ago and got booed. Here it comes from Paul and now look at the response! I feel so persecuted!

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Username: Joe_c

Oakwood, Ga

Post Number: 787
Registered: Mar-05

Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 02:32 pm:

I didn't know if anyone had seen Paul's amazing theater, if not here it is:
http://forum.ecoustics.com/cgi-bin/bbs/show.pl?tpc=1&post=377918#POST377918

As far as auditioning tweeters with your earhole inside them, I am not sure how you can discern the differences without every single one of those tweeters on the same exact crossover in the same exact enclosure with the same exact amp. And how is it you can discern any difference at Circuit City anyway, it's like 80db in there on a normal day? Oh well, Paul's setup is like a 1989 mazda 626 with a cosworth racing V8, massive hella foglights , stock transmission from Jeggs catalog, and a rear end from a 1979 yugo. Man that thing flies, would want the family riding in it though.

Paul , you know we love you and all of us missed you while you were gone, we are just so joyus to have you back so that we can rag on you.

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Username: Paul_ohstbucks

Post Number: 1771
Registered: Jan-05

Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 02:43 pm:

I find it interesting that music snobs like yourselves dont care enough about your quality of sound to listen up close to compare and contrast tweeter output of various speakers while shoppng.

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Username: Paul_ohstbucks

Post Number: 1772
Registered: Jan-05

Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 02:48 pm:

Holy crap joe.......
Thanks for reposting that pic......hahahahahahaha
BTW, the easiest and most surfing friendly way to post pics is to save the image location, and simply post that link.
http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/1/147409.jpg

And no, that's not my system......I do have pics over in the HT-Bragging area so you can go look for yourself if you want to see it so darn bad.

Stu Pitt

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Username: Stu_pitt

NYC, NY

Post Number: 352
Registered: May-05

Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 03:38 pm:

Paul - If you're so concerned about sound quality - I know, H/T only - why CV and Bose? Do you mean to tell me there are no better speakers for H/T?

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Username: Joe_c

Oakwood, Ga

Post Number: 799
Registered: Mar-05

Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 04:19 pm:

If I stuck my ear next to a Bose I might lose my hearing.

Mike

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Username: Stereo_genious

USA

Post Number: 34
Registered: Jul-05

Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 05:21 pm:

Paul, I do really like those Cerwin Vegas you have, but I really hate Bose.

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Username: Paul_ohstbucks

Post Number: 1775
Registered: Jan-05

Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 06:31 pm:

I bought the bose back speakers for no other reason than they met my restrictive physical application. I needed wallmount speakers of a certain size and shape for the available space above a pair of doors, and bought whatever I could find that met those needs. For that purpose they serve in their 'backup' role, they do their job. Luckily, their job doesnt doesnt have large requirements.

As for the CVs???? As soon as I find something that impresses me, I'll buy it. Just like I did with the SVS once I was finally impressed by another sub. Before that date, every sub I've ever heard sounded like crap. To this point in time, that's how other speakers sound to my ears........CRAP.

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Username: Devils_advocate

Post Number: 125
Registered: Jul-05

Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 06:36 pm:

I'm still surprised you didn't like any of the Def Tech bipolar powered towers. I figured they would have been right up your alley.

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Username: Paul_ohstbucks

Post Number: 1777
Registered: Jan-05

Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 07:13 pm:

I listened to some, and they sounded OK, but nothing to write home about. Their specs read much better than they sound. The ones I listened to claimed to go down to 13hz................LOL

They were full of crap. The specs were great reading, but in reality it was more like a science fiction novel. Plus.....they werent loud enough, and you'd need guidewires to keep that skinny looking 'rail/tower' from tipping over.

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Username: Devils_advocate

Post Number: 127
Registered: Jul-05

Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 07:27 pm:

I just meant the combo of bipolar design and the integrated powered sub. But yeah, you definately can't buy speakers off a piece of paper.

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Username: Paul_ohstbucks

Post Number: 1779
Registered: Jan-05

Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 07:36 pm:

I liked the part that included a powered sub, but disliked the bipolar design. Im not a fan of bipolar speakers, and I'll probably never own a pair. Now that I have the SVS, the DTech speakers arent even a potential candidate.

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Username: Devils_advocate

Post Number: 128
Registered: Jul-05

Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 07:50 pm:

Out of curiousity, what qualities specific to the D-9's are you looking for? You've stated "big sound" before, but bipolar designs are known for giving off fairly big sound fields which is why I figured they might interest you.

oknessaD

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Username: Oknessad

Post Number: 80
Registered: May-04

Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 08:00 pm:

Regarding "testing" a speaker by putting your ear very close to the speaker to listen to the different drivers.... Fine, you may hear differences in various mids tweeters etc across companies and no one will argue with that. They have different crossover points, different driver materials, weights, sizes and on and on. This makes testing this way pretty pointless because even if you found a mid driver that sounded really nice from 6 inches away, it wouldn't mean crap when you sat down and listened to the whole speaker like you're supposed to. Speaker companies aren't designing a speaker to be listened to one driver at a time. Your thoughts Paul?

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Username: Paul_ohstbucks

Post Number: 1780
Registered: Jan-05

Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 08:12 pm:

What can I say???

To put it in the simplest terms as possible, I'm waiting for something to 'wow' me, and it hasnt happened yet.

If something does catch my attention, I have no hesitation in making a change.(IE...the svs) I think my speakers do a much better job with movies than all of you give credit, and that's why nothing impresses me enough to pull the trigger on something new.

For me....going 'out' to the movies is a big downer and nothing but a large audio disappointment.

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Username: Devils_advocate

Post Number: 131
Registered: Jul-05

Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 08:23 pm:

I do actually believe that one thing CV does well is HT, and I wouldn't fault you for keeping yours since they are for that specific purpose.

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Username: Paul_ohstbucks

Post Number: 1781
Registered: Jan-05

Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 08:24 pm:

"Speaker companies aren't designing a speaker to be listened to one driver at a time. Your thoughts Paul?"
----------------------------
True, but I think doing both is a better way to evaluate a speakers output. Any weakness in the quality of a tweeter is much more obvious close up. Please tell me that you arent assuming that I dont also evaluate speakers from a reagular listening distance???

Common sense should tell you that I'm NOT trying to evaluate the speaker aspects mentioned above while at close range.

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Username: T_bomb25

Dayton, Ohio
United States

Post Number: 484
Registered: Jun-05

Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 08:33 pm:

I do agree that the CVs are good for H/T.But Paul Im not trying to complicate your life or anything like that,but dont you listen to music?

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Username: Paul_ohstbucks

Post Number: 1784
Registered: Jan-05

Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 08:45 pm:

No....
Not with my HT.

Occasionally through the computer while I'm pecking away here, or in the car, but that's about it.

I'll drag my massive vintage early '80s boombox outside if I'm cleaning the garage or working on something outside the house.......does that count??

HEH

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Username: T_bomb25

Dayton, Ohio
United States

Post Number: 486
Registered: Jun-05

Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 09:02 pm:

Well,Paul maybe you need a new hobby,maybe its time for a new 2 channel setup.I dont use my H/T for music either because it is inferior for that.So I can understand you on that note.Well Paul I would hate to interrupt your explosions,but 2 channel is calling you man!

Mike

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Username: Stereo_genious

USA

Post Number: 38
Registered: Jul-05

Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 09:09 pm:

Paul, I'd give your Bose speakers an A for appearance, but I'm gonna have to give them an F for performance. But those Cerwin Vegas of yours are just too cool!

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Username: Joe_c

Oakwood, Ga

Post Number: 807
Registered: Mar-05

Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 10:00 pm:

Wow Tawaun, I would have never thought to suggest that. Paul that is a wonderful idea, get back into music like you used to be. I bet you that you'd absolutely switch gears if you found the right separate system for music and pulled out the old stuff. It is heaven, plus it's two sep. systems. Can't get much more flashy. I know I love it.

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Username: Devils_advocate

Post Number: 137
Registered: Jul-05

Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 10:06 pm:

LOL. I can envision Paul right now with a pair of Paradigm Atoms sitting in a closet enjoying some good old chamber music.

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Username: Joe_c

Oakwood, Ga

Post Number: 809
Registered: Mar-05

Posted on Tuesday, August 02, 2005 - 10:09 pm:

I think Paul would like some Dunlavy's powered by the biggest Mac in the world.