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Gold Member Username: Kegger
MICHIGAN
Post Number: 1348 Registered: Dec-03
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| Posted on Monday, August 30, 2004 - 02:47 am: |
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yes i know it should be outside 2 jan! but that means 3 sets of binding posts. and 3 seperate xovers! this is good enough for now. |
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Gold Member Username: Kegger
MICHIGAN
Post Number: 1349 Registered: Dec-03
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| Posted on Monday, August 30, 2004 - 02:49 am: |
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can u tell i just got a digital camera? sorry for all the pic's but i can't stop! |
   
Silver Member Username: Myrantz
Post Number: 594 Registered: Aug-04
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| Posted on Monday, August 30, 2004 - 02:59 am: |
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Kegger, It's okay to get some sleep. Freddy is dead. Really, it's safe! |
   
Gold Member Username: Kegger
MICHIGAN
Post Number: 1350 Registered: Dec-03
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| Posted on Monday, August 30, 2004 - 03:02 am: |
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arnold i didn't forget about your experiment. yes you can find monoblock plans and even mono block amps allready together. or ones needing rebuilding. there are a ton of them on audiogon. jan may be able to point you in the right direction as which ones might make good candidates. like i said personally i like to take ones that were considered pretty good then rebuild/upgrade them and make them something special. because for me the difficult thing is the chassis and the transformers. so i go with units that have all the parts then replace what i think should/need to be to bring them upto todays standards. |
   
Gold Member Username: Kegger
MICHIGAN
Post Number: 1351 Registered: Dec-03
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| Posted on Monday, August 30, 2004 - 03:05 am: |
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rantz lol. I know, i usually get to bed about 4:00 a.m. these days! gotta stop that! well i think i'm done for the night! see yu all. |
   
Silver Member Username: Myrantz
Post Number: 595 Registered: Aug-04
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| Posted on Monday, August 30, 2004 - 03:15 am: |
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Sweet Dreams! Good pics, hope all your work results in the sound you're looking for. If not, should look pretty anyway.  |
   
Gold Member Username: Kegger
MICHIGAN
Post Number: 1362 Registered: Dec-03
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| Posted on Monday, August 30, 2004 - 10:59 am: |
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yes I hope the sound improves also, will find out tonight hopefully. |
   
Silver Member Username: Arnold_layne
Madrid Spain
Post Number: 123 Registered: Jun-04
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| Posted on Monday, August 30, 2004 - 06:33 pm: |
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Yeah, I think there are many obstacles when building from scratch. Almost imperative to copy a design. And after buying components, marking it all up for precision drilling. Lots of tools purchase too. Anyway, by now I'll stick to speaker upgrade. Medium term project, Mrs. Layne has set non-audio furniture high priority. Cheers AL |
   
Silver Member Username: Ghiacabriolet
NC
Post Number: 318 Registered: Apr-04
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| Posted on Sunday, September 05, 2004 - 09:11 am: |
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Here's an interesting article regarding the recording process of a multichannel project: Why Surround Me with All this Sound? It might get this thread back on topic. :-) |
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Gold Member Username: Kegger
MICHIGAN
Post Number: 1395 Registered: Dec-03
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| Posted on Sunday, September 05, 2004 - 09:20 am: |
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GHIA YOUR UP AWFULLY EARLY! well i'm off to the other side of the state for my second fantasy football draft. wish me luck. ghia how's your team. |
   
Silver Member Username: Ghiacabriolet
NC
Post Number: 320 Registered: Apr-04
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| Posted on Sunday, September 05, 2004 - 09:55 am: |
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Kegger, The early bird gets the worm. Go to Discoveries to see my team. :-) Good luck! |
   
Gold Member Username: John_a
Post Number: 2056 Registered: Dec-03
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| Posted on Sunday, September 05, 2004 - 10:30 am: |
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This Old Dog has just tried a very New Trick. It worked first time. An Apple Airport Express Base Station receives and transmits to extend a domestic wireless computer network. It has an audio-output socket. Into it fits either a TOS-link optical cable or an analogue mini-jack. I have tried the mini-jack. The Base Station receives a digital stream from a computer with a WiFi card (I have an Airport card) playing a CD, or playing files (.aiff, mp3, aac, whatever) saved to disc. The sound quality is not obviously different from that obtained by playing a CD in a CD player. I will listen more carefully. I have not tried the TOS-link output; I will be interested to compare that, too. The DAC in the Base Station is obviously not bad. Maybe it is the same as in an iPod. Anyway, I have applied my iPod Mahler test and the sound from the Bass station is just as good as with an iPod, which is as good (or very close) as with a CD player. It is strange getting sound with no disc playing anywhere, and the source computer upstairs and on the other side of the house. Or anywhere you like, if it is a laptop. Surely this is what the industry sees around the corner. If you value convenience it is irresistible. If you value sound quality it seems fine, too. If you are happy with CD. iTunes files ("Songs") are aac, and lower resolution than CD's aiff. But you can save full-sized CD files to disc. A CD takes up about 650 MB. So you could get 100 CDs on the sort of hard disc found in modern desktop and laptop computers. A server will carry more. I cannot quite get my head around what all this means, and, as usual, my family think I am slightly unhinged, but I cannot see so many people buying any sort of disc in ten years' time. When you can download, or "rip", hi-res audio files, then surely buying discs is going to have less appeal. I still rate my LP turntable as the best source, and like LP sleeves etc. But I can digitize and store my LPs. The files will never degrade. I can play them anytime on any HiFi that will accept the standard input from the Bass Station. Surely this is the real revolution? DVD-A still gives better sound by far than CD. But there is no reason why all this cannot be done with DVD-A, too: it is just a question of bandwidth. WIth SACD-DSD, however, (and thanks for the link, Ghia), there are serious obstacles to reading and writing files. As I have said before, I think this is the SACD hidden agenda. That's about it. [Retires, scratching head]. |
   
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| Posted on Monday, September 06, 2004 - 02:29 am: |
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good reply mobile phone accessories china |
   
Gold Member Username: John_a
Post Number: 2062 Registered: Dec-03
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| Posted on Monday, September 06, 2004 - 12:03 pm: |
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Just to save others the trouble, that last post was an advertisement. |
   
Silver Member Username: Myrantz
Post Number: 612 Registered: Aug-04
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| Posted on Monday, September 06, 2004 - 12:22 pm: |
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He's been placing these ads all over the forum! Now why haven't I thought of that! |
   
Silver Member Username: Sem
New York
USA
Post Number: 240 Registered: Mar-04
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| Posted on Monday, September 06, 2004 - 12:44 pm: |
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Thanks. I figured that's what it was. I never bothered to check though. |
   
Silver Member Username: Ghiacabriolet
NC
Post Number: 324 Registered: Apr-04
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| Posted on Tuesday, September 07, 2004 - 05:51 pm: |
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Well, the McIntosh came in today. I haven't opened it yet but glass shards are falling out of the crevices of the box.....on hold with UPS right now. More later. Damn. |
   
Silver Member Username: Myrantz
Post Number: 617 Registered: Aug-04
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| Posted on Tuesday, September 07, 2004 - 05:56 pm: |
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Ghia - you must be shattered too! Unbelievable! |
   
Silver Member Username: Ghiacabriolet
NC
Post Number: 325 Registered: Apr-04
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| Posted on Tuesday, September 07, 2004 - 06:22 pm: |
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The unbelievable thing is the shipper didn't double-box an item like this. I bought it off eBay so I may end up losing $700+ shipping on this deal. I know there are companies like Audio Classics that can repair amps and maybe can replace the glass front. What are the thoughts about this? Should I keep the amp, file a claim with UPS and try to get it repaired? Or should I pursue getting a full refund from the seller and return it to him? I'm inclined to do that since I don't know the full extent of the damage. The glass face is clearly beyond repair but what about the rest? If I knew I could get a replacement glass and nothing else was wrong with it, I'd keep it. For those that know about the innards of Mac's, what else should I be concerned about? I'll post pictures shortly. |
   
Gold Member Username: Kegger
MICHIGAN
Post Number: 1420 Registered: Dec-03
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| Posted on Tuesday, September 07, 2004 - 06:57 pm: |
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ghia was it ups insured? if so take pictures and get the cash then clean out the glass and try the thing. it's probably only the glass. even if you don't have ups insurance i would try. if ups does nothing i would try and get my money back from sellar. or possably a couple hundred back from sellar if the unit works and it's just the glass. now those are just some of my ideas! i feel for yu ghia. darnit! |
   
Silver Member Username: Sem
New York
USA
Post Number: 241 Registered: Mar-04
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| Posted on Tuesday, September 07, 2004 - 06:58 pm: |
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Ghia, So sorry to hear of your misfortune. Why it wasn't double-boxed is beyond me. That's just plain ridiculous. I have no idea if its worth fixing, but, should you decide to have it repaired, I can speak for Audio Classics. They're about 10 minutes from my house and have a great reputation. They have one or two retired McIntosh Engineers on staff, (McIntosh Labs is also local to me), and they repair and ship all over the world. Best of luck with whatever you decide to do. |
   
Gold Member Username: Kegger
MICHIGAN
Post Number: 1421 Registered: Dec-03
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| Posted on Tuesday, September 07, 2004 - 07:00 pm: |
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definatly make the ups claim though. you may get the cash and keep a working unit that needs glass! |
   
Gold Member Username: Kegger
MICHIGAN
Post Number: 1422 Registered: Dec-03
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| Posted on Tuesday, September 07, 2004 - 07:03 pm: |
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to me my last post would be the best scinereo! and maybe a blessing in disguise. IF YOU CAN LOOK AT IT THAT WAY! not trying to make lite of this situation but who knows you might get lucky and get a free amp! |
   
Silver Member Username: Ghiacabriolet
NC
Post Number: 326 Registered: Apr-04
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| Posted on Tuesday, September 07, 2004 - 07:13 pm: |
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I plugged it in and found that it works. In fact, it sounds so great that it would be my "desert island" amp in its current condition - even if given the choice of taking it or the NAD T763. It sounds so great, that my new mission is to make sure I have a McIntosh amp. I'm that certain this soon. And, that's after listening to it through Energy satellite speakers without a sub using an iPod as the source (what about that synerygy McIntosh amp + MacIntosh iPod). Unbelieveable. Despite the working condition, I have concerns. Not only is the glass face broken but the plastic piece behind it is too. Also, the Mode Selector and Volume controls appear to be bent. They are functional but still bent. I'll upload pics shortly. Would appreciate advice or feedback. Thanks! |
   
Gold Member Username: Kegger
MICHIGAN
Post Number: 1424 Registered: Dec-03
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| Posted on Tuesday, September 07, 2004 - 07:17 pm: |
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i still say! "definatly make the ups claim though. you may get the cash and keep a working unit that needs glass!" if they give you the cash i'm sure you can straighten the knobs and replace the glass plus the plastic without to much trouble. at least that is what i would do! |
   
Silver Member Username: Ghiacabriolet
NC
Post Number: 327 Registered: Apr-04
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| Posted on Tuesday, September 07, 2004 - 07:21 pm: |
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Here's a shot right after coming out of the box:
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Silver Member Username: Ghiacabriolet
NC
Post Number: 328 Registered: Apr-04
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| Posted on Tuesday, September 07, 2004 - 07:28 pm: |
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Thanks, Kegger. I've already called UPS and they said a claim could be filed - but, because it has been delivered only moments before, the delivery wasn't in their system yet and I have to call them back. I'm not sure if it was insured or not - it cost $43 to ship. If they are willing to settle for a reasonable price, I'll file the claim and keep it and try for the repairs. If not, then I'll work with the seller to either get a refund or get reimbursement for the repair cost. I'll contact Audio Classics to find out about the repair and whether those bent controls are an issue. You can see from the above picture how the controls on the right seem to recede into the cabinet. I have another shot to upload that is taken from the top view and you can see they are clearly bent. Maybe the chassis is bent too. |
   
Silver Member Username: Ghiacabriolet
NC
Post Number: 329 Registered: Apr-04
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| Posted on Tuesday, September 07, 2004 - 07:30 pm: |
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Here's a shot of the knobs:
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Silver Member Username: Ghiacabriolet
NC
Post Number: 330 Registered: Apr-04
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| Posted on Tuesday, September 07, 2004 - 07:32 pm: |
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Here's a "shot in the dark"
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Silver Member Username: Rick_b
New York
USA
Post Number: 433 Registered: Dec-03
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| Posted on Tuesday, September 07, 2004 - 07:40 pm: |
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Ghia, I am truly sad looking at the photo of your Mac. Please take a deep breath and stay calm. I would call Audio Classics and try to get a ballpark estimate to repair the damage. I know a new front glass faceplate runs around $200. If the insurance covers the damage with shipping costs, I would have it done. As long as Audio Classics has the unit, I would have them clean it and check it out. A sort of tune up-for lack of a better phrase. Keep in mind I live in the New York area, so if I can help let me know. |
   
Silver Member Username: Ghiacabriolet
NC
Post Number: 331 Registered: Apr-04
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| Posted on Tuesday, September 07, 2004 - 07:53 pm: |
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Thanks, Rick. I'm more saddened and disappointed than upset. This is a minor bump. My goal is to get the amp restored to a suitable condition without having to incur too much of the cost. If I can do that, I'll be happy. Thanks, guys. |
   
Silver Member Username: Ghiacabriolet
NC
Post Number: 332 Registered: Apr-04
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| Posted on Tuesday, September 07, 2004 - 08:01 pm: |
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No insurance. UPS will only cover $100. That was stupid of me not to verify whether it had been insured and whether it was being double-boxed. |
   
Silver Member Username: Ghiacabriolet
NC
Post Number: 333 Registered: Apr-04
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| Posted on Tuesday, September 07, 2004 - 08:56 pm: |
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I sent an email to Audio Classics with pics requesting feedback and estimates. Also, sent an email to the seller letting him know what is going on. So far, he has not responded. Not only was it not double-boxed but he packed the amp in the box the original walnut cabinet came in. No other packing materials, nothing. I'm not even sure that box is strong enough for the weight of the full amp. So, this amp came from California to NC in the walnut cabinet box with no other packing materials. But, he did put a "Fragile - Glass" sticker on it. Nice touch, eh? |
   
Gold Member Username: Kegger
MICHIGAN
Post Number: 1426 Registered: Dec-03
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| Posted on Tuesday, September 07, 2004 - 11:28 pm: |
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ghia what's the feedback like from the person you got the amp from? do they have at least 300 and 98% if so they are probably respectable ebayers and will want to make restatution. after trying them and get nowwhere i would contact ebay. I would give the sellar a couple days to respond before contacting ebay. and mention to them it was shipped in the box for the walnut case and not the amp. remember to keep your cool, if you get to agressive you'll be shotdown. I think ebay has some insurance also. so if you could get the $100 from ups and maybe $300 from ebay then a couple hundred from the sellar that might do it. |
   
Gold Member Username: Kegger
MICHIGAN
Post Number: 1427 Registered: Dec-03
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| Posted on Tuesday, September 07, 2004 - 11:30 pm: |
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just a thought! |
   
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Ghia - Just curious, what did the UPS delivery person do when glass started falling out of the package? Act like they didn't see it? I've never dealt with Ebay, do they have any recourse other than flagging the seller as a stupid jerk? Is there any way you can stop payment? The face plate and backing piece of plastic should run in the $300 range. They are pieces that need to be replaced by a tech who knows how to accomplish this without breaking the new faceplate. (It's not easy, I broke one trying to install the glass once. It's the feeling of wrecking your new car as you pull out of the dealer's lot.) The knobs are probably $75+ now days. The bigger problem is why are they bent. Though the seller did a lousy job of packing the unit in a box that is not sufficient for the weight of the amp a Mac has to take a pretty good blow to bend the knobs like that. As an example of how rugged a Mac is, the Grateful Dead travelled with Mac MC2300's as their road system. These are amps that are meant to take some rough handling and still work perfectly. As you can tell the working perfectly part is true but the abuse is a serious issue from what your photos show. The chrome trim pieces appear scratched as if the amp was dropped and took the brunt of the fall on one side. I would check with McIntosh to see if they can give you an estimate and possibly direct you to a Mac repair shop in your area. There may still be a Mac dealer with a shop though they are a vanishing breed. Audio Classics is a fine repair center also but I would give Mac a call. Ask about possible damage to the circuit boards from a fall that would do that kind of damage. My guess would be the boards survived without damage (Mac uses a substantial chasis and the front panel is about 12 gauge steel) but there may be solder joints that could give you trouble down the road. Check to see if the Panlocks on the case still work. Push in on the two buttons at the front bottom and you should feel them disengage. At that point the amp will slide forward a few inches and come to a stop. Reach around on each side and there are spring tabs that secure the amp in the case. Push these in and you should be able to slide the amp all the way out of the case. To put the amp back in the case you slide it in the cabinet till the springs catch, then push in the PanLocks and slide it the rest of the way in until you hear it click and it doesn't slide forward anymore. I'm very sorry you are having these problems. It certainly spoils the idea of having a "new" piece of McIntosh. But, as you have already found out, the Mac is a great piece of equipment. After you listen to how it makes music for a few weeks you will not want to listen to the NAD. Nothing against NAD, I have owned several and have one as my HT processor now, but they sound incomplete when you are used to McIntosh sound. Good luck with the repairs. |
   
Gold Member Username: John_a
Post Number: 2072 Registered: Dec-03
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| Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 12:22 am: |
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Ghia, Just to say sorry to hear this. I was going to suggest, as Jan did, you contact McIntosh, and ask their advice. It seems like a company that continues to take an interest even after re-sale. I read a lot here about E-Bay but have no experience of it, and I don't think I want to. I am not sure who is liable. But surely it cannot be you. I would predict a dispute between the seller and the delivery service. I am with Kegger, too. A properly repaired amp like that will be as good as new. If the cost of repair is less than the value of the item then it may be a blessing in disguise. I once had a car which was an write-off only because the garage knew they could name any price they liked to fix it. Unfortunately I had no alternative, they had a monopoly. I don't think that will apply in this case. There are skilled electronics workshops around everywhere. There is nothing in an amp that cannot be fixed. The cost will be parts and labour. |
   
Gold Member Username: Kegger
MICHIGAN
Post Number: 1429 Registered: Dec-03
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| Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 01:32 am: |
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well i am an ebay backer, i use it all the time and have purchased over 200 things from their. they are very concerned with anything bad that could arise from doing buisiness on there site. first you try to settle a complaint with the sellar then if you have to get ebay involded do so. I have found many excelent deals on ebay. I allways look to ebay or audiogon for hifi. with little to no worry about my purchase. and so far so good excelent stuff with great prices. |
   
Gold Member Username: John_a
Post Number: 2074 Registered: Dec-03
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| Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 02:49 am: |
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Thanks, Kegger. That is good to know. E-bay is a new "new trick" for this old dog. |
   
Silver Member Username: Ghiacabriolet
NC
Post Number: 335 Registered: Apr-04
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| Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 07:32 am: |
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Jan, Kegger, JohnA, Thank you for the feedback. Here's the little I know. I had to make payment before the item shipped and did so through Paypal using a credit card. I will check with the credit card company to see if they offer any remedy. The UPS driver put the package inside my door and left very quickly. I had to call out to him and ask whether there was anything to sign. He said no. I then went to pick up the box and heard a "rattling" sound. I knew that couldn't be good. I placed the box up on its side to try to get a better angle to pick it up and saw some glass fall out of the box. At that point, I ran after the UPS truck and told the driver I thought the item was damaged. He said I should call UPS and file a claim. I called them twice last night and they said the delivery had not been updated in their system and the claim can't be filed until the delivery shows up. I will call later this morning and try again. The box that was used in shipping is the original box for the walnut case. The buyer had taped the top flaps closed and they were secure. The glass was falling out of the bottom at one flap which was partially open where the box had broken loose from the staple (the original staple in the box's construction. Inside the box, there was no other packing. No foam inserts, nothing to cushion the weight of the amp. Just cardboard. I'm sorry but it should only take a small amount of logic to understand that a 50lb amp with glass components will break during a cross-country shipping if there are no packing materials to cushion it. It is a damn shame because this amp was otherwise flawless before shipping. Audio Classics would probably grade this as B1 minimum. They currently have an MA6200 graded C1 for sale for $1099 sans walnut cabinet. I paid $703+ shipping for this one with walnut cabinet so I guess a $300 repair job would keep me within the market value of an amp like this. I will be contacting eBay today (still no response from seller - he should have gotten my email around 4pm his time yesterday). His ad stated the following: Seller's payment instructions & return policy: I guarentee your satisfaction or return the item and I will refund your money less shipping costs. We'll see about that. He only has 2 feedbacks, both positive. One as a buyer and one as a seller. He's not a dealer. My eBay experience has been mostly positive. If the seller takes responsibility for his shoddy packing (which I believe is responsible for the damage more so than the UPS's handling) then I'll be satisfied. I don't know how much eBay will assist in this. Most of the remedy info on their site is based on buying something and never receiving it or if the item is not as advertised. I haven't found anything about shipping damages. I'm also not sure who's responsibility it is to insure the package during shipping. Is it my fault for not specifically requesting it? Regardless, if it had been properly packed, it would not have gotten damaged. Sorry to go on about this. I think I'm more depressed about this today probably due to not getting a good night's sleep. |
   
Silver Member Username: Ghiacabriolet
NC
Post Number: 336 Registered: Apr-04
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| Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 07:37 am: |
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Here's a photo of the amp in the box BEFORE it was shipped. This is from the eBay ad and I believe the seller was wanting to show the "original box". What you see is exactly how it was shipped.
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Silver Member Username: Ghiacabriolet
NC
Post Number: 337 Registered: Apr-04
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| Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 07:52 am: |
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Jan, Thanks for the information. I will also contact McIntosh today. I will try to slide the amp out per your instructions. Should I go ahead and take the remaining glass out? I believe this amp was dropped on the right side as you indicated. This likely happened during shipping but the damage could have been prevented if proper packing had been done. Here's a pic of the amp from the eBay ad. There doesn't appear to be any damage to it. Here's another shot of the box before shipping. It clearly states "equipment cabinet" not "integrated amplifier". However, I just noticed the "Glass" sticker on the box so that would have been on there before the seller shipped it to me. I wonder if it had, in fact, been used as a shipping box before? That adds a little twist to this.

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Silver Member Username: Ghiacabriolet
NC
Post Number: 338 Registered: Apr-04
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| Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 10:53 am: |
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Audio Classics estimates $200 to replace glass/panel plus $300-400 in repair charges. By the time you add in shipping to/from them, this will exceed the amount I paid on eBay and would put the total cost around $1400 (including the original purchase cost). I will check with McIntosh and get another company reference and quote. If it comes in at that price, this amp will likely be going back to the seller. |
   
Gold Member Username: Kegger
MICHIGAN
Post Number: 1430 Registered: Dec-03
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| Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 11:07 am: |
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ghia my oppinion would be if it costs you more than the original amount you paid on ebay it would be going back to seller! |
   
Silver Member Username: Ghiacabriolet
NC
Post Number: 339 Registered: Apr-04
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| Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 12:11 pm: |
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Kegger, I agree. Fortunately, the seller did contact me this morning and appears to be genuinely upset and willing to work with me. I haven't told him yet how much the repairs will cost. I'm getting another quote on the repair cost to see if it is as expensive as what Audio Classics quoted. |
   
Silver Member Username: Ghiacabriolet
NC
Post Number: 340 Registered: Apr-04
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| Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 12:22 pm: |
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Actually, Audio Classics has an MA 6200 without the walnut cabinet (which is valued around $200) selling for $1099. So, it looks like market value with cabinet might be in the $1300 range. Maybe getting it repaired isn't such a bad deal - but, seller will probably not want to make up that much difference since it equals total cost of the amp. |
   
Gold Member Username: Kegger
MICHIGAN
Post Number: 1431 Registered: Dec-03
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| Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 12:43 pm: |
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ghia i know you put it on the other thread but i wanted to catch you. {RB FROM ST LOUIS) lamar gordon just got picked up by miami. i just put him on my roster might be a stud in disguise get him if you can! NOW! |
   
J. Vigne Unregistered guest |
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Ghia - I would try to take the amp out of the cabinet to check for damage to the chasis. If it slides easily the chasis is probably OK. (Don't be concerned if you have trouble getting the PanLocks to work, they are something that requires practice to make work smoothly. Will they release and lock properly is what you want to know. If the amp will not slide in the tracks you have a problem.) The owner's manual should give more complete instructions on how to work the PanLocks. My guess would be the "Glass" sticker was probably used for a short trip, maybe moving from house to house, not a trip across thousands of miles. As you have indicated the box for the cabinet was not constructed to accomodate the weight of anything more than the cabinet itself. Mac did double box all of their equipment that weighed more than a few pounds, such as the cabinet. The seller was dishonest in representing the cabinet box as original shipping materials. And I'm certain UPS will tell you it is the ersponsibilty of the seller to provide insurance. The seller was a cheap SOB for not doing that small cost. I can't tell from the photos but the cabinet seemed to be in good shape when it was packed. If it is damaged you should include that in your repair costs. It is an expensive cabinet and adds to the look of the MA6200 and its resale. I would only remove any glass that is loose and might further damage the cabinet if you ship it for repair. Otherwise leave the big pieces intact and possibly tape over them to secure them during shipping. Some painter's masking tape will do fine without leaving marks or residue. Tightly wrap the unit in plastic to protect it if you ship it. As you gather information about repair costs and liability I would keep in mind the possibility of the damage to solder joints. It is difficult to assess right now but could become a |