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Larry R Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Monday, October 25, 2004 - 12:28 am: |
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Jan - well-written. No further comments needed.
Kegger - if I had a setup like yours strewn about the living room - well, my wife would likely rearrange parts of my anatomy that you don't even want to think about! G R I N
I'd like to compliment you - but frankly, I'm speechless. Looks like you're eating well, though! (double grin) |
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Larry R Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Monday, October 25, 2004 - 12:40 am: |
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Rantz, my good long-distance friend - you need to do what Jan V. strongly urged me to do earlier today - listen to more music! Stop trying to evaluate tweaks - just take the advice of Uncle Jan in Dallas and Uncle Lar in Swampville: "vote early and often and never, ever let 'em see you sweat!"
Oh, yes - Jan IS just as good looking as he was 20 years ago - he told me so!!! (0.7?) Hmmm. . .
I, of course, am not. Sigh. But then I'm MUCH older than Jan! (he told me that, too!)
You want some fascinating music, take Ojo's advice and round up one of Claude Bolling's CDs - I like the one for flute and jazz piano. Think you will, too. Bolling weaves jazz with light classical interpretations, and all comes out quite lyrical and just "fun."
More anon. . . |
Gold Member Username: Kegger
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Post Number: 1703
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| Posted on Monday, October 25, 2004 - 12:47 am: |
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I do consider myself lucky larry.
I have a descent understanding of electronics.
I can solder with the best of them.
As of now my job pays pretty good. "and i don't mind it"
I'm in fairly good health. "could loose some weight"
My bills are upto date.
I love doing electronic projects.
feel very lucky to live in a country like the u.s.
AND THE WHOLE BASEMEANT IS MINE! "need the whole thing for my experiments"
I know most of you on this thread are happily married
and from the way many talk are lucky to have the spouses
that you have and enjoy 1 anothers company.
I ENVY THAT!
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Larry R Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Monday, October 25, 2004 - 12:55 am: |
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Kegger - please refrain from mentioning weight loss - it makes me cry! (grin)
And I envy you, sir, in your ability to "solder with the best of them." Way, way back in the darker ages I used to build such things as "Heathkits," and spent a goodly amount of time cleaning up excess solder and replacing capacitors that I'd "fried." Hmmm. . . I think soldering must be a talent, like violin-playing?
And ah, yes - basements. Here in Swampville if we tried to have a basement - well, we'd just have a built-in swimming pool! The water table here is about two feet under the surface - and basements are NOT an option! (grin)
Happy testing. . . |
Gold Member Username: John_a
Post Number: 2336
Registered: Dec-03
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| Posted on Monday, October 25, 2004 - 03:01 am: |
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Catching up is hard to do. As the Righteous, or possibly Walker, brothers, might have sung.
Ghia,
I am with you. And with Jan. However, I depair at what politicians are doing to exploit the hostages to their personal advantage. In UK the Defence Secretary claims that only his political party is concerned with the execution of a man from Liverpool. And said man's relatives and friends are still grieving. The same unspeakably callous oaf appeared on TV the day David Kelly's body was discovered, to claim Kelly had been driven to suicide by the BBC, then he went to see his widow for a personal chat. There are no words for guys like that. And he is still in office. Not to mention the timing of deployment of The Black Watch to N. Iraq. Really.
There is an argument, of course, that diverting the world's media, and even mudane discussions such as ours, is precisely what the terrorists want. It is not, then, a bad thing to carry on discussing music and sound quality. It does not at all mean we are not concerned about other things, too. One of Mrs T's memorable phrases, about the IRA, was that they should be deprived of the oxygen of publicity. There is something in that.
I am going to change gear. No choice.
I am so glad you liked that DVD, Ghia. I thought the interview was cool. As I said before, it changed my mind about Gus and Alma. Did you notice the naughty word Rattle used to describe the Adagietto? I think my mother-in-law is in love with Simon Rattle.
Jan,
Now, your views on SPL meters are well-known. Can you explain why an amp needs to have meters on the front? What are they measuring? What do they tell us, and what are we suppose to do about it?
Thanks for the comparison chart. I forgot the word "portable" before "MP3 player". Anyone dedicated enough to carry around a McIntosh MVP851 DVD / CD Audio Video Player with power supply, attached to his/her belt, for listening on headphones, deserves only deep respect and admiration.
It seems that McIntosh has not implemented SACD, either. That puts them in with Arcam, Naim, Merdian. I agree about Linn, not what it once was. They left the path of wisdom when they started making CDs, in my opinion.
Start of rant.
BTW I understand top-range Volvos now have a Dolby Prologic sound system installed and wired in. That is about what I would expect. Wonder where they put the centre speaker?
The general sales pitch discloses a Volvo driver as someone who cannot tell whether the engine is running; whether the car is moving; is blindly oblivious to pedestrians, cyclists, etc.; whether (s)he is driving with the tailgate open; and who has not got enough sense to switch the lights on when it gets dark, to see and be seen. It is a wonder they do not have the wipers on all the time, in case it rains, and the driver fails to notice (s)he can't see the road any more. My general conslusion is that such people should not be driving cars at all. Not on public roads. The last V*lv* I hired had chronic oversteer, having been designed by a committee, I think, half of which expected it to be front wheel drive. They probably had a vote to keep the transmission shaft when the original designers were at their summer houses. And the battery of warning lights. "Do you know you are in reverse gear?" "Of course I bl••dy well do; I put there - who's driving this thing?" They are made in The Netherlands because of labour costs, AL.
Not as bad as the Ford Escape (what a name) I drove in Canada. It warned me every time I put on the handbrake. The footbrake is for slowing down. Keeping the car stationary is the job of the handbrake. The latter is correctly applied e.g. at traffic lights. Every road junction, I had to endure this beeping noise, until in the end I gave up and did what they wanted, and held it with the footbrake. All those wretched warning lights and beepers made it nearly impossible to drive safely. It even had a beeper to tell you you were going backwards, if you didn't know, and how close you were to something behind. For people who had never worked out what the rear-view mirror was for, I guess.
Sorry, Larry knows my sensitivity about brake pedals.
I suppose everyone know the difference between a porcupine and a Volvo full of academics.
End of rant.
God, that feels better. |
Gold Member Username: John_a
Post Number: 2337
Registered: Dec-03
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| Posted on Monday, October 25, 2004 - 03:09 am: |
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Kegger,
Great photo. I had not seen it when I went into that last post. Those golden-looking bass-midrange units do not seem to have cones. ?
I too find that beer is a good Cd enhancer.
I think the Good Life must be having a family AND a basement to do experiments. |
Gold Member Username: John_a
Post Number: 2338
Registered: Dec-03
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| Posted on Monday, October 25, 2004 - 03:17 am: |
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Kegger,
Going back to October 21, 2004 - 01:11 am, what are those seven South Park characters doing standing around the room, watching you listen? |
Silver Member Username: Myrantz
Post Number: 934
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| Posted on Monday, October 25, 2004 - 04:00 am: |
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"It even had a beeper to tell you you were going backwards, if you didn't know, and how close you were to something behind."
I agree about many of the silly warning signals except for the one above - if it warns only one more child that it's father is about to back over it, then it's a very worthwhile safety option. Just this weekend another child was killed by his father in such a manner. It happens all to often.
Let's keep the reversing signals no matter how annoying. Not everyone is always as observant as they should be.
Re: Volvos.
Years ago here in Aus if one saw a driver either wearing a hat or had one positioned on the rear deck, it was a sign to steer clear. If one came close to someone driving a Morris 1100 the warning was similar. If someone was close to a Morris 1100 driver with a hat then it was probably too late.
Now the same rules apply to Volvo drivers under any condition. But, as Dudley Moore said in the movie "Crazy People": Volvos - they're boxy but they're good!
Maybe having the edges rounded off a bit they might lose their inglorius rep.
Re: McIntosh Audio products.
If one cares to check the prices here in Aus you'll understand the lack of interest - also our population is too small to find any on the second hand market - that is, provided anyone in this country has had the funds to purchase a Mac kit. Sixty Minutes told us that we spend more on our pets than we do on foreign aide. Well, charity begins at home I guess.
http://www.mcintosh.net.au
Politics re: Iraq - best to talk to those who have had to live under the dark cloud of Husseins tyranny imo.
My Rantz & Raves
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Gold Member Username: John_a
Post Number: 2339
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| Posted on Monday, October 25, 2004 - 05:37 am: |
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My Rantz,
"Politics re: Iraq - best to talk to those who have had to live under the dark cloud of Husseins tyranny imo"
I totally agree. But they are sending out mixed signals. Some of the people who lived under Hussein have just attacked an Australian regiment, for example. And the voices heard most clearly around the world are the ones on those obscene videos being distributed, for provocation. This hardly counts as being welcomed as bringers of peace, justice and democracy.
Actually, you know, the Morris 1100 was a hazard when driven by anyone. But the Morris 1000, there was a car.
The point about reversing a car is that you know you have restricted vision. Check there is no-one behind before reversing. Go slowly. Turn round and look behind, with the rear window clear (free of hats etc); don't even rely on the mirror; that is for checking what's behind you when you are moving forwards. If you can't see that the path of the vehicle is clear, such as in a van with no rear window, get someone you can trust to stand where they can see it, and follow his/her directions.
Not wishing to get solemn, a warning buzzer can make things more dangerous; not less. It can do that by giving the driver the impression he has an all-clear to reverse, even if he can't see where the car is going. My general opinion is that Volvo "safety" features are there for the driver whose main concern is that nothing can be proved to be his fault.
Nice McIntosh link. Yes, if I had that much to spend on hifi I think there is much more from which to choose. I still wonder what the meters are for. Marantz amps had those, too. Also Denon. I can see some point of signal level meters on tape recorders, but not on amps. |
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Larry R Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Monday, October 25, 2004 - 08:10 am: |
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John A. - sorry, but I must side with those who favor backup signals. Because there are too many people who are not as intelligent or careful as you are. Here, trucks above a certain weight are mandated to have the things. While they are noisy and to many people objectionable, they have been proven to save many lives. Newspaper interviews over the years have pointed that out - and I, myself, have been saved by their use.
Drivers - either elderly or kids - too often are in a hurry to get somewhere, and simply put the car in reverse, and hit the accelerator. And if a slow dog or small child happens to be under the driver's "radar," too bad.
Here in SW Florida there are many very, very old people who insist on driving, though they wind up daily on the "accident" listings. There is a running "joke" in the press about shrunk-down people driving huge cars - you see these cars on the road all the time, but cannot see a driver. Said driver is so short that he/she can barely see where they are going - let alone behind their vehicle.
One day I was walking to my car - from the grocery store, I believe - when I saw two of these "little old people" backing out of their respective parking places - slowly, fortunately.
As they were on opposite sides of the lane, they backed right into each other - and then kept gunning their engines, not understanding I guess that they couldn't go farther because there was a big wall of steel blocking their path!
Ah! But you may argue that backup beepers wouldn't have helped, because they probably couldn't hear them, either! Maybe so - but those beepers would have saved injury to errant pedestrians who dare - like me - to actually walk through these Florid-Duh! parking lots! (grin)
(see Larry put big foot on brake - and push!!)
Shifting gears - ahem - John, those meters and blue lights and blinking LEDs are all there because many people actually love to sit down, pop open a brew, put on a CD, then gaze fondly at their stereo gear as though it were some kind of Buddha - as, indeed, many people admit. They LOVE their amps and players because of sleek design and those marvelous lights and thangs that go swish-swish in the night. Rationality has nothing with it to do, my friend! (double grin)
And good morning to you, sir! I intend to stay out of the Iraq discussions, mainly because Mer says I get too upset, and then have three teu mannie m-aaartiinies. Uh. . .
More anon - with great respect. |
Larry R Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Monday, October 25, 2004 - 08:17 am: |
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OK, John - what IS the difference between a p-pine and a car full of academics?
Ball in your court. . . (grin)
(another grin) |
Silver Member Username: Myrantz
Post Number: 935
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| Posted on Monday, October 25, 2004 - 09:11 am: |
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"The point about reversing a car is that you know you have restricted vision. Check there is no-one behind before reversing. Go slowly. Turn round and look behind, with the rear window clear (free of hats etc); don't even rely on the mirror; that is for checking what's behind you when you are moving forwards. If you can't see that the path of the vehicle is clear, such as in a van with no rear window, get someone you can trust to stand where they can see it, and follow his/her directions."
Gee, thanks for telling me that John. Obviously I don't need to remind you how daft I am at times - it's truly amazing I don't keep backing over kids running out behind my car. That great info would have helped me to get top marks 35 years ago when applying for my drivers licence.
Remember John, not every driver is as astute as you. Not every driver will scan the immediate area quite as well as you might. Not every driver will forsee the old lady who is a little lost in space step out behind the car as it begins to reverse. If only the sound of a backing signal snapped the child to attention and made him decide to stand up and be seen as dad was backing down the driveway feeling secure in the knowlege all his charges were safely tucked away inside the house. Yes, the stupid moron should have done a driveway walk first just in case - but the innocent kid still died from a crushed skull. Lock the idiot father up for twenty-five years to make sure he suffers for his sin!
What should be and what is John are rarely the same thing IMO! |
Master Po Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Monday, October 25, 2004 - 09:14 am: |
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What DO you know of Buddha, grasshopper? |
Forum admirer Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Monday, October 25, 2004 - 09:53 am: |
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Master Po - sir, if you have something to add to our discussion, please state it. Otherwise, please take your comments to one of those "lesser" forums, such as Audioholics, where snide remarks are welcome.
Respectfully, |
Larry R Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Monday, October 25, 2004 - 10:07 am: |
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Ojo, et al - my, what a happy time this ayem, when, thanks to your "prodding," I am playing the Claude Bolling discs! Mer always loved them, and said they made her feel "happy and warm." Hmmm. now down heah in Swampville, the "warm" part is not needed! (grin)
Am going onto Amazon to look up the other discs you mention - and will surely wind up adding them to my collection, even though (sigh) they are not in SACD format - at least not yet!
"Going to Amazon" is always scary for me, because I seem to lose what self-control I have, and a few days later - ding - I have a nice, large brown box on my doorstep, and an inquiring wife: "well, Lar, what did you order NOW?!?"
Hmmm. . . bet NOBODY else on this forum has that problem, right?
Restraint not being my strong suit, I must be careful here.
GHIA - upon your response and comments, I shall indeed look for the Rattle/Mahler - it is always a good thing for me to hear/read comments on a particular recording - makes it somehow validated more than a third-hand "review" in magazines or Online.
More anon. . . |
Gold Member Username: John_a
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| Posted on Monday, October 25, 2004 - 10:44 am: |
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MR and Larry,
Point well taken. I certainly agree with beepers warning people, expecially children, behind, of a vehicle approaching, in reverse gear. I was thinking of the alarm, inside the cab or car, reporting to the driver that the thing is moving backwards. If the driver did not already know that, the problem is serious, I think, and cannot be addressed with alarms.
A lady over the road from us often comes gunning out of her driveway in reverse, without even looking over her shoulder. There is only so much you can do with technology and gadgets. The real problem is drivers.
Thank you for rising to the bait, Larry.
But you've got to promise not to take offence, and stop posting!
A: The porcupine has the pr*cks on the OUTside. |
Gold Member Username: John_a
Post Number: 2341
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| Posted on Monday, October 25, 2004 - 10:53 am: |
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Larry,
This is really nice.
According to http://babelfish.altavista.com/tr, your "Jamaica Farewell" comes back from the Dutch as follows:-
I am this way only, thus very only
because I miss something beautiful for me
gone my heart that cries, I feel myself dark and down
I left my little girl behind ginds, in Kingston-town |
Gold Member Username: Kegger
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Post Number: 1704
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| Posted on Monday, October 25, 2004 - 10:59 am: |
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john:
"Great photo. I had not seen it when I went into that last post. Those golden-looking bass-midrange units do not seem to have cones. ?"
If you have not seen any drivers that have the flat dust
covers they can look a little strange.
They are suppose to give a more even dispersion and add to
the overall strength of the unit. "who knows they look and work nice"
Those are the klipsch rb-35's very efficent,sound good and can take
a beating. Those are my rear centers. "7.1"
http://www.klipsch.com/product/product.aspx?cid=659§ion=specs
"Going back to October 21, 2004 - 01:11 am, what are those seven South Park characters doing standing around the room, watching you listen?"
your right I never noticed it before they do look like south
park dudes! lol
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Larry R Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Monday, October 25, 2004 - 11:02 am: |
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John A. - L O L - luv it, luv it, luv it - and no offense (Amerikan spelling) John - and I know Mer will love it, too. She is a very "enlightened" person - having lived with a news reporter for some 23 years, she HAS to be!!!
But news reporters - especially anchor-people - don't necessarily have to be bright - take the well-known(?) story of the first anchorman ever in space.
There they are - a Russian Cosmonaut, an American Astronaut - and the anchorman. In low orbit around earth - their final goal up to them to decide.
The American (bullying his way in first, of course!) says: "As I see it, we must go back to the moon. After all, there's gold left there, and live TV so everybody on Earth can see us, and heck, there's even a car!"
Silence, then the Russian chimes in: "Typical short-sighted American thinking! If we are going to break records and become famous there is only one place for us to go - Mars!"
Gasps from the other two, then silence. Finally, the anchorman says: "you are both wrong-headed here. To become truly famous, there is only one place for us to go - the Sun!"
"What?!?" the others challenge. "You're out of your mind! If we get within even a million miles of the Sun we'll burn to a crisp!"
The anchorman motions for silence and says:"Oh, I've thought of that - but I also have the answer to your challenge - WE GO AT NIGHT!"
See - that's the kind of thinking that I've been around a long, long time, John. No wonder I'm warped! GRIN
More anon. . . (unless I've been killed by then) |
Larry R Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Monday, October 25, 2004 - 11:04 am: |
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John A. - with that translation, no wonder the Dutch are no longer a world power! (grin) |
Larry R Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Monday, October 25, 2004 - 11:12 am: |
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Kegger - my friend, as one who understands music more than electronics (which all of you must realize by now!) I've got a question.
You have the grills, or dust covers, OFF your speakers. Aside from inviting damage by flying objects (you DO occasionally get angry and toss those beer bottles? GRIN) what difference does it make in sound quality?
I have read many places that to get "clean" sound, remove the grills. Well, I've tried that, and never heard any difference. What am I missing here, sir?
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Gold Member Username: Kegger
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Post Number: 1705
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| Posted on Monday, October 25, 2004 - 11:30 am: |
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well lar several factors come into play in regards to grills.
depending on how they are designed.
can cause: defraction,muffled sound,boomy bass or many other
anomalies.
some manufacturers take the time to design a grill that
limits it's "bad qualities" some even design
with the grill in mind and it's part of the design of
the speaker. some even go as far as voicing the speaker with
and or without the grill so you will have a certain advantage or
disadvantage to the grill being on or off.
but I would say most speakers will perform better with
nothing in front of their drivers. main resons being defraction and
the restriction of the sonics getting through the cloth.
Personally lar I have speant a lot of time and money
on my electronics. so I don't throw things and have
no kids nor do any kids come into my basemeant.
"I have some stupid friends though that I have to watch"
Sometimes they can't seem to understand what all this stuff intails!
Not to mention I like to look at the pretty drivers!
Kinda like all the pretty gauges and lights on the electronics.
Like you said look really cool with the lights dimmed and your
sitting back with your favorite beverage!
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Gold Member Username: Kegger
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Post Number: 1706
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| Posted on Monday, October 25, 2004 - 11:47 am: |
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also larry I have an equalizer with a pink noise generator that also
has a calibration microphone.
When I test speakers there is quite a bit of difference in the
measuremeants with and without the grills. So I design/voice
my speakers without the grills on.
Now you could try to get an average measurement and design
for a middle ground "which some manufacturers may do"
but from what i've been told manufactures usually
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Silver Member Username: Myrantz
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| Posted on Monday, October 25, 2004 - 11:50 am: |
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Master Po
"What DO you know of Buddha, grasshopper?"
Was he not the old fat bald guy who said, "When girl is pretty as picture - usually have nice frame!"
John A
I have two feet on the brakes. Sorry I misunderstood your internal warning signal for the external one. But your response seemed so condescending I simply had to dive right in.
Larry,
Sorry I missed your thread "Monday, October 25, 2004 - 12:40 am"
The fact is I have been listening to a lot of music - too much if there is such a thing! Actually, for me it is a trap: working from home has advantages but often motivation has to be forced fed.
Pledge: I did make a pledge to try Pledge but typically, the referred spray seems absent from the furniture polish shelves in our locale. Will keep trying as I am interested to see if I can hear any improvement on some older cd's.
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Gold Member Username: Kegger
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| Posted on Monday, October 25, 2004 - 12:02 pm: |
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Actually rantz I mistook johns response too.
But after realizing what john meant i have to side with him.
I hate those backup beepers. "yu know the ones to say your backing up"
The ones to let you know something is there are a great idea.
"as long people don't take it for granted that if it doesn't
beep there must not be anything there" like john said!
You still have to use your brain!
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J. Vigne Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Monday, October 25, 2004 - 12:04 pm: |
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"Can you explain why an amp needs to have meters on the front? What are they measuring? What do they tell us, and what are we suppose to do about it?"
Once again the answer to the question posed is; it depends. On a McIntosh amplifier they are intended to be used primarily by the tecnicians that reqire a measuring tool to evaluate what amount of voltage is coming from the amplifier. Switching is provided to adjust the sensitivty of the meters to several ranges. Mac does have, still, a loyal group of people who purchase McIntosh equipment for its accuracy in something other than a consumer audio context. Would this be the only way to measure the output of the amplifier? Most likely not, but it is a tool for those that wish to use it as such.
For the consumer the meters are generally not as useful simply because people don't pay attention to the meters. When you consider the difference between 600 and 1200 watts is 3 dB, it is very easy for an amplifier to be overdriven by large peaks in the program material. While most people won't notice extremely short periods of clipping the meters should be used as a warning that you have run out of power. The McIntosh Power Guard system will not allow the amp to clip, even monentarily, but the warning should be heeded by the user that there is no more power to be had from the amplifier. But, most people ignore the warning lights on the amp just as the do the "idiot lights" on the dashbord of their car.
For the salesperson they are a selling tool. Not only does the amplifier with meters look more business like to many consumers, the amp without meters next to it doesn't seem to be worth as much when it is bare metal. More importantly the meters can be used to show the effectiveness of the Power Guard circuitry on a Mac amp. And it can be used to sell other equipment. I think I gave this example before but for those that have not read it:
In selling two speakers powered by the Mac amplifier the meters were placed on "peak hold". The finally minutes of "The Firebird Suite" were played over both speakers. The first speaker, a TDL transmission line monitor at 84 dB efficiency, required more than the 200 watts the amplifier could produce cleanly, pegging the meters at their post on the right hand side ( / ). The power of the drum whack was impressive in the room. The Klipschorn was played next with the same passage. At 104 dB efficiency the Klipsch required less than 20 watts to move the pantlegs of those in the room. The meters had barely moved ( \ ).
As a selling tool the meters were effective in demonstrating the amount of power required to reproduce music at a "normal" listening level. (This doesn't apply to the maniacs in the room such as John.) For most clients the power they would normally use is often under ten watts. But, to demonstrate the amount of power a large peak requires, the meters could easily peg at over 100 watts. If you are McIntosh and you are building 100 to 600 watt amplifiers there is a good reason to put meters on the front of your amplifier.
The final reason for meters is what I explained to Kegger. If there are no meters, someone has to look to see you own McIntosh. With big, blue meters anyone walking in the room can see you own the best. And as any salesperson knows the best selling tool is often S-E-X! If you don't think the meters have been used to sell the idea that the little lady you invited to your Play-boy (somehow I knew it wouldn't accept that word. Screw it!) Mansion isn't going to see those big meters and assume everything else in your life is big ...
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Larry R Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Monday, October 25, 2004 - 12:05 pm: |
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Rantz - YEP - that's the guy! U got it, friend! He's the same guy who said: "girl who fly upside down. . ."
Kegger - hope you know (you surely do) that my comment re bottle-tossing was tongue-in-cheek? (hurts, btw) Don't have whatever a "pink noise" thang is - but I'll give it another shot, and try to see/hear if grill-off is better. What am I listening for - cleaner sound?
Oh, yes - one important point - Mer says she HATES the look of the Polks without grills. Sigh.
John A. - yep again - wurkin at home does have its major disadvantages, such as a too-close refrigerator, having to constantly get up to change CDs, and being naturally curious about what is happening on this forum! May I just say to all of you, BTW, that after "sampling" many forums re the Vivid (shhhh) questions, this forum has the brightest, classiest folk around! Don't hurt yourselves when trying to self-pack-pat.
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Silver Member Username: Arnold_layne
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| Posted on Monday, October 25, 2004 - 12:06 pm: |
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VOLVO!! AGAIN??
Academicsss and whimsssiesss?
My father is a self-made man who didn't go beyond 7th grade, my brother works in a pulp-and paper factory. I went to university, but did all maintenance on my Volvo myself. Including carburator preps and installing a 5-shift gearbox. And oversteering cars with efficient handbrake on wintery roads can be real fun, believe me. Gentlemen, stereotypes once again bite the dust. Now, isn't that yet another argument for exploring the world through many channels? ;-)
Changing subject totally: the following not is not Dutch, it was sent to me from Pioneer Belgium. But could anydoggy help me out with the translation?
"Ik heb deze mail al drie maal geforward naar Spanje (ook met de vermelding
dat de upload beschikbaar is in EU),
maar blijkbaar ontvangt de persoon niet terug.
Kan jij soms een antwoord formuleren?"
I catch some words of course, but cannot get the big picture.
Thanks
AL |
Larry R Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Monday, October 25, 2004 - 12:07 pm: |
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Uh (blush) make that "self-Back-pat." Duh |
Larry R Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Monday, October 25, 2004 - 12:09 pm: |
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AL - I "think" it says "do not bleach."
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Silver Member Username: Myrantz
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| Posted on Monday, October 25, 2004 - 12:20 pm: |
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Kegger
Agreed. I don't know about your neck of the woods but here there's not too many drivers who have brains.
I too calibrate and do the serious listening with speaker grills removed. There is an audible difference. My wife agrees - thank goodness: I hate it when she says I'm hearing things. Anyhow I think the laws of physics would have to confirm our opinions.
Larry,
You could try cleaning the saratoga scales from your grills for a cleaner sound :-)
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Silver Member Username: Arnold_layne
Madrid
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| Posted on Monday, October 25, 2004 - 12:46 pm: |
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Thanks Larry. It's about my DV-565A, so they're probably trying make me destroy it in laundry machine and buy the new model ;-) |
Gold Member Username: Kegger
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| Posted on Monday, October 25, 2004 - 01:00 pm: |
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Yes larry I took your remark as tounge and cheek.
Just wanted to get the point accross that I try to be
careful around my equipment.
Things to look for with grills off. Two that should be
fairly easy to tell would be imaging and the highend/treble.
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Jan also I'm not sure what you meant by
"The final reason for meters is what I explained to Kegger"
Well I have been a praponent of meters or anything else
that can make 1 unit stand out from the others for many many years!
Personally I look for that stuff. That is one of the reasons why
I like the se-40's so much , there beautiful and the reason
why I'm changing all my leds to blue. Also why I like that the
B&K ref 31 has a blue readout and blue led. I'm going to try and
get as much of my equipment to have blue as i can , just like the
way it looks!
Many pieces of equipment sound good but I want my stuff to look good too.
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Larry I heard many women don't like the look of speakers with the grills off!
I guess another reason I'm lucky!
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Silver Member Username: Ojophile
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Registered: Jun-04
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| Posted on Monday, October 25, 2004 - 01:18 pm: |
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[Kegger: Not to mention I like to look at the pretty drivers!]
I hope you don't when you're driving in reverse?
(just kidding, dude; the topic about Volvo's and backup signals threw me off kilter for a while)
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Silver Member Username: Rh1
Post Number: 325
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| Posted on Monday, October 25, 2004 - 01:18 pm: |
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J. Vigne...I know you have mentioned you live in the Dallas area, have you been to Ultimate Electronics? My father lives in Mesquite and I was visiting him this weekend, I was quite shocked to see the level of equipment this store carries. It's similar in size to a BestBuy but with much better equipment and listening/viewing areas. Just to name a few things, they have Def Techs supertowers and the Mythos line, also they have KEF Ref 205. If you have not been there, it's worth a trip 
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J. Vigne Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Monday, October 25, 2004 - 01:36 pm: |
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I've been to Ultimate, to kill time mostly. Nice store with decent lines, much better than BB or CC. The personell seems to have a high turn over in the store I go to in Cedar Hill. Knowledge isn't their strong suit, but, again, better than the other big boxes. My friends in the industry tell me opening the Dallas area has been a large mistake for Ultimate. Stock numbers are down considerably and sales not doing that well.
Dallas is and has been and will remain a very odd city for many businesses. Lots of audio companies have come and gone through Dallas. Dallas has been the straw that broke many. We are swimming in money in certain areas of the city, but, that doesn't mean the money gets spent in Dallas.
I still prefer the small, personal audio stores that I started selling in. They are, like many small businesses, becoming a thing of the past.
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Silver Member Username: Rh1
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| Posted on Monday, October 25, 2004 - 01:46 pm: |
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Yep I agree, smaller stores are much better. Here in Atlanta there aren't that many in the smaller market, unfortunately the larger stores don't carry anything worth listening too really. It was nice to see Ultimate carried the Mythos line and KEF since there aren't any dealers here that carry these. i was suprised to see their line of receivers were Yamaha/Denon and then jumped to the Sunfire Ultimate receiver. Seemed a bit strange considering some of the speaker lines they had were Klipsh and Infinity. Then again they had a dedicated Bose room, go figure. |
Silver Member Username: Arnold_layne
Madrid
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| Posted on Monday, October 25, 2004 - 01:46 pm: |
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John, just to prove I'm not a fanatic after all: I'll change car this winter, and one of my first choices has a cat silhouette on the whiskers.
Kegger man, what do women over there opine with their "grills" on? ;-) |
Silver Member Username: Arnold_layne
Madrid
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| Posted on Monday, October 25, 2004 - 01:49 pm: |
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Sorry, couldn't resist... |
Gold Member Username: Kegger
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| Posted on Monday, October 25, 2004 - 02:02 pm: |
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Don RX-1 and Arnold Layne good ones guy's!
I see wer'e getting pretty witty today!
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Silver Member Username: Arnold_layne
Madrid
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| Posted on Monday, October 25, 2004 - 03:19 pm: |
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Just wait until I had another Budweiser. On sale in the supermarket today. Was it Henry Miller or Mae West who said "I can resist everything but temptations"? |
Gold Member Username: John_a
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| Posted on Monday, October 25, 2004 - 03:21 pm: |
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Larry and MR,
All my fault with the reverse beeper. What I wrote was not what I meant. MR, thanks for the warning. Being condescending about Volvos is my way of protecting myself. A sort of overload switch. If I had the money, I'd buy a car, not a lifestyle statement. Especially that one.
Jan,
Thank you. I know choose an amp with meters. It will be on my list. You can download the last ten minutes of the Firebird (is that not a car, too?) in surround from http://www.sr.se/multikanal/english/e_arkiv.stm - legally, and for free, and that must be a good way to blow all six speakers and/or cause any dodgy capacitors to bubble like toasted cheese, and probably smell like it, too. I wonder if there is a 5.1 power amp with six meters. That would impress the girls, surely.
Arnold, you might prefer to get it from
http://www.sr.se/multikanal/svenska/arkiv.stm
...there are some very nice surround demos there, however you say it. I play the channel identification disc from time to time just to hear a nice 08 accent. I suspect your message is in Flemish and is something like this "mail contains a virus and has been deleted from the server". I could be wrong on both counts. There will be others here who will know, really.
Larry,
A self-pack pat is my disingenuous reply at check-ins to "Did you pack this suitcase yourself?"
Grills off. Everytime. Sounds better, it stands to reason. But I think it is correct, as Kegger says, it takes the WAF down a bit. Could be compensated by meters. Or they might make it worse.
OK, OK
"girl who fly upside down. . ."......?
Must go now.
The last bit reminds me of the beautiful graffiti reported somewhere, surely you know.
"I like grils"
Someone crossed out "grils" and wrote " girls", instead, giving "I like girls".
Then, underneath, someone wrote
"What's wrong with us grils?" |
Gold Member Username: John_a
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| Posted on Monday, October 25, 2004 - 03:25 pm: |
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AL,
Oscar Wilde, I think.
Mae West said "Is that a signal level meter on the front, or are you just pleased to see me?" |
Larry R Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Monday, October 25, 2004 - 04:03 pm: |
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John A. | |
