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Silver Member Username: Rick_b
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Post Number: 443
Registered: Dec-03
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| Posted on Sunday, September 12, 2004 - 08:21 am: |
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Well said Jan. I couldn't agree more. |
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Silver Member Username: Ghiacabriolet
NC
Post Number: 361
Registered: Apr-04
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| Posted on Sunday, September 12, 2004 - 09:17 am: |
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MarcC,
Welcome to old dogs. I laughed at your analogy. It is like the Mac said "bring it on", took a beating and got back up, spirit intact. I shudder to think what a NAD, Arcam, Creek etc, would sound like if one of them took the blow the Mac did.
Rick,
On another forum where I was doing some research on turntables, I came across a thread where a group of guys got together for a listening party. They all brought various pieces of equipment to setup for comparison. The piece of equipment that elicited the most comments and biggest surprise for them? Spendors.
All,
I was telling a friend yesterday about getting the Mac and the plan to get a turntable down the road. He has a turntable he will loan to me until he's ready to get his system setup (right now he's distracted by the Dovekie sailboat - an old dog sailboat, for sure - he and his wife just bought). |
Silver Member Username: Ghiacabriolet
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Post Number: 362
Registered: Apr-04
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| Posted on Sunday, September 12, 2004 - 09:47 am: |
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As I look around, it appears I'm in my bedroom. But, the acoustical environment says I must be in "Folsom Prison". lol Hey, is that Glenn Shirley over there? "No laughing during the song, please" |
Silver Member Username: Myrantz
Post Number: 630
Registered: Aug-04
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| Posted on Sunday, September 12, 2004 - 09:47 am: |
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Marc C
If you get involved with these 'Old Dogs' then you're bound to become an deranged audiopath just like them and not even a daily dose of lithium will help you. Don't do it - save yourself!
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Silver Member Username: Myrantz
Post Number: 631
Registered: Aug-04
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| Posted on Sunday, September 12, 2004 - 09:51 am: |
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Ghia,
I have thoughts about a gal in her bedroom thinking about Folsom Prison. I think you should discuss this with the BF.
See what I mean Marc C  |
Silver Member Username: Ghiacabriolet
NC
Post Number: 363
Registered: Apr-04
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| Posted on Sunday, September 12, 2004 - 10:09 am: |
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JohnA,
Interesting report on the wireless system you put in place. Of course, it worked the first time...it's a MacIntosh (the computer company). :-) You are probably right about the direction of the media. For 98% of the listening public, the sound quality of music served up from a computer over a wireless network is acceptable.
In my test of this scenario, using a wired digital audio receiver (Squeezebox/SlimDevice) hooked into the NAD c350, I found a noticeable difference in the sonic ambience between the output of the Squeezebox and the NAD c541i CD player. The CD output was preferrable - even though I was playing .aiff files through the Squeezebox. Maybe the Airport Express Base Station has a better DAC than the Squeezebox.
I think I'll do a Squeezebox/iPod/CD comparison through the McIntosh one night this week. |
Silver Member Username: Ghiacabriolet
NC
Post Number: 364
Registered: Apr-04
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| Posted on Sunday, September 12, 2004 - 10:14 am: |
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MR,
What are those thoughts? lol. Pardon me, need to check out for a moment...June Carter, has joined us in Folsom. As she says "I'm glad to be back in Folsom..." Now, we're going to Jackson. |
Silver Member Username: Myrantz
Post Number: 632
Registered: Aug-04
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| Posted on Sunday, September 12, 2004 - 10:29 am: |
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Ghia
I have thoughts about a woman saying, "I'm glad to be back in Folsom ..."
Maybe I better try some lithium anyway.
Okay. it seems like you're listening to country on the Mac - yeck!
That's for country, not the Mac :-) |
Silver Member Username: Ghiacabriolet
NC
Post Number: 366
Registered: Apr-04
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| Posted on Sunday, September 12, 2004 - 10:47 am: |
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MR,
The Mac doesn't discriminate. He makes everything better. For instance, since I've plugged him in, there have been 3 consecutive days of good weather here. This is too coincidental to be just a coincidence.
Disparaging country! Y'know, I've seen some similar comments from Kegger and JohnA in the past. How do these viewpoints relate to the previously mentioned "judgmental attitudes prevalent in the classical music scene" (remember the "roots" debate on the Discoveries thread). To paraphrase an Aimee Mann song, how is this (country bias) different?
Instead of lithium, please, pick up a copy of "Folsom Prison" and give it a fair listen. Take an afternoon or evening where you can sit and listen from start to finish. Do this at least twice before rendering a final decision. Get past the twang and listen to the message, hear the soulfulness, experience the connection between musician and audience. You may come away with a different perspective. Now, will this make you a fan of country music? Probably not and that's not the intent. But, you stand a good chance of becoming a Johnny Cash fan.
Cheers, my friend! |
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Silver Member Username: Ghiacabriolet
NC
Post Number: 367
Registered: Apr-04
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| Posted on Sunday, September 12, 2004 - 10:51 am: |
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The Mac sequence this morning has been:
Thelonius Monk
Johnny Cash
Tift Merritt (the first cd - the "country" one)
If it's good, it transcends genre and age and technological "advances". |
Silver Member Username: Rick_b
New York
USA
Post Number: 444
Registered: Dec-03
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| Posted on Sunday, September 12, 2004 - 11:09 am: |
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Ghia,
I am glad you are enjoying the Mac sound. As far as your comment regarding the Monitor Audios-I had them on my short list for a time. They are fine speakers, but trust me, no accuracy match for the Spendors. I am still amazed at these little buggers! I just don't gush about them any more, because people will say OK already Rick, enough is enough. I put on Peter Gabriel's "Mercy Street", from the "SO" CD last night. The layering of sound and harmonies was like an out of body experience with these things.
Cheers!
Rantz,
Glad you warned Marc about this group. (LOL!)
Marc C,
Welcome to "Old Dogs". If you love music, and are open to new and old ideas, you are in the right place.
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Silver Member Username: Ghiacabriolet
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Post Number: 368
Registered: Apr-04
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| Posted on Sunday, September 12, 2004 - 11:26 am: |
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Rick,
Thanks again to you and Jan for holding out the pebble! I had heard of McIntosh's reputation but had never heard them. Before I purchased the NAD T763, I purposely avoided the Mac room at the dealer because I didn't want to hear the Mac sound and come away knowing I would have to "settle" for something because I couldn't afford a Mac.
I moved the MA's back to the "main" system in the living room. The B&W's will suffice until I can try out the Spendors.
Jan,
Fascinating story about the Mac clinics. Thanks! |
Gold Member Username: Kegger
MICHIGAN
Post Number: 1490
Registered: Dec-03
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| Posted on Sunday, September 12, 2004 - 11:44 am: |
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hey rick!
I've been listening to a lot of peter gabriel lately
and like you said i never noticed the lathering before.
mainly the strange voices and awsome bass guitar!
my new setup reproduces bass guitar so incredable
that it sounds like someone is right their plying one!
i've been listening to the sacd shaking the tree!
their's multiple voices all over the place i never new before
until now. and never realized the incedable bass work! |
J. Vigne Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Sunday, September 12, 2004 - 12:27 pm: |
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Isn't it in the Constitution, or somewhere, that all amps are created equal? |
Gold Member Username: John_a
Post Number: 2079
Registered: Dec-03
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| Posted on Sunday, September 12, 2004 - 12:46 pm: |
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Ghia,
"Interesting report on the wireless system you put in place.". I didn't do anything except switch on Airport on my Powerbook. Yep, first time. I was even able to listen to a small chunk of "Last Night of the Proms" last night, courtesy of the Real Audio Stream of BBC Radio 3. Atrocious sound, of course, on the built-in speakers, but it kind of makes you feel in touch with homely things.
Jan,
"There are some things that get forgotten in the haze of youth and the old dogs are here to shout about them. Join in if you want or just read along. This is the best thread on the forum."
I second that, with Kegger. Yep.
MR,
You have a way with words, but I think you have it wrong with "Audiopath". The audiopaths are on the MP3 threads, surely?
Marc C,
Yes, welcome. People here are not crazy. Quite on the contrary. They have minds of their own. So be prepared for a good argument now and again. For example, Jan and I still do not agree about the motto "Two channels good; four channels bad", the original proposition (scroll up to "Archive May 23"), but I think I have learned more from arguing here than from a cartload of consensus. |
Gold Member Username: John_a
Post Number: 2080
Registered: Dec-03
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| Posted on Sunday, September 12, 2004 - 12:50 pm: |
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"...all amps are created equal".
But some are more equal than others. |
Silver Member Username: Rick_b
New York
USA
Post Number: 445
Registered: Dec-03
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| Posted on Sunday, September 12, 2004 - 02:28 pm: |
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No John, we are crazy, about good music and good sound.
Do I detect a hint of sarcasm in that statement, Jan? (LOL!)
BTW for all of you non-believers:all amps DO NOT sound the same. A Krell, Proceed, Aragon, and Mac all have their own sonic signature.
Ghia, if faced with a choice, you would choose 2 channel stereo?
I now officially dub thee an "OLD DOG". What happened to that pebble? I had it in my hand a minute ago. Jan, did you see that pebble?
Kegger, I wish you could hear a pair of Spendors with those tubes. WOW!!
Cheers to all the "OD's" |
Silver Member Username: Rick_b
New York
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Post Number: 446
Registered: Dec-03
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| Posted on Sunday, September 12, 2004 - 02:48 pm: |
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Just thought I would share with you the sweetest sound in the world to my ears. My daughters are in the next room having a bout with laughter and the giggles.............. |
Silver Member Username: Ghiacabriolet
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Post Number: 370
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| Posted on Sunday, September 12, 2004 - 03:31 pm: |
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Rick,
That's sweet!
Yes. In a scenario where the only option given to me is to have a single system built from the components I currently own, it would be a Mac/Monitor Audio/NAD c541i setup.
Without a doubt.
Of course, I've heard Mac has a couple of components such as MHT200, MX134, MC206, MC207, etc. Not that I'm considering any of them..... |
Silver Member Username: Ghiacabriolet
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Post Number: 371
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| Posted on Sunday, September 12, 2004 - 03:34 pm: |
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Jan,
I took the Mac out of the cabinet and opened it up. It looks like the chassis is not damaged. There's a couple of control boxes behind the bent control knobs and they are pushed in some but the damage internally appears to be contained to that area. Will take pics once the camera's for the digital camera have recharged. |
J. Vigne Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Sunday, September 12, 2004 - 04:33 pm: |
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John A. -
"'...all amps are created equal'.
But some are more equal than others."
If you look at the beginning of the Republican Party in the U.S.A. that was how they felt too, sorta, kinda. That idea that Negroes were worth 2/3 of a white man didn't come out of nowhere.
Rick - I remember posing the question that basically went; does anyone hear a child's voice like their parent does? Doesn't a parent hear their child's voice with a more discerning ear? It was in reference to a statement Gregory had made about all things being equal. I would like to hear your children's laughter but I never will hear it the same as you experience the sound. I believe it sounds unusually sweet to you. As a future jailbird has said, "That's a good thing".
So the question is, if your child's voice sounds particularly sweet to your ears is that wrong? Does that mean it doesn't represent fidelity to the source since you are not hearing what I hear? Or possibly you could phrase this; are you wrong to hear the sweetness of your child's voice? Well, it doesn't take a scientist to figure that one out, does it?
If, then, tubes have a sweetness that sounds particularly right to you does that mean you are just not hearing the reality of the source? That's a position for someone else's reality, eh, Kegger?
Sorry to take your moment and turn it into a philosophical query , Rick, but that is part of this thread's reason for being, is it not?
Don't answer. Go play with your kids.
Ghia - look at it this way, in another twenty five years you'll be ready to trade your 6200 in on one of those pieces.
I'll be waiting for the pics. |
Silver Member Username: Myrantz
Post Number: 633
Registered: Aug-04
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| Posted on Sunday, September 12, 2004 - 06:36 pm: |
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Rick
Could the reasons be that your children's giggles and laughter are the sweetest sounds in the world are twofold (LOL):
(a) unconditional parental love
(b) that you hear them in surround
Ghia
Don't take me too seriously. Although I don't favour country music per se doesn't mean there's some I don't appreciate or (heaven forbid) even like. And this goes for most genres of course.
John A
"The audiopaths are on the MP3 threads, surely?"
No, they are the audiophrenics I think! Well, perhaps the answer lies who hears voices and who hears music in their heads when no source is evident.
Or maybe we should be discussing the psychy of the para-audio Mac/stereo zealots.
Jan,
Maybe you should have called this thread "Once an old dog - always an old dog," or "You can't teach an old dog new tricks," or even, "An old dog never changes it's spots,"
Or perhaps, "let sleeping old dogs lie!"
BTW I enjoyed the Mac clinic story immensely. What ever happened customer satisfaction as a priority?
All,
Did some serious listening on the weekend comparing qualtiy stereo cd's to hi-res surround recordings. The latter won hands down. Of course there was no Mac or spendors in the mix and if they could have changed the result then that could be a bit scary - a para-audio experience no doubt!
I recall a year or two back seeing a Mac amp in the audio section of a chain store (the price tag was about $5500). It was this huge thing all lit up like a xmas tree and it kind of reminded me of those old cars: what we (non Americans) refer to as those 'yank tanks' - the huge old gas guzzling relics from decades past. It seemed an oddity sitting there on the shelves with all the other audio brands - think sleek clean lines of the european or Japenese autos by comaprison.
But, the ride in those 'yank tanks' was unsurpassed. It was like you were floating, I know because I had one. So maybe there's a message in this?
Kegger
Maybe you are the one who's about to hit upon the ultimate sound: hi-res surround with a tube amp driving each channel. An interesting quest.
Just like this thread: it just keeps getting interestinger and interestinger :-)
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Silver Member Username: Rick_b
New York
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Post Number: 447
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| Posted on Sunday, September 12, 2004 - 06:59 pm: |
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Rantz,
No arguement on point (A)
As to point (B) I have 2 girls, so I definitely hear them in 2 channel stereo. Especially when they both want something. (LOL!)
As to your comment to Jan, all I can say is...............................WOOF!
Cheers! |
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| Posted on Monday, September 13, 2004 - 12:50 am: |
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Rantz - The Mac look is anachronistic but, and I'll leave it up to Rick and Ghia to say whether I'm right here, there is nothing in the audio world that looks better when the lights are out, the music is playing and the soft glow of the Mac is lighting the room. I'll leave it to Ghia to post some pics when the new amp arrives. As Marc C. put it a great big grinning Cheshire Cat (with a lot of style). While the Japanese companies change every year the Mac look is classic and that adds to the value. When your twenty five year old amp looks like it just came from the factory and the new gear looks just like your old gear - it works. It doesn't encourage Mac owners to change their equipment every few years but Mac has obviously survived with new customers. Mac owners used to look at the new stuff when they were in the store for the clinics and walk away saying there was no need to change, what they owned was the same as what they could buy and it was hard to argue the point too far. Even Davey O'Brian didn't push on that point. |
Silver Member Username: Myrantz
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| Posted on Monday, September 13, 2004 - 01:40 am: |
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Jan - I don't doubt that you're right at all. And I can relate to all you just stated. I'm just glad there aren't any around here now that I can be tempted to listen to - if permitted. Which would be doubtful! |
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| Posted on Monday, September 13, 2004 - 07:17 am: |
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Aw thanks guys! Appreciate the warm welcome. Wouldn't be here if J.Vigne hadn't grabbed me by the ear from Integrateds. I knew you were all hiding somewhere...
J.Vigne,
Thanks very much and glad to be here. Was tired of hearing about cables and NAD's. (There is more to audio-life, yes?)
Ghia,
Thanks very much and pleased to meet you. My guess is plugging in an Arcam or NAD that took such a blow would knock out power for your entire block. But that's just a guess.
My Rantz,
Uuuuhhhnnnggg!! I can't escape! Thank you for the warning though and see your point. So far I've seen a mohair amp, one smashed MAC that looks like a deranged jack-o-lantern, lithium, Folsom Prison, pebbles, grasshoppers, tubes, tube-surround, and old crazy, drunk audiophiles who bark. I feel so at home here...
Rick B,
Thanks much. Can I be open to ideas and stubborn at the same time?
John A,
Thank you and yes, you may recall where I stand on 2 channel and surround.
Might as well get a few things out on the table.
1. I don't like surround, and nobody can make me (John A gave me a talking to some time back, but recognized basically that I'm a young old fogey and sympathized).
2. I will never buy a subwoofer.
3. Upgraditis happens to other people - it can never happen to me. When I buy my system I will stick with it....forever....I swear....
There...I said it.
Speaking of Peter Gabriel, must tell my favorite CD. His soundtrack for the movie "Last Temptation of Christ" entitled "Passion" (not to be confused with recent movie) is an incredible recording I hold sacred (no pun). Best at night, lights dimmed. Strange yet beautiful, I felt it was better than the movie itself. Not too loud as it can be quite dynamic. Would love to hear what you guys think of that one should you get the chance.
Cheers!
(What sound does a grasshopper make?) |
Silver Member Username: Rick_b
New York
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Post Number: 449
Registered: Dec-03
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| Posted on Monday, September 13, 2004 - 09:38 am: |
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Marc C,
YES.........YOU CAN! |
Gold Member Username: Kegger
MICHIGAN
Post Number: 1491
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| Posted on Monday, September 13, 2004 - 10:23 am: |
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YO RICK!
"Kegger, I wish you could hear a pair of Spendors with those tubes. WOW!!"
you will more than likely hear it before me.
not knocking the spendors at all, i am very convinced they are excelent!
but i'm not a small monitor guy! i've tried/have
them and had many "smaller speakers" but i keep
coming back to large towers theirs just something
in the bass region and overall presence of the big
speaker that a monitor can't do and "I" need that
I crank my system from time to time and to me the
larger drivers 10" or bigger give me the grunt I
look for.
I think you would truly be amazed at how my system sounds!
running 3 amps per side 2 tubes doing most of the work
with a 12" bass driver in the cabinet running from about 60hz to 750hz
then a 10" sub running from 60hz on down with 400
watts of rotel powering it coming from the dbx 120a subwoofer procesor!
the combonation of getting the drivers on seperate amps
and modifying the tubes to accomodate their strength's and weakness
is a very difficult and time consuming procedure
but when your done
it's truly an experience!
To me my system lately is the best i've heard!
it can do everything and do it well!
if it sounds like i'm bragging i don't mean for it to!
just pointing out all the work i've done to get to
this point. "and money spent"
but it's what i like to do build things , and i've built
something allright!
the 2 things i've been striving for in my setup
was big loud speakers that sound great even low
while playing anything. also to have great 2channel
and surround out of the same setup and i've been
able to accomplish this. so right now i'm just
tweeking the final 2channel setup then seeing
what i have leftover to redo the surround.
..............................
Marc C
glad to have you aboard!
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Silver Member Username: Rick_b
New York
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Post Number: 450
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| Posted on Monday, September 13, 2004 - 11:43 am: |
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You go Kegger!
I would love to have a listen..........
Cheers! |
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| Posted on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 03:35 am: |
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Thanx Kegger! The honor is mine...
P.S. I think I might be with you on the full-range speaker preference... |
Silver Member Username: Ghiacabriolet
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Post Number: 373
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| Posted on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 09:28 am: |
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Jan wrote: "there is nothing in the audio world that looks better when the lights are out, the music is playing and the soft glow of the Mac is lighting the room.... the Mac look is classic and that adds to the value."
The soft glow of the Mac lights was another point I was going to discuss the other night but decided to hold back. Let's just say it provides romantic mood lighting.
Despite (or perhaps because of) all the damage, this "yank tank" clearly has superior build quality over most of the mid-fi amps that I've seen. And the classic looks add to the appeal. Most photos don't do the amp justice.
Will post shots of the "new" one once it arrives.
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Gold Member Username: Kegger
MICHIGAN
Post Number: 1492
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| Posted on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 10:14 am: |
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MARC C:
no need for someone to feal honored here!
we are just a big collection of audio fans, where
a few of us have recently mac'ed accross some
totally tubular/spenderous experiences!
and i'm sure it's just the beginning.
come one come all to the wonders of this side of
the forum. just listen or add whatever you feel like! |
Silver Member Username: Rick_b
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| Posted on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 10:53 am: |
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I would have to agree with Ghia on the Mac lights. I would call it retro-but it's not. Mac gear has always looked the same. The new stuff looks like the vintage stuff. I think that adds to the timeless appeal. To me the looks are just an added bonus. I go for sound quality first. Great gear is great gear, and Mac certainly is just that. |
Gold Member Username: Kegger
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| Posted on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 11:25 am: |
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well said rick i go for sound above all myself
but it's a nice little bonus when it looks cool.
and to me mac stuff looks better than any other
solidstate stuff. then you have the cool look of tubes!
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Silver Member Username: Myrantz
Post Number: 646
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| Posted on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 11:26 am: |
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Now you listen here Mac! We've gotta lava lamp on our audio rack - now that's not only retro, but romantic to boot! We turn the lights down low and those soft floating shapes dance with the music as we sit hypnotised by sound and light and soon there's the almost silent swoosh of soft fabric shifting and suddenly something in the room changes. Eyes meet, hands begin to explore, the music builds and then the bleeding phone rings!
It's the mother-in-law again! |
Gold Member Username: Kegger
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| Posted on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 11:35 am: |
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lol! |
Silver Member Username: Rick_b
New York
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| Posted on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 11:52 am: |
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Excellent Rantz!
Do you have your moon rocks collection right next to the lava lamp? |
J. Vigne Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 12:05 pm: |
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Here's an old dog question on how something looks.
You're driving down the highway and coming in the opposite direction you see two cars that will pass you in a few seconds. Those two cars are a red 2004 Corvette and a red 1969 Mustang Mach I fully restored. Which one are you going to look at?
You're allowed to substitute for the Mustang a '66 Jaguar XKE, a '65 GTO convertible, a '57 Chevy two door with pearl side panels, etc. Just no '67 Mavericks, please. Classic looks are just fine with me. |
Silver Member Username: Rick_b
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| Posted on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 12:19 pm: |
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Make mine a 1955 Porsche Speedster in classic red please.......Mr. Vigne. |
Gold Member Username: Kegger
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| Posted on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 12:31 pm: |
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make mine a 67 firebird 400 ram air 4 speed!
or 68 vette! 427 1050 holley dominator 4 speed 411 gear!
had the firebird but would oogle over the vette!
and of course both would have to have hooker headers with the vette
having factory sidepipes!
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Gold Member Username: John_a
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| Posted on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 01:15 pm: |
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If I could afford a McIntosh amp, I would have to do something about the Gothic script.
A '63 3.8 "E-type" (XKE) coupé, please. It had fared-in headlights. US safety regulations later decreed the farings would absorb light, Jaguar took them away, and it took abour 10 mph off the top speed (was 150) and increased fuel consumption, not to mention spoiled the lines. You may have a fine Spendor and Mac system, Rick, but I'd trade in that Porsche...
MR, I am with you all the way about amps, but have serious reservations about that lava lamp. I also recommend an answering machine for such moments as you describe...
Have just bought about 12 LPs, seemingly in mint condition, average price about €6 each. Will count them, play them, and report back next week, perhaps under Discoveries. Three were Pink Floyd (Animals, Ummagumma and The Wall) - you there, Sem? Also a Chris Barber double, inc the Lonnie Donegan skiffle group. Also some Aaron Copland (double; NY Phil I think, conducted by Bernstein), Bach, Mozart, and yet another complete Beethoven middle quartets (Melos Qt. of Stuttgart). Must go. Have to get up early tomorrow to catch train to Frankfurt, for flight to London and last leg. Must also buckle down to Powerpoint, and not read LP sleeves. All the best, folks. |
Gold Member Username: John_a
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| Posted on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 01:17 pm: |
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PS with overdrive. |
Gold Member Username: Kegger
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| Posted on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 02:20 pm: |
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john my favorite pink floyd album is animals!
and my favorite song on that album is (pigs 3 different ones) |
Silver Member Username: Ghiacabriolet
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| Posted on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 03:18 pm: |
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Make mine a 1969 Karmann Ghia Cabriolet (just like the one I can never seem to finish.) Failing that, a Porsche Speedster would do nicely.
Mac Settlement update: Seller agreed to $600 settlement (and he files claim with UPS) and said send Paypal invoice, which I did. Get email today that he is waiting to hear from eBay in regards to handling this type of situation so the settlement can be done in accordance with their guidelines. What do you think of this development? Is he posturing to get out of this? Since a bid is considered a contract, would the verbiage in his advertisement promising satisfaction or a refund also be contractually binding? I have a feeling I may need to be contacting my credit card company and maybe eBay too. |
Silver Member Username: Ghiacabriolet
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Registered: Apr-04
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| Posted on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 03:52 pm: |
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Called the CC company today and they have started the dispute process. They will send a letter with information they will need to have in order to pursue this. If the seller doesn't complete the damage settlement by the end of the week, I will let the credit card company handle it.
Fortunately, everything we have discussed in regards to the damage and the seller's agreements (i.e. don't return amp, will pay settlement, etc) has been done via email so I have a paper trail. |
J. Vigne Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 03:52 pm: |
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He may just be covering his bases also, trying to come out as well on the deal as possible and trying to be an upright kind of guy with eBay. But, maybe not. I think contacting eBay and your card company is a good idea. I would think a contract has been made in several cases here but it may cost you money to get it resolved if he weenies out. |
Gold Member Username: Kegger
MICHIGAN
Post Number: 1499
Registered: Dec-03
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| Posted on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 03:53 pm: |
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me personally i would wait to hear from sellar first.
then if he tries to squeeze out i would contact ebay! |
J. Vigne Unregistered guest |
| Posted on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 03:55 pm: |
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Rick - Can't look at a Speedster and not think about James Dean, it spoils a great car for me. |
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